#the doctor's plot

[kelluinox]

One day I will draw a venn diagram between Russian vatniks and pro hamas supporters

#this is coming from smb who's lived 20 years in russia #you wouldn't believe how similar these two groups sound #from the obsession with going back to some arbitrary point in history #denying the right of a country to exist denying the existence of a nation and a nationality #to dehumanizing a people and using that to rationalize comitting war crimes against them #“it's all evil zionists/the bad west/the west and its imperialism/colonies” mf it's like you watched a russian propaganda channel #and are now regurgitating all their talking points but replacing “Ukraine” with “Israel” and leaving “USA” as the world's biggest evil #I never thought I would hear this coming out of the mouths of westerners who claim to be more enlightened #but then again they're also reusing tropes from protocols of zion (first spread by imperial russia) #the doctor's plot #and so many other antisemitic tropes that originate from russia #“they bombed donbas for years” - “75 year old oppression” omg these are the same type of people and they don't realize it!!! #leftist antisemitism #antisemitism #ukraine #i/p

[little-alien-duck]

if I were doctor who showrunner I would instigate a policy that every season should have one episode where the stakes are so low. like the worst possible outcome is our characters are incredibly embarrassed, just some good low stakes shenanigans (pranks, good-natured competition, etc) however I would also instigate a policy wherein every season should have one episode that lacks violence entirely but is still so wildly fucked up and unsettling that you are afraid to go to sleep that night and haunted by it for years to come. these two episodes CAN be back to back. 

#the first ones would be like #if love and monsters or power of three or black orchid didn't have actual plots #and were instead just our characters fooling around #and the second category is like midnight #doctor who #dw

[goldenkid]

'there's something so bad the tardis ran away' as if the tardis doesn't run away all the time. like the tardis lands feels bad vibes and fucks off till the end of the episode. one time the tardis dematerialised because she didn't like a mermaid. the stakes do not have to be high

#doctor who #this is abt the 60th anniversary trailer btw #just made me giggle like the tardis will conveniently dematerialise every time the plot needs it to WHICH IS OFTEN #mermaid ep is curse of the black spot i hope i'm remembering it correctly

[luthqrs]

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#73 yards #i think about martha jones plot post probably every day #first thing in my head after 73 yards #doctor who #ruby sunday #fifteenth doctor #dw spoilers #doctor who spoilers #73 yards spoilers #sort of #luthqrsdw #luthqrs

[celestetcetera]

Wild Blue Yonder really emphasized the Doctor not knowing the answer, huh? He’s wrong about Donna 3/4 times, he doesn’t speak the alien language, he doesn’t know what the creatures are nor is he very familiar with the space they’ve landed in. Hell, he even has a line admitting he’s wrong often.

But you know what else this episode did? It emphasized Donna’s brilliance. She may think she’s stupid, but she’s sharp as hell. She’s the one who figures out the imposter after giving a Doctor-level tangential speech. She’s the one who’s able to clear her head. She asks the right questions— why are their doubles scaring them?

Her imposter thinks she’s dumb at first, but when no-thing Donna realizes the real one’s actually smart, that’s when she’s able to break through the salt spell. Unfortunately Donna being brilliant means her imposter must be too.

Anyway. Love the role reversal. But for it to come at a time when the Doctor is feeling lost and confused, when they’ve just discovered they don’t even know themselves— it probably stings. Because what are they if not the smart one? When you take away all they’ve learned of this universe, there’s nothing left.

#btw I think the timeless child plot is gonna be REAL important to the toymaker special #iirc the toymaker is from outside this universe like the doctor #so. imagine they have a few answers for the doc #but that’s just a theoryyyyyyy #doctor who #dw spoilers #wild blue yonder #the doctor #donna noble

[mizgnomer]

Interviewer: [Because there's a Doctor Who reference in Good Omens], does that mean David Tennant, the actor, exists in the Good Omens universe?

David Tennant and Michael Sheen discuss Doctor Who in the Good Omens Universe (and good Doctors)

Source [ comicbook.com ]

#good omens #david tennant #michael sheen #go2 #go2 spoilers #gos2 #gos2 spoilers #good omens 2 #doctor who #ineffable husbands #tagging for spoilers because i suppose this is one #even though I doubt it really gives away anything in the plot #but it is adorable #and michael can't pass up the opportunity to give david a hard time #bless them both #stuff i posted #doctor who and good omens #two loves of my life coming together #originally the videos weren't showing up for me due to my ad blockers #good omens spoilers

[jvlianbashir]

"the creator said in a reddit thread -" "the official twitter account posted that -" "the actors confirmed in a livestream that -"

i don't care and that's not real to me. put it in the text.

#for fun stuff like 'this character's favorite food is meatballs' im like cool but for worldbuilding and stuff? nah #i do understand some nuance with writers or w/e who were held back by corporate teams on confirming a character is gay or something #and wanting to talk about their hopes and intentions #but this is rly about the opposite with creative teams wanting the points for diversity or plot choices #or world building without putting it in the actual story #esp if its bc they just didn't want to piss off bigots or can't write well #sw giving backstory on the sith fleet situation in a TWEET will always be infamous to me #not st #doctor's log

[havesomewafflefrys]

The doctor, standing there, with a face of pure jealousy and discust, as he watched Rose pet a fucking cat. Will NEVER not be funny to me.

#fyp #fypage #tumblr fyp #fypシ #fypツ #doctor who #the doctor #10th doctor #doctor x rose #rose doctor who #dw memes #dw #i genuinly laughed so hard when i saw this scene #the doctors sad little “Oh..” when he relized Rose was calling the cat a beautiful boy and not him was so fucking funny XD #while im sure some of this reaction was because of the nun cats #lets be honest its mostly because he was jealous #he loked like he was plotting revenge twords that cat lmao

[bumblebeebats]

Must scifi be "good"? Is it not enough to watch David Tennant and Catherine Tate run about, yelling? and also a nonbinary transwoman is there?

#we are so back baby #i've tried so hard to get into prev new seasons of doctor who but it always felt like the plots were so.... Big. Convoluted 😭 #honestly an evil furby and some banter and some extremely on the nose but much appreciated representation is what im here for lmao #doctor who #doctor who spoilers #god it's been a while since i used that tag

[gotyouanyway]

something about the doctor doing his "do you get it" monologue to ruby who's already dead.. the companion as a tool, a vehicle for exposition, a body in the room for the doctor to talk to. that he NEEDS to talk to for the exposition to work

#i mean this in terms of plot devices not the doctor's in character feelings #although #mementomori.com/careers #p #dw #dw spoilers

[sparrowlucero]

Even if a creator is a bad person it's still okay to like their work. People need to mind their own business.

Honestly it's not really that sort of situation. I'll actively defend Steven Moffat here.

There was a huge hate movement for him back in the early 2010s - which, in retrospect, formed largely because he was running 2 of the superwholock shows at once, one of which went through extremely long hiatuses* and the other of which was functionally an adaptation of an already well regarded show**, making him subject to a sort of double ire in the eyes of a lot of fandom people. Notably, his co-showrunner, Mark Gatiss, is rarely mentioned and much of his work is still attributed to Moffat (and yes, this includes that Hbomberguy video. Several of "Steven Moffat's bad writing choices" were not actually written by him, they were Gatiss.)

People caricatured the dude into a sort of malicious, arrogant figure who hated women and was deliberately mismanaging these shows to spite fans, to the point where people who never watched them believe this via cultural osmosis. It became very common to take quotes from him out of context to make them look bad***, to cite him as an example of a showrunner who hated his fans, someone who sabotaged his own work just to get at said fans, someone who was too arrogant to take criticism, despite all of this being basically a collective "headcanon" formed on tumblr. Some if it got especially terrible, like lying about sexual assault (I don't mean people accused him of sexual assault and I think they're making it up, I mean people would say things like "many of his actresses have accused him of sexual assault on set" when no such accusations exist in the first place. This gets passed around en masse and is, in my opinion, absolutely rancid.)

On top of that a ton of the criticism directed at the shows themselves is, personally, just terrible media criticism. So much of it came from assuming a very hostile intent from the writer and just refusing to engage with the text at all past that.

Like some really common threads you see with critique of this writer's work, especially in regards to Doctor Who since that's the one I'm most familiar with:

A general belief that his lead characters were meant to be ever perfect self inserts, and so therefore when they act shitty or arrogant or flawed in any way, that's both reflective of the author and meant to be viewed as positive or aspirational.

An overarching thesis that his characters are "too important" in the narrative due to the writer's arrogance and self obsession

A lot of focus on the writer personally "attacking" the fans or making choices primarily out of spite.

A tendency to treat the show being different to what it's adapting as inherently bad and hostile towards the original

Just generally very little consideration of the themes, intent, etc.

This one's a little more nebulous and doesn't apply to all critique but a lot of it, especially recently, is clearly by people who haven't seen the show in like 10 years and their opinion is largely formed secondhand through like, "discourse nostalgia". Which. you know. bad.

I think these are just weird and nonsensical ways to engage with a work of fiction. I also think it's really sad to see the show boiled down to this because that era of who is, in my opinion, very thematically rich and unique among similar shows, and I hate that it's often dismissed in such a paltry way.

This isn't to say people aren't allowed to critique Steven Moffat or anything, but the context in which he basically became The Devil™ to a large portion of fandom and is still remembered in a poor light is very tied to this perfect storm of fan culture and I just don't agree with a ton of it.

* I'm sure most people have seen the way long running shows and hiatuses will cause people to fall out with a show, with some former fans turning around and joining a sort of "anti fandom" for it while it's still airing. That happened with both these shows. ** Doctor Who will change it's entire writing staff, crew, and cast every few years, and with that comes a change in style, tone, theme - the old show basically ends and is replaced by a new show under the same title. As Steven Moffat's era was the first of these handovers for the majority of audiences, you can imagine this wasn't a well loved move for many fans. *** I know for a fact most people have not sought out the sources for a lot of these quotes to check that they read the same in context because 1) most of them were deleted years ago and are very difficult to find now and 2) many of them do actually make sense in the context of their respective interviews

#and yeah i think the hbomberguy video is kind of bad #I can pull up examples but a lot of what he's saying is very rooted in this sort of critique #maybe most egregiously he sometimes just explains something very poorly or outright incorrectly to make it seem worse or more nonsensical #ex. saying a scene in doctor who 'steals a huge chunk of the plot' when it's less than 30 seconds long #saying two characters randomly start hanging out again while not mentioning the episode entirely dedicated to this #or the way her decision to keep hanging out with him is the emotional turning point of the entire season #etc etc etc.

[ace-whovian-neuroscientist]

next on doctor who: ruby steps on a sidewalk crack. they find her birth mother by searching for people with broken backs

#it's the 'making reality weird' thing AND the 'stepping on a plot device' thing. i see you rtd #doctor who #ruby sunday #fifteenth doctor #doctor who theory

[kitmarlowe]

"It’s really important, I think, in any era of Doctor Who, for the Doctor to have an emotional journey, to have an arc and go on a voyage of discovery through their time on the show. I always knew this was going to be the arc for Jodie’s Doctor."

CHRIS CHIBNALL ON THE TIMELESS CHILD

#doctor who #dwedit #jodie whittaker #thirteenth doctor #chibnalledit #chris chibnall #jo martin #fugitive doctor #ncuti gatwa #fifteenth doctor #william hartnell #first doctor #gif #ugh this is horrible :( but i wash my hands of it #happy 4 years of people misunderstanding this plot! astounding #flashing gif

[claraoswalds]

Utopia // Wild Blue Yonder

#dwedit #doctor who #usertennant #userteri #miatendos #tenth doctor #fourteenth doctor #donna noble #martha jones #jack harkness #* #midnight this midnight that let's talk abt UTOPIA /j #fr tho this is why wby is soooo good bc the setting is so utopia and the plot is so midnight and i love them both sm so it's perfect for me

[northernfireart]

"I'm the Doctor, I work in a shop now... I am here to help. Look, they gave me a badge with my name on it in case I forget who I am!!:D Very thoughtful, as that does happen."

#random eleven sketch #why is he like this is he acoustic #i dont really like the plot of his seasons but #his autistic energy is top notch #eleventh doctor #11th doctor #dw fanart #doctor who #doctor who fanart #northernfire art

[cipher-fresh]

Proposals for what 15 and Ruby have been doing for 8 months instead of visiting alien planets:

Rewatching the April 8 solar eclipse over bodies of water in the TARDIS

Karaoke bars

TARDIS wardrobe fashion shows

Petting dogs at Territorio de Zaguates dog sanctuary in Costa Rica

TARDIS swimming pool days

Renaissance faire

Viewing the Earth from outer space

Free museums, which the Doctor keeps wondering why certain artifacts aren’t housed (they haven’t been uncovered by archeologists yet in 2024 but the Doctor has visited this sane museum in the future)

Getting into concerts for free by parking the TARDIS at a venue days in advance

Re-enacting John Carpenter’s The Thing (1982) in Antarctica

#doctor who #updates from cipher #15th doctor #ruby sunday #Gatwa doctor #I’m basically playing Devil’s advocate about season long plot theories here