#ten2 talks

[soulless-angel25]

I think there is certainly a lot of discourse rearing its head about Tentoo/Rose and their storyline. And it's good that people talk about how they view it! Some people enjoy it, some don't. Some love it and others loathe it. That's normal and ok.

(More under the cut for those that want)

Personally I'm pretty neutral on it. I think that it was an interesting idea but the execution is what makes me lean more towards the dislike side of Tentoo/Rose. And part of it is because they(Ten2 and Rose) were kind of forced to stay in Pete's World.

I think that Tentoo would've been happy as long as he was with Rose. I also think that Rose did not want to go back. Now, I am going to say this- I have not listened to any of the Audio stuff, nor have I read a lot of the extended universe stuff.

But looking at it from as unbiased perspective that I can. I don't think Rose wanted to go back. Sure her Mum is there, but who else? Her sort-of-but-not-really-dad? Her younger brother Tony? Because those are really the only people, I mean- there's a possibility that she made friends in Pete's World but I doubt it because Rose did not want to be there in the first place. Which is such a vital thing to understanding her!

Rose did not want to be in Pete's World, she just wanted to be with the Doctor. And I think that with Tentoo she would've been happier in the 'Original Universe'. Because sure, in Pete's World she's got Jackie, Pete, and Tony. In the OG Universe she wouldn't have them- fine! She didn't have Pete or Tony growing up and she loves Jackie yes. But staying for one singular person isn't enough.

(Also I heavily doubt that Rose and Jackie's relationship was ever the same after Rose went 'missing' but that's something for another time)

In her OG World (Prime Universe or PU for convenience) she'd get people who could support her and understand what travelling with the Doctor is like. Mickey, Martha, Jack (and she would be so happy to see Jack!), and all the other companions whenever the Companion Support Group formed. And I think that Tentoo would also benefit from being around the former companions.

(Think of Tentoo seeing Sarah Jane and meeting Luke! Getting to reunite with Ace! Having the chance to be with all of these people who he's cared for over the centuries but always had the fear of outliving them, a fear that is now obsolete because he's human! He might still see them die but he'll also be aging with them.)

Now, is all this to say that I hate Tentoo/Rose and think it's the most horrid ending? No! It's just a discussion on my personal feelings about the way Rose's story ended. I think that Tentoo/Rose is so sweet, and I've written multiple fics about them.

#doctor who #dr who #rose tyler #metacrisis tenth doctor #tentoo

[mulderscully]

What would Ten2 be like if he's in the 60th?

i think what's important to remember when thinking about this is that rtd cares a lot about what david thinks.

at every con for the past 12 years david has never swayed in how he has talked about tentoo. he's the doctor except he has the freedom to not be emotionally repressed therefore he can be with rose but otherwise he's exactly the same (except dt said he played him "more alpha 😳")

and he and billie have both said they're still doing alien things while also being domestic. so whatever happens i assume those are the main pillars of it would be he's gonna be exactly as we always knew him except idk he gets winded easier now bc he's human lol

(also, there are two big finish audios about him which were approved by rtd and are canon, so i would give them a listen. they're very good.)

#reply #anonymous #dw #i thought i answered this last night #must have rambled abt it in the gc instead sorry djsksk

[stuckwithyounotsobad]

also stop commenting on ten2 i need yall to shut up about him…he’s literally the doctors hopes and wishes like….throughout rtd years the doctor talks about the want of having a normal life

[starcipher]

also!! so many people have sent me nice messages about my good omens fanart and i just wanted to say thank you ;__;  im anxiety so i might not answer them all but i want to let everyone know i read them and they make my day and you all!!! are very nice!! thank you!!

#i've got a lot i want to draw... i am slow lol... but there will be more fanart... #ten2 talks

[pigletsbigmovie]

i think the thing with mcu spidey is that.... it feels like all the mistakes he makes in the films are bumbling and innocent rather than choices manifesting a deep character flaw that he has to overcome

it’s like everything he does, the mistakes he makes, is just the result of him being 16......... like it’s not his fault he’s a kid superhero.... and so the consequences of his mistakes feel less cutting? bc it doesnt really feel like his fault?

compare that to raimi spidey deliberately choosing to not stop a criminal which results in his uncle dying.

ffh was fun to watch but it was also really frustrating seeing ppl push peter to take on this adult job and then get mad at him when he doesnt perform as well as an adult? that made me legit sooooo Mad lmao like! yeah! he’s not gonna do as well as tony bc peter isnt a full grown adult man what the fuck! but the movie frames peter, A Child, not being ready to handle Adult Responsibility as a character flaw... like he’s being a bit of a coward rather than being justifiably overwhelmed.....

like i feel like they could’ve had peter feeling overwhelmed and insecure about his status as a superhero Without shaming him for being a kid??

when i first watched ffh, during the battle against the water elemental in venice, i was soooo excited bc i thought i had pinned down the theme. mysterio is engaging in this big flashy battle with the water elemental while peter gets knocked around trying really hard to reduce civilian casualties and keep his friends safe

and it’s mysterio who gets the spotlight while his classmates have no idea that he saved them from getting crushed by a building

and so i thought this was the start of a story about Performative Heroism vs Actual Heroism... and like it’s still kind of about that but i dont think the movies dives deep enough into that theme?

and i thought it was reinforced with again, peter being preoccupied with keeping betty and ned safe that he cant help mysterio..... nick fury railing on peter for being too focused on his friends’ safety rather than fighting the big bad elemental monsters. the very perfomative flashy stuff....

i thought it was gonna culminate into the realization that like yeah, peter is an avenger. he’s been to space, he’s fought thanos, he fought in this big War.... but his friendly neighborhood spider-man schtick is important too and it is just as heroic as fighting the big bads. peter always looking out for the little guy is a Good Thing! maybe it isnt world ending stuff but it’s not insignificant! peter is made to feel ashamed for being so caught up with these “smaller” issues but what he does is important

but then after mysterio reveals himself to be a bad guy all of that kind of just?? gets pushed aside... and it’s then that i realized ok, this movie isnt gonna be about what i thought it was gonna be... peter doesnt learn to see the value in what he does instead it’s just... he believes in himself now, making mistakes is ok nobody’s perfect, and now he has the confidence to take on these adult sized problems

mysterio is still representative of performative heroism but peter isnt rly presented as a foil to that? not in any meaningful way? like yeah. peter is a true hero... but why? what makes him different from quentin other than the fact that peter is actually trying to do good??

i think it wouldve been interesting if. in the final battle, peter had to choose between saving his friends or fighting mysterio. peter chooses to save his friends. he ultimately ends up defeating mysterio but maybe mysterio uses footage of peter going off to save his friends to frame him as cowardly

like the scene in the end where they just... use that one out of context line... not that i dont believe that that’s enough to convince ppl that spiderman is Bad lmao humanity be like that... but footage of an Act is far more difficult to disprove i think. and it would also be a consequence to a choice peter made rather than just a line taken out of context

ANYWAY TL;DR im just frustrated bc the mcu spidey movies sprinkle in these really interesting themes but then they dont actualy explore them in depth... and im frustrated with peter never really experiencing any growth beyond learning to be confident himself?

it isnt even that learning to be confident in yourself is a bad theme! spiderverse is literally that theme done spectacularly!!!! it’s just not done in a way that i find particulary impactful in mcu spidey......

#i cant talk about movies in brief im sorry man im just like that #ten2 talks

[spartanguard]

If Wish/Clone Hook is real I expect this. No new LI, absolutely none. A clone of Hook is still our Hook. He is still gonna be Emma Swan's husband. His true love will still be Emma Swan. If Emma and Killian have a child, the clone is still very much that babies father. They cannot toy with this and I don't think they will. I think if the teases from the premiere showed us anything is that Wish/Clone Hook is still very much drawn to Emma because she is his TL even cursed he recognizes her.

I’m still not totally sold on the Wish/Clone Hook theory, but you’re 100% right, nonnie. @unfolded73 touched on that last week, framing it in reference to Ten2 in Doctor Who. He will definitely still be Killian Jones, with all his memories, motivations, and emotions.

But, what she also brought up—and the reason I’m not sure how I feel about this theory at the moment—is: where does he go from here? How cruel would it be to have a version of Killian Jones forced to live without his true love?

It reminds me of the duplicate Will Riker in the Star Trek universe, who basically ended up living in the shadow of the other one (the one the audience knew and continued to see). Star Trek could get away with it because they basically just sent him off on his own adventure, and he also wasn’t attached to anyone like Killian is to Emma. And that’s also what worked with Ten2—we knew he was off living his happy ending with Rose while we were still adventuring with the prime Doctor.

But for OUAT, the duplicate would be the one we’d see during this season. So it may work in the short-term for whatever the aim of the story is. But how do you resolve it—recombine them somehow? Or are there just two Killian Jones forever? As messy as this show gets sometimes, to me, that seems too crazy, especially when you’ve already got two Reginas running around (and even that resolution is very similar to Ten2 and Riker).

I’m not entirely sure what teases you’re talking about, as I’ve been avoiding anything but very vague spoilers from those who’ve seen the screener. So this is mostly just me thinking out loud; my apologies for rambling, anon (but I appreciate you coming to chat!).

#ouat spoilers #anonymous #ouat s7 spec #project castor nonnie

[enchantedbyhiddles]

10th Doctor, Captain Jack Harkness, Donna Noble, The Master, Rose Tyler, & Martha Jones

Push off a cliff

I’M SORRY ROSE! :( Hopefully Ten2 will catch her.

Kiss

The Master, if we talk about Simm!Master. :) I just find him hot, but something more permanent is too abusive.

Marry

10th Doctor I’m sorry, I’m predictable. :/

Set on Fire

Sorry Jack. I know you survive.

Wrap a Blanket around

Donna. Probably crying together about some guys or laughing about some stupid tv show.

Be Roommates with

Martha Jones. She is so organised and we are in similar fields of study, so that we could help each other out. :) 

Thank you very much for asking. :) Enjoy your weekend.

#franzi is bored and plays games #sidney98

[asskraehe-blog]

uhh iidk all the ten2

10. Do you believe in love at first sight?

nah not really

like crushes at first sight? yeah sure

im one of these dumb people who think love is work and all that

...then again i did hook up with dirk awfully fast 

wasnt at first sight though more at first “oh my god were both fucked up” talk

20. Do you shower every day? 

no

listen not only am i depressed im also a fucking furry do you have any idea how long it takes to blow dry all my feathers? long

30. Have you ever considered plastic surgery? If so, what would you change about your body?

nah i dont think plastic surgery is quite ready for my body issues

40. Have you ever written a song or poem for someone?

plenty of times none of them were exactly romantic though

50. If your first true love knocked on your door with apology and presents, would you accept?

im not even sure who that would be... jade i guess?

why would she even apologize

i mean yes id accept i guess but i was the one who fucked things up so she should punch me probably?

a punch from jade could probably kill me though

...i do miss her but not in a romantic way

60. What is the biggest age difference between you and any of your partners?

2 and a half years pretty exactly

70. What turns you on?

really most of all just? being wanted i guess

im gonna spare you all the kink list

80. When was the last time you told someone you loved them?

hmmm like an hour ago?

#gho2ty

[2en2e]

ii don’t want two talk about iit now. ii don’t want two thiink about iit riight now. nothiing2 workiing and iim ten2e and ii ju2t?? 

#ii want two deal wiith thii2 later.

[starcipher]

god i missed like all the good omens zine apps i guess???? which is really my fault for not following fandom closely but man!!! geez!!! :(

is a good omens zine dedicated to poc headcanons a thing? i’d like it to be a thing. this is me throwing my suggestion into the void hoping it becomes a thing because i have zero experience with organizing stuff like that,, i just wanna contribute fanart 😔

#if it's already a thing.... link pls.... #good omens #good omens zine #pocomens #ten2 talks

[starcipher]

Why're your Crowley and Zira black? Not knocking the designs, I've just never seen anyone picture them that way before, so I wanted to know what inspired you to do so. Not trying to be rude, genuinely curious.

hm well tbh there wasnt a particularly deep thought process behind the decision

just that as a person of color, if i have the opportunity to interpret a character as Not White then i am 100% gonna do that! 

i decided to make aziraphale black because i had an idea in my head of what i thought his hair looked like, natural black hairstyles fit that look, so that was that.

i did have specific inspiration for crowley tho. for my first design, it was riz ahmed. but then i saw these cool pics on twitter and, while i didnt model my crowley to look like them, i just Loooved the vibe of those photos so much it inspired me to redesign my crowley haha

#basically just dont wanna have to draw white ppl unless i have to is all ha #ten2 talks #Anonymous

[starcipher]

i havent been very active on tmblr ive become unfamiliar with all its glitches... it deleted half my original reply to this ask? wrow. anyway yes!!!! im also character: *is white* me: did anyone hear sumn??? i cant read all of a sudden? hm??? in all seriousness tho, there are so few non-white main characters in media. pls dont question it when someone decides to reinterpret a character as not white like trust me i do in fact know these characters are canonically white lmao! me drawing them as otherwise is not an accident! fortunately there was only that 1 negative comment but for my followers who rly just dont know, having to justify/explain the existence of poc in fiction is exhausting and saddening. pls dont ask ppl to do that

#thats all im saying on that! thank you and welcome new followers :)!!! #ten2 talks #ask

[starcipher]

Do you have any tips on drawing people of color? I want to draw them more but I'm kind of worried that it will look racist

hello! rly the only advice on this i can give is to draw from observation! look at photos of non-white models/actors, study their features, practice capturing their likeness! im sure there are blogs on here dedicated to sharing photos of non-white models... i dont have any links on hand right now but i might come back and put some links here later when i’ve got time

i feel studying and drawing from life is key in avoiding racist caricatures but also study the art of non-white artists! how do they stylize and depict themselves, their features? 

listen and be open to the criticisms of people of color but rly unless you’re whitewashing or drawing straight up racist caricatures you’re prob good?

and re:whitewashing - Look At References!! look at Multiple references!! don’t trust your brain to accurately remember the skin tone of a character especially if you’re white! you might think to yourself “yeah this is a dark enough color” but then you look at a reference and see how way off you are!

Coloring Tutorials: x | x | 

i understand not having practice in drawing poc. im filipino but i grew up drawing basically only white characters bc that’s what i saw a lot of! and i didnt move past that until i was like a highschool freshman... but don’t let fear become a justification to never draw people of color. if you’re an artist that specializes in drawing people, theres no excuse for not learning to draw people of color

#i'll add more links later when i find em #ten2 talks #Anonymous

[starcipher]

man. tumblr is just Bad huh?? just completely Bad?? anyway:

thank you so much!!! im really glad my designs got so much love! i didnt expect it since there’s a live action adaptation now so this was a pleasant surprise! :)

i feel you tho lol. sheen and tennant are Great! but as a person of color im really feeling fatigued by white people being the center of everything ha;; which is why i probably won’t be drawing those versions ever... unless i was commissioned to i guess??? so hope no one’s expecting that from me haha;;

#ive been more on twitter than tumblr #is tumblr just deleting my reply The New THing? wrow #ten2 talks

[pigletsbigmovie]

something i’ve been thinking a lot about is visual language re:character design? like sharp/pointy/triangle is typically visual shorthand for sneaky/evil/suspicious while soft/round/circle equals bubbly/good/pure

or how black = Bad and white = Good

and like... while that shorthand can be used to good effect, the fact that these things have been so heavily ingrained in our minds is kinda... dangerous? like theyre so cliche we dont even think about them, theyre Normal.

like i designed my aziraphale to have blonde hair and blue eyes and i? kinda regret that now lol?

i mean like part of my thought process was that i wanted him to still be recognizable to an audience that is here from the tv series

but the other part of my thought process was also “this is an angel. angels are typically depicted with blonde hair and blue eyes. so im giving this angel blonde hair and blue eyes.” which was also prob why aziraphale looks the way he does in the show

but like! i thought that! actually, i didnt even really Think about it bc angel and blonde hair/blue eyes were so heavily associated with each other in my mind

and it wasnt until later that i realized that: oh wait hey uh it’s kinda weird to have this symbol of Purity and Goodness be indicated by typically white characteristics huh? thats actually weird!

ive also seen fanart with crowley being significantly more tan than aziraphale? like it’s their tv show selves, theyre both white, but crowley’s skin tone is darkened despite in reality them being pretty similar in tone?

and im not saying the artists’ thought process was “im gonna make the evil one darker” but i think probably “im gonna emphasize the paleness of the angelic one” played a role there

i feel like at first glance there doesnt seem to be anything wrong with that! i mean that was my first thought! until i actually took a second to think about how Weeeiiiird it is that, again, paleness was being used as a signifier for Pure.pale skin is a normal thing people have, why are we giving it these significant associations

and i feel like maybe (hopefully not) some people are reading this and are thinking “it’s not That Deep”

but that’s what i Mean!!! like! it doesnt seem That Deep bc these associations are something that have been ingrained into our minds over a loooooong period of time to the point that they seem perfectly normal! like Of Course angels are white and blonde and blue eyed?? like of course it’s not weird that it never occured to me, a person of color, that an angel could look like me? not weird at all! no need to question anything here bc that’s just how things are!!

like the thing is, im already Aware of the discussion surrounding angels being predominately depicted as white and yet that association Still stuck in my mind

anyway. i dont think the use of this visual vocabulary is inherently bad just reflecting that i definitely need to be more careful and vigilant bc it’s not always gonna be so immediately obvious to me when i making use of harmful imagery

#ive been thinking about how weird visual vocab re:character design is since highschool but i def underestimated how deep-rooted it is #it's important to question shit!!! #ten2 talks #long post

[pigletsbigmovie]

im sooorrryyy i really didnt want to go off on the g/ood o/mens discourse but i’ve run into so many posts that like. suck ass. and it makes me so mad every time so im just gonna vent it out and hopefully i can move on with my life

tl;dr: why the fuuuuck should i praise a cishet man for essentially just saying im allowed to have headcanons like? thanks i was gonna pretend everything’s gay anyway whether you like it or not bc thats just how art works??? also people throwing lgbt+ ppl under the bus in order to praise that cishet man is fucked up. thats it thats the post.

heres the long version

saying “you can think this character/relationship is gay” vs “this character/relationship is gay” are 2 different things and the former is pretty nice but it doesnt actually count as representation

and the amount of mocking and vitriol i’ve seen lobbed at people who are upset at the way geil naiman has handled the aziraphale/crowley relationship is fucking... Ridiculous.

like you’re??? you’re really gonna throw other lgbt+ people under the bus in order to defend a cishet man????

i’ve been trying to ignore it but it’s like every post i’ve stumbled upon on the topic unnecessarily accuses people who think he’s q*eerbaiting of Performative Fake Woke Tumblr Bullshit!

people trying to throw out Gotchas like.... “oh interesting that these trans/nb characters arent q*eer enough for you hmmmm”

like hello,,, gay ace nb individual here who has issues with geil naiman’s writing! we exist!!! it’s really hurtful to call our concerns Performative! that’s unbelievably Fucked Up why would you do that??? why are people scrambling to protect and praise a cishet man for doing the bare minimum!!! and he isnt even doing that very good

if we’re talking trans/nb representation then yknow sure. the tv show’s pretty swell. yeah they’re all non-human entities which is EH but i cant think of any nonbinary character on mainstream tv/film other than SU so alright

but if we’re talking about aziraphale/crowley’s relationship then, yes! yeah i’d say it’s q*eerbaiting! all of his answers about it are so Vague! and he even outright says Why he keeps his answers vague!

bc he doesnt want to exclude people’s headcanons

which is fiiine! i dont have a problem with, for example, mark hamill saying it’s ok to think luke skywalker is gay! that’s cool!

but im not mad at mark hamill bc he doesnt pat himself on the back for the bare minimum of saying im allowed to do something that i was gonna do anyway whether he approved or not. he doesnt act like hes provided anything more substantial than the assurance that he doesnt hate gay people

if geil naiman just said “their relationship is up to interpretation” i would be fine with that! im used to that! it wouldnt be anything new!

i just dont like how he replies to people like he’s given the gays everything they want just by encouraging headcanons?? like it’s not representation!

im sorry but if everything can be Canon then Nothing actually is!

when geil naiman says “a love story” he means it in the vaguest sense possible. i’ve seen him encouraging people to view it as a romantic love story. i’ve seen him also encouraging people to view it as two people who love each other platonically and as best friends bc platonic love is just as valid as romantic love.

a relationship can’t be both romantic and aromantic simultaneously?

and if he’s encouraging both interpretations then that just means neither are Canon in any meaningful way

which isn’t to say that headcanons are in less Meaningful and less Real than canon! not at all! art is all about interpretation!

it just means im not gonna praise an author for representation that they didnt provide :T

#this post is a mess usually i put more thought into what i write but right now im just tired mad. just wanna get my anger out and mooove oon #ten2 talks #long post --