#ragnarok essentially decided that 'nah loki's over all that haha also treating him bad is funny bc he kinda deserves it'

[worstloki]

Ragnarok Loki is Loki actually making moves toward growing up bye

Just because you don’t like a thing doesn’t mean it’s Objectively Bad Actually. I Statements are your friend.

Anon darling, I would like you to tell me one move Loki made towards “growing up” that wasn’t ‘Loki let’s go of the issue he had with X’ because what I’m seeing when the movie skips over development to frame the conclusion of ‘Loki’s fine with being jotun and having been lied to and being treated unequal to Thor and punished unfairly’ as something implicit I’m not seeing anything but Loki's narrative being sidelined to the point where breakdowns were tantrums and holding a grudge (which he in my opinion had every right to do if he wanted to) is an overreaction.

That Loki’s ‘moving on’ features resigning himself to continued bad treatment but now no longer complaining about it... shouldn’t be where the character ends up or what he amounts to neither generally or as a continuation of his arc from the previous movies in my opinion, not when he had legitimate grievances that still haven’t been so much as acknowledged.

Just because you like a thing doesn't mean it's Objectively Good Actually either. It is very clear you haven't taken the time to look into posts/interviews detailing why, objectively, the film is a retcon, (along with a majority of posts which thoroughly make clear when things *are* a matter of opinion) but I see that you are happy to criticize whilst not using any 'I statements' yourself.

If you see character changes as consistent continuity that's fine! I've got to remind you that being critical is okay though, and that everyone is free to how they see things.

Additionally, I think you need to hear that a post detailing negative points of a movie is not equivalent to saying there aren't positive factors.

#''Just because you don’t like a thing doesn’t mean it’s Objectively Bad Actually'' ANON I ENJOY RAGNAROK BUT NO #THE MOVIE ACTUALLY DOES HAVE VERY CONVOLUTED MESSAGES AND A LOT OF IT IS DUE TO FRAMING #EVEN IF I COMPLETELY IGNORE THE ABSOLUTE DEMOLITION OF THE MAIN CHARACTER'S ARC AND CHARACTERIZATION AND ABUSE APOLOGISM #ignore the yelling #even if I ignore all that objective actions in the film everyone is free to interpret diegetic factors and build their own opinions #but as someone who enjoys both the critical thinking off and the analysis side of discussions #i do find the summation of a character who has (supposedly) gotten over his many issues as 'growing up' not good anyway #because there WAS legitimate trauma behind his bad actions and while it's not in any way an excuse for anything it made him compelling #ragnarok essentially decided that 'nah loki's over all that haha also treating him bad is funny bc he kinda deserves it' #after Thor 1 Avengers 1 and Thor 2 established Loki's villainous behaviour as unlike him to do #the movie was fun and loving it is fine! i don't mind the changes to loki even though marvel is generally insulting and sidelines abuse! #i think the main issue is that a lot of people insist that the characters are the same when even their previous actions are retconned #if you find the characters consistent well good for you! enjoy your film! but there IS objective proof that the movie is bad #where we're not defining 'bad' by how entertaining something is because THAT is subjective #it's not like Ragnarok is the only 'bad' marvel movie and criticism of the films is usually backed up with canon/proof #on the note of which you may realize that someone else saying a movie is bad doesn't mean you have to agree #you're allowed to look away or read about why they think that or skip the post because it doesn't matter and fandom is supposed to be fun #if you don't like seeing anything negative about marvel then ignore the posts #most of the meta i see is neutral it just doesn't praise the movie for stuff it didn't do :/ #feel free to send another anon in to argue or discuss anything i've said because i'm not trying to say it's bad to like the film #like... it's completely fine to prefer the Ragnarok characterisation?? the entire tone of the movie is more comedic so consider that too #marvel messes up loads of characters and their arcs idk why everyone likes to argue when people say loki was changed too #i think it might ACTUALLY be a case of ''i liked the thing so it's objectively good so don't say anything bad about it'' for a lot of fans #a lot of people know the character is different and still love/prefer the ragnarok loki #seriously everyything is fine no one is saying dont like the thing #no one is insulting you personally for deciding people who were abused/traumatised need to 'grow up' #it's about how Ragnarok acted as a standalone rather than something that was inherited as continued part of an established universe #and how that kinda maybe obliterated a lot of old stuff to recreate the characters #truly fitting for a movie named Ragnarok #i think I get why they called it that despite the limited links to mythology now