#patp preminger

[neon-ufo]

Barbie as the Princess and the Pauper 👑🎀💙

#Barbie Princess and the Pauper #Barbie #Princess and the Pauper #patp #patp preminger #patp annaliese #patp erika #patp sarafina #patp wolfie #patp midas

[blueberry-bubbles130]

So I've been reading a few of the Barbie Princess and the Pauper essays that are floating around the internet (mostly Tumblr) and I've got a theory that Preminger killed the King, before the movie takes place.

First of all I'd like to give a lot of credit and a big thank you to @rin-the-shadow for their brilliant analysis of the timeline of the movie that helped me massively in figuring out when Preminger would have killed the king for the theory. Since the ages of the characters are not stated anywhere, or even implied, within the movie itself. So there's not a lot to work with in terms of timing. 

I'd also like to thank my two close friends who helped me come up with this theory. 

So first for a bit of a background, in the movie the King isn't mentioned at all, and we only see him once at the beginning of the movie, which is in the prologue. From this evidence, it's incredibly safe to say he is dead by the time the movie takes place. Now If we look at Rin's analysis and the evidence they use from the movie, they state Preminger comes into the role of Queen Genevieve's advisor when Annaliese is around 6 years old.

From here the timeline becomes messy, as we don't know when Julian becomes the tutor to Annaliese. I'm assuming that he becomes her tutor at least 3-5 years before the movie begins. This is a bit clearer if we again look at Rin's analysis, in which they theorise about the difference in time between Julian and Preminger's arrival at the palace: as they state with more movie evidence in which Julian can remember living in the village. As well as this Annaliese and Julian are really close at the beginning of the movie, which shows they've gotten to know each other really well. So I think that Julian is a bit older than Annaliese, not by much though, so I'm going to say he's about 2 years older than Annaliese.

This leaves about 5-6 years maximum for Preminger to get rid of any evidence he may still have lying around from him murdering the King, from him coming to the castle to Julian's arrival at the palace.

So for the theory itself, I think that Preminger murdered the King a year or two into his role as the Royal Advisor. Now you may be asking why Preminger would kill the King?

That's because I think the King was incredibly close to discovering Preminger's plan to steal the gold, so he decides to murder him in order to truly get rid of him, and keep his plan secret. This is because the King was probably the smartest out of him and Genevieve at the time, therefore the King would question Preminger more. And lets be real for a moment he probably realised that Preminger is clearly evil. While Annaliese would be about 7 or 8 according to the timeline, so she'd be too young at the time and less of a concern to Preminger. 

Now by doing this, Preminger in fact gets a few things out of murdering the king. The main one being that he can keep his plan secret much longer, allowing him a greater chance at succeeding. The second thing he gets out of this, is now an increase of power through Queen Genevieve.

Throughout the movie, it's shown that Preminger has Queen Genevieve completely under his thumb, a massive example being when he proposes to her (we'll be coming back to this piece of evidence later). And from this we can assume that for a while before the start of the movie, Preminger was essentially making the decisions for the Kingdom while manipulating Genevieve into agreeing with him. Or making it look like she's the one truly making the decisions.  (Because as much as I love Genevieve, it's clearly shown, at best she's completely dependent upon Preminger, and at worst dumb on her own)

Once Preminger kills the King this leaves grieving Annaliese and a vulnerable Queen Genevieve. She's now a widow, with a kingdom and a child to not only look after, but make sure she's an experienced heir to the throne. On top of that she's going to be grieving and that's going to make things a lot harder for her. 

This is where Preminger's manipulation of Queen Genevieve truly begins. Through her grief Preminger can manipulate her by making it seem like he's helping her work through her grief, while also making it seem like he's the answer to her problems of taking care of the kingdom. As a result this increases the power and wealth Preminger holds, whilst making Queen Genevieve completely dependent on him over time. 

This leaves the timeline looking like this: 

.Genevieve and the King become a couple

.Annaliese is born

.Preminger is hired as the Royal Advisor when Annaliese is about 6

.The King is murdered by Preminger when Annaliese is about 7 or 8

.Julian is hired 

.The events of the movie happen

All that is left now is to figure out how the King was murdered. Now if you've seen the movie or have seen a review, you know that when he has to, Preminger is 100% willing to murder people. This is shown when he tries to murder Annaliese and Julian by causing a cave-in, within the Royal Mine. Which happens because Julian and Annaliese are smart enough to realise that Preminger is evil. And by this point murder is Preminger's only option to secure his plan. 

The evidence is also important, as it reinforces how experienced Preminger is when it comes to manipulating Genevieve, because the next two scenes are when Preminger exposes Erika and then the proposal scene. The proposal scene shows how he uses Genevieve's own grief against her, to marry her in order to become king (and completely disregarding any emotions she may have about this situation). It not only shows that he has total power over her, since she doesn't even make a verbal response she just turns around and holds her hand out for the ring to be placed on her finger. It also shows that he is very used to doing this and knows that in this situation all he has to do is present himself as the solution to her problem. But this time he's gotten so desperate and thinks that he's won so he doesn't even bother hiding his evil intent from Genevieve. As by this point he's managed to figuratively and literally back her into a corner where he is her only option. 

Going back to how Preminger murdered the King, he has a few options for how he can do it. 

He can make it look like an accident or natural causes

He can make it look like someone else murdered him

Not care at all how it looks and get rid of the evidence later

Again from looking at the movie, when he tries to murder Annaliese and Julian by collapsing the mine, he at least tries to make it look somewhat like an accident (at least I think he does, please correct me if I'm wrong). So I'm more inclined to go with option 1 for his method. We also have to remember that the movie is set loosley somewhere in the 16th century. So there's more ways to get away with a crime, and it's before Julian arrives at the palace, meaning Preminger has less to worry about when he commits the murder. 

Preminger also seems like the type to not have much physical involvement in a murder, that is yet again shown in the mine collapse scene. So I'm going to say that Preminger most likely poisoned the king. 

This is because poison was widely available at the time, with apothecaries selling poisons as some poisons had functions apart from murder. This means that he can easily get it and get more if he ever needs to. 

So to summarise the theory, Preminger murders the King because he's coming too close to discovering Preminger's plan to gain power and chooses to kill him by poison. This leaves Genevieve vulnerable to Preminger's manipulation that while not making him just yet, gives him a bigger increase of power while pushing his plan further along. Then the events of the movie occur that force him to change his plans and in turn bring about Preminger's downfall and defeat. 

So that's it! Sorry this got a bit long. 

Thanks for listening to my rambles. 

#barbie #barbie movies #classic barbie movies #barbie princess and the pauper #princess and the pauper #old barbie movies #barbie cinematic universe #barbie as the princess and pauper #patp #princess annaliese #barbie annaliese #barbie preminger #barbie julian #barbie queen genevieve #barbie genevieve #I'm probably not the only person who's thought of this #the only reason the king isn't mentioned was probably budget or timing #or they just didn't want to mention him #but I wanted to at least make an explanation #because this movie is my favourite #and Queen Genevieve is actually my favourite character #I wish she was a bit more developed #god this got really long #my first ever theory as well #well first ever posted theory

[barbie-edits]

✨️Barbie inspired outfits - Princess and the Pauper - Preminger✨️

#barbie #barbie movies #mine #my barbie looks #aesthetic #girly aesthetic #preminger #premmy #patp #barbie patp

[queen-erika-the-songful]

Most overrated Barbie characters? Top 5

Hahahahahahahaha

1. Literally everyone in the main PatP cast. It’s my favorite movie and I love them so much but the fact that they get put up on freaking pedestals in this fandom is so frustrating. They’re great characters but some people act like there isn’t a single other character that could even COMPARE to them. Preminger especially is a super overrated character - though I’m not sure if that’s due to him essentially just being a meme in the fandom at this point or if it’s just my bias towards other villains.

2. Alexa & Liana because most of the focus on them is shipping and not their actual personalities. It’s a shame really because I could talk for a long time about how I like Alexa and Liana being selfish in their own ways and how it’s weird they went back to their old life after their grand adventure like nothing happened, etc, but no everyone just wants to talk about their “cottage core gf goals”

3. Nori because shipping but I already talked about that here and here.

4. Sunburst because again I feel much of her popularity is based on shipping her with Elina. Sunburst is much worse than Nori though because she didn’t even get development until the very end after Elina saved her. Nori and Elina at least had to save each other and learn to work together throughout the movie. Sunburst, on the other hand, just had to flip personalities at the last second for the sake of the world. She never even apologized for laughing at Elina to her face and acting like she didn’t deserve to be an apprentice. Literally her VERY LAST interaction before getting captured was teasing Elina for being “scared of competition” with a stupid ball game.

5. Raquelle from FF/FS because AGAIN shipping. Raquelle literally pretended to be Ken and broke him and Barbie up over the phone and then played it off as a “PRANK” like what the actual hell is wrong with you. Then the next movie opens up with her trying to humiliate Barbie by ripping her dress and potentially exposing her in front of tons of paparazzi AND a camera crew. Those aren’t just little pranks on the schoolyard. I mean her development is at least more like Nori instead of Sunburst in that she and Barbie actually have to work together, but still she was so mean. And all for what?? Because she was shy and thought Barbie might not have liked her?? She could’ve just stuck with making friends with others instead or just focused on herself. But instead she started a rivalry that has gone on for what’s implied to be years. I could be on board with them starting (keyword: STARTING) to be friends post FS but as a couple? Idk about that. (Sidenote: they don’t even remember any of that development because they got brainwashed!!)

#asks #the-omega-jojo #barbie movies

[locktobre]

“I love patp so much” what do you love about it tho. explain without using the word “pretty” or talking about Anneliese and/or Erika. if you mention Preminger I kill you on the spot. good luck.

#mel irl #barbie babbles #if you're thinking 'what else is there' then i also kill you.

[mahoushouj]

I've been bowing 🙏

I've been scraping

I've been lying like a rug🛏

And for ten long years I've had to pay my dues💵

But today I am escaping🏃‍♂️

For the last gold has been dug💰💰

It was waiting there, so how could I refuse?😈

I'm returning home 🏘 a hero

Who's discovered mighty 💰wealth💰

And what better husband👫 could a princess 👸🏼choose?

I'm the suitor 🤷‍♂️who will suit her👸🏼

Bring the kingdom🏰 back to health🏥

And I'll wear the crown🤴, for how could I refuse?

Raise every glass🥂

And rouse every cheer🗣!

Praise that the reign of Preminger🤴 is here!

Master🤴 in charge of all 🏰that I see

All hail me!

And by marrying💍 the princess👸🏼 I get all that I desire

Like a moat

An ermine coat🧥

And palace🏰 views🌄

Even though she treats me coldly❄️

It's a sign of inner fire���

For inside she's👸🏼 thinking

How can I refuse?😈

🤐Silencio!

No!🚫 I won't let go!

This peasants son🧑 won't turn and run🏃‍♂️ because some reckless royal👸 chose another beau🤴🏽

Ah...

It's a temporary setback😈

It's a momentary loss

But conveniently my ego doesn't🚫 bruise

And the moment that I get back🏰 I will show them who's the boss🤴

You can bet your bullion there'll be no "I do's"🤐

Yes suppose the girl👸🏼 goes missing

So the king says "au revoir"✋

Then I find her👸🏼

Bring her back and make the news📰

Then the queen 👸will be so grateful

That she'll pledge the girl👸🏼 to moi

And I'll humbly tell her

"How can I refuse?"😈

When our ceremony's over

I'll arise and take the throne💺

And that nitwit Anneliese👸🏼 can kiss💋 my shoes👢

For the kingdom and the castle🏰 will be mine and mine alone😈

If the crown 🤴should fit then how can I refuse?😈

So get ready with the roses 🌹

And stand by with the champagne🍾

When you've got a brilliant plan you never lose 🚫

Yes before this chapter closes📚

I'll be big as Charlemagne 

It's a thankless job but how can I refuse?😈

How can I refuse?😈

#barbie patp #barbie as the princess and the pauper #barbie movies #preminger

[plasma-sky]

Wow, youtube just unlocked some long forgotten childhood memories. Not even sure what happened for memes about Preminger from Barbie's Princess and the Pauper to show up in my suggestions... But they sure are here now. I had forgotten all about this movie's existence.

#Barbie #PatP #Princess and the Pauper #Preminger #WHY??? #I mean they're hilarious #but.... why?

[alfea]

#princess and the pauper #patp #preminger #rb this.

[cfv-g]

I made this quiz and everyone should take it

#barbie #princess and the pauper #barbie movies #quiz #preminger #patp

[lgbtbarbie]

EVIL OCTOBER: How Can I Refuse? - Genderbent Cover

#barbie as the princess and the pauper #patp #preminger #how can i refuse? #genderbent #genderbend #cover

[just-barbie-things]

Just Barbie Things #4

#this video of him screaming is my most popular post on erikajuno #barbie #barbie movies #barbie as the princess and the pauper #patp #preminger #justbarbiethings #my gif

[fluffybreadd]

1, 3, 4, 9, 12, 15-18 for the Barbie asks!

1. Favorite Barbie film?

Princess and the Pauper hands down.

3. Favorite Barbie film song?

Free from PATP is my absolute favorite Barbie song, such a strong introduction to the movie. I Need to Know from the Island Princess is a very close second though.

4. Favorite Barbie film dance scene?

That scene in Swan Lake where the fairy queen is teaching Odette how to dance and there’s little floating lights around them. I love the dancing and the music in that particular scene!

9. Favorite Barbie Villian.

Preminger from PATP and Laverna from Fairytopia. Dangerous, but hospitable ahaha

12. Favorite Barbie Film quote?

I honestly have SO many that I like it’s almost impossible to choose just one. But the two that I always keep in mind are:

“You’re braver than you think” -Swan Lake

“No one can make you feel inferior, not without your consent.” -Princess Charm School

15. (I did this one earlier!)

16. Most romantic Barbie film scene?

The whole entire If You Love Me for Me scene in PATP. I’m jealous of their date aha

17. Funniest Barbie film scene?

I quote from Princess Charm School:

“OWW! You stepped on eight of my toes, I only have four left.”

“Two. You have two left.”

“That’s even WORSE.”

I’m sorry it’s funnier if you actually watch it :’)

18. Favorite Barbie film blooper.

Do you even have to ask? JULIAN DOING THE HIPPITY HOP. HAD ME ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING FOR HOURS WHEN I WAS SMOL

#barbie #barbie movies #barbie asks

[barbie-edits]

Preminger: (staring at a painting in the castle hallway)(without turning around) Anneliese. I knew you'd come looking for me.

Anneliese: H-how did you know it was me?

Preminger: Well, to be honest you're the third person I said that to,

#incorrect quotes #incorrect barbie quotes #patp #the princess and the pauper #premmy #preminger #soruce: 30 rock #30 rock #paraphrased #because I"m too lazy to look it up

[currywaifu]

Hallo again Nathya-nee!! Also princess and the pauper is also one of mah faves! Along with Christmas Carol, Island Princess, and Diamond Castle!! (I couldn't pick XD) And you can call me whatever you want!^^ ~ OwO-chan

unfortunately there's no barbie doll emoji (the audacity!) so we're sticking with OwO-chan~ honestly your taste is 🤩😍✨👌 honestly Barbie’s Christmas Carol is an underrated Christmas cartoon, I loved her character development!

ALSO Island Princess in general- the songs and the atmosphere and even the characters eye- I genuinely bop with “Love is for Peasants“ (I still prefer Preminger’s “How Can I Refuse“, but it’s a close second).

Diamond Castle is also really good! Their friendship and the struggles they face is so real to me... and obviously the songs 👌👌👌 the only hmmm for me was the two male leads- they just don’t have the same impact as Julian & King Dominic from PatP, or just their male lead predecessors in general 🥺 it’s a shame bc duo male leads can have a really unique dynamic imo! it doesn’t even have to be romantic chemistry, just smth to flesh them out more~

I need to be stopped I will literally talk about Barbie (or even anything similar like monster high/ever after high or bratz or even winx club or just OG girl targeted media for hours i have zero restraint- D.N.E. me as in do not enable me)

#OwO-chan~ #nathya's lovely regulars~ #nathya stans barbie ✌️💖 #customer served~

[locktobre]

Here’s a breakdown of when the villains/antagonists meet the heroine (as in, the Barbie character) in Barbie movies, just for fun (not for fun, I have a very specific point to make).

They meet for the first time in the movie:

Nutcracker (Mouse King and Clara)

Swan Lake (Rothbart and Odette)

Fairytopia (Laverna and Elina)

Magic of Pegasus (Wenlock and Annika)

12 Dancing Princesses (Duchess Rowena and Genevieve)

Magic of the Rainbow (Sunburst and Elina)

Island Princess (Queen Ariana and Ro)

Mariposa (Henna and Mariposa)

Diamond Castle (Lydia and Liana)

Thumbelina (Myron and Thumbelina(?))

Three Musketeers (Philippe and Corinne)

Mermaid Tale (Eris and Merliah)

Fashion Fairytale (Jacqueline and Barbie)

Fairy Secret (Crystal and Barbie)

Princess & the Popstar (Crider and Tori)

Pink Shoes (Snow Queen and Kristyn)

Fairy Princess (Gwyllion and Mariposa)

Pony Tale (Philippe Cheynet and Barbie)

Secret Door (Malucia and Alexa)

Rock N Royals (Clive, Olivia and Erika, Sloane and Courtney)

Great Puppy Adventure (Joe, Marty and the Roberts sisters)

Spy Squad (Agent Dunbar and Barbie)

Video Game Hero (Cutie and Barbie)

Dolphin Magic (Marlo and Barbie)

Princess Adventure (Johan and Barbie)

They knew each other before the movie:

Rapunzel (Gothel and Rapunzel)

Princess and the Pauper (Preminger and Anneliese, Madame Carp and Erika)

Barbie Diaries (Raquelle and Barbie)

Mermaidia (Laverna and Elina)

Magic of the Rainbow (Laverna and Elina)

Fashion Fairytale (Raquelle and Barbie)

Fairy Secret (Raquelle and Barbie)

Mermaid Tale 2 (Eris and Merliah)

Pink Shoes (Madame Natasha and Kristyn)

Princess Power (Baron von Ravendale and Kara)

Spy Squad (Patricia and Barbie)

They would have technically met in the past, but the heroine doesn’t remember:

Princess Charm School (Dame Devin and Sophia)

Pearl Princess (Caligo and Lumina)

No real villain/antagonist:

Christmas Carol (Eden is hero antagonist)

Perfect Christmas (N/A)

Star Light Adventure (Constantine is antagonistic but not a villain)

Puppy Chase (N/A)

So you can see, the majority of villains/antagonists meet the heroine in the movie. Of the 12 that don’t, 4 are carrying over from a previous movie into a sequel (Laverna twice, Raquelle, Eris). Of the remaining 8, 3 are classmates or former classmates (Raquelle, other Raquelle, Patricia) and 1 is just doing her job (Madame Natasha). Of the remaining 4, 2 begin the movie as antagonists (Gothel and Madame Carp). So that leaves 2 who actually begin the movie in a position of trust and power and reveal their true motivations along the way: Preminger and Baron von Ravendale.

Baron von Ravendale does not have anything specific he wants to do to Kara. He wants to destroy/eliminate/whatever (I forget the wording he uses, if any) the royal family, bc he thinks the throne rightfully belongs to him. Kara’s a part of that family, so he’s against her, but it’s not about her. She’s just there. Even tho he’s peeved that she got his superpowers, once he gets his potion remade he doesn’t even care about that iirc. She’s basically irrelevant to what he actually wants to accomplish, except for her becoming a hero and fighting him.

And then there’s Preminger. Unlike the Baron, Anneliese is central to Preminger’s ultimate goal. He wants to marry her. Of course, he wants to be king--but if that was all that mattered, Genevieve was already a widow, and she proves serviceable to him once he’s decided he doesn’t need Anneliese and attempts to have her killed instead. But his first choice was Anneliese, who, and I can’t stress this enough, he’s known since she was a child. He’s been working toward this goal since she was a child. (I doubt they meant it to be taken that way, similar to the “10 years we’ve been rusting” / “bloom until his 21st year” thing in BatB implying the Beast was cursed when he was 11. Sorry that’s what you actually told me, it’s not my fault if you didn’t think about what that meant.) I don’t think they were close, but this was someone Anneliese trusted. She’s happy to see him when she thinks he’s there to rescue her. So his betrayal of her, his attempt to kill her when she’s no longer useful to him, is very, very personal and specific in a way that none of the other villains really come close to, imo.

So like, I can’t think it’s funny to see Preminger turn into a stupid meme. I can’t. Bc I can’t stop thinking about how fucked up it was that he did that to Anneliese. I can’t stop thinking about ppl claiming to love PatP, to love Anneliese, and then... just laughing at her villain like he isn’t a complete and utter monster who betrayed her trust, her mother’s trust, the whole kingdom’s trust and ALMOST got away with it all. He was going to marry Genevieve like he didn’t bankrupt her in the first place, like he didn’t just murder her daughter, and ppl think that’s somehow funny? It isn’t. No amount of camp can make Preminger funny to me. I know I take things too seriously, but how can you look at everything he does and just excuse it bc he sings a half-decent song? What is WRONG with you?

#mel irl #barbie babbles #hate preminger hours #long post #ok maybe this will get it all out of my system idk #anyone who tries to say i'm taking this too seriously lighten up etc will be blocked #i literally SAID as much but that also doesn't mean i'm wrong lmao. he's a creep and you're a freak for liking him. end of discussion.

[caliginouscat]

Preminger from PATP, thoughts?

He is a very great villian. His song bops. I wouldn’t say he’s the best villain in the sence of he’s the one I hate the most, but I see why he’s a fan fav.

#barbie #danni answers