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I think the reason Rhaenyra was fine working with Mysaria, despite her being Daemon’s mistress, is because Rhaenyra is entrenched enough in the feudal system to not see Mysaria as a threat because she’s of drastically lower status. Mysaria was lowborn, formerly enslaved, with a history of sex work and being a spymaster in the least savory part of the capital, all things that women get dehumanized for in the society that Rhaenyra was raised in. Mysaria isn’t like Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra is special, she’s Valyrian, she’s the heir to the throne, and she’s a dragonrider. None of the things that ever happened to Mysaria because of Daemon would ever happen to her. She’s different, he would never abandon her to get put on a boat somewhere while he flies off to another person because power is pointing in a different direction.

But he did do that, and that’s where Nettles comes in. Daemon groomed Rhaenyra (and arguably also Laena) as a teenager. Daemon is into very questionably young dragonriders because he’s real into Valyria. Nettles is the last one in that pattern, and Daemon running off with this girl who ISNT Valyrian and IS lowborn, gender nonconforming, and “ugly” had to have been more of a betrayal for Rhaenyra psychologically.

Rhaenyra committed to a life with Daemon, he said he was going to fight for her, and it turned into a war that killed all but one of her children (all six of whom she had before she was 30) and a rapidly decaying claim on the power she sacrificed so much for. And when bearing this inhuman tidal wave of grief got to be a little too hard for her husband to deal with, he ran off on a probable suicide mission with a plucky and naive 16 year old dragonrider and left his wife and their son out to dry. This is a world-destroying betrayal and revelation to deal with for Rhaenyra, and she cannot deal with it, so she just decides to blame Nettles and try to get her killed. She literally cannot believe that her husband would do this to her, it has to be 16 year-old Nettles’ fault, the slut, the tramp, the temptress who led her man astray.

*EDITED POST* (12/15/23)

I and others write HERE & HERE about why Nettles and Daemon never had sex and just had a paternal-mentee relationship, if not her just being his bio bastard daughter. Not enough? You may check out this "masterpost" darklina compiled.

You: "I think the reason Rhaenyra was fine working with Mysaria, despite her being Daemon’s mistress, is because Rhaenyra is entrenched enough in the feudal system to not see Mysaria as a threat because she’s of drastically lower status. Mysaria was lowborn, formerly enslaved, with a history of sex work and being a spymaster in the least savory part of the capital, all things that women get dehumanized for in the society that Rhaenyra was raised in."

Okay, (11/14/23 NOTE: I should have put this into the original doc of this post) I won't deny that Rhaenyra underestimated Mysaria from classism...but I do have questions:

Why wouldn't she be okay working with Mysaria long term or using her spy network 7 connections? Apart from being uncomfortable with the fact Mysaria was (not "is") Daemon's one-time-some-time lover? There are differences b/t worrying bc of a past relationship reigniting, not wanting your lover's baggage around, and actually worrying that the ex-lover would harm you. What reason do you expect Rhaenyra to have to suspect Mysaria of actually plotting against her when Rhaenyra did nothing to Mysaria.... absolutely nothing AND when Mysaria only stood to gain actual power & relative safety away from her former downtrodden life? In being under Rhaenyra's "employ"? Why are you making Rhaenyra out to be this super paranoid person before her actual super-paranoia kicks in?

Have you ever wondered what exactly makes Mysaria willing to try to make Rhaenyra fall after years of her willingly helping Daemon to spy and kill a literal child on this command and possibly for his & Rhaenyra's need for revenge? (This is about the rumor that she and Dameon were sleeping with each other after Rhaenyra retreated more after the taking of KL. I do not think they slept together anymore after contemplating this exact thing.) If it were true that Mysaria simply continued being Daemon's mistress...why the hell would she antagonize him or bring about his downfall if she stands to benefit from Rhaenyra & Daemon winning and making a comeback? So it has to be about something more than her supposedly wanting Daemon back/be his real mistress again and getting rejected. Otherwise, it is some cheap soap opera nonsense (which can be entertaining elsewhere but doesn't fit w/Mysaria's character nor the themes of this story--again Mysaria was willing to work for Daemon for literal years while he's been building a whole ass family). Mysaria always struck me as a pragmatist; no sex worker, past or present, expects their past customer/lover to actually "choose" them. (one theory [developed from hamliet's about Mysaria and bastard kids] is that Mysaria knows Nettles is Daemon's bio daughter or at least suspects it, feels cheated out of a happy life with her own bastard kid who would have been Daemon's first child and even received an egg, and thus targets Nettles)

Why would Rhaenyra see Mysaria as a legitimate romantic threat, when Mysaria & Daemon were physically apart for almost 20 yrs before they finally landed in KL? When Daemon never saw her again since she was exiled to Lys & suffered her miscarriage?

It seems you have an idea of Mysaria's motivation for deceiving Rhaenyra, and you seem to think that it is bc Mysaria is this hero/good actor trying to save KL, advocates for the little guy, and looks for "the realm" best interests away from Rhaenyra's tyranny. Did you know that by making Rhaenyra go after Nettles, Mysaria was also targeting Nettles?, a lowborn dark-skinned girl of 17? Even if Nettles was sleeping with Daemon, why would Mysaria phrase her sex w/Daemon with provocative language, approach Rhaenyra as if this were a troublesome topic, or even mention it at all to the one person who could/would hurt Nettles? And encourage Rhaenyra to stop/separate the two "lovers"?! IF she, Mysaria actually wanted to look out for vulnerable people or was thinking of that when she "exposed" Daemon & Nettles?!

You: "Mysaria isn’t like Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra is special, she’s Valyrian, she’s the heir to the throne, and she’s a dragonrider. None of the things that ever happened to Mysaria because of Daemon would ever happen to her. She’s different, he would never abandon her to get put on a boat somewhere while he flies off to another person because power is pointing in a different direction."

Being a Valyrian dragonrider or just a Valyrian/of descent doesn't really make you special or "better" as a person. Magnetic, cooler, possibly charismatic, confident, and certainly more powerful...yeah. "Better" as in a higher value? Nah.

Maegor, Rhaena-Rider-of-Dremafyre (specifically about the suffocation of her family and lover), Aemond and Aegon II, Viserys I & II, Daemon, Alysanne, and Jaehaerys I--all these people had faults. Major & minor ones. A few were evil.

I espe. do not understand what is going on here: "None of the things that ever happened to Mysaria because of Daemon would ever happen to her."

If you are saying that it's solely Daemon's fault Mysaria loses her kid or eventually gets whipped to death in the streets, not really but kinda. While theirs was a consensual relationship for what it was-- where afterward they sought each other to further use the other Mysaria wanted/sought him out and continued to be in his/Rhaenyra's employ for the power and safety that comes with the position--it's also true that Daemon complied w/Viserys' order. I will explain later in point 3 how even here it's odd considering the possible ramifications for Daemon not sending Mysaria away and a headcanon as to why he did, but I could be giving him too much grace.

It's worth considering the inherent exploitativeness of sex work within patriarchy even when a person chooses to go into sex work.

In reality, the person has very little protections against clients' violence or from rape

said violence is hard to predict to avoid yet can never be avoided

you can be trafficked into doing unpaid sex and become a sex slave

you're more exposed to sexually transmitted diseases if you do not have sustained access to the proper preventative materials and MOST sex workers globally do not

GLOBALLY you can lose your kids or not be able to grow a family if you wanted to bc many prostitutes are barely able to privde for themselves (sex work is not lucrative for most) or your pimp will kill.traffic them

it is mainly in the poorest, colonized, and/or war-genocide-torn, PoC countries where SW is literally an imprisonment and punishment for women--even if they somehow escaped their enslavers/traffickers, because of the stigma AND sex work these women & children & some men cannot find nonSW-->they fall back into SW often & it becomes their only way to sustain themselves and somethimes even this isn't enough

but in the U.S., too, SW is not protected bc it only helps undercover clients who number the politicians, etc. to keep SWers in this fraught existence -- it only benefits the powers-that-be to facilate these countries' chaos that trickles down to passport-bros traveling long distances to take advantage of economically destitue young girls and women

and in the U.S., European countries who've historically practiced/practice imperilaist measures against those countries, even some of those who volantarily go into SW are in real danger of being trafficked into sexual slavery, wehre people get them addicted to drugs to make them more docile & prevent them from being able to leave

and there's an "expiration" date for you that you-the-SWer more likely never determined...there's no government-aided "retirement" age or compensation for sex work in most countries -- some SWers are killed when they go past their percieved attractiveness or left to die...and where can they get a job or performe well enough to sustain themselves after months or years of sexual slavery?

even in voluntary SW, the person, esp doing full time SW, has lost years of experience to put on a resume bc SW isn;t somethingnyou put on a resume

And most of these things hold true for medieval SWers, who also numbered teens & children as young as 10 or so. Mysaria comes from this environment, having been a SWers, possibly a sex slave, from Lys. How well would she have avoided doing SW while a dancer, esp when we consider how the 2 activites were often interlocked in several cultures pre-modern era? As acting was in Rome? Mysaria was not toally in control of her own life, as HotD does well to tell us, even if not well to show us.

So yes, Daemon is certainly exploiting this very cancer of his society. And this means that Mysaria, as in the show, went to him to get out of its mire.

taking from the bit I said abt SWers not being able to grow a family of their own--actually systematically denied having a family or to trust in having one (Alayaya & her brothel-owning mother...what mother truly wishes to put her daughter in danger in a world that doesn't prize SW as the Summer Islands do?)

the implication of Mysaria's rage/realization of her being forced into being alone and abused, not even able to have a child to alleviate that loneliness (her being forced to go back to the place that put her into SW AND the journey killing her child) -> "Lady Misery"

remembering who hamliet explained there being a pattern between children and Mysaria HERE

I think now more than ever that Mysaria went after Nettles and more likely did at least make a remark of something like the Brothel Queens thing or was responsible for Helaena's death in telling her about Maelor's death. There was no coercion nor evidence of such happening at any time b/t her and Daemon...but she was being used and was abandoned. There is nothing to suggest that Daemon forced her to "accept" his attraction...but she looked to him for a way out and was punished for it.

Again, at the same time, Mysaria turns her pain & revenge against Rhaenyra & Daemon to targeting Nettles and enabling Blood & Cheese's murder of Jaehaerys. These were of her own volition, her choice. And Daemon WANTED that child, which came with her.

Mysaria's body is a commodity in the sex trade a patriarchy where Daemon benefits sexually & politically much more than she would have, and yes while Daemon complied with Viserys' order and can be argued to deserve his death at her hands, the main direct aggressor towards Mysaria was neither Nettles nor Daemon (again, he was willing and actively accepted Mysaria's kid and was going to take her in) much but Viserys and his need for others to see him as upholding feudal aristocratic deals/the Royce alliance.

You: "She’s different, he would never abandon her to get put on a boat somewhere while he flies off to another person because power is pointing in a different direction."

INCOMING HEADCANON!!!

When Mysaria lost their child, we get this ("A Question of Succession"):

"or else be attainted as a traitor"; "obeyed, though with ill grace"; "spoke of Viserys only with disdain"; "brood day and night on the succession"

There were unfair consequences to her search for happiness with a prince while being a former sex worker and not a noble, but none of that is particularly Daemon's fault.

You imply that it is totally Daemon's fault for Mysaria being exiled to Lys when that shit is on Viserys alone, who ordered her exile. Viserys threatened Daemon with naming him an actual traitor. This could mean that it's on sight for Daemon AND his paramour AND their bastard child, or they are just more at risk because Daemon, their only chance at protection, is himself threatened with one of the highest crimes of a feudal society--treachery against the monarch. Path of least resistance.

I agree that Daemon puts her in the line of danger bc allowing someone like Mysaria to get involved with him while knowing/suspecting Viserys would not approve is much riskier for her than for him.

At the same time, if your king/president/dictator (all in all, a state leader) tells you that you must do a thing you really do not want to do or is against your strongest desires and in anger as if it was a personal affront to you, and they are ready to take more drastic measures to see it done....how likely are you, anon, NOT going to do it? Even if you were as powerful, feared, or respected as Daemon? Especially when that person/leader is your brother/relative and "head" of the society you live in? What if you thought that disobedience would put your kid and its mother more at risk?!

Viserys is king; Daemon, despite being defiant, actually still obeys his orders of exile from KL because he likely doesn't want Viserys to appear even weaker than he already thinks he does by disobeying him--bc that means less for the entire house, which is a huge concern of Daemon. Daemon's not out here looking for power for power's sake--he has done all he did for the sake of a family unit's prosperity, legacy, happiness, and supremacy, which for the Targs is very interconnected as it is for noble houses/feudal aristocratic families like the Hightowers. Otherwise, he'd just stay in KL all the times Viserys exiles him.

At the same time, he's always able & insistent on coming back.

Headcanon time & trying to get into this guy's head: Perhaps from his pattern of coming back after being exiled, he seems to know that if he gives Viserys time and little interaction, Viserys will not be that upset with him for actually coming back...partially bc he knows Viserys actually cares about him and they have mostly had each other since young. So when he gets the order to let Mysaria go, and abandon her & their coming kid, it's because Viserys is king, his brother, his companion as kids, his "charge", and his superior BUT it could also be said that Daemon expected to get Mysaria and their son to come back at a later date.

In other words, there's more to be said than Daemon leaving Mysaria because she was lower-class or a prostitute. Yes, he left her out to dry, & her not being family or a Targ made the decision a little easier as she has no noble family to at least make Viserys think twice.

Mysaria was already in a lower position and vulnerable bc she was not an aristocrat's daughter or of high enough rank, she was a sex worker, AND she was put into a worse position when Viserys wanted her gone and kings have ultimate authority. Plus, once more, what happens to Mysaria here is heartbreaking not only bc she was denied her child/safety from Viserys, but because she chose a path to happiness and security of all her own volition--she did not need to go to Daemon or have a relationship, he never coerced her--but the monarchial system was set against her.

Of course, this part could be just me overgracing Daemon, but it strikes me as odd that Daemon wants his kid with Mysaria to live--he gave her a dragon egg, for godsakes, he was hella proud & excited for this kid, his first would-be child!--that you think the fault of Mysaria's loss and his own loss is entirely on Daemon and not on the person who ordered the separation in the first place. But again, Daemon chose to get Mysaria--the more vulnerable party--involved...

You: "But he did do that, and that’s where Nettles comes in. Daemon groomed Rhaenyra (and arguably also Laena) as a teenager. Daemon is into very questionably young dragonriders because he’s real into Valyria. Nettles is the last one in that pattern, and Daemon running off with this girl who ISNT Valyrian and IS lowborn, gender nonconforming, and “ugly” had to have been more of a betrayal for Rhaenyra psychologically."

No. Daemon did not groom Laena. Daemon met and married Laena shortly after she turned 22-23. She's a grown woman who doesn't have a real care in the world by the time they get together or get to actually know each other.

Grooming involves these:

physically or emotionally separate a victim from those protecting them and often seek out positions in which they have contact with minors

gaining the trust of a potential victim through gifts, attention, sharing “secrets” and other means to make them feel that they have a caring relationship and to train them to keep the relationship secret

will often start to touch a victim in ways that appear harmless, such as hugging, wrestling and tickling, and later escalate to increasingly more sexual contact, such as massages or showering together. Abusers may also show the victim pornography or discuss sexual topics with them, to introduce the idea of sexual contact

behaviors are not only used to gain a victim’s trust but often are used to create a trustworthy image and relationship with their family and community. Child and teen sexual abusers are often charming, kind, and helpful — exactly the type of behavior we value in friends and acquaintances

For him to groom Laena, he had to be at Driftmark for an extended period when she was at her most emotionally/psychologically vulnerable. Where the hell is evidence that Laena was in such a state? The girl was living with her dragon, being a dragon rider and ignoring her Braavosi betrothed--in a word, relatively happy and content.

She was just attracted to Daemon and wanted her betrothed gone, come off it. Maybe you're thinking of HotD, where Laena is younger than Rhaenyra; in F&B, it's the reverse. Blame the TV writers for this change and hypocrisy. Either way, you are denying Laena's agency and the consent given there at the same time by claiming she was groomed or that a 23-year-old is child enough to be groomed.

His and Rhaenyra's relationship is much closer to the definition of grooming by how she was way under 18 when he was giving her gifts and attention after the 111 A.C. tourney. I don't totally knock you for thinking that, he definitely performed manipulation on young Rhaenyra and used her/their bond/her admiration for him. And yes, he is attracted to people of Valyrian descent and those who are dragonriders most of all.

However, I already explained how he didn't groom or was sexually attracted to Nettles in the links all the way above and I gave the link to darklina's "masterpost". And it's not because she is dark-skinned, (to Gyldayn) possibly not "sexually pure" or "ugly" by Westeodsi standards.

Once more, why did Maester Norren say: "I saw the joy go from his eyes, and a sadness descended upon him, like a weight too heavy to be borne." And right after that, Daemon say: "A queen’s words, a whore’s work."

Combine these two things, and we see that Daemon's expressing regret for Rhaenyra's believing in false words and deception, which more than likely means his sexual relationship with Nettle is itself a complete fabrication.

Just because it is Rhaenyra's fear (during a time she was at her most paranoid and afraid of losing more support, emotionally and politically), doesn't mean that it actually going on. That's a huge feature and consequence of paranoia. And suspicion or hatred. What this entire story was about the misogyny against Rhaneyra, the rumors against her sons and herself meant to harm her. What are "facts" in the hands of conspiring or fearful agents but dreams of envy?

You: "Rhaenyra committed to a life with Daemon, he said he was going to fight for her, and it turned into a war that killed all but one of her children (all six of whom she had before she was 30) and a rapidly decaying claim on the power she sacrificed so much for."

...and he did fight for her.

Instead of running off to god knows where he kills Aemond in a battle he cannot win alive AND he is the one who organized or led the murder/kidnapping of Aegon the Elder's son for Lucerys and Rhaenyra's pain. The last part was his way of advocating for her and Lucerys as well as an expression of his own pain. Was it morally wrong, yes? Was it still a reaction to Aemon's murdering Luke and the greens usurping Rhaenyra? Absolutely. Who is to blame for upending the entire kingdom for power & whose line is eradicated for it? The greens/Alicent.

He is the one who says that they shouldn't attack KL immediately in the book after Rhaenys suggests that, and he is the one to advise Rhaenyra to give Ulf/Hugh tracts of land and have them marry the Rosby and Stokeworth girls as rewards.

He's the one who captured Harrenhal for her took KL for her and made sure it was safe to land for her after he tricked Aemond and flew with Rhaenyrs to KL.

From beginning to end, he fought for Rhaenyra and NEVER tried to supersede her authority until she actually began to distrust his fidelity and devotion AND possibly try to have his bio daughter (or mentee/adopted daughter) killed., i.e. reject another of his kids after they have already cultivated a nontraditional family unit? Remember the Viserys forced him to give up his very first child-to-be...

Why are you blaming Rhaenyra's kids' deaths on Daemon of all people?! How the heck was Daemon supposed to magically prevent the greens from plotting behind closed doors or magically tape Alicent's mouth shut, trapping her in her room, etc.--bc you'd have to do that to get her away from Viserys and from influencing the entire court. Did you expect Daemon to fight all the political games for Rhaenyra? That was Rhaenyra's role and her thing for the most part, and why not?

Why would you want to take that way from her to make it "the man's" job, when it simply doesn't fit this guy. Because Daemon, as the man, is supposed to protect her from absolutely everything?! Let Rhaenyra have her agency, please, and recognize that Daemon absolutely supports her without trying to overpower her or make major decisions without her approval.

Finally, "sacrifice" entails that the person marches the victim to death knowing that they will die or be seriously harmed. Rhaenyra at no point was willing or expected to lose any of her kids or pass them in exchange for power. Time and time again, she expressly forbade them from being put in danger, esp after Luyke's unexpected death. The first time leads into what I mentioned above about Daemon saying that the black council needs to form a plan without sending dragon riders to KL to burn it down and the last was when her youngest Velaryon boy Joffrey wanted to go to the Dragonpit to save all their dragons.

No, Rhaenyra's sons were taken from her at her and the blacks' unguarded moments, circumstances where they thought they were safer (Luke was going as an envoy, should have been protected, everyone expected so; Jacaerys died trying to bring his younger brother back and so soon after he had just got the dragon seeds; Joffey sneaked out to ride Syrax not knowing he shouldn't have). Another pattern.

[EDIT (12/20/23)]: I think ] You know, I finally sensed the pattern: you hate Daemon bc you think he failed at being the ultra-protective man's man and making sure he stayed your idea of the ideal family man-warrior. Not because you think he's a predator, but because you think he does not succeed in his self-ordained "duty" and social "duty" to his family....without seeing his own vulnerabilities or disadvantages.

You: "And when bearing this inhuman tidal wave of grief got to be a little too hard for her husband to deal with, he ran off on a probable suicide mission with a plucky and naive 16 year old dragonrider and left his wife and their son out to dry. This is a world-destroying betrayal and revelation to deal with for Rhaenyra..."

And Daemon should what? Travel back to KL to hold her tight & reassure her, when he's on a mission to kill Aemond and ensure Rhaenyra's win? Possibly lose the opp to kill Aemond in his departure?

Isn't that also "treasonous", to abandon your own mission? Again, he died killing the guy who presented one of the biggest obstacles to his wife. What are we saying here? Where are our prioirites or knowledge of the pressures of possible treason, a continuous motif in this story?!

After listing all the problems and challenges Rhaenyra still has after taking KL--one of them being Aemond in the riverlands--this is how he gets to go out with Nettles "Rhaenyra Triumphant":

All the language directs us to see that Rhaenyra is the one to send Daemon out with Nettles to defeat Aemond. Because she was the one giving approval and permission on how to deal with Aemond, Aegon, Storm's end, and all the traitors around her. "Queen Rhaenyra was adamant". It all suggests that this talk occurred in a council meeting. Especially after this, we learn that Alicent heard of Rhaneyra's decision to execute and kill her sons and thus went directly to her to negotiate for their lives. To Rhaenyra.

You: "...and she cannot deal with it, so she just decides to blame Nettles and try to get her killed. She literally cannot believe that her husband would do this to her, it has to be 16 year-old Nettles’ fault, the slut, the tramp, the temptress who led her man astray".

...Saying that misogynoir/blood purity totally comes from grief and paranoia is ridiculous. The paranoia makes her default to this and relies on it, but it doesn't inspire its very existence.

Racism makes you hostile to vulnerable groups and individuals, blaming them for stuff not their fault whatsoever because it reaffirms a sense of privilege, power, and control when they lose things on account of another trait (gender, poverty, instead of race: white poor people are not criminalized/animalized like black "mid-class" or poor people, so poor white people have a sort of "fallback" and expectation of privilege that makes them even more susceptible to rich Republican politicians...it is still a privilege).

Why are we letting Rhaenyra off the hook for her going after Nettles even with her grief? This is where I can't say she was not accountable or that she had a justified excuse. Nettles nor what happens to her should be brushed aside for Rhaenyra's pain, bc Nettles definitely did nothing for her to almost become a victim of Mysaria or Rhaenyra's actions/envy/suspicion.

I am not saying that Rhaenyra didn't have her troubles or that she wasn't plotted against nearly from preteen-hood (I argued that her grief and paranoia are built from these very things multiple times). However, the thing about Rhaenyra's grief is that while it's understandable, we know where it comes from, and it thematically shares some elements as Othello's fears and envy, in the narrative's bones & direction there are inevitable consequences to a distrusting/trusting certain folk (Daemon and Desdemona; Mysaria and Iago) around you or at least thinking your way through solutions in the purely mechanical sense. That is what is tragic about it--the paradoxical nuanced yet simple kind.

[the first example for la-phaecienne of Tumblr] Oedipus didn't know his wife was also his mom Jocasta, but there were consequences to him marrying her & having kids anyway. Achilles didn't know Patrocles would go out in his armor and run towards Hector, but that's what happened and he lost his best friend/lover after he refused to fight for the Greeks in his own prideful, semi-understandable rage against Agamemnon. Antigone buries her relatives despite clear instructions from her superior's orders not to because she thinks it is the only moral thing to do and still loses her life (she was right, too). Compelling stories are those that present us with existential, self-conflicting stories like these where characters struggle to make decisions/advocate for themselves/a particular philosophy/ideology without having critical information, abilities, or resources--whether or not it's their fault or not or being at the right place at the necessary time. There are consequences for one's actions no matter what.

No, race doesn't exist in the exact same way in ASoIaF world as in the real modern world, but we absolutely know that Rhaenyra's publicized reasons for executing Nettles have a lot to do with using the "darker=less attractive and yet also alluring-b/c-so-"different"-so-maybe-witchcraft" ideology that moves white Europeans and white American societies towards developing the Jezebel stereotype. Which is a racial phenomenon and should be treated as such, instead of going in bad faith.

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