#like if there's just 1 ''god'' then it's completely unfathomable to us humans and can't really be considered as one or multiple it's more

[aromanticannibal]

all my childhood I told people I was atheist bc everytime I said I didn't have a religion they said oh, so ur atheist

but like really I do think theres some higher forces and stuff it's just that christianity and islam and judaism and all that jazz don't really vibe with what I think man

#especially since I don't think mostly #like idk if there's IS stuff I think that 1 : #there must be truth in every religion bc everyone of them must have gotten at least one thing right. like idk #2 : omg if there IS stuff it's not me Z gnc child who is going to figure it out I am not the messiah my dudes. #and actually no one is going to figure it out bc. they're literally called higher forces. we are but little dudes running around on a ball #how do you want us dumbasses to figure it out #also i think i don't vibe with the uh. the big 3 I wanna say #bc as far as I'm aware they all have the One Big Dude and like. I don't like. I don't think so #like if there's just 1 ''god'' then it's completely unfathomable to us humans and can't really be considered as one or multiple it's more #like. everything #I do vibe mroe with polytheist (is that how it is english. many big dudes religions) religions #like greek and egyptian mythology always fascinated me especially when I was a kid #just because of the there's a dude for each thing concept #it's why I also like. what's it called. witchcraft thing #I am so sorry I am fucking this up lmao my brain is dead #but like yeah I don't think there's just nothing and the universe as we know it is just the way it is bc idk its just there #like rationally there's a part of me that's like ofc. but I don't like the rational part of me it somehow makes me sense to think there's #Dudes running around #anyways idk what prompted this. #also i know agnostic is a thing I know #also also please do not feel attacked in ur own beliefs truth doesn't flow out of my mouth this is just what I think #it doesn't mean I don't respect others' religions #religion tw #tw religion #tw christianity #religion

[what-do-1000-swords-look-like]

*logs in and sees even more anti-destiel posts*

Must be a day ending in Y.

Here's the thing: ship what you want, don't ship, whatever. That's your right. You also can have opinions on said ships or not shipping something. But for the love of God, can we please stop misrepresenting supposed facts and outright lying? Just because you don't want to acknowledge something present in the show? Or because one of you is super obsessed with Jensen while at the same time hating him because he married someone else and didn't come to sweep you off of your feet because you're his supposed soulmate? (which btw, while very weird in general, what does that even have to do with destiel? why are you even weighing in when it's clear that you're only saying what YOU believe while trying to speak for him as if you two are a single unit? It's creepy and makes no sense. Keep your obsession in check, please)

Alright, let's get started:

1) Jensen's actual words:

Firstly, if you're going to quote someone and state their opinion on the matter as FACT, let's not only get the source right but also list it so people can see what the person had to say for themselves so they can not only get the actual facts but come to their own conclusions (critical thinking, remember?). It's literally a link you can put into the post from YouTube, it's not rocket science last I checked.

29:35 is where it starts

A woman asks when did Jensen know about Cas' "romantic, deep love" for Dean before 15x18. Meaning when he did know bts as an actor.

Jensen's answer: "I don't think Dean ever really knew until the very end there." -- not only does he not answer the question in its original form (and hey, it's a con, it's loud, tons of people there waiting for his answer, he probably wasn't prepared for this question, etc - so I get it, I'm not criticizing him, I'm just stating facts), he responds initially for Dean, not himself.

But in this initial answer, he even acknowledges what the woman just said. "Romantic, deep love" -> "I don't think Dean ever really knew until the very end there." LITERALLY RIGHT THERE - Dean didn't know it until it was said

No matter what comes after this from him, Jared, or even what Jensen has said at cons afterwards, his answer literally confirms what she just said, and that answer is what popped first into his mind.

Then, prepare to have your mind blown antis, he confirms it AGAIN: "In fact, I know he didn't, because I didn't play that." -> he played Dean as not knowing about Cas' "romantic, deep love"

Only then does he start to delve into talking about the term romantic with Jared interrupting. But he confirmed it TWICE with his own words. That doesn't nullify his opinion or his perspective on the relationship, but it does confirm that was the intention of the scene.

And again, the question was about when they knew bts about Cas' "romantic, deep love" for Dean, not what Dean felt, not what type of love Jensen considers it to be (or Jared), not whether romance was meant to be in the show or not. Through his own words, he confirms it. Twice. (watch it again)

2) Types of love:

I can't believe this is even a point some people have tried to make in attempting to invalidate the scene from 15x18 but it's 2023 and here we are.

Philia love is platonic/friendly love. (click on the links - since it was mentioned that Cas only has angelic/heavenly/brotherly love for Dean and Castiel's angel character is loosely based on Christian traditions, I chose the same Christian perspective in these links) Storge love is the love of family or brotherly love.

Agape love is NOT brotherly love. (if you're going to use these terms and claim you're an expert, perhaps learn what they mean first?) Agape love is a God-like love of humans, completely unfathomable.

All of this is easily searchable. Google is your friend.

Now agape is the closest to what Jensen says later in that panel (though it changes to philia mixed with storge in a later con) though he did not use that specific term. However:

The scene was written and performed with romantic intentions from Castiel's side. This is confirmed time and time again.

And since a lot of anti-Destielers tend to be anti Misha as well (and accuse him of placating, lying, and being downright manipulative when it comes to this topic), here are some other confirmations:

The script is available online (again, Google is your friend) and you can read it for yourself. Robert Berens, the screenwriter, wrote the script (and it was greenlit by Andrew Dabb, the showrunner, and kept in the episode with the network, Singer, and WB giving it the green light after reviewing it before it aired) with Castiel's confessing his romantic love for Dean. It's right there.

If it's not romantic, then why can't Dean "recriprocate"? Why is he shocked at the "declaration from his best friend"? Why is it Cas' "hidden truth"? If it's just platonic from Cas' side or familial or even a God-like love of a human then why all of these factors mentioned in the script to help guide Jensen and Misha in performing the scene? You know why. And one of these antis is the supposed acting expert in the fandom? Puhlease.

How's that for "script analysis"?

Not to mention, since it's clear these same antis don't know a thing about writing and how it actually works, why was this scene a part of Castiel's arc that connects back to his arc in season 15?

3:49 - "I know who you love"

Yep, they weren't planning the confession back then, but when the showrunner and the writing team did start planning the end of the character's journey going into season 15, this ties up Castiel's arc neatly and it's perfect foreshadowing. Right down to The Empty's involvement. And they tied it up this way why? To make sense with events that came before it so a visible narrative is present for this character's journey as well as showing his development. (that's literally writing 101 btw)

There's a shit ton more I could throw into this post but I think I've made my point. So the next time antis decide to sit there and scold people who ship/celebrate Destiel and tell them that they don't understand "script analysis" like you do or how dare they twist Castiel's love for Dean into something it's not because you're playing megaphone-turned-into-a-wannabe-parrot for Jensen (aka your point of unhealthy fixation) because Castiel only meant it as an angel, perhaps don't. Or at least look up the facts first before you spout off any of that nonsense. You've had no problem saying Jensen needs to take an acting lesson or two because he's basic and dilutes his characters while also having one note acting, so maybe you should take a writing lesson or two. 🤷‍♂️ Seems fair.

Think whatever you want about Dean and how he regards Castiel's romantic confession, or how Jensen sees it, or whatever you need to tell yourself since it was left ambiguous, but don't you dare sit there and tell people they're wrong for reading Castiel's love the way it was written, performed, and intended to be perceived -> romantic. Or imply that they lack a basic understanding of love, condescend to them to have to explain it to them as if they're idiots, and falsely accuse them of maliciously twisting your fantasy beloved's Jensen's words. Especially when it's very easily proven that the only ones in the wrong here are you, and this is very clearly a "you" issue.

It happened.

It was romantic.

Get over it.

#you've got some nerve scolding people #script analysis my ass #what a way to insult not only fans but also everyone who worked on that show INCLUDING JENSEN #destiel #deancas #dean x cas #spnposts #spn #destielposts #they always tell destiel shippers to get over it and the show's not changing when it comes to dean #same goes for them when it comes to cas #cas loves dean #antis need to gtfo it already #anti antis #writers and actors seriously do not get enough credit #it was true even before the strikes #imagine being so caught up in your fantasy of Jensen that you willfully act like a bullying asshole to fans on his behalf #over something that's been done for 3 years #couldn't be me #anti hologramcowboy

[fairycosmos]

agree on the indifferent universe!

1. we truly are just animals given the misfortune of sentience. we put a lot of meaning into our actions when in reality everything we hold dear to our hearts is meaningless or will age into meaninglessness as generations pass. i hate nihilism and think it’s a blight because i’ve seen edgelords use it as an excuse to be assholes but, yeah. life’s russian roulette and most of us are hoping that we don’t get the bullet or we’re anticipating it because civilization has cornered us and we can no longer correct centuries of developing mistakes. forced to suffer a lifetime of the consequences and all that.

2. but if the universe was somehow aware or divine then it wouldn’t care about us. same thing with god. why would either even be noticeable by us, even if they currently existed? it’s the universe and the concept of god; they’d 100% be an abstraction beyond what we could ever hope to comprehend and because of that nature alone they would literally not care about us. why would something divine and all-knowing have any need for committing good or bad deeds? god could literally be everything and everything right now and it wouldn’t give a shit either way.

LITERALLY let me eat this ask and get it tattooed on my insides please. it encapsulates the two perspectives that are always fighting like blood hungry sharks in my skull so well. i think we project sooo much importance onto ourselves and i get why but it totally blinds us to how small we are like unfathomably small. and accidental. and the end is already written, and it doesn't make a difference either way. we matter because this is our world and we matter to each other of course of course of COURSE. but beyond that we're just rather rudimentary lifeforms still in our infancy, basically the size of bacteria relative to the universe. i don't think that means we don't count for something, i just don't think we're as prevalent in the grand scheme as we want to believe. small tangent but honestly realizing life is a total gamble like you said, and fully understanding the implications of that, and the complete "act" of those around me was such a jolt in my adolescence lmfao i have not felt comfortable or relaxed since. i guess we are the universe as much as as anything else is and we are aware of ourselves so it's like the universe recognizing itself through us (or as us) which is a nice thought to me. but yeah if there's any higher "meaning" or "being" or "answer" i also believe it will be an abstraction so great the human brain can't comprehend it and also that the human brain will not be all that significant to it

#tbh i think if there is some god that is hyperfocused on us and breathing down our necks and Watching us then i am scared that is not good #or fun or reassuring to me #anon