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boleynecklace · 3 months

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On September 21 1578, Robert Dudley married Lettice Knollys in a secret ceremony, it had been secretive that only his chaplain and his friends were informed of it the day before. The Earl of Leicester was marrying the woman Elizabeth I had dubbed "the She-Wolf", the Queen herself was filled with rage upon learning about their marriage that she banished Lettice from court, however she was able to rekindle with Dudley later on.

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earlymodernbarbie · 10 months

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“There is nothing I do better than revenge…”

@dailytudors ’s Tudor Week Day One: Fave Tudor Rivalry: Elizabeth I and Lettice Knollys

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elizabethtudorstuff · 3 months

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i love the name Lettice so much bc tudor history, don't even care about the person i just love LETTICE but i'm afraid if I name my daughter that (if I ever have kids) then they'll call her lettuce

#the lettuce treatment #lettice knollys #i'll probably just name one of my story characters that ngl

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captmuldoon · 2 years

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The way some ppl in the tag are already talking about Elizabeth and Dudley and Amy is making me very, VERY glad that this show will not come close to touching Lettice Knollys

#becoming elizabeth #lettice knollys #ive already seen the way some of these blogs talk about lettice and it is YIKES #im not really interested in these characters in general but like...its historical ships...just have fun with them???#anyway lettice knollys had a fulfilling and loving marriage and then had a young bf as a widow and died in her 90s #and you know what? good for her

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merskrat · 2 years

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It’s wild to me that Elizabeth I banished Lettice Knollys from court after Robert Dudley married her. Like she was not even trying to hide the fact that she was so in love with Dudley, not to mention that Robert himself decided to marry a woman who was not only closely related to Elizabeth but looked very similar to her. I fully believe that Lettice was much more closely related to Elizabeth than what is generally accepted. She was Elizabeth’s aunt’s granddaughter, but I find it very likely that she was also Henry VIII granddaughter with that “Tudor red” hair. Henry never claimed any of Mary Carey’s children as his own, and in fact couldn’t claim children born within the confines of Mary’s marriage to her husband, but come on. They literally looked SO similar and I don’t see how that could have happened via the darker Boleyn complexion.

Anyway, soon after Lettice and Robert’s secret marriage, TONS of her ladies in waiting started marrying in secret as Elizabeth slowly lost control of them. It’s not even that they wanted to hide it from her, but they needed her permission in order to marry and she said no in almost every single situation. It’s as if Elizabeth felt that if she was denied marriage, then so should everyone. It was of course her choice not to marry, but she had seen how marriage had ruined her sister, killed her mother and several of her stepmothers, and she was terrified of dying during childbirth, or even experiencing it. I think she was wise not to risk her life, but she certainly developed a complex regarding marriage.

#elizabeth i #robert dudley #lettice knollys #anne boleyn #mary i #mary tudor #elizabeth tudor #henry viii #henry tudor #tudor history #royal history

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inky-duchess · 4 months

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Hello Duchess, i was watching a video on ladies in waiting and it got me thinking; were there any famous ladies in waiting?

Oh, tons of them.

Anne Boleyn, Katherine Parr, Jane Seymour, Catherine Howard, Joan Bulmer, Mary Carey, Jane Rochford, Catherine Willoughby, Jane Dormer, Kat Ashley, Anna Vyrubova, Marie Therese Princess of Lamballe, Mary Dudley, Anne Basset, Yolande de Polastron Duchesse of Polignac, Lettice Knollys, Mary Seaton, Mary Fleming, Mary Beaton, Mary Livingston, Sophie Buxhoeveden, Margaret Bryan, Eleanor Duchess of Gloucestershire, Anne Hastings, Sarah Duchess of Malborough, Margaret Pole, Maria de Salinas, Maud Green, Anne Herbert, Jacquetta of Luxembourg, Mary Howard, Margaret Beaufort, Madame de Montespan.

#ask answered

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brokenbluebouquet · 17 days

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Lucy Percy Hay, Countess of Carlisle (1599-1660), Van Dyck c1637, private collection.

Her father was the so called “wizard Earl” Henry Percy Earl of Northumberland and her mother Dorothy Deveraux one of the Earl of Essex’s sisters. Dorothy in turn was the daughter of Lettice Knollys, who was herself in turn the daughter of Catherine Carey the daughter of Mary Boleyn - sister of Anne Boleyn and aunt of Elizabeth I - and maybe Henry VIII himself depending on if you think he was Catherine Carey’s father or not.

Despite this illustrious linage, Lucy’s childhood was overshadowed by her fathers incarceration in the Tower of London for his alleged role in the gunpowder plot, and the collapse of her parents marriage. At age 17 Lucy eloped with James Hay, Viscount Doncaster, a member of James Is bedchamber and minor favorite who was twice her age and a widower with children. Although she claimed to be in love with him, it’s just as likely Lucy saw James Hay as her ticket out of the tower and to court.

Around 1620 it’s believed that Lucy became lovers with the then Marquis of Buckingham, with her husbands approval - George was the key to the king and to favors. The gamble paid off as the Doncasters were created Earl and Countess of Carlisle about this time. Lucy and George would remain involved until his death in 1628. Her husband James died in 1632 leaving Lucy a wealthy, well-connected, child-free widow; and a major figure at Charles I’s court as the sometimes ally, sometimes frenemy of the Queen. She was said to be one of the great beauties and wits of the era, and her salon was a major hub of political networking and literary patronage. She was also, despite her reputation for libertinage, something of a puritan.

The above painting was a gift for another rumored lover; Thomas Wentworth, Earl of Stafford, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.

During the civil war Lucy developed a reputation for playing both sides for the middle, eventually returning to the tower for involvement in conspiracies against the newly established commonwealth. She died of a stroke in 1660, her days of glory long behind her.

There has never been a proper biography or study of Lucy and her career, despite being one of the major political influence brokers, intelligence agents, and cultural patrons of the age. Instead, Lucy is mostly remembered today as the potential inspiration for Milady de Winter from The Three Musketeers, along with a number of other salacious stories of varying accuracy, such as supposedly informing the five MPs of their impending arrest in 1642. Due to the fact few of her papers have survived, getting to the woman behind the sensational legends is not easy.

#Lucy countess of Carlisle #george villiers #duke of buckingham #james i #charles i #henrietta maria #Robert deveraux #the three musketeers #milady

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period-dramallama · 10 months

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Legacy review: part 3

Men Be Normal About Elizabeth I Challenge

Lettice Knollys: *marries Robert Dudley*

Susan Kay:

Susan Kay really doesn’t like poor Lettice Knollys, does she? It’s giving very “how DARE she intrude upon my OTP” vibes. Nearly everything is wrong with Lettice- she’s horny, she’s vain, she’s disloyal yadayadayada.

“and for years he had dreamed of raping her”- Susan, ‘I love you so much I don’t want to rape you anymore’ is not nearly as romantic as you seem to think it is.

Usually the assumption in Robert/Elizabeth romance is that if they bang at all it’s in the 1560s when they’re young and hot so it’s nice to have Elizabeth have sex later in life for a change. It makes sense for Elizabeth to be ready once she’s coming up to menopause and doesn’t have to worry about conception.

WHAT.

Slapping Elizabeth for saying she’s going to marry Alencon?? He’s throttling her?? He’s calling her a stupid woman?! She’s OK with that?!

She plans to have his son and pass him off as Alencon’s?! Elizabeth would never do that!

I’m going to have to deduct points for this insanity. INSANITY, i say.

All that build up to show Elizabeth’s trauma and now she’s cool with her man throttling her out of anger??

Two pages ago everything was great....we had a good sex scene and now Susan is clubbing her book to death and i’m just...

“He put his hand gently beneath her chin and raised her face to his. ‘Your life’ he said slowly ‘the continuance of your reign is the only thing that matters now in England. And if it costs the death of Campion and a thousand like him it will be worth it.... In my arms all your enemies are defeated.”

Oh NOW we have Robert Dudley no no no it’s fine i’m cool i’m cool

Overall, I’d say this book has complex characterisation....most of the time. Elizabeth, Dudley, William Cecil, Mary (both of them), Henry, Edward & Thomas Seymour, Essex, they are 3 dimensional. Lettice, Anne Stanhope, Anne Boleyn, Walsingham- not so much. Walsingham is basically a caricature, “bloodless” “cold and sly and fanatical” . To say his work was “received without gratitude” is a little harsh. He was not a close friend of Elizabeth’s but she did stay at his house, Barn Elms, and she did judge him worthy of a nickname “Moor”. We do know that he was friends with Dudley and Cecil, Cecil consoled Walsingham when his daughter Mary died aged 7 in 1580, and lamented the passing of a good friend and colleague in 1590. Walsingham had a dry sense of humour, he bought Italian wine and plants and owned a clavichord. There’s no excuse for saying his “few emotional needs were satisfied by the fierce demands of his work” because we’ve known since at least the 1970s that that’s not true. Yes, he was more Protestant than Elizabeth and he had a providential view of history (like Dudley himself!) but that doesn’t mean he believed “he had been personally singled out by God”. Yeah he died broke, but a lot of that was just bad accounting lol.

Also it’s Gilbert Gifford not John Gifford hoowwwwwww do you mess that up.

The matter of Dudley’s short-lived son is sad but in summary.

Elizabeth on drugs...sad or funny? I’ll go with sad. Elizabeth bordering on atheism...I’ll excuse it because she’s so jaded.

Robert missing Elizabeth in the Netherlands is lovely but “home was always you” clashes with “for years I wanted to rape you because you were my obsession.” I’m not saying love has to be portrayed as healthy, but these two statements conflict.

Cuddly supportive middle-aged Leicester 1586 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>young aggressive rapey Leicester 1560s-1580s

Susan Kay talking about Leicester’s podgy dad bod like it’s a minus and not a plus

“She never had one, did you know that? He gave her a coronation but not a decent burial” saddest line in the whole book. Elizabeth remembering that her mother’s executioner was paid £23 6s 8d...ahhhhhh. Dudley holding her tightly- that’s it! More of that please! That’s what we needed the whole time! Weirdly heart warming in a dark way that he’s urging her to assassinate Mary.

“January crawled into February on leaden feet” *chef’s kiss*.

“’We’re all in this together,’ Burghley insisted steadily.

Elizabeth’s life versus Elizabeth’s sanity- excellent.

Part 4 of the book ends with Dudley’s death- predictable. but predictable because competent. Will I miss Dudley when he’s gone? Jury’s out. Probably I’ll miss him because he is replaced with Robert “we have Dudley at home” Devereux. “crimes against humanity” stop with the anachronisms Susan!

The realism of trying to distract Elizabeth from her depression: good.

Philip would consider the anti Christ a man, and i think it does both him and Elizabeth a disservice to make the vendetta almost completely personal. Philip was not an incel. Elizabeth had cost him millions of ducats in military expenses, persecuted Catholics, intervened in the Netherlands, helped herself to some of his treasure ships- and she had reasons to do that, obviously. Also Phil seems to have forgotten that Elizabeth’s preservation was in his own best interests too- but I get why time and spite would make him forget that. Philip did have presence of his own though- Elizabeth’s eyes were unnerving, but so were his! He wasn’t just a bureaucrat. He was a commanding presence, partly because he was so quiet. And yeah, “Gloriana” is a cooler nickname than “El Prudente” but Phil did not entirely lack reputation.

“My eyes are closed forever and I am blind” I see what you did there.

“How dare you desert your people in their hour of triumph to mope over a dead rat who was never worth a tinker’s curse alive?”

Cecil absolutely deserved to get shredded for that. Absolute idiocy on his part. What you doing boi.

There is an anachronism when Essex thinks of Elizabeth as an ice queen with a splinter of ice in her heart- unless there’s a sixteenth century source for that, the Snow Queen was written by Hans Christian Anderson centuries later.

Elizabeth: I’m haunted by Mary Stuart’s ghost

also Elizabeth: anyway time to wear Mary Stuart’s looted black pearls.

Cecil complains about having no salary...that’s not how Tudor government worked. Susan you really ought to have read Penry Williams’ The Tudor Regime (1979).

Essex “was not troubled by its unnatural overtones, for he never even noticed them”. This boi I swear would be in a horror movie, hear a weird spooky noise, and go “hello? is anyone there?”.

What is this jealousy bullshit? Elizabeth always punished courtiers for marrying without permission. It’s the done thing. Phil did the same thing and nobody is calling HIM jealous.

Cecil’s veiled insult with the psalms was great, especially as the real guy regularly reread his psalter. I think once a month? But regularly. So that’s 100% something he would do.

A little hiccup with the timeline: Elizabeth’s 40th anniversary on the throne would be November 1598- AFTER the deaths of Phil and Cecil.

Cecil and Phil as “my best friend and my best enemy.” Yes. Thank you. That’s the truth right there.

“A bitter old maid- everything she said and did supported that image.” I disagree. Also Essex is one of those men who see make up as cheating. But I think Essex’s characterisation is very good: he genuinely admires and cares about the queen he just misunderstands their relationship. Because he’s an idiot.

I think too much blame in this novel is given to Elizabeth for Essex’s mistakes. He IS an idiot. His prefrontal cortex is woefully underdeveloped. His immaturity would always be a problem.

“he had not lost his manhood in the Queen’s service- he had simply never attained it; she had warped and stunted his natural growth.” C’mon now, he wasn’t a child. When Leicester died he was 22-23. When Essex was beheaded he was 35-36. To put that in perspective, Catherine Parr died at 36 and Elizabeth of York at 37. He had plenty of time to become as mature as those women- he didn’t.

This novel suffers from a bit too much predestination. No, Essex’s execution was not inevitable because of Elizabeth’s trauma. he had free will. she had free will. Essex’s story is so much more interesting if it’s his choices that matter. Making it inevitable because of *spins wheel* Anne’s execution in 1536 undermines that.

I like it when Elizabeth has a touch of the supernatural about her, at least in the eyes of other people (Dudley, Phil, Mary) but it can go too far. It takes agency from her and her skills and gives all the power to luck/fortune/god/the devil.

The ending is also well-written.

#legacy #historical fiction #i'll do a full summary of my opinion as a sep post #book reviews

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boleynecklace · 22 days

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nicole kidman + art (love's shadow by frederick sandys, 1867. lettice knollys by george gower, 1585. in the grass by arthur hughes, 1865.)

#nicole kidman #actors #preraphaelite art #tudor era art #preraphaelite #renaissance art #portrait of a lady #lettice knollys #my stuff #portraits #paintings #actresses #photoshoots #nkidmanedit #nkidmansource

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earlgodwin · 4 months

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Question!

I love The Borgias but in a way I’ve always found it hard to start The Tudors because for some reason I have a “feeling” that it is very different (though I think I am just attached to The Borgia family themselves ). Thoughts on The Tudors ? :)

obviously i'm obsessed with the borgias but i also find the tudors dynasty fascinating as well! (specifically when it revolves around anne boleyn, henry viii, elizabeth i, robert dudley, lettice knollys and amy dudley) i've had so much fun digging into the tudors lore! if you haven't seen the show 'the tudors (2007-2010)' then you really should! it's brilliantly written and natalie dormer as anne boleyn is a force, an absolutely phenomenal performance <3

#brimstone-girl #messages

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amuseoffyre · 1 year

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With colleague and I being back in the office together, she’s now having to deal with my regular info dumps again 😅

This week has so far included: aspects of the Jacobite risings, the Zong massacre, the speculative lineage of Lettice Knollys, how to transport swords through customs, the history of the so-called ‘Irish system’ of Christian schools being used as a weapon of colonisation, the government approved abduction and enslavement of Roma people and poor people in Scotland in the 1680s to fill the growing number of Caribbean/North American plantations, the sinking of the Arandora Star in WWII and a fair whack about Arthur Conan Doyle.

Never let it be said I do not share information 🤣

#research party!

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withinycu · 3 months

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Re-watched Becoming Elizabeth and realized Robert Dudley's marriage to Amy is basically how his marriage to Lettice Knollys played out. In that he married abruptly and in secret And idk why this is so hilarious to me especially because the way it's framed in Becoming Elizabeth he does it to spite Elizabeth. Like is this just going to be a serial thing with him???????

#so very ooc

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ecoamerica · 2 months

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starwarsiscoolngl · 9 months

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some Tudor incorrect quotes i have ✨generated✨

Amy Robsart: sees Robert Dudley and Elizabeth together Amy Robsart: They're cute. I would put them on a boat. Lettice Knollys : You mean… you ship them?

Edward VI, writing in their diary with a glitter gel pen: I'm losing my sense of humanity. Nothing matters. God is dead. There's blood on my hands.

Catherine Parr: Raisins. It's nature's candy.

Elizabeth: I called you like ten times! Why didn’t you pick up?

Robert Dudley: *remembers dancing to the ringtone*

Robert Dudley: I didn’t hear it.

Henry VIII: Christmas is canceled.

Mary: You can't cancel a holiday.

Henry VIII: Keep it up, Mary, and you'll lose New Year's too.

Mary: What does that mean?

Henry VIII: Edward, take New Year's away from Mary.

Edward VI: My dad has a spiked collar.

Edward VI: *dog

Jane Grey: Don't ask me what I'm talking about. I don't know, okay? I'm just the vessel. The message has been given. I've moved on.

Mary: gets set on fire and screams in agony Mary: Nah, I’m just kidding. Fire does nothing to me.

#Tudors #tudor memes #incorrect quotes

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endlessly-cursed · 2 years

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𝑾𝑶𝑴𝑬𝑵 𝑾𝑯𝑶 𝑹𝑨𝑵 𝑾𝑰𝑵𝑩𝑶𝑼𝑹𝑵𝑬 𝑶𝑵 𝑻𝑯𝑬𝑰𝑹 𝑶𝑾𝑵 𝑹𝑰𝑮𝑯𝑻/ 𝑻𝑶𝑶𝑲 𝑶𝑽𝑬𝑹 𝑻𝑯𝑬𝑰𝑹 𝑩𝑹𝑶𝑻𝑯𝑬𝑹𝑺 𝑶𝑹 𝑺𝑶𝑵𝑺

Ipolytta Howard, 1525-1548

The Tudor court was full of intrigue and death, and when Ipolytta's brother-in-law Edward Somerset died in very mysterious circumstances and her husband Thomas was sickly and unfit to run the estate, a pregnant Ipolytta acted as who would be her son John Somerset until he came of age. She was a patron of the arts and music and soon hosted illustrious people from all over Europe and proved to be an erudite, proud and pragmatic Lady, and her efforts and good education of her son would lead King Henry VIII to give them the title of Viscounts.

*portrayed by Alice Nokes in The Spanish Princess

Elizabeth Somerset, 1598-1608

One of Winbourne's great beauties, daughter of John Somerset and mother of Guildford Somerset, she was clever, well-educated and thanks to her appealing to the Queen, she drove Winbourne to a golden age. Sadly, she died in 1608 giving birth to a stillborn daughter. Young Guildford was left motherless and the aging John stooped in, outliving her by 12 years, the oldest living Viscount, dying at 74

*portrayed by Abbie Cornish at Elizabeth: The Golden Age

Joanna Knollys, 1688-1693

Descendat of Lettice Knollys, second wife of Robert Dudley, she was one of the best dedicated women in England, and had been said that fathered a son with Charles II. At the death of her husband hours after having given him the desired son by gout, she'd take the reins over Winbourne and be called My Lady, the Viscountess Mother, almost the same as Viscountess on her own right, though her son wouldn't become Viscount, but instead her grandson, George. She herself picked his bride and ensured the two of them sired an heir before she was gone.

*portrayed by Michelle Jenner in TVE Isabel

Juliana Somerset, 1697

Chivalrous, bold, energetic and brave, Juliana, firstborn daughter of Joanna took over for her still toddler brother, though she didn't last long, for she died under suspicious circumstances, fallen off a horse, though her half brother might've staged this until a new Viscount ascended. She had planned to be Viscountess herself.

*portrayed by Maimie McCoy in The Musketeers

Marie Elisabeth Somerset, 1701-1720

The first Viscountess of Winbourne in her own right, daughter of Juliana, she quickly took over power and imprisoned her mother's killer and ran the estate until she died, passing the viscountcy to her son, who'd take over until George turned 15. She was quick-witted, strong, loved politics and was one of the wealthiest landowners of the country

Genoveva Palacios, 1774-1796

With smallpox wiping out most of the population, Genoveva found herself with two grandchildren to take care of while herself at the old age of 50. In her youth, she had been the perfect Rococo lady, enchanting the Viscount of Winbourne and being the first Spanish woman to be a Viscountess of Winbourne. She took her role very seriously and soon gained political and, with the help of her Spanish family, she was capital in persevering her legacy.

*portrayed by Hannah James in Outlander

Victoria Somerset, 1878-1899

Not expected to run Winbourne, she took over as the new viscountess in 1878 after her brother George died in battle and his wife, Alina, had given birth to a stillborn son whom they illegally baptised as Octavian, hinting at George and Alina's desire to have at least eight children. She proved to be cunning, erudite, wise beyond her years, promoted women's education and rights, was the first one to marry for love and out of the peerage rather than into the peerage. She had ambitious plans for her daughter, and aimed to betroth her to the Prince and duke of Alderly, but her husband instead betrothed her with the illegitimate son of a viscount as well, the Lord Carlisle. She modernized Winbourne, took it to a new golden age and was one of the most beloved ladies of Winbourne by her tennats. She died of a stroke in 1899, the year where her only living daughter turned 18. She had been sick for years and, following the stubbornness and strength of the deceased Willian IV, she could manage to live until her daughter's coming of age so her cousin, the Tory duke of Burlingham wouldn't take power and possibly annex Winbourne to his dukedom by marrying Primrose. She was the most cried Viscountess in the history of the estate.

*portrayed by Emily Blunt in The Young Victoria

Primrose Gray, 1900-1958

The only surviving daughter of Victoria, her birth was the most celebrated by the people, and the most educated lady of Winbourne and deeply loved by everybody, and a very auspicious match due to her extreme wealth that had only improved since the Elizabethan Era. She went on to marry as well and had five children that went on to marry into the peerage and wealthy Wizarding World families. Her great-great-great granddaughter would be the next Viscountess on her own right.

*portrayed by Anna Popplewell in Reign and Claire Foy in The Crown

#hogwarts legacy #hphl #oc: primrose sabrina gray #harry potter: hogwarts legacy #character building #character development

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outrowingss · 2 years

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I’ve always loved the Tudor era and history but mostly from afar. I just bought one of Alison Weir’s books literally yesterday and now I’m seeing that maybe she isn’t the most truthful… :( do you have authors you do recommend that are easily accessible? Or some favorite books for someone like me to get started?

Hi Anon!

I was an enjoyer from afar until very recently as well! I also started off with Alison Weir books and there’s nothing wrong with reading and enjoying her books, but just take what she says with a pinch of salt because she is a bit infamous for making things up.

To be honest most of my Tudor books are centred around Elizabeth I but i do have a couple of others! Estelle Paranque is one of my favourite historians when it comes to Elizabeth, her book Blood, Fire and Gold is pretty accessible, this book mainly focuses on the relationship between Elizabeth and Catherine de Medici (it is already out if you are in the UK and available in most Waterstones and i believe it comes out in the US next month?). I also like Elizabeth I by Anne Somerset, this one is sold by Amazon. Also Elizabeth: Apprenticeship by David Starkey is pretty accessible, unfortunately Starkey himself is a horrid racist but his research and work into the Thomas Seymour incident is some of the better accounts.

For non-Elizabeth, i quite liked Young, Damned and Fair by Gareth Russell, i don’t agree with all of his points but it is a good starting point if you want to look into Katherine Howard and is pretty accessible. The Seymour’s of Wolf Hall is also a good starting point for the Seymour family. Joanne Paul’s The House of Dudley is a fairly recent release and if you want to look into the Dudley family. I also really like Sarah Gristwood as a historian, her book Elizabeth and Leicester is great and she also has a newer book called The Tudors in Love. Nicola Tallis’ books are pretty accessible as well, i enjoyed her book Crown of Blood which is a biography on Lady Jane Grey, she also has biographies of Margaret Beaufort and Lettice Knollys which i have not yet read but they are on my TBR.

That’s all i can really think of just now i really hope i have not overwhelmed you hahah, if anyone else has any other accessible Tudor book recs please feel free to add.

#answers

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royal-confessions · 2 years

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“I think Lettice Knollys was Elizabeth I's niece and that's what made her so hurt by Lettice's perceived betrayal of her (on top of everything else going on with that love triangle). Lettice's mother Catherine looks a lotttt like a young Elizabeth (and obviously Cath's mum had that affair with King Henry).” - Submitted by Anonymous

#Queen Elizabeth I

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