#kurta clan theory

[dissonance-in-a-major]

(hxh) PHANTOM TROUPE // KURTA CLAN theory

...debunking PT did it

So let me preface this by saying this was 100% inspired by a tiktok comment in a hxh phantom troupe's religious symbolism video back in 2021 (:/). The person who commented made such an impact I screenshotted their comments which unfortunately are not in correct order and messaged them this year (i just know they think im weird) but they never responded. I'd give their @ but its their government name (I take it) so msg me for deets. All credit goes to them as I'm just polishing and tidying these thoughts.

First op talks about Meteor City, a junkyard city inhabited by outcasts. People who live there do not exist on any official records and are treated horribly from the outside, people are taken from Meteor City for crimes, prostitution, slavery and no one's doing a thing to stop it. People go outside and face racism, like the one guy accused of a crime he didnt commit and when the truth is shown no one does anything (think op meant The Bum Incident, vol 11, Chapter 102). These people get no justice, they're just used and this is where the duality of Chrollo comes in, he is a demon to the outside world because he is challenging the gods but also a Jesus figure for the underprivileged Meteor City. Even his reverse St Peters Cross on his jacket means that he feels unworthy to be crucified in the same manner as Jesus. Thats his way of saying he doesnt see himself as worthy of savior. His priority is the Troupe so they can together be seen to the outside world, they are literally a troupe of phantoms, trying to be recognized. This is why when he asks Neon if she believes in ghosts and she says no, she is the oppressor that doesn't understand the one hurt.

If you read the story with this idea in mind you start to observe that the Troupe only attacks people hazardous for the City (mafia, ants) or when they want revenge for one of them killed so its weird they are presented in a positive almost heroic light. Only exception that sticks out to the story? Kurta massacre.

The og commenter wondered why it was that the Troupe was always presented in a positive light. We've known the Phantom Troupe does acts of good alongside the bad but we also haven't seen anything entirely "evil" commited by any of them yet. Most of the legends surrounding them are hearsay. And though they could have easily killed Gon and Killua, they don't, twice. Also, Uvogin when taken by mafia/Kurapika says if freed, they wouldn't hurt them as they are not the target.

Op comments on how narrative should be filtered as its being commented via Gon- a non objective source, they claim that the 1st arc feels like a kid show whereas chimera arc feels dark, thats not to say it is actually like that but as Gon's perspective changes so does the narration. At first when innocent people die, he doesnt really care but in chimera we need a narrator to explain as Gon is too biased at that point. Regarding the massacre we only have Kurapika's word but what we are being told/shown about the Troupe is different. The characters talk about the Kurta massacre, how horrible and brutal it was but the narrative is keen and favors the Troupe, it paints them in a favorable light and why should the narrative do that, they don't become better people like the Ants after all.

From the moment they appear on screen, the narrative wants us to see them as underprivileged, both in York New and in the ship, even when they're fighting in Meteor City, they're fighting for injustice or when somebody hurts them. Then why justify their actions everytime they appear on screen if they massacred the Kurta Clan? If they are responsible for this why make them the underprivileged representation? Both Kurta and Troupe says the op are ostracized by the outside and seen less from people.

Say they did it. 3 ideas were proposed as to why.

1. for the eyes (Chrollo likes the eyes, like Hisoka said but Hisoka is a liar and also Chrollo has never shown interest in the show for them. For someone who steals things he likes, why make an exception and murder here?)

2. for money (that's not correct, we are told multiple times they don't care about it, neither money nor fame, they want to be recognized by the world but how would that work by killing a clan that's been hidden for 100 years, they dont get anything out of it.)

3. for revenge: Revenge for what? Kurta are a peaceful clan that hide for years. We know the Troupe left a note that is the motto of Meteor City (I'm adding here what op referred to: "we reject no one so take nothing from us"). Op says note means they serve justice to their city, when someone takes things away from them so what did Kurta take? From the thematic and narrative point they are not set up to have done it, op thinks thats 100% intentional.

Like said above, BOTH have the thematic of oppression from the outside world, they are a commodity for the rich and powerful (gods) but why is Phantom Troupe put in the light of both, the oppressor and the oppressed? Why would an oppressed group oppress another one for NO good reason? The Troupe doesn't kill innocent people if not necessary, they do NOT care about money or fame and the revenge aspect doesnt work because the Kurta were isolated from the outside.

If we look back at the York New Arc they never state the massacre, they simply suggest it and of course from a Kurapika POV they are guilty but if you look again you have to ask..are they really?

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this took ages for me to coherently formulate and ik it goes back and forth but bless op's heart because it changed my perspective completely (more than any yt analysis found online) !

#hunter x hunter #chrollo lucilfer #phantom troupe #kurapika kurta #kurta clan theory #hxh chrollo #hxh 2011 #hxh kurapika #hxh hisoka #hxh manga #hxh spoilers #corolla/rants

[ihateliterature]

I can't stop thinking how if the Phantom Troupe hadn't killed the Kurta clan they would have probably not lived a lot longer anyway

So let's apply real world logic to these imaginary manga people for a second

Before I start I just want to mention that this is all a personal theory

So the Kurta clan had 128 members out of which 37 had scarlet eyes how is that possible?

It is stated that there were 3 types of people in the Kurta village: pure clan members (the 38 people who possessed scarlet eyes), unrelated people who lived in the village (the kurtas apparently allowed outsiders in) and people who married into the clan

Now, the existence of "pure" clan members implies the existence of "impure" clan members, which are probably the children of the outsiders who married into the clan. I think those children don't possess the Kurta eyes and were instead tortured to increase the hue of their parent's eyes. So I believe that for "pure" Kurtas to exist both of the parents also had to had scarlet eyes. In short, the kurtas were inbred asf and so is Kurapika

So, based on their probable long tradition of incest and really small numbers, the Kurta clan probably didn't have much more time left because, as the European royal families have taught us, you can't intermarry forever

And I think they knew this, at least the elder and other high standing villagers knew

Think about the composition of the village. It is understandable why they would allow outsiders to marry into the clan. People get lost in the forest, meet a Kurta, sparks fly, it happens. But it is clearly stated that there were outsiders not related to anyone living in the village. You mean to tell me that a group so (rightfully) fearful of the outside world, hiding in a forest for at least the last century, would just take in people?

Here is my headcanon

I have a greater headcanon about how the Kurta originate from the Dark Continent and are probably more of them there, but for the Lake Mobius abreviated version. I believe the Kurtas were always in small numbers and they always practiced inbreeding as a way to preserve their Scarlet Eyes. This only became a more glaring problem when they isolated themselves. In such a small community, I don't think that sibling marriages would have been that outrageous because you genuinely had no one else. No one paid much attention to this until all the issues associated with excessive inbreeding started appearing, sometime when the elder we knew took control. Then the elder had to make a decision, if they continued to inbreed for the purpose of preserving the eyes, they will all die, but if they leave the forest in an effort to reconnect with people they will be the victims of discrimination yet again and lose their Scarlet eyes in time as a consequence of marrying outside the Kurta bloodline. As the kurtas were so scared of the outside world, the elder made the compromise of allowing certain outsiders in the village hoping that they will help the situation. In short, he chose the survival of the future generations over the preservation of the Scarlet eyes

So even if they would have not been killed by the troupe, there is a possibility the scarlet eyes might have disappeared, as the kurtas continued to live on without them. Which is the opposite of the situation we are in, where the kurtas have died (as a people and a culture) while the eyes still exist

Anyway this is my theory based on very a shoddy understanding of genetics

#hunter x hunter #theory #kurapika #kurta clan #kurapika's parents were probably first cousins if not brother and sister and no one can convince me otherwise #kupika and pairo were probably cousins too #they were 128 ffs #my middle school in a godforsaken little village was at least 4 times that

[i-heart-hxh]

So, after @subdee's excellent post about doubt regarding the Phantom Troupe's alleged slaughter of the Kurta Clan, I was staring at this image and thinking about Sheila's terribly sad expression here...

This is juuuust a theory, and there's not a ton to back it up but I'm just throwing it out there--make of it what you will!

Here the Phantom Troupe is talking about their grand plans to find out who killed Sarasa and hold them responsible for what happened to her, why would Sheila be heading away from them with that pained expression? It's possible she simply didn't approve of their methods of going about it (though she's not shown as involved in or reacting to that conversation), but the way it's framed makes me think more of her hiding something.

What if Sheila already knows who's responsible for Sarasa's death...because she has some sort of involvement in the kidnappings that have been happening in Meteor City? Wouldn't that explain her expression here and abruptly leaving the situation?

Perhaps she's acting as an informant for the kidnappers or is aiding them in some other way? She's frequently shown as being injured, which characters comment on being as a result of her "clumsiness," but maybe she's being repeatedly injured as a threat/method of controlling her?

(In this case it's entirely probable she didn't intend for Sarasa herself to be killed--Sarasa went outside her usual range to try to find more tapes, and the kidnappers had already met their "quota for delivery" so this may have been an unusual case. It's possible Sheila had some sort of agreement that they would leave her friends alone by sticking to specific areas, for instance, that Sarasa may have gone outside of.)

(This guy's moles are pretty distinctive so that makes me wonder if he'll show up again...)

This note about Sheila's role in the production could be relevant as well--that she's "two-faced."

I think it's possible Tserriednich and/or circles he runs in are involved with this whole operation, which could mean Kurapika and the Troupe have a common enemy. I'm not sure if the timeline supports Tserriednich's involvement due to his age, however, he might be too young. Regardless, it's interesting to me that both Kurapika and the Phantom Troupe have the same root cause of their trauma and desire for revenge: People buying and selling human beings and parts of human beings as trophies and for sadistic purposes, which is what Tserriednich certainly represents. (As I said in another post, I'm all but certain the head Tserriednich has is Pairo's. It sure looks like Pairo's face inside his nen beast...)

Sheila could still be involved with the same people by the time the Kurta Massacre happens, and she uses Kurapika and Pairo to gather information on the Kurta Clan for whoever this group or individual may be--likely the real culprit behind the massacre. Again, potentially Tserriednich or someone he's associated with.

What happened with Sheila and the Kurta Massacre definitely comes across as suspicious (her showing up and communicating with Kurapika and Pairo shortly before the massacre happens), so I feel that lends more credibility to the possibility of her being involved somehow in the Meteor City kidnappings as well.

Again, take this all with a grain of salt. Of course Sheila was previously involved with the Phantom Troupe so it could be that the connection is that simple (though to me it doesn't explain the scene from the beginning of this post nearly as well). But I definitely feel like something more is going on here.

#hxh #hunter x hunter #hxh meta #phantom troupe #sheila #sarasa #meta #my posts #I can't tell if I'm galaxy brained here or overthinking things lmao #but HEY #throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks! #if I'm wrong it's fine #I feel like there's just enough to work with here

[tryingmybestiguess]

The Kurta massacre

Is been a long time since chapters 395-397, but I couldn't get this out of my mind.

I really think the Troupe didn't kill the Kurta. I'm not the only one that has talked about this, and more people have done it better than me, but here we go.

I'll start one of the first interactions betweeen Kurapika and a member of the Troupe.

Kurapika almost immediately asks Uvo if he remembers the ones he killed, to wich he answers "only the ones that caused impact". Alright.

Does he remember the kurta? Nop. But later, when Kurapika reveals his eyes, he says that, yeah, they killed them, that the kurta were powerful. So, they had to had caused an impact if we look at how excited he is. But.. also, it was a godamn massacre, I don't think they put up such a good fight. And If they were so powerful, how come he didn't remember them? Uvo loves fighting something like that would have stand out for him, would have caused an impact.

And then we have the note. The revenge note, that links the Phantom Troupe with the massacre. This implies that it wasn't just for the eyes, it was personal. And after the flashback we can think of something the Troupe would want to avange: Sarasa.

And now things make less sense. Making the kurta the "bad guys" would be ... an odd choice to say something. You can always say they were framed, but still...

Now, let's look at the flashback. You can see how much Uvo cared about Sarasa, how angry he was when they murdered her.

If they killed the "bastards" that did that to her I think he would remember. Because even if you try to argue that now he doesn't care since he became a murderer, it is established he cares for all of the members of the Phantom Troupe, he prefered to battle with companions even if that was an obstacle. He may have been a murderer but he cared for those who were close to him. So I doubt he would be "excited" to see Kurapika.

So either he would have remembed the Kurta from the begining because they were really strong or because they murdered Sarasa (which sounds ridiculous). But he doesn't.

And when Kurapika asks Chrollo about the massacre, he doesn't even answer.

Is always Kurapika who assumes that they did it, and he only thinks so because of a note that could have been used to frame Meteor City citizens to cover up the real culprits.

So who did it?

Eyes gouged out, that's to say mutilation, torture and a note on the place of the crime. Sounds familiar?

I think is more logical that the mafia was involved in the Kurta massacre than that the Troupe was. We already know of a direct benefactor who has direct ties with a mafia, The Hei-Ly specifically. And that is Tserriendnich.

He has the remaining eyes that Kurapika wasn't able to localize, and if he aquired them directly it would make sense.

This theory is also really interesing for what it would mean for Kurapika. He hates killing, he only does it for what he thinks as justice, to avenge his clan. But then it would turn out he was killing people that had nothing to do with it. And sure, they are terrible people, but Kurapika avoids killing anyone who isn't involved in the massacre. This would be a great chance to explore his character.

#this is canon for me until proven otherwise #also this would mean togashi has been trolling us for decades #is too funny to not be canon #hunter x hunter #hxh #hunter x hunter spoilers

[gab-has-adhd]

#i thought the nanika one was true #but its true we really only know she's from the dark continent #the one about Pairos head is barely even a theory to me #i mean it has to be Pairo #it looks too much like him #gab talks #polls #hxh #hunter x hunter #hxh theories #hunter x hunter theories #hxh sheila #pariston hill #gon freecss #illumi zoldyck #chrollo lucilfer #hisoka morow #feitan #zoldyck clan #zoldyck family #tserriednich #alluka zoldyck #nanika #ai #kurapika kurta #pairo #kurta clan #phantom troupe

[your-favourite-plague]

I can't really call it headcanon or theory, but I have this idea I like to think about — what if Phantom Troupe at the beginning of their "career" committed several heinous, senselessly cruel acts (like the Kurta Clan massacre) to "make themselves into villains" and get rid of any morality or doubts they might have had left. The "now there is no turning back from this" thing.

#I keep thinking about how nice they used to be as kids #and 11 year old Chrollo's speech #and Paku's compassionate behavior despite everything #hunter x hunter #hxh #phantom troupe #meta

[hamliet]

Hi! Hope you're doing well!

What do you think about the theory of the Phantom Troupe not being the ones that destroyed the Kurta clan? Do you think it would make or would it cheapen the story?

Hi! I’m doing all right!

I do think it would cheapen the story if they weren’t the ones who did it, and I do think everything indicates the PT were in fact responsible, so I don’t think the narrative is going there.

That said, I DO think that the recent chapters indicate hard that there is more to the story than the PT slaughtering just for the eyes—Sheila’s presence strongly hints that there was an emotional reason the PT did what they did. And honestly there have been enough character inconsistencies to make us wonder even before this—not to wonder whether they were responsible, but why. Namely, someone as empathetic as Paku torturing children.

An explanation and even some wrongdoing by on behalf of the Kurta—which seems likely—isn’t an excuse either. It doesn’t absolve the PT. I mean they tortured children. But, it would explain it.

#ask hamliet #hxh #phantom troupe #Kurta massacre

[uvobreakmylegs]

GEEZ this complete lamp of the body story was such an amazing and sinister read!

The two main theories I had going into Dark Light Within were either a) nightmares were caused by residue nen leftover in the eyes after the death of one of the kurta victims or b) nightmares caused by Chrollo himself tormenting reader for some unforeseen but necessary purpose (at the time I assumed, the suffocation might have been a troupe member or chrollo himself trying to pin down reader due to the process of implanting the eyes being potentially very painful and/or traumatic. And the reason the pain and nightmares kept continuing, I assumed, was due to Chrollo needing to constantly use nen or some convoluted/agonising procedure in order to make sure the eyes wouldn't 'reject' their new host since they're the body parts of such a unique and isolated ethnic group).

In the end, I was halfway right on both parts, but even so, I didn't expect the reason for Chrollo to be doing all this to be so callous. Because wow, this was definitely one of the cruelest Chrollo's fics out there! I was lulled into a sense of false security in part 1 due to how soothing and considerate he behaved (albeit still controlling and manipulative) but fuck, here? He was absolutely merciless; partly shown in how violently he fucked the reader, but ESPECIALLY in the way he deceives and violates her so deeply with literally zero remorse or regret during his POV. Like god, he's such a selfish bastard. The cheek! When I first read the line about him smiling after reader confirmed they'd never leave him, I definitely thought he'd felt genuine relief that she'd never abandon him. But lol, now? All I can think about is how smug and smarmy that smile must have been because his sneaky ass knew DAMN well how codependent reader was – he said it himself, he didn't even need Pakunoda to see how distressed she was without him. And yet, he had the gall to act like he was legitimately worried over her leaving him. Classic husband crying tears for sympathy when they abuse their spouse technique and he's not even ashamed about it.

And UGH... The fact he was so focused on the eyes when fucking reader... it really gave the impression he was objectifying her so deeply, roughly treating her like a breathing fleshlight in the pursuit of getting off to the radiance of the scarlet eyes, a body part that doesn't even belong to her, like her own actual physical beauty has diminished in the light of the kurta eyes next to them. Like her actual body was, at least in that moment, just a tool for Chrollo to indulge in an old unearthed obsession. The fact he so insidiously objectifies both this poor dead kurta clan victim AND reader, both subjects of his viciousness and abuse in completely different ways, and gets off to the fact that one of his murder victims is being forced into a form of intimacy with him after he literally snuffed them out... This poor kurta clan member can't receive any rest or peace or dignity even in death... Just horrible. Not to mention the fact he was completely unbothered by the fact that hunting for the eyes for so long was inducing so much pent up anxiety and stress in reader, especially considering she'd just suffered such a deeply isolating and traumatic accident. The fact he feels zero guilt in torturing/tormenting reader for months on end both awake and when she was asleep, completely vulnerable, even though the night terrors and panic attacks clearly traumatised and debilitated her. His callous usage of her for his own curiosity/sadistic pleasure escalates to the point he becomes so audacious he chokes her during a moment where she's genuinely lucid! He doesn't even care anymore that he's strangling her whilst she's wide awake! And the worst part is she's just too deferential towards him to legitimately confront it.

Which leads to the saddest person in the fic: poor poor reader. Honestly, when it comes to stories like this, I feel like people tend to believe aggressive readers that are combative and fight back are the ones who suffer the most since their obviously resistant behaviour tends to inspire rage in the yandere in question and severe punishment as a result. But I've always felt like readers such as this one, readers who are overly generous and submissive are amongst the most tragic of all, because by being so forgiving and boundary-less, they allow insatiable yanderes like Chrollo here, to take more and more and more of their dignity, their identity, their personhood... They're so profoundly mutilated from their own self-worth they just let things like this happen, their lack of sense of self/independence and the normalisation of their abuse is so ingrained it feels like even daring to fight for their own worth and dignity would be arrogant, selfish ... almost even petty. It's like watching a prey animal just lie down and do nothing whilst it's being eaten alive by a tiger, completely giving up on themselves and their own existence, giving in completely to the unrelenting oppressiveness of their environment. Though, having said all that... I do have to wonder if Chrollo may have shot himself in the foot here. Because those scarlet eyes still have nen in them, given how they interacted, if only fleetingly, with reader. I wonder if being attached to a living body now, and being activated to glow scarlet so often, especially by their own personal killer, will inspire that nen to grow, and lead to a subtle growing resentment/bloodthirstiness in reader that Chrollo won't see coming, especially from so 'servile' a victim. It would certainly be a very ironic and very deserved case of hubris if that were to happen, made even more poignant by the fact that it would be ushered into motion by one of Chrollo's past victims empowering the current. Like his victims are somehow uniting, empowering, uplifting each other, in whatever small ways they can, even after death, to gnaw at the chain of Chrollo's iron abuse.

Just amazing, I had a hell of a time reading this fic – left me thinking on ever since it was posted, thank you so so much <3 🩷❤️

First off, thank you so much for sending this! It was a lot of fun to read over all of your thoughts regarding my fic❤️❤️❤️

I had a lot of moments while writing this where I thought to myself of just how awful Chrollo was being to both reader and especially the unknown member of the Kurta Clan. You're absolutely correct when you say that they can't get any peace or dignity in death. Chrollo is just too selfish and greedy

Poor reader really should've stayed home that day and dealt with being a lil lonely while she waited for Chrollo to come back😭

I'm very glad that you enjoyed the fic! It always makes me happy to hear when people enjoy my work! And thank you again for this detailed message. It was very nice to see when I opened up my inbox today🥰🥰🥰

[scarletjudgement]

HxH and HTTP Status Codes

The HTTP 403, 404, and 405 references in the Hunter Exam (as foreshadowing or character-summaries) is so sickening, but at the same time it's hard to deny that Togashi probably was referencing them, considering that the manga came out in 1998 while HTTP codes were a thing since 1992-1993 (and he spent a whole page explaining what the internet and computers were). It could definitely be a coincidence, but the definitions of what 403, 404, and 405 end up meaning is something we see as the stories have progressed.

For context, these are the Error Codes, and as the reader I think you may already guess and connect the dots on why I find the correlations so intriguing:

403 Forbidden: Leorio

The request contained valid data and was understood by the server, but the server is refusing action. (Wikipedia) The client does not have access rights to the content; that is, it is unauthorized, so the server is refusing to give the requested resource. Unlike 401 Unauthorized, the client's identity is known to the server... re-authenticating makes no difference. The access is tied to the application logic, such as insufficient rights to a resource. (Mozilla)

404 Not Found: Kurapika (We all know this)

The requested resource could not be found but may be available in the future. Subsequent requests by the client are permissible. (Wikipedia) A 404 status code only indicates that the resource is missing: not whether the absence is temporary or permanent. If a resource is permanently removed, use the 410 (Gone) status instead. (Mozilla)

405 Method Not Allowed: Gon (Though I think the name of the error can speak for itself)

The request method is known by the server but is not supported by the target resource. (Mozilla) A request method is not supported for the requested resource. (Wikipedia)

Further thoughts:

While it's possible that this can definitely be a stretch or a coincidence, it sure is an interesting way to look at it. And even if Togashi did not intend for these to connect, it makes me even more interested to continue reading HxH to see how long they'll connect until they're no longer applicable.

404 interests me because of "temporary unavailable" and "it may be available again in the future", so I wonder if that's applicable not only to Kurapika himself but to the Kurta Clan as well, considering we're entering the Dark Continent and I've already seen a theory on the Kurta Clan originating from the DC one way or another (reddit links)

Think of these as an allegory or metaphor

Mozilla page on HTTP Response Status Codes / Wikipedia page on HTTP Status Codes

#HxH #Hunter x Hunter #HxH Meta #Meta #It's sickening in a way where it makes a lot of sense and it makes me a little sad. #To the point where I don't want to explain the correlation and I'd rather have whoever is reading this make their own connections. #This is so sick and twisted. #While I can even argue about how 401 would 'make more sense for Leorio over 403'- #This post is about 'How their /given/ exam numbers can be tied to them' rather than 'what it ''should'' have been instead' #I hope this makes sense. #Also I am no expert in HTTP and programming or web development- so take what I say with a grain of salt. #I'm speaking in my singlet 'im not a fictive' voice to keep this post coherent... If I had my way I'd just say 'myself' the entire time. #Pikachika #New Talking tag.. Chika being a reference to Chika / Chika Chika (Filipino) Which means to chit-chat or engage in gossip.

[earthghostpurrp]

Sheila being in this chapter is HUGE oh my god. I’m not totally convinced that she is Pariston, but the fact that Togashi actually kept her around this long after her introduction but is also seeming to potentially set her up as someone with an affiliation to the Troupe is very exciting. I do genuinely subscribe to this idea that she helped with the killing of the Kurta Clan and this could be evidence to support this theory (linked below, not mine)!!

#hxh395 #hunter x hunter 395 #hunter x hunter #hxh #manga theory #anime theory #kurapika #phantom troupe #succession war arc #2022 anime #2022 manga #anime and manga #manga

[sp00j0]

literally in love with the theory/headcanon that shalnark is part of kurta clan 😓

#my art #my artwork #my style #my work #fanart #my art style #hunter hunter #hunter x hunter #kurapika #shalnark #the phantom troupe #kurta clan #shalnark kurta

[progg]

Lovely Ghostwriter

It’s a common theory that the Yorknew City fortunes foreshadowed the deaths of Shalnark and Kortopi. For this reason, many believe Shizuku will meet her fate in the treasure room of the Black Whale, pursuant to her prophecy. Neon’s fortunes predict up to a maximum of five weeks, so it would seem their eventual realization is purely coincidental. However, I believe the realization of Neon’s prophecies is in fact a product of her post-mortem Nen.

LOVELY GHOSTWRITER: PRE-MORTEM MECHANICS

Lovely Ghostwriter is said to be 100% accurate with its predictions, but that doesn’t mean everything it predicts will come true. Remember that Nen, in its most basic form, is an extension of a person’s will. Following Neon’s personal philosophy, her fortunes are meant for the living, so they can make an effort to “improve their lives and avoid misfortune”.

Theoretically, a fortune without a warning should be 100% accurate, without stipulations. But this isn’t really how the ability works. The ability’s lack of rigidity becomes clear through Chrollo’s use of it. Refraining from reading other fortunes is not a condition of the power. In addition, the “warnings” necessary to alter one’s future may actually come from other fortunes. References to the spider losing half its limbs are present in multiple fortunes, some of which do not involve warnings (i.e. Chrollo’s). However, this fate is still avoided. How can it be that the fate in Chrollo’s fortune was avoided using a warning from a different fortune altogether?

Rather than functioning as a hard-defined prophecy generator, Lovely Ghostwriter serves more as a story-telling device with major themes in existentialism. Definitionally, existentialism is the idea that humans are in control of their own fates. Hunter x Hunter is rife with existentialist themes, not only in the Phantom Troupe’s subversion of their fates…

… but also in Killua’s and Koala’s.

With that in mind, let’s look at some of the ability’s alleged characteristics:

Lovely Ghostwriter is 100% accurate.

Events referenced in the poem are typically present as metaphors.

Each verse represents a week of the current month, up to a maximum of five verses.

Misfortune can be avoided if warnings are heeded.

However, Togashi’s original intentions don’t necessarily reflect the significance of the fortunes now.

THE PROPHECIES, FULFILLED

Let’s go over the fortunes that have come true, specifically those which indicate an invalidation of Lovely Ghostwriter’s “rules”. These fortunes exceed the five-week limit and suggest there is more going on with the ability than meets the eye.

Deaths of Shalnark, Pakunoda, and Kortopi

“Harvest barren, wine spilled, lovers slumber Beside the bloody Scarlet Eyes.“

Present in multiple of the Troupe’s fortunes, these lines foreshadow the deaths of Pakunoda, Shalnark, and Kortopi. They are not, as Phinks suggests, referring to Kurapika, rather they are juxtaposing the murder of the Troupe members with the massacre of the Kurta clan. As mentioned previously, events in the poems are typically present as metaphors. If these fortunes are to be fulfilled, we should expect them to be resolved in ways that are not necessarily literal, but metaphorical and poetic.

Death of Shalnark

Shalnark’s fortune is unequivocally a warning.

“Even just one call, you must not make When needed most, it won’t connect. To answer your phone is another mistake, One time in three, the reaper calls collect.”

Ostensibly, Shalnark follows this advice and changes his immediate fate. However, we know he is eventually killed by Hisoka in a manner that eerily resembles the fortune.

Even just one call, you must not make When needed most, it won’t connect.

Having had his Nen ability stolen by Chrollo, he is unable to make his most-needed call. It may also be the case that Shalnark was calling Kortopi when he was confronted by Hisoka. It’s a bit unclear.

To answer your phone is another mistake, One time in three, the reaper calls collect.

Shalnark answers a call from Chrollo prior to his death. It’s not so outlandish to believe the third call is the one he receives when he encounters Hisoka.

The One Most Needed

“Amuse yourself with the entr’acte. Seek out new friends once in a bind. Perhaps to the east, one can be tracked The one most needed, you’re sure to find.“

This prophecy is likely realized before Neon’s alleged death, in the Greed Island arc, but I wanted to include it because I feel it is important. The two friends in question here are most likely Abengane, the Nen Exorcist, and Kalluto Zoldyck. However, it is crucial to make the distinction between which is which. Kalluto tracks Abengane with his Nen, meaning Abengane is “the one to be tracked.” That means Kalluto may be “the one most needed”.

Remember that Chrollo’s fortune also had an additional verse after this, and he did not find Abengane nor recruit Kalluto until after the associated week. I don’t think this is necessarily a plot-hole, as the third-week verse was simply Lovely Ghostwriter’s advice, in accordance with Neon’s philosophy. But it does show that Lovely Ghostwriter has always had the ability to see beyond its allotted time frame.

IMPLICATIONS OF POST-MORTEM NEN

Disappearing from Chrollo’s Book

At some point, Lovely Ghostwriter disappears from Chrollo’s book. The implication here seems to be that Neon has died, and this is tacitly confirmed by Chrollo. Shizuku is unaware that the ability disappeared, so we can assume it occurred sometime during the Troupe’s separation. We know from the call between Chrollo and Shalnark that the Troupe has been apart for quite some time after the events of the Chimera Ant arc.

I believe Neon’s death occurred after the Troupe’s separation but before Chrollo’s fight with Hisoka. This sets in motion the effects of her post-mortem Nen before the murders of Shalnark and Kortopi.

Sun and Moon

More confirmation that the only way to remove abilities from the book is death. Not even forcing Chrollo into Zetsu removes abilities from the book.

One possible problem with Neon possessing post-mortem Nen is the peculiarities surrounding Sun and Moon. We learn from Chrollo that Sun and Moon remained in his book after the owner’s death, due to the presence of post-mortem Nen. I can think of a few explanations for this, and I don’t think it actually disproves the possibility of Neon’s post-mortem Nen. In fact, it may support it.

Sun and Moon was “willed” to remain in Chrollo’s Book, by the previous owner.

It’s unclear whether Chrollo was on friendly terms with the person he stole the ability from, but Togashi does make a point of associating him with Meteor City. The Elder shouldn’t need to make an explicit condition for his ability to remain in Chrollo’s book. Nen is an extension of will, so if he wanted Chrollo to keep the ability, it may very well have remained as a result.

The ability does not need to remain in Chrollo’s Book after the post-mortem effects trigger.

Let’s say Neon wrote a fortune just before she died. Would the fortune then become inaccurate? I don’t think so. Lovely Ghostwriter shouldn’t have to stick around for fortunes to become true, so it’s entirely possible the post-mortem effects were applied retroactively, then the ability vanished from Chrollo’s book.

Neon died and was resurrected.

Extremely unlikely, but possible. Her death would cause the ability to disappear from Chrollo’s book, and her resurrection would cause her to regain it. However, I find it lessens the significance of her fortunes coming true and makes the ability’s change in properties more difficult to explain.

I know some of you will remain unconvinced after this section, and I admit the persistence of Sun and Moon is the biggest pitfall to this theory. However, I believe the strongest evidence is up next.

A Change of Intent

We know that Togashi was considering having Hisoka kill Machi after his fight with Chrollo, but he decided it would be “more interesting to keep her alive.”

“Hisoka was supposed to kill Machi after the fight, but I dismissed the idea. There were many things to take into account, and I had the feeling that leaving Machi alive would make it more interesting later on.”   – YOSHIHIRO TOGASHI, HUNTER X HUNTER VOL. 34

This decision was made shortly after he emphasized Sun and Moon’s post-mortem Nen and the death of stolen abilities’ users. It was made in the same chapter he killed off Shalnark and Kortopi. Remember that Machi is not supposed to die according to Neon’s prophecies. It would seem Togashi’s mindset going into this decision was heavily influenced by thoughts of post-mortem Nen and the implications of the Troupe members’ deaths.

I propose he decided to keep Machi alive after considering whether Chrollo still had Neon’s ability, what it would mean if he didn’t, and the significance of her fortunes coming true.

An Increase in Post-Mortem Nen

In addition to Sun and Moon, the Succession Arc marks an exponential increase in the frequency of post-mortem Nen. We see this with Spirit Beasts, Hisoka’s resurrection, Camilla’s guards, Benjamin’s stars, and more. It wouldn’t be out of place for Neon to possess post-mortem Nen as well. Much of Hunter x Hunter seems to be shifting toward themes of death and resurrection, spiritual fulfillment, and curses.

With six months gone the year is cursed.

On that note, could Togashi be planning to recontextualize this line to refer to Neon’s post-mortem Nen?

The Ability’s Name

In this case, Lovely Ghostwriter becomes a double entendre. It already kind of was, but now even moreso.

LOVELY GHOSTWRITER: POST-MORTEM MECHANICS

Lovely Ghostwriter is 100% accurate.

Events referenced in the poem are typically present as metaphors.

The post-mortem abilities of Lovely Ghostwriter apply retroactively.

Remember that Nen is still an extension of one’s will. This new version of Lovely Ghostwriter is potentially consistent with Neon’s mental state before her death, and her desire to reclaim her prophetic abilities, and by extension the funds for her flesh collection.

I agree with many other readers that the Phantom Troupe’s main rival is shifting from Kurapika to Hisoka, but a post-mortem Neon, acting as a karmic force against Chrollo, will also have a hand in the Troupe’s downfall.

There’s a lot of irony in the idea of Neon possessing post-mortem Nen. She doesn’t believe in an afterlife, while Chrollo does. Spirits are a focus of Togashi’s previous work, Yu Yu Hakusho. Oftentimes these spirits act as karmic arbiters, and I believe Lovely Ghostwriter is no different.

THE PROPHECIES, UNFULFILLED

The Spider is Cut in Half

“Though cut in half, shall be your number ‘Tis not lost, wherein your advantage lies.”

The spider will be cut in half, by death or some other means. However, it’s unclear at which point in time this tally begins. It could be before Uvo’s death, as the Troupe originally speculates.

If Hisoka counts, having left the Troupe, then Shizuku would be the only death remaining (see next section). If he doesn’t, Feitan or Phinks should have to die too.

However, the tally could also begin after Neon’s death. This would mean Uvo does not count (nor does Hisoka), but Shalnark and Kortopi do. You also have two new possibilities, Kalluto and Illumi, that can be removed from the Troupe in some way. This is more in line with Hisoka’s statement of “10 more remaining”.

Shizuku’s Death

“In the chamber of treasure ill gotten There is no choice but endless sleep. Your greatest fear should solitude be Lest upon your lonesome form he creep.”

Shizuku will be alone with one other individual in the Black Whale’s treasure room. That person will reveal themselves to be Hisoka in disguise. I suspect he will remove texture surprise to reveal his badly burned face, consistent with the horror style of the Succession Arc.

Hisoka’s Second Half

“On the day of the sun under this customer’s care Alone with a man of cross reversed Removed from the calendar is the false hair With six months gone the year is cursed.”

Arguably, this didn’t come true in Yorknew City. This could be resolved in a lot of different ways. Could mean Kalluto dies. Could mean Chrollo kills Hisoka. I don’t know. It’s worth remembering Neon’s fortunes are highly metaphorical and may be resolved in unexpected ways.

Unrevealed Quatrains

There are some portions of the fortunes that were not shown, specifically Chrollo and Nobunaga’s later quatrains. I’m inclined to believe Hisoka’s fortune was longer too. It’s possible these fortunes will come back.

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[cocogum]

Weird HxH Facts you might’ve not noticed before (part 5)

Fact #1: Linnet Audoble was never heard speaking for years until what she says next.

Explanation:

Linnet is a Double-Star Gourmet Hunter that was part of a secret mission to sneak into the Dark Continent.

With her accomplices Isaac Netero and Zigg Zoldyck, the three enter the unknown and come out with irreversible changes.

The number of horrific places that she must’ve seen turned her completely mute for the rest of what would be her long life.

However, when she fails to be selected with the top 8 for the Hunter elections, she finally speaks after what felt like a lifetime:

“Hm? I’d rather just have Netero come back to life and be the chairman again.”

Fact #2: Illumi was never seen fighting an opponent.

Explanation:

As a professional deadly zoldyck assassin, it was only natural for Illumi to swiftly assassinate his targets rather than fighting them.

But with the many confrontations that he has faced, he seems to completely avoid fights altogether.

Illumi was always instantly seen killing his opponents without a struggle and never engaged in fights, like the infamous magician.

Fact #3: Nanika overtakes Alluka’s body many more times than anyone would think.

Explanation:

Whenever Alluka talks, the mouth of the body responds with terms (ex: “oniichan”).

Whenever Nanika talks, the mouth of the body responds with proper names (ex: “Killua”).

Since this analysis made by Killua is completely reliable and greatly helps us distinguish who between Nanika and Alluka would be present at the moment and who wouldn’t be, we come to find out that the majority of the time, Nanika is doing all the talking leaving Alluka dormant.

So the next time you see Alluka talking, pay great attention to the way the mouth addresses people.

It might not be the zoldyck you think is speaking.

Fact #4: The Zodiacs’ animalistic characteristics aren’t accessories. They’re real.

Explanation:

Nen has constantly been changing a user’s physical appearance whether the individual agrees to those changes or not.

The Zodiacs are no exception.

Every single one of them, excluding Pariston and Ging, has been hit with the physical nen change to better stand their positions to the Zodiacs.

Fact #5: Abe is Gon’s great-grandmother. He doesn’t have a grandmother.

Explanation:

Abe Freecss is in actuality Gon’s great-grandmother on his father’s side.

If we take a look at his foster mother Mito’s side, he also doesn’t have one since Mito lost her parents to a car crash at a very young age.

Fact #6: Kurapika’s last name is unknown.

Explanation:

Many would agree that the word “Kurta” is considered to be Kurta’s official last name.

Others would claim that his last name depicts some inc*stual relationships that had to be going on at the time given the fact that his last name IS the clan’s name. But since non-kurtas were allowed to enter the clan, that theory has been long debunked.

His last name is simply unknown.

It has never been told or revealed to Kurapika’s entourage as well as to the fans.

The reason for putting the word “Kurta” at the end of his name is to fill in the blanks but it is also presented as an hommage in honor of his fallen comrades and the kurtas’ history.

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[saturnscoffee]

Hxh spoilers:

But it really bothered me the theory about the kurta clan murdering Sheila. As in the kurapika’s back story they didn’t seem like violent people, but then I remember that we were reading the backstory from a literal child’s perspective, he was probably shielded from that violence his whole life.

#hxh #hxh 397 #hxh theory #hxh spoilers #hunter x hunter #hunter x hunter spoilers

[elpapichulo]

Alrighty I guess I want my first post to be a small silly theory that I just thought while preparing for uni and now I am abandoning everything just to write it. So in the 397 leaks,sheila is the only one who isn't seen regrouping with the troupe kids,actually she even is depicted avoiding them(or she actually wants to be alone to grieve about you know what). She also isn't even seen later. So me thinks sheila ran away from meteor city to become a hunter. She might have already awakened a nen ability by then. Then she will learn of the kurta clan's scarlet eyes and she will go there by herself. So what I am trying to say is that the phantom troupe might have not massacred the kurta but it was her who did it and they just took the blame for it. I haven't thought about how or why yet though,or how is it possible for a single girl to wipe put an entire clan(she might have been injured but she might have been pretending too),but for me it just ties the fact that chrollo isn't willing to disclose anything about what happened that day to kurapika,and the fact that we actually know that she was there with kurapika and pairo when sh@t went down. Idk for sure though, it's just a theory, a GAY THEORY.

#chrollo lucilfer #hunter x hunter #phantom troupe #hxh 397 #Idk it's just a theor

[lightlunas]

Chapter 397 gave me an idea about Sheila... She went through the same experience as the spiders, but her expression in that last panel gives such a strong impression that she doesn't approve of the path the others went down in reaction to that experience...

And it made me think... I've seen theories both that Sheila was the one who discovered the Kurta massacre, and/or the one who led the spiders there, and her time with Kurapika was part of scouting it out... But what if instead she had heard about the spider's plan in advance and gone to the Kurta Clan to protect them in some way? Thinking about how it seems unlikely now that she'd help the spiders with it, and that she stayed there by "hurting herself everytime she was close to getting better", like she was waiting for something to happen... Of course the spider's attack happened quite a while after she left, so maybe it got quite delayed for some reason, and after a while she thought it wouldn't happen anymore or that she was mistaken and left. It's not like there's much proof for or against the theory, but it would make sense, and I've always felt that there must be more to her staying there a while longer by continuously accidentally hurting herself...

#Hunter x Hunter #Sheila #theory #HxH 397 #light posts