#kp discourse

[hael987]

I’m so very tired of people saying nonsense about KinnPorsche the series and trying to bring it down.

I cannot stress enough how much the show means to me. Firstly because I’m enjoying it but more importantly because of what it’s showing, what it’s bringing into the world.

As Mile and Apo have continually been saying the series is showing love is love, we’re no different than the cishets. It’s telling queer people that they’re deserving of such detailed stories too. We also deserve stories that delve deeper than the superficial.

Let us have our complex characters. The morally grey or even morally black. The unclear, contrasting motives. Let us see healthy and unhealthy relationships. Fluff and action and torture. Let us have it all for once.

When we’re finally getting the variety we deserve, stop trying to restrict us back into boxes. It’s light, but it’s not superficial. It’s dark but it’s not gritty, there’s always some beauty to be found whether it be in the storyline itself or the shots.

Fair enough if it’s not to your personal taste/you personally don’t like it but to say such media shouldn’t be out there is wrong.

We get a story full of various kinds of love. Discovery and growth that’s flawed and rocky, an uneven and complicated path. A show that finally explores multitudes. A show through which I can finally feel connections to my own queer experiences but it’s subtle enough it’s not overwhelming and the story is varied enough with action, mafia plots and fluff that it’s enjoyable for the wider audience too.

We’re given NC scenes that feel beautiful, emotional, real and not fetishised. The joy and elation we get to see from them existing together. We’re given NC scenes that are dubious and darker. It doesn’t focus on just one aspect, we get it all. Layered and detailed for once.

They struggle to be together but it’s not because they’re queer, it’s because their lives are complicated and messy. It’s the casual normalising of it, shifting the focus to the people rather than focusing it on the sexuality.

Their words of support interspersed throughout the entire show. Telling us we’re supposed to be here. We’re seen. The effort Mile underwent to get this story out there, the improvements all the actors and BOC made to make the story better, less homophobic. How they changed part of Porsche’s storyline from internalised homophobia and that consequential struggle into something far more beautiful and relevant: an exploration of his quintessential self and his roles in life, his journey of self worth and happiness. How valid that makes one feel to watch such a series.

Chay setting out on his youthful love. Porsche only having his first dating experience in his adulthood. Tankhun feeling unsafe when he leaves his sphere, his use of fashion as a shield. Kinn’s struggle of duty vs heart. Pete and Vegas beginning to remove their masks. These stories, it’s all reminiscent of the very real queer experience. The differing journeys. The sex scenes, the fluff, the darker side. These multitudes symbolise the variety and varying paths of what the queer experience can entail.

The nod, the acknowledgement that there are so many differing queer experiences and stories to be told without reducing the focus to be solely on the sexuality. That queer people are people — as flawed, as varied, as complex as everyone else. Queer people don’t just have to exist one way or fit your ideals. Sometimes it’s uncomfortable to see, it’s the reality of existence.

Every single one of these points is why the show is important, necessary even.

I’m not claiming it’s the first show to do so, but I would say it’s the first show to express it so fully — it’s in every single inch of it. Stop trying to bring it down.

If you don’t like it that’s fine, it’s not for you. It’s for me. It’s for me and everyone like me that finally feels represented and loved and shown that we’re allowed to be complex. That we exist on equal ground and deserve to have equally complex media. That like our queer selves, the queer media we have shouldn’t be restricted to certain boxes.

#kinnporsche #kinnporsche the series #kinnporsche thoughts #kp discourse #I’m sure people have said it better before but #I’ve seen some real nonsense today and can’t stand it

[agapintheskin]

Idk anything besides what gets filtered from KP Twitter to here as I'm not on there so idk why people hate Pond all of a sudden.

However, deciding that Pond is a "rancid" person when, as an outsider, people know nothing about what goes on when the cameras are off gives off "i-know-better-than-them" (the actors/people possibly affected) vibes. No one knows anything besides the people who interacted with Daemi.

Like that other anon said, a few signed with BOC after all of the shit with Daemi happened, so I trust and believe the actors' judgment that if they didn't want to be there, they would just leave or get the law involved.

All of the interactions I've seen between the actors and Pond have been very respectful and Pond never seems to overstep/be touchy or make them uncomfortable. Perhaps Pond had to/or at least felt obligated to take in Daemi because they were the ones who casted/were a part of casting the main actors which may have meant that the agreement between Daemi and Filmania was that Daemi would have a certain level of control as authors; maybe that condition held for BeOnCloud too, last I heard Daemi hadn't sold the rights - idk, I'm speculating.

All of the actors appear to be in good graces with Pond. Its not the fans' place to decide that he's hurting them or that he's "allowed things to happen" because we. just. don't. know. One can't make decisions on incomplete information.

This whole thing about fans thinking that these men need to be protected is absolutely mind boggling to me because these are adult men, not children, and don't need fans infantilizing them or their decisions to remain in the company- that supposedly mistreats them so much according to them- when they have other jobs and priorities in their lives and are not doing it out of necessity for money.

Point is, if all of the actors appear to respect and interact friendly with Pond, then I'm not going to assume or pretend to know that I know best than them regarding their decision to remain in the company, who they decide to interact with, or how they should personally feel about what happened.

If they're there, it's because they want to be, they're not naive kpop trainees shadily lured into a company only to be overworked and mistreated for a chance at fame; it ain't the same thing and its not what's happening here.

Sorry for the discourse

Thank you for the message! Yeah that's how I feel.

At the end of the day we don't know and I chose to judge the situation on what I DO know/can see with my eyes. If at the end Pond turns out to be the worst I can still start judging him then! Same goes btw for everyone else involved. And if you can't be kind till then just be rational. I don't need anyone to love Pond. I mean why would I, I don't.

#kinnporsche #kp discourse #<I'll start that tag for the future in case

[snickerdoodlles]

*sidles up to you* VegasPete would totally find omegaverse hot.

(re: something knotty)

...ahhh. sure? i guess? VegasPete would be into it as a kink in the same way they're into anything that feeds into their "they are intensely overwhelmingly unhealthy-if-they-were-anyone-other-than-them obsessed with each other" kink. but tbh to me an omegaverse fantasy is a lot of setup for something that would be much more easily satisfied by any of Vegas's domestic house husband ventures and doesn't play enough into Pete's preferences for long periods of intense focus (ie he'd rather Vegas whip him vs knot him imo). like. okay, going to contrast KimChay and VegasPete for a quick second, but the differences in their kinks:

KimChay possession kink vs VegasPete obsession kink: i think Kim and Chay would be delighted in being mutually claimed or referred to as the other person's +1 of any sort (esp by other people, like "why yes i AM his boyfriend/clinger/whatever 🥰"). i think Pete and Vegas want the other to be completely obsessed with them, but being specifically referred to as anything besides the other's boyfriend/husband, esp by outside people, would Get To Them.

Kim and Chay have the vibe of wrapping themselves around each other constantly. their abandonment issues lead to them being very grabby and both find a certain amount of reassurance in a "he can't get away from me" fantasy. Vegas and Pete canonically Do Not Do Well when they're forced together without a choice or option to leave, even when they want to stay with the other.

Kim and Chay would both have fun with the fantasy and story of the kink. coming up with the "rules" (for lack of a better term) of their omegaverse kink, finding "special scents" together, "building a nest", etc--all that setup is further enrichment, they would have a lot of fun making it up. VegasPete would think its a lot of work just to fuck.

and tbh think omegaverse as a kink is a ripe ground for triggers for Pete and Vegas given how poorly they react to any sort of dehumanization (call one of them alpha/omega and see them spiral) and Vegas esp given Gun's whole...macho alpha guy bullshit.

i'm sorry nonny, i don't mean to step on your fun and feel free to ignore me if you want to run with the idea! but i personally don't see omegaverse-as-a-kink satisfying any of Vegas or Pete's kinks, and definitely not in the way omegaverse-as-a-kink could give Kim and Chay an outlet to indulge in a bunch of their kinks at once.

#deleted some of my SpicierTM thoughts but tbh the other huge ax against this for me is that like #i see kimchay with a breeding/pregnancy kink by way of a ''promise of future domesticity'' kink or ''i am noticeably Claimed by him'' kink #vegas and pete ABSOLUTELY DO NOT mix with even the IDEA of children #which is a headcanon for discourse because venice is a Thing in book kp and for some reason is also very popular in fandom #anyways sorry i started with the first paragraph and then Started To Ponder 😅 #gonna shut up before i start rambling on about kimchay in the tags jfjhgjhdfgf

[veliseraptor]

going to be the change i want to see in the world this week i think and put a temporary moratorium on reblogging discourse-y mdzs posts for seven days. see if it at least makes me feel better

this isn't like. ~everyone has to be positive~ stuff, it really is just about me wanting to improve my own feelings about this fandom

#even if the dunks are really good and funny. #it might make no difference at all but feels like it's worth a try idk #i've been having such a good time in kp fandom where the discourse has been so refreshingly minimal #and i'd like to get back some of that joy for mdzs #important text posts

[gfwooyo]

please dont bite your tongue i always enjoy ur takes ❤️

let's get married

#i don't wanna get super into kp vs vp discourse bc i think everybody already formed their opinion and no one will budge but #i can admit bad kp takes do make me want to rant #glad to know at least one person supports me dkfjdsk #asks

[leconcombrerit]

Me : I'm gonna watch this mini-series, it's what 45 minutes long how badly could it scar me anyw-

Also me, 45 minutes later, bawling on the floor : YOU DON'T GET IT IT'S POETRY and it's so SAD and it's so BEAUTIFUL and my heart is SHATTERED YOU HEAR ME and yeah he did bad things but it's so HUMAN TO DO THAT STUFF AND LOOK HE LOVES HIM ANYWAY and although he haunted him for revenge at first he ended up HAUNTING HIM TO HOLD HIS HANDS AND HEAR HIM SING ONE LAST TIME AND HELP HIM cause he was lost and AND HIS VOICE IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND-

My dog, tired and not at all concerned :

Me : ... BUT DO YOU GET IT BABY SUNSHINE DO YOU GET THE HURT-

#no he doesn't #he's a dog some subtlety of my discourse gets lost #but I needed to cry and my cat won't even pretend to listen to me #IT WAS SO GOOD ???? #I just wanted to watch something waiting for KP #and then I got WRECKED ???? #UNPROVOKED ??? #ahvbjfekgvchbjdskjc #it had been SO LONG since I had last loved a bit of real bittersweet sad angsty stuff #oh my poor heart

[juwon-ah-moved]

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#not to start discourse but i think the kp fandom needs to do better #i've seen at least 3 things that make me really uncomfortable and they weren't one person #anyway lol i'm not involved w the fandom #i just wish i didn't see this stuff on my dash but i don't Want To get involved #anyway i'm gonna go bc my family is upsetting me too 🙃

[chicademartinica]

I just realized that Playboyy the series and Only Friends shared a writer. Originally a mystery novelist, acting coach on KP, he wrote Only Friends first and put all the sex trade/exploited sex work/more acidic political discourse in Playboyy. He wrote War of managers in War of Y and that shit was dark. So hum one thing that man can write is egotistical and manipulative borderline violent characters. Also this very queer man likes to make the straights uncomfortable, said it himself and doesn’t consider BL as a genre for heterosexual cis girls. Somebody’s gonna lose it and end up in Klong Prem prison for sure.

Bonus : He also wrote for BOC’s Mansruang.

#only friends #only friends the series #playboyy the series #thai bl #the political climate in Thailand gonna show up too #Jojo and him don’t mince words

[harry-sussex]

I think the issue more than the simple editing is a) the inability to produce a non edited photo and b) blaming it on Catherine herself. Both of these things are only going to fuel conspiracies - I say this as someone who firmly believes that she is simply recovering from abdominal surgery. But it’s not a stretch to say KP have completely messed up the PR and invited the speculation and continue to do so by not setting it straight properly. So no the blurry steps won’t topple an institution, but the image of said institution as being dishonest and throwing its own Princess of wales under the bus sure doesn’t help

I honestly do not think it’s a big deal. The cheating bullshit has died down and resurfaces every few months with almost no traction. The photo is edited as is literally every single photo released by every single royal in the world. I remember Charlotte’s first Christmas, there was a bunch of discourse about her little shoe on the ground and the shadows associated with the way she was sitting on Kate’s lap. Is Kate a graphic designer? No. The insinuation that she meant something harmful by editing her photo more poorly than usual? That’s batshit, and that will die down. In a week, nobody sane is going to say “we can’t trust our next Queen because she photoshopped a sweater cuff.”

And the team very much did not throw Kate under the bus. The team NEVER would have never signed the statement “-C” without her knowing. They’d be fired so fast they wouldn’t know what hit them. Kate did that herself - like I said the other day, the apology came from Kate, not HRH The Princess of Wales. The conspiracies are nothing. The palace has already reiterated their original information about Kate’s return and the stupid shit will all but disappear once she’s back. Sure, it’ll come back up (the conspiracies and the photo) every once in a while, especially when she inevitably takes a long break in August and while the kids are in school, but after her recovery and return after Easter, this will all be a meme. It’s already a meme - two different people sent me a photoshopped pic of Kate the day after her wedding walking out of BP hand in hand with Pete Davidson. A few weeks of making fun of Kate online is not going to hurt her image. It will die down, as it always does with Kate.

I won’t even say that KP invited the speculation. They said Kate would be back after Easter and reiterated that remained the same after the speculation and #WhereIsKate really took off. There’s nothing left for them to do other than live stream Kate’s recovery and post-surgery treatment and have the doctors give a press conference from the throne room once a week. KP did what they could do. The answer is to let #WhereIsKate roll off their backs until she returns.

They can’t combat the internet. We saw this with Harry and Meghan - they can’t combat the stupid shit every time it arises. The logic we have been trying to apply to the Sussexes all this time holds in this current situation with Kate/KP. Address it once maximum and move on. You cannot stop people from talking, all you can do is move past it.

This is so unserious. It is not a big deal. It reflects mildly on Kate right now in the media and she cannot get out there to directly combat the conspiracy bullshit, but that will end in a few weeks and we’ll go to business as usual in a few weeks after that max. The media forgets quickly and the general population on internet forgets even faster. We’re the ones who will remember because we’re active watchers. We can all collectively come to the rational conclusion that this is not a big deal and will not affect Kate’s reputation long-term if we take ourselves out of our bubble and think about this broadly. Wait until she busts out a tiara or hugs a child or wears a beautiful gown or makes a cheeky comment to William - it’ll all go back to business as usual. Pretty princess who is good with kids. She’s far more than that, as we know, but that’s what the media presents her as, and that’s what it’ll go back to, and that’s what the general public will go back to as well, for the most part.

This has literally no effect on the institution or Kate long term. Currently? Yes, it’s a headline and the talk of the town. But if Kate’s image can weather topless photos, her husband’s alleged cheating, the Sussex bullshit, racism accusations, etc. then it can definitely handle #WhereIsKate and the photoshopped picture. Give it a month or two. It’ll all be water under the bridge.

It is so unserious it’s actually funny.

#ask #kate middleton #princess of wales #british royal family

[hael987]

People are saying ep 8 is a filler episode but I really cannot agree with that. It feels so important to me and very much affects the long-term progression of the story.

So what is a filler episode?

An episode that is unrelated to, or doesn’t significantly impact, the main plot or develop the main characters. Can, for the most part, be ignored without losing important info to the series. (x)(x)

I cannot see ep 8 as a filler episode. It’s is a character growth arc that sets the base of emotions, the why, for pretty much the rest of the story. We see Porsche finally attaining happiness and affection, and next we’ll see him trying to keep it. It’s not unrelated or tangential, it’s integral. If we skipped ep 8, there’d be no emotional investment later on. We wouldn’t understand the driving forces behind some decisions and reactions that are going to occur later on. The episode is all about setting up the ‘why’.

Why do people feel like it’s just filler? Is it because the vibe is a little bit light and different? a little bit fun and silly, not as serious? Is it because the emotional changes feel a bit jarring and disordered throughout? But that’s the exact point.

It’s predominantly from Porsche’s POV. We get to join him on his journey. The secrecy, the joy, the childishness, the cringey parts — this is Porsche navigating his very first dating experience. It’s juvenile in nature because he never got to experience these things in youth and is experiencing it now. We see his insecurity and his desire to learn and accept this new truth. We feel how precious it is for him. It’s all growth. How can that not be relevant to the plot and character development?

Why is it automatically filler just because it’s different from usual? Why is it filler just because it’s centred in happiness? It might have a change from the usual vibe but it’s still relevant to the plot re: Porsche’s experience, growth, liberation; Kinn’s experiences, growth, liberation; and the KinnPorsche dynamic and growth as a unit. 

They’re two young people dating and in love. It’s not filler, it’s the reality they’re currently living in -- they’re in their own world, disconnected from the realities of mafia life. They’re not “Mafia Kinn” and “Bodyguard Porsche”, they’re just Kinn and Porsche dating, they’re not considering their mafia-centric roles so why, as an audience, should we? They’re indulging in each other and the joy of it all, facing their true selves. Is it a break from the mafia scene? Yes, but that’s the point. It’s important to set up how it feels in the bubble so we, as an audience, are aware of exactly what it means when the bubble later bursts. 

Not only is the episode important to the plot but it’s important to what KP the series is trying to present as a whole. The journey of liberation from repression, being able to freely express one’s true self and discovering what that actually means.  This change in tone matches P’Mile and P’Apo’s vision showing that love is love regardless — the real-ness, the complexity, the multitudes.

Maybe that’s why I don’t have a problem with the episode. I can feel the plot relevancy and the wider relevancy. The vibe is very reminiscent of my own experiences as a queer youth journeying into the freedom of adulthood and subsequent foray into relationships. The experience of things my peers got to experience in their youth — the fun, cringey and juvenile feel of it all — instead being experienced in adulthood. I think it’s a pretty poignant vibe, it’s important to depict it. It’s important to show that starting later in life still allows for happiness.

#kinnporsche #kinnporsche the series #kinnporsche thoughts #kinnporsche ep 8 #kp discourse #maybe?

[bcbdrums]

I saw the Reddit drama. Please explain why Drakgo is a more interesting ship than KimRon.

first, thanks for the ask! second, whoaaaaaaa i wouldn't presume to label one ship more interesting than another. some people will find ships interesting, others won't.

i'll give a diff example. in my other current hyperfixation, soul eater, my friend adores Ship A while i'm all about Ship B. her ship IS interesting to me! i think those chars are the most shippable in the show, they're basically canon w/o PDA, and they are deeply complex both as individual chars and as a couple.

they're just... not the ones i'm hyperfixated on. doesn't make them uninteresting.

what makes a person's brain and heart grab onto one ship and not another? who can say.

a lack of personal interest in a ship does not make it objectively uninteresting, or worse... and a ship having way more attention than another in fandom doesn't objectively make that ship more interesting, or better.

CAN a person make canonical objective arguments for or against ships? certainly.

let's just grab characters from KP to use as example. Bonnie and Brick. canonically a couple for more than one episode! we do not get a lot of canon info onscreen for them, so most of the interest in them would have to come from fan creations. compare to Kim and Ron, who have infinitely more screentime together, infinitely more individual character development than Bonnie and Brick both as individuals and as a couple...

one could argue that Kim/Ron is more interesting than Brick/Bonnie. there's more to grab from the canon at least. but if a person wants to draw/write/talk at length about Brick/Bonnie? why not!

no reason to be hating on any ship. if it's not your ship, then just...don't engage?? especially if you're against said ship.

now me, personally, i find Drakgo more interesting than Kim/Ron. (altho recent convo with @creatorping got my Kim/Ron juices flowing again). Drakgo just appeal to me more as characters, with their gritty backgrounds, a lot more unknowns to explore, the challenge of two villains developing a mutual trusting relationship so they can have a happily ever after... that just grabs my mind and heart more than the perfect girl and her adorkable boyfriend. it doesn't mean Kim and Ron aren't interesting, cuz ohhhhh they are! mostly post-canon for me because...who ARE they, after high school?? who is Kim other than the student who saves the world? what's she gonna do with her life? and what is Ron gonna do? he absolutely can't go to the same college as her, and she can't ditch a good opportunity to go to a community college with him... my hang-up has always been that Kim wasn't given enough individual development onscreen to do anything interesting with her post-canon. but aforementioned convo with Ping changed my mind, heheh. 😏

in any case, the point... one ship isn't more or less interesting. one ship isn't better or worse than another. it's us, the viewer, who either will or won't be interested.

so as i've always said.... ship and let ship. don't like? don't interact. don't hate on someone else's ships or headcanons or POVs... (reddit...)

and, that's not the same thing as discourse. discussing characters, discussing points of view, interpretations... sharing various headcanons... with willing parties who want to enter into that conversation! THAT is a major part of fandom! but it's all in how one goes about it. and! should people come to disagree about interpretations of characters, also fine!

i think the issue arises when people start to act like... my interpretation is correct OR, my interpretation is the only valid one. when people get up on that horse, that's where the problems arise... it can be tough if you feel like you're the only person WITH a certain POV, but... again, if the folks you're chatting with aren't into it, then find other people. i'm in that boat with some soul eater headcanons, but, that's okay. i don't need to convince everyone else in the fandom in order rto enjoy my thoughts. i'll still talk about them, but, not with the idea of telling anyone my view is the only view. that's the antithesis of what fandom is about. i'll talk about them because i enjoy talking about them, to like-minded folk, and on my own blog which is what a blog is for.

and, idk why it shows up so often in the KP fandom, especially the Drakgo side, that people can't simply say "hey i have this headcanon!" and someone respond with "oh that's neat!" and just. happily co-exist. everyone creating their things, sharing their things. and people will like what they like, as they always have, in every fandom. and if they don't like someone's idea, that's fine too!

but it's not worth fighting about?? it never is! it's just not that important. it's fandom. it's fun. it's our escape. if one feels SO strongly against a concept, or ship, or whatever.... then you don't interact with it. you don't make it your mission to disprove the other person. you don't actively seek out opportunities to hate on a point of view you dislike. that's not how fandom is supposed to be. find your people, and chill with them.

let's all be positive in the various fandom spaces.

i hadn't intended that to be such a rant, but...well, there you have it. sorry it probably was not what you wanted to hear, but yeah. thanks again for the ask!!

#kim possible #drakgo #kim x ron #kimron #soul eater #drakken #shego #drakken x shego #ron stoppable #ask answer #bumping this up in queue for REASONS lol

[absolutebl]

Hi ABL!! This is more of a data question then anything but it might not actually be answerable.

How does the world of BL define a successful show? Is it money made on ads revenue? Streams? Trending hashtags??

Granted in North American media I also couldn’t answer this question, but I could gage based on…article reviews or critical acclaim. Or something.

I see soooooo many people saying something flopped or was massively successful, but truly. How on earth are we making those benchmarks?

I figure you might have at least a tiny sliver of insight into how this works! Or at least a key word I can take to google LOL. Thanks as always!!!!!

Hum.

Well for GMMTV et al, it's YT views. So that's easy. We can see those eyeballs outright.

The streaming platforms obfuscate data (that is one of the reasons SAG is still on strike) but we can see things like where it's ranked on their internal leader boards (what's "popular on Viki" for example). How many reviews something has. How many collections and lists it's on. How many people on MDL have it listed as "currently watching"

More key is how much chatter a show is getting. How many comments. But also...

Literally when you do a Google search for that IP:

How are the hit returns?

How many top spots does it hold above the fold on Google main (using private or incognito mode).

Are people blogging about it? Think pieces?

Are there reaction vids?

FMVs?

Reddit chatter?

BTS's?

Interviews with actors?

The amount of fan content generated around an IP tells you a lot about the number of viewers - since it is all a numbers game. Commenters (those who visibly/trackably react to content) are more common than (content) creators. Ghosts (passive consumers) are more common than commenters.

There are those in EntDA working on formulas for predictive fan base numbers sourced in the ratios of these.

Lemme try to explain...

In other words, the fans who create content for IPs (fanfic, art, meta analysis, FMVs, etc...) are the rarest. Those who interact with the content, leave star reviews, comment on the above fan-made content, engage in discourse, leave YT comments, are the second rarest. Those who tend to do nothing more than ... well, ghost (maybe have a subscription, maybe save the vid to a playlist or on MDL, maybe read this on Tumblr but don't react to it). They are the largest contingent but hardest to track.

If we could get a good handle on the first 2, there's usually a predictable ratio that can be drawn for the fan base as a whole, the largest number 3 - ghosts.

For example:

For every 1 creator there are 100 commenters and 1000 ghosts. Something like that. However the nature of this ratio is dependent on venue and vocality of the fan base (often a generational thing). So like, most Kpop stans are vocal, but 4th gen stans tend to be more noisy online, even though 3rd gen groups tend to have bigger overall fan bases. (Superstars, like super hits, are non-viable non-predictive outliers. There can never be another KP, or 2g, and we can't use their numbers to predict anything. Just like Taylor Swift or BTS can't be used to predict/estimate the success of a new pop venture).

back to the BL fandom

Here on Tumblr you can tell what's popular by which ones are getting the most gifsets.

That's how we know Only Friends is out performing Dangerous Romance. (I mean I could check the numbers on YT but I don't really have to.)

Also, I bet you good money Kiseki is garnering more eyeballs than You Are Mine. Again, I can say that with confidence just based on the content that's being created for that IP in this one venue.

On a practical level, in the ET industry, if there is chatter about a BL outside of BL circles (as happened with KP) you know it's gotten HUGE (by BL standards).

The moral of this story, incidentally, is if you like a thing, doesn't matter how shy you are, if you want it to continue, get a second season, whatever, you gotta NOT JUST WATCH IT BUT TALK about it. Online, where careers are made and broken. Squeaky wheel and all that.

Entertainment is about attention. More money is always thrown at the thing getting the most attention.

Just like politics.

Okay, I done now.

#asked and answered #probably more than you wanted #ABL dusted off big data #in the end it's a numbers game #and we here us on tumblr we're some of those numbers #congratz you asked a question you're being tracked! #yay!

[mrmrswales]

On another day of ‘stans are ridiculous’ — Andrew Parsons who have been working with KP on-off for quite some time, years even, but has in the past few months I think been hired to cover their engagements more regularly. He used to be the official photographer at Downing Street and BoJo’s photographer, but I think he’s freelancing now… and he’s also in a relationship with Rhiannon Mills.

Anyway, yesterday he posted pictures of William’s engagement in Cornwall as he usually does when working with KP, but because the pictures where released to the media before KP posted themselves those Charles stans seemed to pick up on Andrew’s name — bear in mind this is far from the first time he has worked with KP — and now apparently William is this master schemer trying to curate his image in a certain way, bypassing the royal rota (never mind there was media in Cornwall but the rota was focused on Biden’s visit) and how awful that is.

I can personally side eye a bit that they’ve hired someone who is in a relationship with a journalist that covers them quite closely, but I can also side eye them exclusively using Chris Jackson sometimes due to his relationship with Natasha, but as long as everyone is professional I don’t really a problem with it. But these people… I feel like they see 2 + 2 and get 568 🤡

I saw some of the discourse about that and it made me laugh.. Andrew has been working for KP for a while, this is not brand new information. Also yesterday's visit was not an official engagement as it did not go into the CC.. and the cherry on top? he's photographed Charles before too

I've never been a fan of C&C but it really makes me laugh how these twitter people think they are doing him a service by acting all stupid and childish. like yall just make him look like a jealous/petty child

[supersonicart]

Samantha Harrison's “Pleasing Sorrow”

Currently on view at KP Projects in Los Angeles, California until March 11th, 2023 is artist Samantha Harrison's solo exhibition, "Pleasing Sorrow."

Samantha Harrison’s work focuses inward, toward the self, capturing in painted, drawn, and embroidered on textiles, the multifaceted thoughts that run compulsively through the mind. The work is a process of excavation and exorcism, observation and catharsis, from which new skin can grow. Introspective, self-deprecating, rebellious, and self-aware, each medium, including a new series of videos being shown for the first time, echoes the duality of the artist’s discourse with desire, worth, love and forgiveness. 

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[thatgirl4815]

Will Pete cave or will Vegas cave? 

Up to this point, I have been operating under the assumption that Vegas will submit to Pete’s lightness and at least try to redeem himself for all the sadistic manipulation he’s pulled so far. But Vegas seems so utterly irredeemable while Pete seems so comparatively susceptible to corruption...I can’t help but wonder if maybe I’ve been interpreting it all wrong and Pete really will be the one to sacrifice his lightness for the darkness of Vegas. 

I’ve said before that I don’t think Pete is a masochist--or, at least, I don’t think there is enough evidence to prove that he is up to this point. But there is likely some psychological battle that Pete is already fighting that will make itself known next episode. And over on KP Reddit, I’ve seen some discourse about who exactly will be changing who. Since Vegas is so blatantly sadistic with remarkably few, if any, redemptive qualities, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pete is the one that gives in because Vegas shows no sign of turning towards the light side. If there were glimmers, maybe I’d think differently. But I see no glimmers.

As someone with fairly little knowledge of the book plot, I predict that Pete’s inner turmoil will revolve around a strange—perhaps even overwhelming—pull to Vegas that he can’t reconcile with his own morals. He’s said in the past that there are no good guys or bad guys, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a greater ethical question surrounding Vegas. Pete knows Vegas is evil at his core, he knows he likes to manipulate people, he knows he enjoys watching other people suffer. But when you’ve seen all the darkness inside of someone, when you’ve been the target of that person’s ill-intentions, how do you make sense of the obsessive pull you feel towards them? He’s conflicted, even more conflicted than Porsche felt towards Kinn (and vice versa). There will be a fair amount of traumatic fallout from the torture itself, but the majority of Pete’s dilemma will be about his feelings.

If they had more time, maybe Pete would take more time working through his psychological trauma. But there isn’t much show left, so I don’t think that will be the focus of the conflict.

Lots of speculation here, so please disregard if none of it turns out like I thought. 😶

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[thefreeblog]

The Rain Payu scene was a good one I'll give you that, but it's hardly the best in Thai BL. KinnPorsche recently, why r u? Cutie pie , check out , tharntype all had excellent NC scenes.

All right, no need with the discourse anon.

Whether it's best or not it's an individual choice imo.

I have watched all the above series you mentioned other that Check Out so I can tell each has its different appeal.

I think when we started watching Love in the air, we didn't expect it to be this detailed with the NC scenes. I think the shock factor also plays a part.

Why r u? was good but the scenes looked so repetitive, endless kissing (not complaining). It did a good job with the script they had where P'Fight was kind of reluctant and then Tutor eased him into the sex part. I don't remember now, but I don't think they did a scene where we see foreplay, the actual action and the after glow.

KinnPorsche did this in all of the sex scenes, but all the characters were experienced beforehand. Personally I think Vegas Pete and the KP mutual handjob scenes take the awards if there are any.

Cutie pie was good kissing but I got bored of shy Kuea. So I only watched the scenes for Lian.

No comments about TharnType.

What I liked best in Love in the air is the way they have handled the progress of their intimacy.

Go watch their first time together again, once Rain mentions he has never done it before, P'Payu is completely focused on pleasing Rain. Rain just lies there and is feeling it all. When they reach the climax P'Payu kisses him so soft. Where as in Ep 6 scenes we see Rain taking charge, he never stops being handsy or kissing. He even talks about liking it while they are mid action. And it is he who kisses P'Payu softly when they reach the climax. (He is learning fast 😂)

I think it's the first time I have seen this kind role reversal or sexual agency from supposedly an uke character in a Thai BL.

Because of which it stands out.

Sorry for the word vomit on NC scenes in Thai BL. You asked and I answered. 🙈

Extra points for lip biting and licking tongues. Has any other BL done that before?

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