#kill the moon

[vampiremotif]

#🦇 #currently watching #dw lb #doctor who #clara oswald #kill the moon

[notyoujamie]

Borrowing from the past: — Fourth + Twelfth

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[thefiresofpompeii]

the main mistake that people who dislike s8 and put it low in their series rankings make is the belief that, like any other series (apart from s9), it’s a collection of standalone stories tied together by some vague throughline i.e. missy’s ‘heaven’. “oh, this episode’s mid, that episode’s bad” meanwhile it’s not about individual episodes at all. i firmly believe that it should be viewed as a singular long serial.

so grateful that i was extremely late to the party and binged it all in a week instead of watching every episode as they were airing, because sometimes the plots barely matter at all. do you remember what the skovox blitzer actually looks like or what it wanted with coal hill in the first place? hardly. i had to google its name. but what you do remember from the caretaker is twelve acting like an antagonistic prick towards danny, and that’s what matters. almost every villainous entity is some kind of soldier, the contempt twelve shows to everybody but clara becomes the source of their toxicity… in the forest of the night is pretty obviously rubbish scifi, but it demonstrates danny’s fundamental incompatibility with clara, as well as the scene in which clara is ready to sacrifice herself and her students for the doctor’s sake, foreshadowing their reckless, almost suicidal codependency.

point is, but it really does work best as a tightly woven tapestry. sure, some episodes succeed individually, but most of the individual plots are mildly exciting only in a ‘this is fun to watch for kids’ way… UNLESS you approach them from the overarching perspective. i.e. mummy on the orient express has wonderful style, a thrilling mystery, creative concepts and interesting side characters, but its story appeal hinges on the twelveclara failed breakup. listen is frightening enough, but its entire story appeal hinges on just how much clara affects the doctor’s values past and present, and whether or not she has a future with danny (she doesn’t).

what i’m saying is, the narrative in s8 is a non-negotiable package deal. buy one, get them all. and it has no skips. i hate the idiotic pro-life message in kill the moon as much as the next sensible person, but what the episode does well is really hammer home how much of a sanctimonious asshole twelve initially is, which is crucial to his future character evolution.

tldr; the correct way to watch series 8 is all in one go. series 8 is great. more love for series 8

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[man049]

After finally getting around to watching Kill The Moon I was very much surprised, pleasantly in fact.

While the abortion metaphor is 100% a valid reading you can make of the story, I don't buy it being the true conflict and message of the episode. Knowing that apparently Peter Harness didn't intend this to be an abortion metaphor, I can let it pass as what is probably a writer's political views subconsciously leaking into the script.

Judging the story literally and not metaphorically. It's about choosing if it's right/worth to kill an innocent being to save the lives of many.

This is literally the trolley problem.

Then you remember that this episode works as a sort of prelude for Mummy On The Orient Express and the true intentions of this episode come to light.

This is a story about having no "good choices", about taking risks when you aren't sure what's going to happen.

Clara is put way more in a bad light than what most people say. Clara is left speechless and with no counter arguments to what Lundwik argues and concedes to letting earth decide. When she finally pushes the button it was clearly a sudden and irrational move.

Clara outright says she didn't know what was going to happen, that she wasn't planning to press the button. Clara didn't make this choice because of knowing what was for the best, she did it because she couldn't bear the weight of intentionally killing an innocent being. She gambled, she took a leap of faith and it paid off.

Beyond the choice itself. Another big aspect of the episode is why The Doctor put Clara in this situation.

The Doctor is lonely. Everybody knows that. But even when companions are close to him, he still feels alone because there's nobody in the universe like him.

He can relate to some, but there's always a thing or two getting in the way (for example Time Lords being dead). So he craves, he strongly craves for someone like him. When The Doctor is asked why he wants to rehabilitate Missy a big reason he gives is the fact she is the only person somewhat similar to him.

The Doctor desires someone he can relate to so badly it makes him want to redeem the person who destroyed 1/4 of the universe.

And now in an adventure with her he finds a situation in which they have to decide if they are willing to stop the birth of a living being to save the lives of many? That sounds familiar.

Just like Nine brought Rose to the future so she could also experience what it's like seeing your planet explode and be the last member of your species, Twelve put Clara in this situation so she could experience what it's like to be the one who makes the big choices.

The Doctor all the time makes decisions that affect the lives of many. Decisions that most of the time he isn't sure if they will work. He risks it all every day. It brings him a lot of pain but he feels forced to do it because he thinks no one else can. He always has to save humanity because he thinks none of them could do what he does.

This... Sadly brings out the uncomfortable truth. Which is that The Doctor does look down upon humans. Don't get me wrong, he adores them, he would give it all to be like them. But he is aware that he considers himself superior to humanity, which is a side of him he (usually) tries to keep in check.

Humanity is for The Doctor what animals are for humanity. We love animals, we admire what they can do and even envy them in some areas, but we still don't consider them as capable, as intelligent as us.

This side of The Doctor can be seen as far back as the first episode of the revival. Calling humans stupid apes, and describing them as a species on it's first baby steps. Because of it, he wants them to be better, he knows how amazing they can and will be and wants them to achieve their potential.

What I'm getting at is that he feels like he is the only one who has to make the big choices, he feels alone taking that burden. But at the same time, he likes it, he enjoys taking these decisions, and he would be more than pleased to have someone right by his side taking them as well.

This is about nurturing Clara into becoming something greater. In his eyes, this means stop being a little human and grow to be the tiniest little bit similar to him.

All of this makes me remember that one moment in The End Of Time Part 2.

The Doctor said humans look like giants, he never said they look bigger than him.

#ramblings #doctor who #nuwho #12th doctor #the twelfth doctor #clara oswald #whouffaldi #whouffle #twelveclara #kill the moon

[lokittystuckinatree]

Screw you, BBC, Thoschei will outlive the moon!

No, the real moon in the sky outside, not the one in the Whoniverse, we don’t talk about that -

#thoschei #Twissy #tensimm #spydoc #kill the moon #salt #shitpost

[gallifreyanhotfive]

Step 1: Crack open the Moon egg.

Step 2: Create a massive omelette.

Step 3: Solve world hunger.

Step 4: Profit???

#shhhh the tides and shit like that arent important #just OMELETTE #doctor who #dw #dr who #new who #twelfth doctor #clara oswald #kill the moon #i see nothing wrong with this plan /s #certified shitpost #shitpost #crack open that bad boy

[masterreborn]

has this been done before

#i hate this episode so so much but #‘the moon is an egg’ as a concept is fucking hilarious #doctor who series 8 #twelfth doctor #clara oswald #kill the moon #doctor who memes #doctor who #shouting into the vortex

[clairedelune-13]

Kill the Moon is a stupid episode. That’s obvious.

But that bit at the end. Jenna’s performance was Oscar-worthy, always gives me chills.

#doctor who #kill the moon #clara oswald #twelfth doctor #jenna coleman #peter capaldi

[comicaloverachiever]

Clara...the moon, this little planetoid that's been tagging along beside you for a hundred million years, which gives you light at night and seas to sail on, is in the process of falling to bits.

Doctor Who | Kill the Moon

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[amy-is-a-mess]

12 just fucking off right at the start of Kill The Moon was the right choice tbh, I wouldn't stick around for that episode either

#twelfth doctor #dw #doctor who #dr who #kill the moon

[khruschevshoe]

The Beast Below & Kill The Moon as Foils

The interesting thing to me about The Beast Below and Kill the Moon as episodes is that they operate on a very similar concept: there is a living (very BIG) thing that functions as the only thing that keeps large swathes of humanity safe/alive and they both end with a bit of a cop-out where that Thing stays right where it is but how the themes of those episodes are WILDLY different based on how the Doctor&Companiok interactions play out.

The Beast Below is an exploration of how the Doctor does what is necessary, what he thinks is right and kindest to the most number of people, but that sometimes he is wrong, incredibly wrong, and that it is very essential for him to listen to his companions, to give them a choice, and also that at the end of the day, the Doctor is the Star Whale, he is lonely and pained and kind, that this is the ethos of the show: the Doctor is kind but he really needs to be stopped and reminded of it sometimes (really great parallels with the end of the Runaway Bride/Fires of Pompeii, in a way).

But Kill the Moon is all about how the Doctor is right. How he will always be right. That he knows better than his companions, that he always holds all the cards, that he is cruel to teenage girls and tells them they're not special and knew all along what was going to happen but didn't tell his companion just to see what she would do, but her decision didn't matter at the end of the day, not to him, not to the problem at hand, because the Doctor knows everything and is right and God, disregarding the other major problems with this episode it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth in comparison to the Beast Below. That in this episode, the Doctor is not a god that needs to be reminded of his humanity but a god that is cruel and all-knowing and somehow right in that. I've talked about how the Beast Below embodies the ethos of Doctor Who to me; Kill the Moon, at least in how the Doctor acts, feels like the opposite.

#clara oswald #twelfth doctor #amy pond #eleventh doctor #the beast below #doctor who #meta #listen it's abt getting that Doctor & companion dynamic right #and it's so weird to me that in a season all about Clara becoming more like the Doctor we get this one where she functionally has no agency #kill the moon #clara oswin oswald #I think that is why i like season 9/10 twelfth eoctor so much more than eight #tho i do enjoy dark water/death in heaven to an EXTENT #bc twelve is too cruel and “godly” and not the Doctor #you have to balance cruelty and kindness in the Doctor #the runaway bride #fires of pompeii

[purplehalnw]

Okay so I just watched the Doctor Who episode "Kill the Moon" and....

Okay I knew that twelve's era had a pro-life episode but I didn't expect it to be this early. And tbh when I first heard abt it I just figured "ok I'll eventually come across it and it'll definitely suck but afterwards I can probably just laugh at it, write it off as a bad episode, and move on right?".

But then I watched the end and it turns out this episode sets up a whole fucking conflict between Clara and the Doctor regarding their manipulative behavior.... Like jesus christ. This fucking sucks bc tbh I actually kinda like this scene and the conflict they established and it's obviously going to be really important in future episodes... But unfortunately it's permanently attached to all of this pro-life bullshit.

#doctor who #the doctor #twelve #twelfth doctor #12th doctor #kill the moon #dw #clara oswald #clara oswin #clara oswin oswald

[heyitsspaceace]

kill the moon out of context

#ABSOLUTELY NOT I HATE THIS MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF #i hate it i hate it i hate it #clara oswald #doctor who #dr who #dw #12th doctor #twelfth doctor #kill the moon

[dougielombax]

Maybe the real moon was the friends we made along the way.

*IT WASN’T*

#Dougie rambles #moon #shut up #my poor attempt at a joke #what #no context #moonfall #brain fart #shitpost #embermythos #empyrean rings #analog horror #doctor who #kill the moon #local 58

[somethingbrightly]

the pitch for "kill the moon" must have been "what if we made "the beast below" but it was bad?"

#doctor who #new who #kill the moon #the beast below #somethingbrightly

[justahumblememefarmer]

Ultimate Doctor Who Poll Round 1 - Matchup 5

Episode Summaries under the cut

106: Twice Upon a Time - Season 10 Christmas Special: The Doctor, refusing to regenerate, is taken by the TARDIS to meet his first incarnation, who is also conflicted about regenerating. They encounter a Captain from World War I being hunted by a group called Testimony. Testimony offers to return the Doctor's deceased companion, Bill, to him in exchange for the captain. The Doctor takes her and escapes with Bill, the Captain, and his younger self. To learn more about Testimony, the Doctor travels to a huge galactic database, run by a Dalek the Doctor had encountered before. In the database, he learns that Testimony extracts people from their timelines at the moment of their death and archive their memories. The Bill that's with them is an avatar created from her memories. Realizing that there is no evil to fight, the Doctor returns everybody to their timelines, returning the Captain to the Christmas Armistice, allowing him to live. The First Doctor returns to his TARDIS to regenerate. The Twelfth Doctor's memories of Clara are restored and he is bid farewell by avatars of her, Nardole, and Bill before reentering his TARDIS to regenerate into the Thirteenth Doctor.

151: Kill The Moon - Season 8, Episode 7: The Doctor takes Clara and one of her students on a trip to the moon. They arrive in a space shuttle in the future on their way to the moon. The moon has been increasing in mass, causing several issues on Earth, so the crew of the ship are on a mission to destroy the moon. They are attacked by several spider-like creatures, which they determine are gigantic antibodies of the creature living inside the moon, which is actually an egg. The creature is gaining mass as it prepares to hatch from the egg. Clara communicates with the people of Earth, offering them the chance to vote for either killing the creature in the moon before it hatches and stopping any further mass changes, or allowing it to live and hatch and living with whatever consequences that brings. Earth votes to kill it, but Clara overrides them and allows it to live. The Doctor takes everybody back to Earth and they watch the creature hatch, flying away after laying another moon-egg to take it's place.

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