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taaroko · 3 years

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sorry about the vagueness, for context I’d been reading responses to the new what if…? and how a common interpretation is it confirms that Loki was never a runt and that Odin lied to kidnap him. I’ve been in the fandom since 2011 so I’m familiar with a lot of the popular meta like this one, but it surprised me that many evidently insist an interesting fanon theory is actual canon writing. tbh it is disservice to nuanced storytelling and fandom discussion when ppl can’t tell headcanon from canon

Oof. Yeah I've noticed a few fanon things like the Loki eye color thing and abusive Odin and Thor being specifically Pop-Tarts obsessed. (Come on, guys, he ate ONE box of them and didn't even find them filling. It's not like they're his favorite food.) It's wild. In the P&P fandom it doesn't go much farther than an unspoken agreement that Mr. Bennet's first name is Thomas, Colonel Fitzwilliam's first name is Richard, and Caroline Bingley loves to wear orange. In the MCU fandom it goes so much farther. I've only been around in the online fandom since Ragnarok, so I missed seeing most of it develop.

I think the "Odin's been underfeeding Loki!" interpretation has some crackfic potential, but come on guys. That's not how malnourishment works. He looks like a perfectly healthy human-sized guy. The proportions would be very different if he grew up basically starving, and there's no way Frigga would've allowed that anyway even if Odin somehow would. I also have a difficult time with the idea that they enchanted him to stay small or that his own shapeshift would've stopped any extra growth, but that might have more to do with me wanting conservation of mass to be a thing than it not actually being plausible with Asgardian magic.

It still feels like the Thor corner of the fandom got off easy compared to the warring Tony vs. Steve factions, which are astonishingly good at vilifying the rival character while convincing themselves the horrible things they've extrapolated are canon rather than highly ungenerous interpretations. I'm just glad I happened to like Thor best and Steve and Tony about equally so I didn't have to deal with that.

#fandom would be a lot better if more people appreciated nuance #and understood the concept of unreliable narrators #what if...?#thanks for the ask!

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lokigodofaces · 3 years

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We all know Loki basically went through a massive mental breakdown in Thor (gosh every time I watch that film I want to jump in the screen and give Loki a hug). And it is completely reasonable, between being belittled by friends and family since childhood, never being taken seriously, abusive and manipulative parents, etc, etc, etc. And, y'know, to top it all off, finding out his "dad" kidnapped him when he were a baby for the sake of having a political pawn. And also finding out he was a Jotun, a race he was raised to hate by said abusive parents that knew he was Jotun and intended on telling him eventually (since Odin wanted Loki to be the bridge between Asgard and Jotunheim). All of that means it is entirely reasonable for Loki to go to drastic measures to prove his worth to his family and Asgard.

I am not at all trying to belittle any of that. I 100% agree with everything in the above paragraph. That is all canon, all confirmed in canon. I am about to venture into a headcanon. I am writing a fanfiction where this is the case at the moment, and thought you'd be interested.

During the events of Thor, Thanos had the mind stone in the Chitauri scepter. We know that said scepter can control minds and greatly influence the thoughts and actions of minds not in total control (here and here). We know that Loki was influenced by the scepter. What if Thanos didn't start manipulating Loki post-Thor? What if he had been manipulating Loki throughout Thor, but much less noticeabley (that can be explained by distance)?

Thanos must have known who Loki was. He's an Asgardian prince. And Asgard, Midgard, Svartalfheim, and possibly other realms are important in the history of the Infinity Stones. They also use magic (*cough* technology *cough*) that is unique compared to the rest of the universe (possibly because of said connection to the Infinity Stones or to other relics). Thanos would've done his homework, and he would've found out about Loki. If we were able to figure out so much about what Loki must have gone through as a child from twenty minutes of screen time, Thanos would have known. He would have seen someone close to breaking. He would have seen someone malleable. He would have seen someone easy to manipulate.

Imagine Thanos sending mild influences to Loki from lightyears away, not certain it would work, so not betting on it. Loki lets the frost giants in, what we can assume from Fandral's line ("Loki's always been one for mischief, but you're talking about something else entirely") is the only really bad thing Loki's done up to this point. Before that, everything has been fun and games. Even the stabbing mentioned in Thor: Ragnarok (here is a post on my thoughts on that) wasn't all that bad. But letting Jotuns trespass is a big no-no, which is understandable. But, not big enough for Thanos to really care. Then Thor, Loki, and co. go to Jotunheim, and it happens. A Jotun touches Loki, turning Loki's skin blue. Thor is banished. Soon after, Loki gets Odin to confess to adopting kidnapping Loki as a baby because it was politically strategic. And Odin falls into the Odinsleep. And Loki is completely alone, betrayed by his "parents," fearing his brother will kill him if Thor finds out.

This, Thanos can use. Loki is having a full blown mental breakdown. Thanos only needs to guide Loki to a position where he can end up on Sanctuary. He hardly has to do anything, Loki is already so broken, and Thor, Frigga, and Odin are no help. Odin was the main culprit behind Loki's attempted suicide, but Thanos had his share. Jotunheim's destruction was influenced by Thanos moreso than other events, but a lot of that was still Loki. After all, didn't Thor try the same thing earlier? Didn't Odin raise Loki to hate his own race? Wouldn't Odin do this in the Hela-era? But I'm writing it as Thanos being behind Loki being so desperate/determined to destroy Jotunheim, whereas if Thanos weren't involved he'd be more hesitant, and could maybe have been talked down.

Just a fun little headcanon for the sake of fanfiction to make everything more angsty and make Loki need more hugs.

#loki laufeyson #thanos #mind stone #thor (2011)#headcanon

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iamartemisday · 4 years

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90 and 32 for Loki and your choice?

Is there really a choice? lol

Pregnancy Fic + Unexpected Virgin

...hoo boy.

Okay, so Loki decides one day to go to Midgard. No real reason why. He’s just bored.

While there, he meets some mildly interesting people, including a young woman about to graduate college named Jane Foster. She’s just escaped an incredibly painful blind date and Loki further helps her avoid the hapless human by pretending to kiss her in an alleyway. Her hot breath on his face actually makes him think of kissing her for real, but that’s a ridiculous notion. What kind of prince would he be cavorting with mortals?

Regardless, as they talk about life and Jane’s plans for grad school, he finds himself intrigued by her. She’s highly intelligent for her species and while her grip on the Bifrost could not be more basic, if anyone was going to figure it out, he’d say it was her.

Over the next month or so, Loki starts visiting Midgard and Jane more and more. As far as she knows, he’s another student like her home for summer break. As they grow closer, Loki thinks more and more about what it would be like to kiss her. Finally, the day comes and by Odin, can she ever kiss.

Of course, there’s no way something like this can last. Even putting aside Loki’s greater longevity, there are so many people out there he’s pissed off. If they know a vulnerable mortal woman has caught his eye, no way they won’t take advantage.

That’s how Jane ends up a hostage of one of Loki’s many enemies. He is able to save her and kill the perpetrator, but he realizes now that their relationship can only end in pain. He knows now just how deeply in love with her he’s fallen. He loves her so much that he can find it in himself to erase every trace of him from her memory. Everything from their first meeting to the day they first kissed. He gives her one more kiss before he leaves her, pouring all his love and magic into it. Along with a wish that one day, somehow, their paths would cross again.

And so, Loki leaves her. Jane wakes up the next morning in her apartment with no recollection of her harrowing adventure or the prince she once loved. It’s as if nothing ever happened.

Except as the days go by, Jane starts to have some odd symptoms. She’s weirdly sick in the morning and feels faint during the day. She’s moodier than usual, only wants to eat food she hates and gets random headaches.

There is an obvious answer that is also completely impossible. Jane is not ashamed to admit she’s never had sex (like it even matters how long someone waits). In fact, she hasn’t dated since that one awful blind date a few months ago (every time she thinks about it she feels sad for no reason, and she still can’t figure out why). Days later, the symptoms persist. As a joke, she buys a home pregnancy test. Not like it’s going to mean anything.

The test comes back positive.

Jane buys three more. All positive.

She goes to the doctor, who confirms it.

Pregnant.

Now, this is a major problem because again, Jane has never had sex. She rarely drinks and hasn’t been to a bar recently. A few guys in her department like her, but there was no way they’d ever do something like that to her. Right?

The time frame of conception is determined. Jane recalls a day during that time when she did go to the bar, and now that she thinks about it, her memory of that week is a bit spotty...

At that point, Jane, being the determined woman she is, decides she can’t worry about what might’ve happened right now. She needs to think about what is happening. The obvious answer is abortion. That or adoption. How can she, a grad student going into astrophysics of all things, take care of a child? It’s not that she doesn’t want kids, it’s the idea never even crossed her mind because she’s just that focused on her goal.

Now, motherhood is an actual reality. It’s still early enough for her to make an appointment at the clinic. She’s online researching, still unsure if she’s actually going to call, when she feels something. At first, she thinks she’s imagining it. She feels her stomach and there it is again. The tiniest movement. Maybe not even a movement at all. Maybe just a heartbeat...

At that moment, something fundamental within Jane changes. She closes her current web search and opens a new one on pregnancy guides and nearby baby stores.

A few months later, Jane’s daughter is born. While it’s definitely a bit on the nose given the circumstances, Jane can’t resist writing Christina on the birth certificate.

It’s not as hard as she thought it would be. Erik and her mother are both huge helps. They immediately fall in love with the baby and watch her while Jane is at school and studying. By the time she gets her degree, Christina is five and has spent the last few years providing constant encouragement for her mother. She walks at Jane’s side during her graduation. She gets a little stuffed bear with a cap and gown while Jane gets her doctorate.

The next few years are a bit hectic. Jane tries to give Christina as much stability as possible. They live in one place for a few years while Jane teaches at the university and builds up goodwill with the staff in order to get the grant money she needs to fund her research. Her efforts finally pay off when Christina is about to turn nine. Jane sets up her lab in New Mexico and they move there for the summer. They might stay longer depending on what Jane finds, but she doesn’t tell Christina that just yet. She’s already complaining about how boring Puente Antiguo is.

To entertain herself, Christina reads and writes about all sorts of fun adventures she could be having. She’s never showed her mom this, or anyone for that matter, but she has a few strange little talents no one else seems to have. For example, she can sometimes move things around without touching them. One time, she swears she turned a mean kid’s hair blue when he was bullying her and her friends. Snakes seem to really like her. She can’t talk to them like Harry Potter, but they do follow her sometimes. There are tons of snakes in New Mexico, but she’s not too bothered by it. They all seem pretty nice.

Soon Darcy arrives and she more or less bonds with her new boss’s kid. When some guy in town starts hassling Darcy, Christina asks one of her snake friends to make him go away and the guy never comes back. Another guy makes fun of Jane on the street, calling her a crackpot. He rather suddenly trips over nothing and knocks a few of his teeth out.

Jane does notice a lot of this stuff, but not once does she think to connect it to her innocent daughter. Meanwhile, Christina is well aware that she’s the one doing this. Somehow or other, she does have powers no one else has, and she’s starting to realize just how strong those powers might be.

It all comes to a head with the arrival of Thor. Jane went out with Darcy and Erik to watch for an incoming storm. Christina had to stay home, as this could be dangerous. So, of course, she snuck along in the back hidden under a blanket. She’s right there when Thor falls from the sky. Terrified that they’re all about to die, Christina unleashes a HUGE wave of magic. Big enough to disrupt the bifrost and send Thor flying into a nearby rock formation. He hits his head hard, and as he is now human. this is not an insignificant injury.

In fact, when they get to the hospital, the poor stranger has already slipped into a coma. Jane is left to comfort her hysterical daughter who won’t stop blaming herself for what happened, She finally admits the truth about her powers to Jane and demonstrates by summoning a pen from the nurse’s station. Jane is shocked and has no idea what to do. Christina interprets this as her mother being scared of her and runs away. Jane chases after her. By the time she turns the corner, Christina is gone. Jane searches the entire hospital, but her little girl is nowhere to be found.

Now comes Loki. He’s been pretty out of it ever since losing Jane. Though it’s been close to a decade on Earth, that barely feels like a week to him. Now Thor has been banished, he has some truly uncomfortable questions to ask Odin about his origins, and to top it all off, one of his old enemies has just randomly appeared with a little girl in tow.

(NOTE: I honestly have no idea who the enemy would be. If I actually wrote this I’d just figure it out later)

His enemy mocks him for growing soft and not protecting his progeny like he should have. Loki has no idea what the hell this guy is talking about until he gets a better look at the girl. Her midnight black hair, terrified blue eyes, that face just like a younger Jane.

Jane...

He hadn’t looked in on her since he left. He just couldn’t bring himself to. Now he wishes to all his ancestors that he had. The enemy issues a challenge, daring him to come and save his newfound daughter. He disappears with Christina, and try as he might, Loki can’t trace where they’ve gone. He has a few ideas, but he’s going to need some help.

And he’s going to need to correct some old mistakes as well.

At the hospital, the police have arrived and are searching for the missing girl. Jane curls up in the waiting room, thinking of everything that led them to this point. If only she hadn’t accepted the grant money. If only she’d gone somewhere else to search for bridges. If only she’d paid enough attention to her own fucking child to know that she was literally psychic. Or magic. Or something!

While she cries, a shadow appears over her. When Jane looks up, a tall man with dark hair and eyes like Christina is watching her.

It all comes flooding back.

She remembers Loki. She remembers their kiss, that monster thing that kidnapped her. Loki saved her, and then he told her they’d never see each other again. Then she woke up at home as if from a dream and it was like he never existed at all.

But he had. She knew now that she had, and she had a daughter to prove it.

Which still begs the question of how. She knows now that they definitely didn’t have sex. Loki’s theory is that his magic somehow infused with latent abilities within Jane herself (she might actually have a small percentage of Asgardian in her) and created a child born of them both. It’s a tenuous idea at best, but it’s all he has right now, and who even cares how Christina was conceived. Point is, she exists and she’s been kidnapped and Thor is in a freaking coma now and can’t help them. Time to gear up and save their kid!

Not going to go into too much detail here as I’ve already written way too much. Basically, Loki teaches Jane to harness the magic within. She already knows a few knife tricks from self-defense classes, so Loki gives her a new knife that never dulls and is virtually indestructible. When she’s ready, they strike out to find their daughter in the enemy’s secret hideout. At some point, Thor wakes up and rushes to help his brother. His willingness to go to a far off planet and fight to the death for a child he’s never met makes him worth of Mjolnir again at just the right time. Loki and Jane rescue their little girl, who instinctively knows her father the moment she sees him. The enemy is defeated and now they’re free to start over and live as the family they were always meant to be.

#Lokane #Loki #Jane Foster #fic prompt #fic I won't write

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sevi007 · 5 years

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Alright, guys, I know I’m, like, a whole year too late to theorize about God of War, and it’s very, very likely that everything that can be theorized about has already been done, but, maybe, bear with me here –

So I just finished my second playthrough of the game the other day, and something made me pause and do a double take, because it made absolutely no sense.

When you finish the game, it starts snowing, right? And several characters (Brok very colorfully even) point out that this must be “Fimbulwinter”, the winter of all winters, and the season that precedes Ragnarok.

That doesn’t sound too weird, but then Mimir comments on it, and he says that this wasn’t supposed to happen, at least not for another hundred of years. And since the Aesir (Odin) and giants alike were super careful about prophecies and collecting everything there is too know about the future, he’s probably right - It’s too early! Way too early!

And then he continues to say something that made me wonder:

“You changed something. You weren’t part of the plan.”

And he, seemingly, addresses both Kratos and Atreus with this.

And here comes the weird part: That can’t be. Because the game just confirmed that Atreus is Loki, and Loki is essential for Ragnarok. Without him, there would be no Jormungandr who kills Thor, no Fenrir to end Odin, there would be no Ragnarok at all, since the countdown to Ragnarok was always Baldur’s death, and it was always Loki who made that happen.

And Ragnarok already happened in a different, distant future, even, because the game also lets you know at one point that the Jormungandr who we meet in the Lake of Nine is there because he was sent back in time after Ragnarok happened, since his fight with Thor damaged the World Tree and thus messed with time itself.

So Atreus – Loki – was very much part of the plan, he’s, like, the heart of the whole thing. No Loki – no world ending. No Fimbulwinter, either.

But still we changed something, because now it’s all happening way too early.

So what exactly did we change?

From here on out, this is all wild guessing and theorizing, but… I think it wasn’t planned that Atreus wasn’t alone after this journey. I think it wasn’t planned that Kratos would survive this.

Remember the murals in Jotunheim? Atreus believed they showed their journey. Kratos corrected him “No, this is your journey”. And it does show everything that happened in the game, yes, but no farther than that. The murals don’t show anything about what happens after Atreus returns home, they don’t show Fimbulwinter or Ragnarok or anything from the future.

You know what the very last picture of the murals shows? It shows Kratos dying, and Atreus mourning.

So my guess here is that that was meant to be the end of the “game”, or Atreus’ journey up to this point. Kratos was meant to die. Probably during their fight with Baldur, or before that – because the murals don’t show Baldur dying, as far as I could see. They don’t show father and son winning. They only show them fighting, and, apparently, Kratos losing.

Think about it: If Kratos hadn’t been around to turn and go back to stop Baldur – to kill him – before he could kill Freya, I don’t think Atreus alone could have done it. Oh, Atreus is strong, and Baldur was mortal, but Baldur is also still stronger and more experienced than Atreus. One on one, a child could not yet have taken the god. Atreus only could have watched as Freya dies. Baldur would have lived – Fimbulwinter wouldn’t have come. And, presumably, at this point, Kratos would have been dead.

So, long story short, I think what we changed was something during the game. Something that caused Kratos to survive, Baldur to die, and Ragnarok to come too early.

Basically, I think what we changed – or what Kratos changed – was his bond with Atreus.

Consider: The relationship with Atreus and Kratos was at an all-time low during the game. It went as far as Atreus attacking his own father, before getting kidnapped by Baldur. That sounds like an absolute parting of possible paths to take – either Kratos finds it in himself to forgive Atreus after that, reforging their bond or he doesn’t and keeps blaming the boy for it, and they fall apart completely.

In this game – in this timeline – we chose the first option. Father and son reconcile and start working together, better than ever. Their teamwork even proved to be extremely important during their fight with Baldur – did you see that team-up? Like a well-oiled machine. Baldur stood little chance against that.

And here comes my guess – in a different timeline (one that already happened, one that caused a Ragnarok in a different future), Kratos chose the second option. He did not forgive. He stayed angry. Atreus stayed angry. They did not reconcile. And they did not work together as well as they could or should have.

And they lost because of it, and Kratos dies, and Baldur lives.

I think that’s what the murals depicted – this second option. This “What-if”, a what-if that even happened in a different timeline. Kratos dies at the end of this journey – the end of the game – and Atreus is left behind a lone, grieving and hurt and angry. Baldur lives, and Fimbulwinter does - not yet - come.

But we have seen what Atreus is capable of when he’s angry and takes a darker turn, didn’t we? He gets quite vengeful. And that was after someone insulted him, even. After something harmless.

What, pray tell, do you think would happen if someone killed his father?

Would he, maybe, go as far as plan the end of the gods?

Would he start Ragnarok on purpose?

Honestly, personally? I think he would. There’s no one left to talk him out of it – no Kratos to set his head right again, and no memory of Faye would have been enough to stop him (it already wasn’t in his last falling out). If Kratos had died – if that prophecy had come to pass – Atreus would have wanted revenge. He couldn’t have gotten it immediately, he didn’t stand a chance against Baldur or Asgard.

But, say, a hundred years later, with more experience and power and a gigantic World Serpent on his side maybe… yes, that probably would have been enough.

In summary, I think that:

* Kratos wasn’t part of the plan, and because he is still alive, it started a chain of events that made Rangarok come a whole century too early

* Had the “plan” come to pass like it should have, Kratos would be dead, Atreus would turn towards a much darker path, would have become Loki, and Ragnarok – years and years later –would be his form of revenge on the gods from taking everything from him

* That last part of the murals would thus be null and void, since we have already prevented Kratos’ death

* We already stopped that particular future and changed it, because father and son reconciled, Kratos lives, Atreus did not become the Loki he could have been (see at the end of the game – it’s more of a joke, but Atreus refuses the name because it sounds weird, and keeps going by Atreus)

* Basically, we just outsmarted destiny itself

#aaaand im done #phew #god of war #gow #god of war 2018 #atreus #kratos #mimir #headcanon #analysis

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