#idk if these are ww or ph

[waywardsalt]

thinking about how wind waker link’s first adventure had him controlling the winds to get around, it being his biggest strength in braving and traversing the seas, and in his next adventure he finds himself on a ship that does not at all require the wind for anything

#idk. like. even if link had the wind waker in ph. it would kinda be totally useless #just some thoughts #loz #legend of zelda #link #wind waker #phantom hourglass #i have yet to play wind waker properly but i think a lot about the differences between ww and ph #in terms of links experiences. like in ph realistically he has little control in where they go. its not his ship #he marks the path and mans the cannon but thats all he likely knows how to do #and hes only allowed to manually steer one time as far as we can see #idk. thoughts. i got ph on the mind and made this connection earlier idk if its anything #i like the idea of his ph adventure being a massive change insofar as… hes not some hero of courage he was just there in time #if that makes sense? ik he doesnt have the spirit of the hero of w/e and hes not specifically chosen #but its scaled back a lot in ph anyone technically couldve stepped up and did what link does #hes not alone he constantly has a fairy tagging along hes got a larger group of constant companions #idk what im trying to get at. maybe im brainstorming link ideas #salty talks #maybe the idea of link kind of wanting to feel needed after ww. if that makes sense. hes afraid of being useless to someone #something like that. he doesnt really want to go back to just being the kid the gods didnt pick bc he feels like. #hm. playing the hero in ww made him feel needed but it also terrified him and that feeling of being needed helped him combat that terror

[squishymochithethird]

Saw a post earlier that I can’t find again but it was something along the lines of “Skyward Sword was the first game to have any sort of Zelink subtext” and I just

Zelink is implied in damn near every game. I think Twilight Princess is the only loz game where Zelink isn’t really a thing…

#also maybe oot? #but idk i think that cutscene in majora could be interpreted as sort of zelink-esque #spirit tracks is pretty self explanatory and link was absolutely down bad for tetra in ww/ph #squishy speaks #squishy rants #loz #idk im tired and rambling about my zelda fixation ignore me

[masonsystem]

watched the trailer n i hope we all kill ourselves i mean actually i was reminded abt what i disliked irt botw.... the plot LOL. curious on how theyll find a balance between a plot-less gameplay (if gameplay still resembles botw) and the plot/story. wonder how fast travel will work now that shrines and towers dont seem to be a thing anymore. also the sky islands STILL look rly boring likee.. also omg so many story elements jeez. but also riju 🥺 and this chick?

interested in her.... DARK SKINNED ZELDA AGAIN.. MAYBE....?

#i hope the experience feels cohesive idk. #looks like theyre going for a lot story wise like hmm. or maybe itll be as meaningless as the story elements of botw #hope thats not the case bc that was irritating.. #well. im not entirely sure how to feel abt it all bc it does still look very Very visually similar to its predecessor. which is 🤔😕 #like in the visual identity sense. for example even tho oot and mm ran in the same engine they still had very differing vibes #likewise for ww and ph #visual identity wise this feels like alttp and albw; a rehash of its predecessor #which im not so enthusiastic abt.. #so much is in the air. i hope its good but hrmmmmm im not betting on anything

[pathesisa]

the marketing strategy for wayv members is so wrong and i will try to explain: (this is not hating towards any members i love all of them)

1 - the first member is xiaojun, sm pushing xiaojun into korean market after that man left was a wrong move, he is not the most marketable member for korean people. he is mcing for 1 year and he is the wayv member who gets korean promo only (bare minimum compare to other units) but it doesn't work, never saw him in the brand reputation list; ten and winwin are the only members who made it to the list. anyways xiaojun is a vocalist who should be sent in singing programs korea already has kibum, bambam kind of male idols who have the same career strategy and are obsessed with gg groups yes short viral moments are good but being labeled as this would be bad for his future career because no one gaf about kibums albums in korea they only interesting his entertainer side, xiaojun is most versatile nct vocalist he needs to market himself as a singer more, if he wants korean fame he should sing in korean but even korean singers won't charting there so i think the best market for xiaojun is mainland, my boy is more talented than any chinese mainstream artist rn. he is just talented and needs to focus on his talents more than his entertainer side because it's shadowing his talents. i really want xiaojun release covers every week, i need his angelic voice. [someone asked about his visual, yes his visual is good and my top 3 in the whole nct but he is short and has a big head (idk why this is a beauty standard) which doesn't fit in korea and chinese beauty standards]

2- second one is winwin and probably most complicated member and i'm scared yunqis will attack me, please he and xiaojun are my biases don't attack me. winwin didn't set his foot in korea for months but being on the reputation list proves he is the most marketable member for korea, if i'm not wrong he fits kbs %90 or something, but he never makes friends there, never saw him with any korean idol outside nct members, he makes himself stuck in nct circle in korea, korean people loves handsome boyfriendable cute k-idols and winwin is perfect example for this but unfortunately ww never gaf about korean market all obsessed is chinese market. i went to nct nation at japan he got the most cheers, he was the only member trended on japan twitter, he went viral 3 times he went to japan which is even no wayv and any wayv member trended here because winwin become so popular after he made into japanese national news about his and satomi ishihara similarity, not even have to mention nct life osaka.he is the most popular member in indonesia but only went here 1 time. second most popular member in thailand. ph has his biggest fanbase he never went there. this dude has a terrible career plan, all he wants become popular in mainland china, he need to open his eyes. his manager probably hates him because it's not hard to make an overseas schedule for him.

3- hendery. he is the least interesting wayv member if we have to be honest. he doesn't know how to be a private. after that man left the company he had the most potential to shine but xiaojun handled the post-lucas era better than him. i don't like his and winwin's rap parts in wayv songs, even yangyang's these raps ruining wayv's songs for being pop perfection for me. i dont see a singer or rapper future for him, wukong was a terrible experience. but you know what he has big potential among all wayv members to become popular, he is so an entertainer. he should be sent with winwin into those variety shows instead of that man, he would be x2 big in the mainland rn. i mean with 0 promotions he is the 3rd most popular member in china, having bigger fanbases than xiaojun, kun, and yangyang who have more gigs in their bags. he is so popular in indonesia, i remember he went viral there every day after a hendery fic adapted to an indo-drama. he should consider acting in movies, wong kar wai needs to open his eyes.

4- yangyang.. a big wasted potential. he would be more popular than any chinese idol in korea if he debuted in a korean group.. he is so baby. he is so marketable there, hip-hop alt culture is so popular nowadays he could probably be friends with everyone. but the company made him mark 2.0, with no originality not saying he is the less talented because yangyang is the most talented member in wayv (yes more talented than ten) but the marketing strategy killed his all hype there. this man outrapping the top 2 nct rapper (ijbol) with his 3rd language with ease, but if marketing is wrong you will start 1-0 behind. the other marketing fault is making him ten's sidekick in variety shows, this is why his fanbase never grows. all yangyang stans also love ten they have very common fandoms he needs to promote with different people, 10velys will never let yangyang shine in a show there ten is also there. yall he needs to hang out with some korean dudes outside the nct members and do some collabs, trust me is would benefit him more than those tenyang contents. everyone thinks yangyang is benefiting ten in tenyang collabs but all yangyang get is overshadowed by ten because ten has a huge fanbase. being a duo with ten was the worst thing in his career now all he gets from these, annoying shippers and a hateful fanbase who hates him because they think he is using ten's opportunities. send him in a show as mentor than watched him. my talanted boy!

5- maybe he is not the most popular in any country but he has the biggest potential for his future after wayv because he is friends with every composer, and producer, improving himself, and growing his friend circle. he is the best with these. the friends that winwin, xiaojun, or yangyang made into the industry will never benefit them in the future but having producer friends means you have secured your position. instead of being hyped for 4-5 years and then being forgotten after new idols debuted, i will always prefer people like kun who have stable careers because he will still have the same fanbase even after 10 years. this is why i think he has the best strategy in wayv and dont want quick viral moments like didi line of wayv (hendery, xiaojun, yangyang), all people know him as the member who can do 20 things.

6- ten lee.. ace of the aces. being compared to with the ten lee would be biggest achivement for those nct members yall trying to believe us they are more taleted than him lol. wayv was the biggest miastake for his career. this dude want int fame, being 2000s popstar. relasing a fully english song without thai or chinese version just proving my point. he really dgaf about these markets. he should be debuted as a soloist at the first day now we probably would compare him with the taemin but now people only calling him taemin 2.0 and it's so sad. i think he and winwin really loves wayv because both of them have better chances outside the group but they are still with them. his album is doing so good and break some records and surpassed big soloist like taeyeon, seulgi etc. in spotify numbers. the company need to already start to organize his 2nd album even before wayv album sorry not sorry.

#kun #ten lee #winwin #xiaojun #hendery #yangyang #wayv #nct

[littlekingbergara]

2023 has been an INSANE year to be a watcherina omfg. Not only did we get fun seasons of the classics (ays, t5b, tms, ph), but we also got www and tms one offs AND mystery files + debrief AND survival mode AND food files AND now new podcasts??? and of course ghost files + the tour. and the revamped ww+ and waudw for patrons. and on the parasocial side, shane getting married!!! and other goofy side things like them doing the weather and ryan being in antman.

like there's just been soooo much awesome content idk how these guys have any time to do all this shit lmaooo

TRULY AN INSANE AND INCREDIBLE YEAR TO BE A WATCHERINA! i literally forgot that all of that was This year. and it's not even over yet. they've been so so busy making new fun things for us it's soooo exciting.

they've grown soo much since this time last year and so has the fandom and i'm so happy to be part of it. and ofc they couldn't do any of it without the amazing team they've built at watcher 🫶 love them.

#answering this before seeing gf live tonight!! 🫶 #ahtw #anon #💌

[smilesrobotlover]

for lbl how long has it been since each of the boiz completed their adventures

Ok I think I actually have an answer for you. I’ve changed around the ages a bit but bear with me

Sky: 2 years. He was 17 during skord, but he was on the older side, almost 18. Now he’s 19, close to being 20.

Minish: he was 8 during Minish Cap and 14 during Four Swords, he’s 17 during lbl so it’s been 9 years since Minish cap and 3 years since four swords (honestly his age with four swords might change that is not set in stone)

Time: it’s hard to know with all the time mumbo jumbo. He was 10 during oot and physically 10 during mm. Physically he’s 26 in lbl so I guess physically it’s been 16 years? Mentally? Idk even know how long it’s been dhejebej

Legend: uuuh I imagine he’s on the older side? I don’t actually think I’ve thought about his age lol. He’s probably around 18. I hear he was around 8 or 10 during alttp, but I just don’t personally see that so I might make him 14, and then the oracle games might be around 15-16? And then LA he was 17. So it’s been around 4 years from alttp, 2ish years from the oracle games, and 1 year from LA.

Hyrule: he was 10 in Zelda 1 and 16 in Zelda 2, and in lbl he is 16, after a few months from Zelda 2. So it’s been 6 years from Zelda 1 and around 9 months since Zelda 2

Twilight: it’s been over a year. He was 17 in tp, and just turned 19. Not quite 2 years tho

Four: 2 years. He was 12 in four swords adventure and is now 14 in lbl

Windy: well… idk if he’s 14 or 17 in lbl but we’ll see which one I want more. He was 12 during WW and 13 during phantom hourglass (just turned 13). It’s it’s either been a year since ph or 4.

Spirit: one year. He was 12 during st and is now 13 in lbl.

Warriors: he was 17 at the start of hw, and is now 22. So it’s been 5 years since the start of hw. But that war lasted a while for him.

Age: maybe 4ish years. I kinda want him in lbl to be after kotg but we’ll see. He’ll be around 21.

Wild: probably 2ish years. He might be 119 or 120, I don’t really know just yet. Maybe 119 tho. He was 117-118 during botw so it might’ve been a year. Idk lol

#asks #link between links #gosh I hope I didn’t get any math wrong #ya girl cant do basic math in her head very easily anymore #aah #I might make windy young cuz I want the stuff to be relatively new for him #also some more dadbeck stuff

[science-lings]

I’m so close to being done with page one of my totk color palette project and I wanna get back into full on drawing lol

HSFR characters left to redesign:

Scholar (BOTW/totk zelda), Linkle (HW), Tetra (WW/PH), Adult Timeline Shade (Oot Zelda/Sheik but more piratey), Ilia (but with the concept art forehead fairy thing)

Blended Universe designs I wanna do at some point:

Hywild, Lewild, blupee flavored Lewild

#I’ll try to write until the results come in lol #I need to be more creatively productive #linked universe #andromedas poll hell

[crowroboros]

kinda tired of always seeing the "waaah Zelda lore and the timeline is so confusing/messy!!"

not really!! you're just inattentive !!

A lot of the connections are either directly stated in the games (Like LoZ 1 and 2. OoT, MM, TP, and WW. WW, PH, and ST, etc) or through meta connections (like how to avoid religious references, Triforce of the Gods was renamed to A Link to the Past because it was written to take place before the events of Zelda 1 and 2 and then A Link Between Worlds getting the name Triforce of the Gods 2 in Japan cause it is a distant sequel to ALttP). Like come on y'all, just pay attention. A full timeline could be formed without looking at the official one ONLY using information in the games and chances are you'd be mostly right.

"Oooah!! but Ganon??!! how does he keep coming back??" Literally always gets explained in games. OoT was his first appearance, Adult timeline: he is sealed away in OoT. breakes free of said seal using the Triforce of Power between OoT and WW (literally stated in the prologue of WW). He is then killed in WW. Child Timeline: OoT is prevented by Link being sent back in time (which we see at the fucking end of OoT) sealed in the Twilight Realm, killed in Twilight Princess. Downfall Timeline, sealed in the Sacred Realm during the sealing war, breaks free of seal in ALttP, killed in ALttP, resurrected in the Oracle games, terrorizes Hyrule in ALBW and LoZ1 and is killed in LoZ 1 like FUCK it is literally shown in the events of the damn games. pay attention!!

Half the shit I see that you all are confused about is due to your own misunderstandings, either cause you didn't understand what was being said or because you just missed it and came up with some interpretation so off base that of course it would confuse you when trying to fit it into the series at large. And half of these misunderstandings wouldn't even be a thing if yall were open to being wrong and changing your interpretation. but alas that's not what we see, instead you blame the games.

No, most of the Ganon appearances aren't different Ganons. they're all OoT Ganon(dorf) EXCEPT FSA Ganondorf cause OoT Ganondorf is killed in and isn't resurrected but rather reincarnated (as FSA Ganondorf). FSA and its manual even states how Shadow Link is created from the Dark Mirror giving form to FSA Ganon's hatred of a Link who killed him in a past life. Of course it has to be after one of the times OoT Ganondorf is killed for good like how are you all stumbling over this??

No, Zelda doesn't get reincarnated unlike Link. All Zelda's are descendants from each other, but they're not the same person or soul.

NO not all Zelda's are incarnations of Hylia, ONLY SKYWARD SWORD ZELDA IS! They share a blood connection to her through SS Zelda, but they themselves are not Hylia.

No, Twilight Princess isn't a Wind Waker retcon idk how anyone is even coming to that conclusion?? Zelda in OoT makes it VERY clear that Link being sent back seven years and closing the door of time will separate the past and future of OoT, meaning that whatever he does in the past (the child era) won't affect the future already created (the adult era). like this is dialogue said in OoT, read what is being said I'm BEGGING you.

While we're talking about the timeline split...

The Downfall Timeline makes complete sense. Do I think it was what they intended when writing OoT? No. Definitely not. I don't even think they conceptualized it until 2002 or so. But its clear that once they wrote Wind Waker that they realized that the story of the Sealing War matches OoT better (which if you remember, OoT is meant to tell the story leading up to the Sealing War.) in a timeline where Link fails to stop Ganondorf. Otherwise Wind Waker and Twilight Princess wouldn't have been written to explicitly follow the adult and child endings of OoT. As the prologue of ALttP states, Ganondorf entered the Sacred Realm, raged war against Hyrule, becomes the Demon King Ganon using the complete Triforce and was sealed away in the Sacred Realm by the Seven Sages. That doesn't line up with either of the endings we explicitly see in OoT but it sure as hell lines up with what Ganondorf said he'd do if you lose the fight at the top of Ganon's Tower. Yall act like the downfall timeline is some massive horrible failure of writing when its really just the most logical conclusion of what is presented in the games. Never in OoT does Ganondorf obtain the full Triforce. his whole goal in the second half is to kill Link and take the Triforce from him and Zelda. The Seven Sages are there to seal him away, the Sacred Realm is open and has been corrupted by Ganondorf's influence. Hyrule was been ravaged by war. Ganondorf hasn't transformed into the Demon King Ganon yet. Almost everything lines up for the Sealing War, Link just needs to die for it to 100% work because Ganondorf doesn't have the complete Triforce. And he won't get the full Triforce if you win against him. How are you gonna argue that it makes more sense and matches ALttP better if Link wins?

And I've seen way too many people calling TotK a BotW retcon cause of Ganondorf's existence?? Even saw one guy on twitter somehow under the impression that TotK was a prequel? as of the entire game hasn't been advertised as taking place 5+ years after BotW? As if the Castle and Castle Town isn't in ruin? All because Ganondorf is there in human form? Guys, Calamity Ganon is nothing more than Ganondorf's power and hatred leaking from his body as he and Rauru rot underground. Calamity Ganon is essentially the physical embodiment of TotK Ganondorf's goals enacting his will while he remains imprisoned. This is made so clear in his in-game character profile, which also makes it clear that he only broke free of Rauru's seal on him due to the extreme earthquakes and damage that the Calamity caused. It was also fucking obvious ever since the 2019 trailer. This was spoonfed to us and some of yall still missed it? Seriously?

The ONLY extreme oddity in the overarching lore is how BotW and TotK fit in beyond "it's at the end", but even that has a few solid possibilities and isn't anywhere near as egregious as people want to make it out to be. You all want to talk about how you love theorizing and shit but are completely incapable of having a theory deeper than "botw/totk Link and Zelda are romantically involved!!!!"

(^not a dig at zelink at all, I'm just saying that a lot of you so called theorists only try your hand at "theories" that are so strongly implied that they're practically canon rather than trying to solve actual mysteries and questions. you don't want to do any research into the lore and try to piece shit together. something will be even the smallest bit ambiguous and you all tap out)

There's more but fuck I'm not looking to scour the internet to disprove every damn misconception and mistake.

Do I think they planned everything since the beginning? of fucking course not. this is a series with 20 canon games at this point and more on the way. there is absolutely no chance all of this was conceptualized 37 years ago. All im saying is that the overarching lore and connections that have been weaved over the course of nearly four decades isn't the clusterfuck that a lot of you try to paint it as.

#usually i prefer lore discussions to be much more civil than this. with any emotions to a minimum. but whatever i'll give myself a pass once #rant #media literacy is dead lmaoo #this is far from coherent but I'm tired and annoyed so whatever #long rant #“tHe LoRE iS hElD tOGeTHeR bY dUcK tAPE” you're a fool #“tHE gAmEs weRE nEvER cONNeCTeD beFOrE SKYwARd SwORD” objectively false #zelda rant #the legend of zelda #loz #legend of zelda #tloz #Zelda lore

[mccarthymolly]

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[waywardsalt]

Hi! I hope you’re doing good in life.

What do you think of a phantom hourglass remake? Tbh I don’t know how they could remake it without basically remaking it from the ground-up. It would probably play more like windwaker, which I see as a both a good and bad thing. On the one hand, if it was more like windwaker a lot more people would probably play and it would be more popular since I know the touch controls were a turn off for most people for both Spirit Tracks and Phantom hourglass. But on the other hand, remaking it to be more like windwaker would make the game lose some of it’s previous identity. Like, Phantom hourglass was so unique because of the touch controls and the puzzles you can make and solve by having two screens and touch controls. And it was so nifty and handy to be able to write notes on your map. Idk, I still would like it to be remade in general even if it ends up a basically different game, but I wouldn’t change the story or the characters, especially Linebeck. The only other change I would make is the music. Phantom hourglass had rather weak themes, mainly because they re-used the same theme for the islands and the dungeons. The only songs that were really good were the few orginal tracks made for the game, so Linebeck’s theme, Oshus’s theme, both Bellum boss battle themes and the and that music that plays when you first follow the Ghost Ship. But what would you want out of a phantom hourglass remake?

Hey, I’m doing good, and I hope you are too!

I’ve thought a bit about a possible Phantom Hourglass remake, but not too much recently. I don’t really know if I’d want one, since you’d lose a lot of what really makes it special, and you can still play it through other means. I’m personally fond of the graphics and the music- yes, even the dungeon theme has grown on me- so I don’t really want a remake too badly, especially since I fear any additions/changes they might make with story or characters in a remake. The touch controls make it, and playing it on pc recreates that feeling decently well, but I don't think it'll be just the same if you had to control it with joysticks or anything.

Not to mention, there's so much emphasis on having the two screens, too, not just for map stuff, but almost every single boss had a mechanic related to the top screen! I have no fucking clue how you'd replicate that very well on something like the switch without just fucking with the mechanics altogether.

I would kill to hear some of Phantom Hourglasses tracks be orchestrated or otherwise rearranged in a higher quality. I wouldn't want any of the more notable themes altered in any way, no adding or removing of melodies and only very very small changes to the instrumentation, but I think it'd be neat to see what could be done with dungeon themes. I think a while back I had a fleeting desire to write some short tracks for each dungeon, with some ideas like mostly using instruments heard in Bellum's themes for the dungeons while each individual one gets a leading instrument unique to and reflective of the dungeon, while the Ghost Ship maybe gets a song that's a bit of a expanded version of the fog theme, while the Temple of the Ocean King could have slightly different themes the further in you got, starting with instruments more common to Oshus's theme or the great sea theme, while the further in you got the more instruments from Bellum's theme would be heard, plus some harpsichord thrown in for the hell of it.

Leave the original dungeon theme for stuff like the minor pyramids and some larger cave areas, idk. It's grown on me.

I think the only story rearranging I'd want is mayyyyybe unfridging Tetra? You could very easily shuffle some things around with her and just not damsel her for the whole game and honestly it'd still go off perfectly without a hitch. But you'd still have to deal with the World of the Ocean King being a whole other world, so either bring her and her crew in and have them as wandering ship npcs (the better idea) or just leave them out (not a good idea) but either way it's better than what they actually did. I just don't think I'd want it to switch to Tetra being a major reoccurring character tbh, the main character dynamics in PH are good as they are.

I think I like Phantom Hourglass too much as it is to really want a remake at all. I'd rather we get something like an anime adaptation. That's what I think about more. Give me animated Phantom Hourglass with some fun takes on the dungeons and fights and some fun slice of life stuff with the group between the islands what I want is a Phantom Hourglass anime

#asks #zeldanamikaze #salty talks #loz #legend of zelda #phantom hourglass #kinda just boils down to like. i kinda want it to remain untouched with nothing added or removed if that makes sense #different themes for the dungeons would be rlly cool. harpsichord for deeper ocean king temple floors bc its where you meet linebeck #also vague foreshadowing? as an aside how many other loz songs have harpsichord in it im very curious to know #also. i say i dont mind the dungeon theme while also not really minding my tinnitus so also take that in mind maybe. brain go brrrrrr #i think adding tetra in to the main crew of ph would kinda be a bit much and also maybe not add very much. fyi i have not played ww #but i feel like it'd almost be adding another ciela cuz shed support link and be more barbed and bold with a side of less morally upstandin #so i dont really think she'd being much new to the ph crew table and i wouldnt want her there in a remake cuz they might pull the #goddess blood card and i really really like how ph has fuck all to do with hyrule or any of that nonsense #sorry this took so long btw. i dont think much abt a ph remake so i dont have a lot of notes #additions? idk add more rooms to linebecks ship. let us poke around in a few areas. maybe potion storage. give link a room #let us poke around in linebeck's room when possible. put smth fun in there. pull a wilds era and give him a journal for us to check out #what they did with tetra kills me (but not too much since i dont rlly have thoughts on tetra) bc you could just remove her entirely #and the story would still work really well anyways. holy character fridging batman #idfk. give us a silly loz dating game. make linebeck an option. thats what i wanna see

[arealmanofthesea]

top 3 zelda dungeon items

3. grappling hook/whip

2. hammer

1. shovel

#loz ph #loz st #loz ww #loz oot #idk what else has these LMAI #lmao* holy shit

[hyyrulicn]

// list of things I gotta do bc whOOO I am notoriously horrible at keeping my workload light jfhfkdshfkdsjhf

Finish making all of Pico’s icons

Make more icons for Warriors

make icons of Prism’s new fc

make ww Link icons/ finish reviewing all of his stuff

finish researching Cadence of Hyrule/ make icons from the alttp/ooa manga

figure tf out if I wanna go though with another new muse impulse on top of all this-

Edit bc I forgot some:

make icons for Proxi

resize/clean up Wild’s icons

get more icons for Shadow’s other forms (specifically Twi, maybe Time, and alttp)

#[ooc] the digital witch #// this is kinda just to put things in perspective for myself #// these aren't gonna be done in any particular order tbh #// knowing me i'll do like pieces of 2-3 of these at the same time #// in summary: need more icons of existing muses #// and WW/PH link + Cadence of Hyrule Link are going to be added eventually #// plus a *possible* albw/tfh Link- idk depends if the inspiration for him sticks around

[deiliamedlini]

I did this Tier Ranking the other day of Zelda’s with the most to least amount of agency in their games, and I’m going to be honest... I’m still thinking about it. I was getting so annoyed when I played SS the other day because of something that happens that made me mad. So now, I’m going to rant about every single Zelda because she deserves better. 

This is my short essay on which Zelda’s have agency in their games and why. Omg if only I could have done that topic in grad school. 

So this was my list. 

Before you keep going, this is just spoiler central. So, if you haven’t played, say SS yet, heads up.

I’m going to start by saying I’ve never played the Four Swords games nor watched a playthrough. IDK why there are 4 of her, but maybe it’s just ironic to have 4 of them? But that’s my ‘don’t know’ pile. Maybe she’s epic, but I remember her being captured by Vaati in an intro to the GBA game, so I doubt it. 

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Most Agency: Wind Waker Tetra, Sheik, and Spirit Tracks Zelda

I almost feel like this part of the list goes without saying. Tetra (WW) is a queen. She’s a captain, has a crew, goes where she wants, helps Link, hurts Link, literally, queen. 

Sheik should also go without saying. We don’t see a lot of Sheik actually doing things, but we know she’s doing them. She’s been all over Hyrule for 7 years training, and keeping the world spinning. During the game alone, we know she’s out there rescuing Ruto, trying to fight the spirits in the well, etc. So we don’t see it, but we know it. 

And Spirit Tracks Zelda! SHE’S YOUR LITERAL COMPANION!!! SHE’S WITH YOU THE WHOLE GAME, FINDS A WAY TO FIGHT, HELPS, IS FUNNY, IS ACTIVE IN THE KINGDOM, AND IS AN ALL AROUND UNDERATED ZELDA. She lost a little agency because she has no body, but she didn’t let it stop her. 

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Good Agency: OOT Zelda, BOTW Zelda, TP Zelda

This is the “I’m in danger of being smited for including these three here” pile. OOT Zelda isn’t in it for long as adult Zelda, and she does get trapped in a crystal almost immediately, but you know she was training for years and managed to stay out of sight of Ganon. And at the end, she holds up an entire castle for you to escape. I want her on my team, but I’d prefer Sheik. Plus, this Zelda is one in SSB sooo does that count? I don’t think so but whatever. I wanted to put her lower, but I was thinking of her off screen and she managed to make it up into the ‘good’ agency pile. 

BOTW Zelda. She’s got a lot more agency in AOC than BOTW because she just runs around and basically commands the whole kingdom's army after a while, but in BOTW, she’s held back by everyone! She had the potential! She wasn’t a damsel, she was a smart cookie, she had character, but everyone was like nah girl. Go wander Hyrule doing stuff. And she did! Not because she had agency, but because everyone told her to. She wanted to work with the tech! Let her work with the tech!

And TP Zelda, my girl, I love the thought of this Zelda SO MUCH!! SHE HAS A SWORD!! SHE COULD HAVE USED IT IN THE GAME!! THE CUTSCENE WAS RIGHT THERE!!!!! But you know she defended Hyrule off screen anyway, literally fought with her soldiers to protect her people. Gave her literal life of her own accord, took full blame for things, like, no one told this girl no. She was full blown agency... except that she was locked in a tower for the whole game, then went poof, then got turned into a puppet, then only managed to show off her battle badassery in ONE SCENE aka one of the best multi-stage final boss battles. Just could have pushed her further. 

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Okay Agency: Child OOT Zelda, SS Zelda, ALBW Zelda

Child Zelda. She’s a child. She gave Link an instrument and was forcibly (but thankfully) spirited away on horseback. She doesn’t really DO much at this point. But she WILL! So she’s cool, but she’s just a wee sprout still! 

SS Zelda: Don’t hit me! I love her, her general plot, and her relationship with Link. But she isn’t even allowed to hug him. She is dragged everywhere, captured MULTIPLE times, stuck in a big old amber crystal thing FOR I DON’T REMEMBER HOW LONG, nearly sacrificed, and is bombarded with memories of a life that wasn’t technically hers and she has to sort through being Hylia and not just Zelda. Poor bean. She’s not at the bottom because you can tell that before the game, she was top tier agency queen.  

ALBW Zelda is just... meh. She’s not as bad as ALTTP Zelda, but she doesn’t really do much and then gets stuck in a painting for most of the game. Points if we’re counting Smash Bros again though!

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NO AGENCY: ALTTP Zelda, Oracle Zelda, OG Zelda, Minish Cap Zelda, WW Zelda, PH Tetra, Zelda II Zelda. 

ALTTP Zelda is just a sad, sad tale of ‘can you be more damsel in distress if you tried’? She: starts the game in a cell, hides in a sanctuary, is kidnapped again, is sacrificed, is stuck in a crystal, and finally, is chilling in the end credits. Girl. I’m so sorry for you. 

Oracle Zelda is apparently the same Zelda as ALTTP and it shows. She hangs out in a house and tells you the weather and then (you guessed it) is kidnapped and nearly sacrificed. This poor bean has gone through too much. 

OG Zelda literally pops up at the end of the game and is like HEY you’ve been trying to save me this whole time, in case you didn’t know. And Link’s like omg I have?? Because I don’t even remember her being mentioned outside the info pamphlet and the ending. 

Out of order, but Zelda II, she’s the most relatable, because she sleeps the whole game. She’s under a curse, wakes up, sees Link and is like damn you’re cute, and kisses him. If we use the info booklet, it gets worse and her brother used a spell to blah blah. She sleeps. That’s all she does. 

Minish Cap Zelda is so precious at the beginning of the game and you can tell her and Link are besties and I wanted more of that! AND THEN SHE’S TURNED TO STONE THE WHOLE GAME. But no, wait, she’s...... almost sacrificed in the process. Deja vu. 

Wind Waker Zelda was cool in the final scene, but she spent her entire portion of the game trapped in a basement against her will for her protection. No agency. That’s really all the poor thing gets to do as Zelda. 

THEN THE DIRTIEST OF ALL DONE DIRTY CHARACTER MOVES IS PHANTOM HOURGLASS TETRA! ONE OF THE BEST ZELDA’S REDUCED TO NOTHING! SHE IS CAPTURED IMMEDIATELY AND SPENDS THE ENTIRE GAME AS A DAMSEL IN DISTRESS WHO HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED AND TURNED TO STONE. I’m still salty and will hate Phantom Hourglass forever for many reasons, and Tetra being done dirty is one of them. 

I feel better now. If anyone actually read all this and has other thoughts on this, I’m fired up and ready to talk because who needs to sleep at 1:30am? Not me!!

#legend of zelda #zelda #princess zelda #ranking things #rant #Zelda's agency #why do some of these games just HATE her #I was not recovered after ranking these Zelda's the other day #agency #zelda series #gaming

[bbobb25]

Age Headcanons!

Wind: 

WW: 12  PH: Recently turned 13  LU: 13, almost 14

Legend:

ALTTP: 14 OOA/OOS: 16 LA: 17 (Turned 17 shortly after the Oracle games, set sail soon after) ALBW: 18 TFH: 18 LU: 19

Time:

OOT(Child): 9 OOT(Adult): 16 MM: 12 LU: 36 LU(mentally): IDK lol

Four:

MC: 12 FS/FSA: 14 LU: 16 (Four times four haha)

Hyrule: 

LOZ: 12 AOL: 16 LU: 17

Twilight:

TP: 18 LU: 21

Sky:

SS: 17 LU: 20

Wild:

BOTW: 117

LU: 118

Warriors:

HW: 18  LU: 25

#linkeduniverse #linked universe #this is a bit of a long one #not sure if I should just use the lu hcs format #but oh well #my stuff #thats just like #my opinion bro #just found out twi was 18 according to jojo

[science-lings]

So because I like to be really complicated, I've decided to throw my favourite part of pretty much every Link's design (ofc the ones that actually change the design - looking at you Toon Links) at you. Idk, I'm an overachiever and I love gushing about one of the best character designs in video game history.

Obviously with the 8-bit designs, all there really is are artworks and the manuals to go off of because Link is a collection of tiny squares with 4 max colours. TLoZ and AoL are the same character so to be honest, I just love his earthy tones and facial features. Big nose rep. Goes for ALTTP, LA, and OOT as well tbh.

Speaking of ALTTP, that pink hair he has in-game is literally one of the best thing Nintendo has ever done.

A lot of child Links have this, but the baggy boots introduced in OOT are literally everything. I want to wear them every day of the rest of my life. The Oracle games also give him the flared lining and I would die to have them. Peak footwear. And the bracers Adult Link gets add so much to such a simple design, it's literally unreal.

The Four Swords games were cute with the bright colour swaps. I'm so mad they drew the artwork for the game in the Toon Link artstyle. Seeing artwork for it in ALTTP's art would have been so cool like what came on the European box art. The Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass came and introduced the most adorable Zelda artstyle. Like he's just a cylinder and I love him so much. It's a bit like FS(A) where he just got so much more colourful too. Spirit Tracks gave Link this cute engineer uniform that I cannot get over. Ever.

Twilight Princess. I'm sorry but he's just a whole hunk of man right there. The darker graphics went so far for him, his outfit was so detailed at the time and he's got such a masculine presence if you know what I mean. Oddly enough, there's so much I like about the design, it's so hard to put what I like into words other than 'a lot'. Sorry, I know it's not very helpful ^^;

Skyward Sword Link had such an amazing emotional range. He said absolutely nothing, but you could tell exactly how he felt, but unlike WW/PH/ST etc Link, his facial expression were really toned down and gentle. The most intense emotion he's ever had was fighting a god. Love that about him.

So I know ALBW technically shares ALTTP/OOA(/S) design, so I want to highlight the one thing that's different which is the giant, chunky bracelet he wears. Something about that makes me so happy for some reason.

Triforce Heroes' biggest accomplishment was the alternate outfits. Those boys literally strutting around in a forest in full gowns and costumes like it's nothing is literally peak fashion. Style over practicality any day.

BotW was literally a game-changer for Link's design in almost every way. I have no idea how Nintendo managed to completely change the design down to the fundamental GREEN of the Links before him to this cerulean blue and still keep the essence of what made Link a Link. And although Nintendo loves to go back on it in other material, I absolutely ADORE that they made his features so round and softly shaped, especially his eyes, compared to other Links. Nintendo will never take away how absolutely gorgeous that man is now they've achieved it. So we don't know much about TotK yet for obvious reasons, but he now sports literally the most revealing outfit in the franchise (other than him literally being half naked in BotW) and the fact it's paired with long hair is literally what I've been waiting my entire life for.

So yeah, I've probably made this so much more complicated, but there is literally so much I love about each Link, it's hard to choose my favourite overall features (except the boots, I love the baggy boots).

This is actually incredibly helpful thank you! I think one of the things I'm struggling most with the design is his hair, like he goes from a medium dark brown to pink to platinum blonde to bright yellow to almost orange and like... it's hard to make a decision lol. I do want to include bits of every game, whether that be with little accessories (like kinstones or belt buckles or jewelry) or more major features.

I am absolutely convinced on his schnoz though, he deserves a big pointy nose. It's going to be fun to try to balance some of his more harsh features with a lot of the softness we see in many other games, like he always has intense eyebrows (even in toon mode), but he also tends to have a baby face.

#im happy that this gives me more opportunity to look through the concept art books again #although i love the oot boots i think a major consensus is that I redesign the pegesus boots so I'll probably do that #maybe i can mix the designs somehow? #this guy is gonna be dripped out #ask andromeda #ultimate link redesign #loz

[magical-girl-04]

I found this is my notes so I decided to share it here

The heros spirit is an arsonist, some are more controlled but they a have that urge to set shit on fire; examples

Time: I cant think of any instances of time setting fire to shit (it's been a while since I played oot and I'm somewhere in the swamp temple in mm) but hes a little shit inside so he probably would love fire, alough he did grow up in a forest, he may be an exception

Twilight: that one house in that village while he was hunting the bug things

Wild: do I even need to give an example? We all know he's an arsonist

Hyrule: we all saw that comic, he went magic sword fire, it was pretty

Legend: dont have any concrete evidence (I've only played one of his games 😭) but hes got a few fire rods, you know sometimes he'll look at them and imagine just burning everything down

Warriors: that one comic where leg lended him his fire rod and he refused to give it back, he also let hyrule start fires with his sword

Wind: I dont have any concrete evidence cuz I'm not very far in his games (I'm at that tower place in ww and I got annoyed/scared of the phantoms in ph) but he is a gremlin child and you can bet he'd love to set a fire

Four: Red

Sky: honestly not entirely sure with sky (I think I got freaked out by the guardians idk tho, it was a while ago) but although he puts out a calm and relaxed exterior we should all know that's just becuse hes too tired to be a gremlin, I'm sure hed love fire

#linked universe #the legend of zelda #Time (linked Universe) #lu Time #twilight (linked universe) #lu twilight #wild (linked Universe) #lu wild #hyrule (linked universe) #lu hyrule #legend (linked universe) #lu legend #warriors (linked universe) #lu warriors #wind (linked universe) #lu wind #four (linked universe) #lu four #sky (linked Universe) #lu sky #theory #???