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alloftheblackwidowfeelings · 3 years

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I’m sorry I haven’t read any of your other responses, I’m too afraid of encountering spoilers so major apologies if you’ve already answered this question. I’m simply wondering, how much of the movie is typical marvel action (little emotional substance and superficial fight scenes) and how much of it is deep and emotional scenes that develop Nats character further?

Hey, anon, first: Thank you for this ask, because it lets me clarify:

This is exactly what I want.

I mean I'm hoping once people see the movie they want to discuss things I've been thinking about, and I imagine at that point I'll shift more analytical (I have all these things I've been tossing around in my head), but right now the paramount goal for me is to not spoil people who want to be surprised, so I'm really glad that I can answer questions without you having to sacrifice that!

Anyway. An answer to your actual question, which is long but hopefully not spoilery at all because I'm talking more about what I was looking for and how much I believe I can trust my own responses:

I feel like I can't answer this fairly because I am extremely aware that I tend to zone out during fight scenes, and retain very little of the fighty parts. I'm not good at tracking fight choreography in any case, and the dynamics of fights don't particularly interest me. So please accept the caveat that someone else can probably answer this better than I can, because I was not really watching the fight scenes as anything but "How is this enhancing the characters I already care about?"

And part of my answer to that is that I'm so neck-deep in my personal interests that it's hard to analyze if I'm being reasonable. Because Taskmaster's skill is mirroring, and Natasha's role in every MCU film to date has been to be a reflection of someone else, and so I spent most Taskmaster scenes focused on what it means to Natasha, and how it challenges her, to be the subject rather than the reflection. I can't actually say this is the text of the movie- after seeing the movie I still can't say definitively that Taskmaster was chosen as the villain because of how much mirroring is part of Natasha's MO so it's a thematic slam-dunk- but it made the fight scenes more interesting to me, because that was there to dig into.

The third act is a big explosion-y set piece and I understand exactly why it was there and yet it didn't feel necessary to me at all, because the most important parts of the movie for me were the conversations. I felt like most of the fight scenes had enough rooted in the conversations that I was engaged, but if were being honest, I don't know how much I was engaged because it's Nat and I love Nat, versus the fights doing something.

That said, I enjoyed all the Widow fight scenes because those, I think, are inherently answering the questions we've had for Nat since forever. I kept thinking of Winter Soldier, not because the fight scenes are that caliber (there really isn't an equivalent of the elevator scene here), but because there's that same externalized conflict, where one person wants to save their opponent and the other person does not. For me, too, the scenes were less about the fights themselves and more about how competent the Widows are, whether they're fighting against each other or on the same side. The MCU tends to view human fighters as boring, and it's not that Nat is more skilled in this movie, but that her skills are given the respect they deserve, particularly because there isn't an Iron Man or a Hulk here; Alexei is a super soldier, but he isn't foregrounded as the peak of human perfection in contrast to regular humans.

I think for me what makes the fight scenes work is that from the beginning, we're shown how much the Widows didn't choose this. So to me every fight scene doubles as a wound; this is what they were made into, and having that hang over the scenes changes how I interpret them.

Is that intentional, though? I'm honestly not sure of the answer- I mean, it feels intentional to me, but so many of the reviews didn't see it like that that I feel like I need to own it just might be me being used to searching for crumbs in any scenes of Nat I'm given. (I mentioned to a friend that reading Natasha through the text actually caring about her is a completely different skill set than reading Nat through scraps and subtext, and I am very worried I'm not transitioning as well as one might hope.)

Overall, this movie works for me as an attempt to bring cohesion to what we know about Natasha Romanoff and what we know about the Black Widow, which are two topics that sometimes intersect and sometimes don't. This is absolutely not a "the MCU has had a plan since Iron Man 2" thing; it's a "we're building this arc in a cave with a box of scraps of canon from her previous seven appearances." But I'm so used to seeking out the tiny details to try to figure out a coherent whole that seeing a movie on screen, that considered the details about Natasha to be important, was emotional and moving and resonant for me, in a way that it probably wouldn't have been if it was a character I wasn't this invested in.

I mean, my ultimate answer is that my satisfaction with the movie comes largely from how I feel like there are so many things we could take away from what the characters did in this movie (and some of those things contradict other things! I have a lot of messy and unorganized thoughts right now). But I can also argue about a bunch of ways that Iron Man 2 can be used to further Nat's character, and appreciate it for that, even though I know that I'm backwards-engineering to give Natasha agency though the text's exploitation.

So I guess my deeply-unhelpful answer to your question is that I thought it had a pretty deep emotionally foundation, even though some of the fight scenes went on too long for my tastes, but I don't know if that's because the text is actually that rooted or because I've spent a decade training myself to find what I want in any tiny shred of Nat content I'm given, and through that lens, there was really no way this movie couldn't be a rousing success.

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ambersky0319 · 4 years

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My Babies I love to hurt-

@whatschooldoesntteachyou you wanted info on my OCs so I shall provide! But in exchange of you have any OCs please tell me about them!! I'd really love to hear about them! Also @tacochippy this applies to you as well! And anyone else interested- I just really wanna hear about y'alls characters!

Kay! Onto my kiddos! This is also really unorganized and probably just the tip of the iceberg-

Evanna

She was the first OC I ever made and lemme just say,,,, she's come a long way. I'm really attached to her and I just love my royal gal. She's Aro/Ace and had a pretty shitty mom but she's making due. Her best friend is her guard and she had actually encouraged him to ask out his (not at the time) wife!

Also like, she fights on the front lines bc she knows her abilities are stronger than some of her own soldiers, and ends up reducing the death rate among her people(not by much, but it does slowly go down). Evanna has a problem with her own safety- great for angst with her relationships!!

Nezu

Nezu is a brand new character I made at the last moment, but I absolutely love them. They're pretty young, about 14-15 years old, and identify as agender(it's a miracle they even knew about the term since Dali don't really have vocab for this stuff, they just kinda accept different things). Nezu is a really strong healer despite their age and lack of training, and they really adore history

Oh also Nezu can't fly like most Dali, their wings being too small to support their weight. No one dares mention it though cause you do NOT disrespect a healer in Tongyi, especially if they're a quiet child healer that will ruin your entire reputation cause they just became the queen's favorite being in the entire kingdom

Erin

Evanna's guard and best friend, Erin has known Evanna for y e a r s. He's probably the most loyal Dali in Tongyi and thinks of Evanna as a sister. He loves his wife so much and she's probably the only person he'd prioritize over Evanna. Her name's Azzy and he will bring her up in any conversation that he can

He loves kids and it breaks his heart most of the soldiers are teenagers-young adults cause anyone older has already died. So he fights on the front lines with Evanna, even though he's really only average with his abilities. He does have outstanding strategy though, and sometimes the plans become so complicated that he and a select few can actually follow through

Marie

Onto the humans! Marie has a pretty chill childhood, it's not as dark as some of my other kids. She's a waitress at a restaurant called Silver Dream Café, a restaurant that doubles as a safe place for the employees. And that's no joke. You can be any age above 14 to work there, and they hire those that haven't had the very best life. Something happens to Marie that's really fucked up and so someone suggested she applies there, and Marie's found a new family there pretty much Her brother gets married and has a baby, and then Marie adopts a Nigerian teenage girl.

Marie's pretty stubborn, and very persuasive. If she really wanted to, she could have become a lawyer, but she really distrusts the judicial system and thinks it's unfair, especially after the thing that happens to her. She's compassionate and can oftentimes see through people's lies. The reason? Marie's outstandingly observational, and has an ability to imitate anyone she sees and hears. It's easy for her to pick up on surface-level habits.

Oh yeah and she's really Bi, her brother doesn't approve for awhile but he eventually comes around

Leona

A trained assassin, Leona's very deceiving, having multiple other identities(Abyss - Assassin name, Mariah Peters - news reporter). She does this to protect her actual identity, as well as maybe repress some past events. Her parents are very homophobic and kicked her out around 16 after someone outed Leona as a lesbian.

She turned to a life of crime to sustain herself and somehow got roped into a government organization(experiment) called Tempest. It wasn't long until she was being forced to kill, and she became very apathetic to do her job more efficiently. After all, Tempest payed her well. So she wasn't keen on betraying them anytime soon.

Not until she's given a target by the name Marie Sydney.

Jeremiah

Jeremiah is a ftm assassin, but instead of working on the field like most in Tempest, he was placed in the engineer sector, creating weapons and occasionally leaving the compound to help on missions. He's only known as "Pup" among the other Tempest Members because he's really young and small.

He's very intelligent and cunning, and suffers from constant guilt. He's... Working on it.

Oh and he has part of a soul of another one of my OCs in him(1/3 of the soul)

Taylor

Taylor, often called "Aunty Tay" by her cousin(Neva said it once and it just kinda stuck) and most small children, is the girl that Marie adopted. She's strong and really closed off, often not trusting anyone right away. She really loves her family that Marie brought her into, and will protect them at any cost. Much like Evanna, she's really selfless and is perfectly fine with sacrificing her safety in exchange for the safety of others.

She also has part of the soul within her(2/3) and seems to have the strongest spiritual connection to Cinomeds in general.

Dani

Introduced first as a spoiled and then orphaned prince, he's adopted by Evanna much later in the series once he's older and helps support the Tongyian kingdom. He's adaptable in many situations, but deals with emotion very poorly(especially very strong negative emotions). Despite making a lot of mistakes he eventually learns and tries to fix the mistakes.

He's the third part of the soul.

Oh and did I mention Dani, Taylor, and Jeremiah all start dating? Yeah, they're in a healthy poly relationship and care for one another deeply(after a rough introduction at least)

Aki

CINOMED KIDS! We're nearing the end. Aki is pretty much a mad scientist, with a disregard for the actual life of creatures. He sees a lot of things as test subjects, and loves to play with the biology of said creatures. He's Aro/Ace and the other Cinomeds are like his family. Although he's introduced as a villain he has a sorta redemption arc thing? Idk I know I just love him-

Is the first and only Cinomed to really be redeemed(ish)

Angel

Also a Cinoned, their personality varies greatly because their soul was split into parts(originally two- trio earlier are the first to have Angel's soul split into thirds) and the same goes for their appearance. Before the soul splitting though, Angel was rebellious and often didn't see eye-to-eye with the other Cinomeds

*cough*partofaplottwistihaveinmind*cough*

Serranidae

Goes by Serra by the other Cinomeds, she takes rejection horribly. Her and Angel were a thing at one point, before there was a huge fallout and then Angel was torn apart. Serra was crushed, and vowed to protect Aki at all costs cause she was not gonna lose another part of her family

She fails in the end but it's not really her fault?

Oh Serra is also extremely brutal in fights

Rikki

He's not really that fleshed out... He's the main baddie of my kiddos. Think Aaravos from TDP. Except as a shadow thing. He's the creator of Fahndali and literally every creature there, as well as the other Cinomeds. He split Angel's soul apart before being sucked to the core of the planet where he remained trapped for over a millennia. He's also an asshole, confident in his abilities and not afraid to manipulate those until he feels no need for them.

If people wanna know more just dm me or send an ask and I can probably guarantee more ramblings

#ambersky #ambersky ocs #ambersky oc #original character #original characters #ocs #oc #cinomed chronicles #rambling #i have way more ocs but these are the ones i talk about/use the most #this is just like #completely original ocs too #i didnt include ocs like res or any of my other fandom ocs #anYWHO

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