i think to really understand hera (and, by extension, her relationship with eiffel) you have to recognize that she values the same things he does. hera works harder than eiffel does because she has to, because more is riding on her doing her job, because the bare minimum she's allowed to get away with and not have everyone die horribly is... still kind of a lot of work, all of the time. and even then, she does the bare minimum when she can. she cuts corners she probably shouldn't. she hates drudge work. and she really hates being told what to do.
eiffel and hera are both prisoners on the hephaestus - and that they're the only two who really know they weren't given a choice is central to their bond as well - but, at the same time. eiffel both embodies and extends to hera a kind of freedom she wants very much. no one else has ever made room for her to goof off or wanted to talk to her about nothing, just wanted to hear her voice, just wanted to make her laugh. wanted to hang out with her and talk, just for a little while, even as he's falling asleep after days without rest.
that's what draws her to eiffel. "you hate rules as much as i do, don't you, doug?" because the first time she ever speaks to him, it's while he's clamoring around in the dark, clearly no idea what he's doing, not having paid attention to anything about the station or the mission or, of course, the rules. because she tells him about the contraband cigarettes floating out of his pocket and makes a point of keeping it a shared secret. she likes those things about him.
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i've been wondering- what do you think of vash and ww's relationship to pain? do u have any thoughts on it??
cuz i was just thinking like. obviously they're both extremely resilient and don't care much if they get hurt in the process of achieving whatever, but like... as for the pain specifically, i have to wonder.
cuz i'm reading trimax for the first time and toward the end of the sand steamer mess kite basically asks if vash even feels pain. and i mean... he has to, since not that long ago he just hit the floor with a dramatic blood splatter lmao. but like.
is he just suppressing visible reactions? or does he just not feel pain unless it's above a certain level?
and i wanna know about ww too if you have thoughts, i just haven't gotten that far in trimax :')
forgive me if my wording is all over the place, i havent been very elegant in my words Lately, but i am always down to talk about specific shit involving vash and wolfwood,
if we're just talking physical pain, yeah, i think they feel pain normally!
For Vash, he is the master of repression throughout Trimax, so I think naturally, he keeps a strong face no matter the level of hurt, whether on the outside or inner. It's just in his nature to not allow others to worry about him by pulling through with a fake smile or in some cases, he feels like he deserves the pain inflicted on him so even if he's getting pulverized to shit or threatened against his life, he'd default to a silence as opposed to screaming in agony that might make people think he isn't feeling anything. It's probably also second nature for him to no longer yelp or cry at pain after the amount of years he's spent getting hurt, but i think this only applies if he isn't emotionally involved in a fight (which is rare, but it happens in ch. 38).
In terms of physical pain, he seems to feel it like how regular humans do. I've thrown together some examples where he goes owchie owchie owchie that aren't too spoilery:
The Emilio scene is kind of why I don't think he's just playing up the theatrics of feeling pain, though I do think he would on some occasion, especially since he roleplays with children all the time. Verbally saying "ow ow ow" could potentially be an instinctive reaction too or maybe a source of comfort. But yeah!! I think Vash has always been able to feel pain and it's not like being a plant has lessen his ability to do so. Any resilience built is tacked on due to him being alive for 100 years and being a guy with a clear painted bullseye on his entire figure that ends up getting him shot and scarred.
In the end, the pain that gets to Vash the most will always be on an emotional level rather than physical, but Vash is such a genuine person and so present when it comes to other people that even if it's a pain he can take, it'll still hurt him terribly in more ways than one.
For Wolfwood; I think in general, those under the Eye of Michael have a strong resilience to dealing with pain due to the regen potions and the amount of training forced on them. I don't think we ever get the full description of what exactly those in EoM endured throughout their younger years, but we saw WW get shot at an early age in chapter 12 and we can assume it happened more than once. Over and over again until he won't even flinch against it just like how killing without hesitation was attempted to be drilled into him. I don't really know how it works scientifically… but I fully believe that he's mostly numbed to the physical sensation of it and it's the psychological part that gets to him more. Wolfwood himself is a naturally skilled fighter too, not that that really has anything to do with his dealing with pain, but I think his focus and attention on a battle and his stubbornness to win kicks an adrenaline that allows him to ignore the pain.
Though, his body also gets sore and tired just like any regular human does and there's this instance where he goes owie too:
(While NOT as much as Tristamp WW does where he's cracking a cold one every goddamn minute, I do think Trimax WW has gotten used to taking regen pots and thus, can afford to be careless and not give a damn.)
So, physically, technically in canon, they don't really have anything that specially makes either of them unable to feel pain, but just as you said, they're incredibly resilient. And ultimately, the both of them are affected emotionally/psychologically that hurts them more than the physical aspect of it, considering how physical pain is almost a daily chore for them to deal with (Vash being hunted for sport for majority of his life + Wolfwood being involved in experiments/killings for majority of his life.)
I think Trigun in general, while showing physical pain being a strong factor of hurt for regular people like us constantly seeing civiilians get beat up or shot, it tends to boil down to the multiple varieties of pain when it comes to those who deal with physical pain often (Gung Hos, Vash, EoM members).
I didn't know where to put these comments but here are extra thoughts:
They're both evidently really good at hiding their pains or any mark of vulnerability. They both could have a hole in their chest and go days without anyone else noticing so long it isn't killing them.
They're both pretty reckless during battle, but I think for Vash, he already tries to avoid violence at all cost and thus, do in a roundabout way lessen his own chance of getting hit in hoping to not stir that violence against another. As a result, I think Wolfwood can be way more reckless and ends up getting hurt more unnecessarily as a result of it.
They both are capable of healing at quick rates so I'm sure that allows the pain to feel more temporary, less of a risk to sustain, and to further hone in not caring too much about getting shot. That only applies for themselves individually though because every time they see each other get hurt, they're always so so worried despite knowing the other will be fine.
i'm pretty sure i repeated myself like 800 times, but i hope this Answered the question SFGMSDKGSMDKH i also tried to be vague enough in my wordings and focus only on the beginning-ish of trimax so to not spoil! i hope u enjoy ur reading of it!!
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I am here to drop more nudist Bakugou in your lap that somehow converts you into being a nudist yourself and then somehow has a baby w you that also never wants to wear clothes either. hm. hi caitie ily mwah
oooooh my god... (sorry to diverge immediately but) I'M ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT BAKUGO'S LITTLE NUDIST BABY!!! I think I mentioned it in the tags of one of my barbarian!Bakugo posts... how they'll always be running around, having all this fun in the nude, and when you go to try covering them up... Bakugo is literally trying to stop you LMAOOO.
Tbh, though? Yeah, he is probably like that in every universe. Gets all pouty when you even just mention a shirt or something, because "they don't need that. Lookit, they're having fun," or even, "we're at home. Stop."
...which just fuels your kid to be bare even MORE, since daddy is always on their side and supportive of it.
("But daddy says it's okay," while glaring at you smh.)
And I'm crying laughing at the thought of... having a kid who knows how to take off their own diaper, too. Like idk, maybe they spill something on themselves, or it's hot out, right? So you let them strip down to their undies... only for them to, five seconds later, rip off their diaper and try to hand it to you, too.
Big "I had an accident" vibes except... without the accident. It's just, "mommy, mommy... here. I dun need," and then they're running back off to do whatever wearing ONLY their little sandals LOL. It's the same with clothes, too... but the diaper always goes eventually.
(Thank god Kiri isn't bothered by this and his kids probably do the same LOL. Makes playdates so much less awkward, even if your kid is the bad influence in how they're always the first ones to do it adkjfaksd)
BUT LMAOOOO... gotta be like, "no, baby. Go and give that to daddy." (since he's the reason you're like this). That being said, however... Bakugo's probably all for it and doesn't even mind. Letting the cheeks get some air... "healthy," as he calls it.
Besides, what is life's purpose (not really) if not to watch your offspring run around nakey...? For Bakugo, at least: ACHIEVED. And he's so contented by it. His own lil nakey buddy.
(God... and the first time you're finally comfortable enough to walk around fully naked in front of him... boner immediately. He has to fuck you. It's honestly sorta concerning how caveman-y it makes him LMAOOOO. Love it though.)
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anyway, boo bear :((( tysm for this + i love u, too!!! how are u doing? good, i hope!💕💕💕
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[edit: this is accidentally a net zero information post my apologies, except that the colour symbolism referenced below is still incredibly cool and possibly still fits]
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the 'bad thing on the left, good thing on the right' symbolism is such an ingrained thing in the western cultural consciousness that it's done without really thinking about it, to the point where I cannot remember a quinn-and-companion artwork that doesn't do that (with quinn as the sinister one, obviously), and yet
in the last dam job, except when they're sitting around the table planning with the team (when they meet in kyiv, when they encounter and leave dubenich, when they shake hands and walk away at the end), it's always quinn on the right and eliot on the left.
and that's interesting. because eliot is grappling with a big messy ethical quandry (do I kill this guy so my friend & leader doesn't have to, do I fall back on old awful habits so at least it's me doing it) basically the entire time. we see eliot in his don't-mess-with-me-I'm-eliot-spencer hitter getup and he never changes out of that red shirt*, he runs right at someone firing a gun at him and tells him the gun is what makes it fair-
(*it has been pointed out to me that it's a different red shirt, which is very cool on the colour symbolism front)
he is, the entire time, closer to the darker side of the eliot we know very well by the end of season four. and quinn is… quinn we met as a fast-hitting curly-haired bastard and are becoming familiar with again as someone eliot trusted enough to hire, a decent ally at least when he's paid to be. he banters. he threatens. he does the work.
he offers to kill dubenich for eliot with none of the angst eliot's dealing with, apparently none of the weight on his soul, and we all collectively went hm, amoral bastard, with less in the way of shadows in his heart than eliot has.
maybe it's a stretch to say this symbolism is partly why but I am delighted it ties in well.
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