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bonefall · 1 year

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i would love to see more about bb!crowfeather, if you haven’t done a post about him already? (i tried digging but couldn’t find one, dunno if that’s just tumblr search being broken tho)

I'll make him a big summary post once I've settled on a design I like for him, I'm stuck up on if I want him to be smooth or spiky. So here's a little doodle page + some casual notes

Me: "I'm not a fan of projecting real world culture onto BB redux cats,and if I ever was giving a character an in universe accent it would specifically be to give the smartest character on screen a very thick northern english one to stick it in the face of the way southern english accents are associated with intelligence"

Also me: "but crowfeather is italian"

BB!Crow is pretty different from canon

My Crow is a very passionate guy, it's never lost from his young warrior days. Many of the late Po3/early OotS moments where Leafpool is confessing her love in front of his wife and children are from him to her instead

Mudclaw and Torear are some of the best cooks in WindClan during the late Thistle Period. Crowpaw was super close with his mentor Mudclaw, and picked this up from him

For the Great Journey, Crow mashed up his personal collection of mealworms to make tunnelbun rations for everyone

And SPEAKING of the Great Journey, he was already a warrior at the time. His name was Crowfoot, for his mom and dad

Both Dead and Ash were old friends of Bluestar, members of the forget-me-nots.

Ashfoot shared this with him when he was young, and also that Tigerstar was responsible for killing his dad

This feeds into some changes I'm making to have Crow be slightly less frustrating during the Journey. He's still angry, short tempered, and dramatic, but MUCH less openly antagonistic

Squilf and him are usually involved in food related escapades, youll see when I finish the notes of TNP

Feathertail's death changes everyone. Crow most of all.

Crow is an impulsive young warrior. He throws himself headfirst into things, often forgetting that he isn't the only person in the world who matters. Feathertail felt like cool water, reminding him how to slow down and take a breath

The romantic affection was mutual, but imo I don't think it would have lasted.

But no one will ever know if it will, least of all Crowfoot, who is convinced that they both died that day in the mountain

Tallstar’s final name is Crow's honor title; Crowfeather.

And then Leafpooooooool

When she ultimately isn't willing to, like, throw away everyone she's ever loved and go live in the wildnerness with him, Crowfeather loses his marbles, convinced now that Actually He is Unlovable

And still he gets with Nightcloud, thinking that he can't possibly be hurt any more, he must re-prove his loyalty after he vanished for a week... it really was a pretty knee-jerk choice he didn't think through and rationalized post-hoc

No consideration for Nightcloud here.

This post isn't about Nightcloud btw but she is actually pretty reduxed too. The fact she was involved in the raid to kill Onewhisker is politically relevant to Breezepelt later

And Breezy, poor fucking Breeze

Crow is a garbage dad. Breeze is really not in a good environment with him and Nightcloud.

Through points in Po3, before Breeze becomes the villain who kills Firestar and sees a redemption in AVoS, I am planning several moments to establish that Breezepaw is perfectly capable of being a loving cat if he was in a better life situation

To Crowfeather's benefit, age will do wonders on mellowing him out.

He does tend to struggle with compassion though, and remains a pretty harsh character for most of his life.

Crow wanted to be a Light in the Mist to even begin to apologize to Breeze, but Breeze knocks him out lmao no more Crowf worship thanks erins

Anyway. Onto design stuff

Hollyleaf and Breezepelt look a LOT like grandpa Deadfoot, but I'm not sure if I want Crowfeather to look a lot like him

I'm leaning towards him looking like Ashfoot detail-wise but have Deadfoot’s face.

Btw you can observe, here, the WindClan Tail Tuft.

Most WindClan cats have a lighter-colored tail tuft to help them be seen in tall grass, it's a feature like the ThunderClan Mane you may have noticed in a lot of my TC cats.

Ashfoot and Morningflower have a cloudy swirl on their tails, and a "whispy" sort of vibe. Deadfoot and his dad Chicorynose have a dragon-arrow.

Holly got the dragon arrow because She Deserves It

I'm fond of this redux lmao, let men be dramatic

#Bb!Crowfeather #Better bones au #Bone babble

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boilingrain · 9 months

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Rain Draws Squirrelflight, Leafpool & Bramblestar a Few Times

Since these three won my poll on which protagonists I should draw, here they are!

They don't get as much art per character as Ashfur did, because that was one character and this is three. Trust me, this was faster and more do-able

So anyways, first up is the Squirrel herself!

I draw Squirrelpaw generally softer & bouncier looking than I draw Squirrelflight, because at this point in time she's just a kid. She has not yet witnessed the Horrors(tm)

Even when I was reading The New Prophecy for the first time as a kid, I always imagined Squirrelpaw/Squirrelflight as having little round ears. Maybe it was just the "Squirrel" prefix, but that trait has always stuck with me and I've always drawn her with small ears.

This isn't a trait unique to Squirrelflight with my designs though! In her family alone, Cloudtail, Alderheart, Lionblaze and Nutmeg also have small, rounded ears (Princess might also have them, but I haven't decided yet. I also haven't decided if any of Cloudtail or Lionblaze's kits have the rounded ears, but at least one probably does)

I wish that she had kept her telepathy thing with her sister, I honestly thought it was interesting. It's a shame that the Erins quickly ran out of uses for it and decided to pretend it never existed. This may or may not be why in my rewrite of Warriors that exists in my head (like many others in this fandom), the telepathy thing didn't stop existing as soon as it wasn't super useful the plot anymore.

Admittedly, she's always been my favorite of the cats who journeyed to the sun-drown place (though tbf, most of them didn't really get any proper development, and the other one was Brambleclaw. I do have a soft spot for Stormfur and Tawnypelt, though).

Also I... forgot to color Squirrelkit's mouth. Whoops

The lady with a somehow worse taste in men than her sister, Squirrelflight!

Please Squirrelflight, you could've done so much better than Bramblestar. You deserve so much better than Bramblestar.

That aside, Squirrelflight has been one of my favorites for a long time. I just think she's a fun and interesting character

I think I said basically all of the things I was going to say when I was talking about Squirrelpaw, tbh. Also, much like a lot of the fandom for some reason, I don't really remember much of what happened during OotS? I don't think Squilf was particularly relevant during that arc, but it's possible she was and I just genuinely do not remember.

Why is Omen of the Stars basically just a void in everyone's memory. What's going on there.

Anyways, those aren't the final designs for Lionkit, Hollykit & Jaykit in that little doodle. Those are just kind of rough concept designs for them, and when I eventually draw them they'll probably look different. Also this is tortie Hollyleaf propaganda

If Lionblaze can be golden (though I typically draw him as cream) when both of his parents are functionally black (brown = black when it comes to cats. Also Leafpool shouldn't be a brown tabby anyways, because her dad is red and her mom is cream, which is a dilute version of red. I should stop talking now, before I get too deep into rambling about cat genetics), then Hollyleaf can be a tortie. (Jayfeather's fine btw. Gray is a dilute version of black, and both of his parents carry dilute. Crowfeather from Ashfoot & Leafpool from Sandstorm)

Okay, I'll finally shut up about cat genetics now

If Squirrelstar doesn't happen, I will eat my hat. I will eat several hats.

I actually don't even know how old Squirrelflight is currently in the books. It doesn't help that the Erins are weird with ages and don't seem to know how cats work.

For my purposes, I choose to believe that the Clans have been at the lake for at least a decade, making Squilf at least 10 1/2 - 11 years old, depending on how old she was when the Clans left the forest territories. And putting her around that age would, in fact, make her a senior (for a house cat, at least. Real feral cats don't typically live that long, but tbf the clans have medicine and stuff, so their life expectancy might be longer than regular feral cats. But cats are considered seniors once they hit 10 years old)

Also all things considered, she's probably been stressed as hell for a while and experiencing the Horrors(tm). So she gets some gray on her muzzle from a combination of age and stress.

Honestly she deserves to go on a nice, relaxing vacation where she doesn't have to deal with the Erin's less than good writing choices and shitty treatment of female characters.

Anyways Squirrelstar's leader mark is her nose spot becoming star shaped, because I love it when leaders are depicted with some sort of star shaped marking. I eat it up every time.

I'll talk more about leader marks and how I do them at a later time, though.

Leafpaw! My sweet baby Leafpaw!

My version of Leafpool is big and very fluffy, and you can't stop me from drawing her that way

Right off the bat, you'll probably notice that her design has changed a bit from the original concept design that I posted, as she's now a tortie instead of a regular brown tabby. Admittedly, a big part of why she's a tortie now is that I just love torties & calicos haha

If anything, her name makes even more sense now, because the combination of brown and orange makes her look more like leaves during fall! :)

Why's Leaf a tortie but Squirrel isn't? Maybe Squirrelflight is a secret tortie, or maybe she's trans, who knows? (The actual answer is that I had already finished all the Squilf art when I randomly decided to have Leaf be a tortie, but I didn't want to go back and change Squilf's design because I love it)

I hope it's obvious that I love Leafpool a whole lot

Once again, Holly, Lion & Jay's designs in this are not their final designs and when I eventually get around to actually drawing them, they'll definitely have at least a few design changes.

Also it's really hard to draw tiny little newborn kittens on a small scale like this.

Anyways I've never actually read Leafpool's Wish, so I don't know if it proves or disproves what I'm about to say, but I think that with how much Leafpool loved her kits, I believe that she would've raised them herself if she had the ability to.

I also personally believe that if Squirrelflight hadn't decided to take in the kits, or if Leafpool had decided that she wanted to raise her kits instead of her sister doing it, Thunderclan wouldn't have done shit about it. I mean, she definitely wouldn't be as trusted as she was before, but I don't think she'd lose her job (at least at first) or be exiled. She was their only medicine cat, they literally couldn't do shit about it. Additionally, she's Firestar's daughter and also related to Sandstorm and Squirrelflight, who are both individually forces to be reckoned with.

She'd probably have to train an apprentice as soon as possible and then have to step down from her role as medicine cat, but I definitely don't think she'd be exiled or anything.

Leafpool but she sparkles

For anyone who didn't see my Ashfur post, some of the rules I have for Starclan designs is that Starclan cats are lighter in color and have sharper & more star shaped markings compared to when they were alive. They also have their appearances change over time in a way connected to their names, which is why Leafpool is starting to grow leaves out of her neck fluff.

Additionally, Starclan cats will typically have a sharper shape, to go with their sharper markings. You'll notice that while she has the sharper markings, Leafpool's fur is still soft and rounded.

I feel like Leafpool's whole thing with her trial would affect her Starclan appearance, but that's not really something that results from a trial, so her not becoming sharper in shape is the exception rather than the rule.

I didn't design a Dark Forest Leafpool, but I imagine that the changes she'd get there (because my DF cats have their appearances change based on their crimes) would be that she would still grow leaves out of her body, but she'd also grow feathers and would have particularly long and sharp claws that she wouldn't be able to sheath. Each of these things is representative of the "crime" that she was sentenced for (even though Spottedleaf, a Starclan cat, literally encouraged her to do that)

The leaves would specifically be holly leaves (representing, well... Hollyleaf), the feathers would be a mix of jay and crow (representing Jayfeather & Crowfeather) and the claws would represent Lionblaze (though for this one I went with something meant to represent his power instead of his name. With Leafpool being a medicine cat, I think it fits)

If Leafpool doesn't give Squirrelstar a life we riot

The bramble man

Honestly even as a kid Brambleclaw wasn't exactly my favorite character. I wasn't really old enough to really process how he sucks, honestly I just kind of remember thinking that he was boring. Maybe that's just the fact that I've always liked Squirrelflight & Leafpool way more than him, but I just didn't really care for his POV chapters during The New Prophecy

I did love the Hawkfrost scene, though. Because I wasn't on any warrior cats forums or anything as a kid, I didn't get spoiled about stuff like Hawkfrost's death or the Fire Scene (along with many other important scenes), so I think those scenes hit way harder for me.

When I was a kid reading Po3 for the first time, I genuinely didn't even suspect that Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw weren't Hollyleaf, Lionblaze & Jayfeather's biological parents. So you can probably imagine how shocked little elementary school me was

But anyways, yeah. While I didn't hate Brambleclaw as a kid, I just didn't really care about him.

On another note, my Brambleclaw/star design is pretty similar in shape to my Lionheart design (just with extra toes and not as big of a mane). Since Lionheart was Goldenflower's brother, I thought it would be interesting if while everyone else just saw Tigerclawstar in Bramble's appearance, Goldenflower didn't.

My Tawnypelt design has a more similar shape to Tigerclawstar, though.

Bramblestar!

Leader marks are usually an already existing marking that becomes star shaped (like how I made Squirrelstar's nose spot star shaped), but sometimes a new marking entirely will appear as the leader mark.

While I easily could've made one of the spots on the backs of his ears into a star shaped for his leader mark, I have plans relating to Bramblefake/The Imposter and Bramblestar's mark.

You'll see said plans in a moment, but what I will mention about it is that my Ashfur design has a broken heart shaped marking on his chest.

On an unrelated note, Bramblestar should have someone else name warriors for him because great Starclan is he bad at names.

There's totally nothing wrong with Bramblestar, what possibly could've made you think that

Anyways, a combination of the whole being possessed thing & Ashfur's broken heart marking have caused Bramblestar's leader mark to "break". It actually doesn't get fixed after he's no longer possessed, his leader mark stays that way.

The Imposter's fur is darker and droopier than regular Brambkestar. I don't have a real reason for the darker color (other than that it looks cool), but the fur is Ashfur's doing.

Another thing that is Ashfur's doing is the blue pupils. Bramblestar is supposed to have red pupils (due to him training in the Dark Forest in TNP), but being possessed kind of overrides that and so The Imposter's pupils are blue. They do turn red again after Bramblestar is no longer possessed, though.

Honestly, I still kind of wish that the theory that Bramblestar had rabies was canon. The possession was interesting, but I don't think rabies has even been mentioned in the series. Which is a bit surprising considering that it's basically a soap opera with cats, but then again the Erins sure do love taking the opportunity to ignore possible interesting new plots. Why do anything interesting when we could instead have a billion more badly written romances

But I will admit, it was interesting to have Ashfur come back to be awful again. I'm still mad that he got let into Starclan after trying to kill at least 4 people because he "loved too much" and that gave him more of an opportunity to pull this shit. They absolutely butchered Yellowfang after she died. Not really even recognizable as the same character as her living self.

I'm not doing more art for this post. I'm tired and I'm going to go get some sleep. Tomorrow I will get back to work on hypokit requests, but for now it is time to put away my art supplies and lay in bed.

#warrior cats #squirrelpaw #squirrelflight #squirrelstar #leafpaw #leafpool #brambleclaw #bramblestar #ashfur #(b/c of Bramblefake/The Imposter)#warrior cats art #rain's art corner

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yuridovewing · 5 months

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hiiiii razorverse questions for u (sorry if these have been answered! tumblr isnt letting me search this update): 1) what is kestrelflight my specialist little guy doing? HOW is he doing? 2) whats mousewhisker up to. my second specialist little guy. po3 apprentice generation is literally my favorite

YAYYYYYYY THANK YOU!!!! i haven't said anything about either of those characters yet, so here we go!

Kestrelflight

-Unlike in canon, Barkface was unfortunately never around to train him- he died back during the forest destruction, succumbing to a combination of old age and sickness. The lack of a medic was a big contributor towards the WindClan Civil War. Mudclaw insisted on assigning a new medic, while Onewhisker insisted on waiting for a line to StarClan to be discovered so they could choose- and he also didn't want to force anyone into the position, even temporarily, so instead, Leafpaw spent a lot of time in WindClan as a temporary medic.

-MASSIVE point of contention. The cats were uncomfortable that he was once again letting a ThunderClan cat into a major position of power, while others insisted that they should appreciate Leafpaw's help when they had none. (This is also where LeafCrow starts here btw)

-It was only worse when they DIDN'T get an immediate sign, and yet no one was up to the task, so for a while WindClan just didn't have a medic. Leafpool eventually had to return after the scandal she committed with Crowfeather along with Cinderpelt's "death", and the clan was now vocally against letting another clan's medic help. But Onestar's fatal flaw is his stubbornness, and he was determined to keep his foot down and not turn back on his decision to wait for a sign. He was trying to keep his morals sooo bad.

-Finally though, they got Kestrelpaw, a young tom who had both the will and the signs to back him up. Poor guy had to deal with becoming an apprentice early at 4 moons though, they put him to work the instant he got the sign. They had StarClan be his mentor. Thankfully there were no serious epidemics or anything during his apprenticeship, but it was still a stressful time and he second-guessed his decision constantly.

-If this sounds familiar, it's because he's a parallel to Puddleshine. Kestrelflight is NOT pleased about being banned from helping the poor guy in AVoS- he knows EXACTLY what it's like in his position, except Puddle didn't even have a sign to back him up! He wanted to be a secondary mentor for the little guy, especially when the yellowcough epidemic nearly wiped out ShadowClan. He was PISSED about this.

-He actually starts off the series being a bit of a doormat, he's overly permissive and lets people walk all over him. Onestar doesn't like this and wants his medic to stand up for himself more because "we can't afford to show weakness" (Sire is projecting!). But after the debacle with Hollyleaf and Willowshine along with the dark forest, he becomes more cynical and less willing to deal with people's shit. Hence him breaking the embargo Onestar set as a "fuck you" to him specifically. (side note: since the Darktail plot is changed to not involve Onestar as much, the embargo plot may or may not stay. I do still plan to have him die in this arc though)

-He was close friends with Hollyleaf and Willowshine, though he definitely felt like a third wheel. He was aware of their relationship but never wanted to say anything out of fear of getting any of them in trouble. In fact, I'm thinking he helped hide Hollyleaf's pregnancy for the most part, though I'm not quite sure how. When Hollyleaf ran away, he was crushed and he tried to support Willowshine however he could, but she was very closed off after the incident and never stopped mourning the chance to know her kits, so he ended up losing her in a way too. It got somewhat better when Ivypaw was briefly a medic, but of course that didn't last.

-He actually had a crush on Jayfeather and was happy when he was briefly a medic, but it never really went anywhere sadly.

-Might hit him with the nby beam. Not sure yet though.

Mousewhisker

-In TNP, he's mostly handled the same as he is in canon! He's a kit that's accepted into ThunderClan with his family after he's in danger of being taken away and euthanized by the barn humans. I don't really have any additions to make there.

-I could be totally misremembering him, absolutely, but I always perceived him as a studious kid who seems like a goody two shoes, always giving an apple to the teacher and getting all As, and is sorta seen as stuffy for it, but in reality he loves to go behind people's backs and break the rules. He's got a sneaky streak! He spies on people a lot and he's no snitch- he'll help you sneak out of camp if he thinks he can get some fun out of it.

-Loves to "erm, actually-" people though. He's a teacher in the clan and he drives some of the apprentices crazy.

-He sneaks out consistently to meet with Minnowpaw/tail. The both of them decide to start training in the Dark Forest because they believe the DF cats' goal is to reform the code, and they want to remove the part that keeps them apart. This does not end well for them. Oops.

-Btw! I keep going back and forth on who the RiverClan three are, but I think I'm gonna shake up the family tree quite a bit here and make them Minnowtail, Beetlewhisker, and Rippletail. If canon doesn't care about their actual canon relationships and timelines then neither will I, these guys have the most material for me to work with so here we go. They're all Icewing's kits and after Rippletail's death, Minnow and Beetle and their mom all align with the Dark Forest, until Beetle also dies. Minnow is the sole survivor of her three.

-I'm not sure what Mousewhisker really does in the narrative himself, he's definitely just a supporting character to the RiverClan three's plots. I think the entire family is aware of him, and are actually cool with it and agree to try and get rid of the law so they can be together (Minnow and her sibs are also halfclan, Icewing has a leg in this too). Proto RiverClan family coup?

-He miiiight take Hazeltail's place death-wise, except he dies in the great battle instead of offscreen greencough. He fights for the clans, but ultimately gets killed trying to protect Minnowtail. Minnow may also be pregnant but idk who her kits will be. Poor girl goes THROUGH IT in The Last Hope.

#poor mousewhisker. gave him stuff to do only for him to die a boytoy #mail #again tysm!!!!#razorverse #gluemyselfshut

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cagedcats · 8 months

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The possible final part to Starkit’s Reduxify- this one is an odd one.

So this one is a combination of love interest, mentor and father. Weird huh? Let me give you the rundown real quick!

Starkit is made into Starpaw and apprenticed to Firestar, her great grandfather through Jayfeather. Her and Firestar… yeah it gets odd.

So Firestar thinks of how attractive she is. And then next chapter it is outright said- they’re mates. Not only is he in a relationship with his great-granddaughter, but also someone who was just apprenticed three days prior.

It’s weird!

Graystripe is the one who finds this out btw. Only because he wanted to become mates with Starpaw and she had to tell him the bad news.

Starpaw not sure how to handle all of this runs off and into Blackstar (who also confesses his love to her). She runs away again and runs into Jayfeather. Who is rather okay with his teenage daughter being courted by his grandfather and two other dudes triple her age.

If anything he’s happy about it because “people like you” and then tells her it’s her choice. She picks her great grandfather. She doesn’t get to tell him, because Hollyleaf and Tigerstar attacks and becomes leader a day after becoming a Warrior aaaaaaaaand Firestar leaves.

He joins ShadowClan and like his great granddaughter immediately becomes leader because Blackstar died. Graystripe is only mentioned three other times and Jayfeather is stuck in a state of dying and coming back to life for all of eternity.

Now that that’s over with, let’s get to the renames-

Firestar -> Morningspot OR Sparkstripe

He gets two for the reasoning of him leaving ShadowClan and becoming leader.

I’m not certain of whether someone from one Clan can leave to another and become leader. I mean we see with Yellowfang she can become a Seer, but a leader? I’m not 100% certain about.

I did ask and I got smacked with a plant fact. So there’s something we can sit and squint for in the upcoming arcs!

Now Firestar like everyone else isn’t a character. He’s there to make Starkit feel good, and be a supporting character. He can’t win a fight for his life, and is mostly just there. His most notable moments are being A) in a relationship with his great granddaughter (and an apprentice) despite Sandstorm being right there and B) leaving ThunderClan and joining up with ShadowClan

Now I did play with giving him -cloud. Because he does seem like a relatively chill guy. But then I remembered he got in a fight with someone because relationship drama.

He has no morals (he was in ShadowClan and was therefor ‘evil’ to the point of interacting with the antagonists), and he isn’t skilled. He’s a pelt based suffix warrior for sure.

So Morningspot (ShadowClan) and Sparkstripe (ThunderClan) for him.

Of course I’ll probably be going with just one of them. If Sparkstripe, he will be Sparkstar and for sure not in a relationship with Nightpaw. Morningspot though I’ll probably make more her age just to give a Easter egg to the weird relationship shenanigans prior. Though not weird this time.

Oh! But if I go with Sparkstripe I did play with the idea of making him, Waspdusk’s dad maybe? Or somehow related to her.

Greystripe -> Darkbelly

I almost didn’t add him because of how little he is seen. But I decided to anyway.

Greystripe is only seen twice. Once when asking out a literal child, then comforting Blackstar for being rejected a second time, and finally at the very end.

He is switched to Dark- because he is described as a dark grey cat in some cases, and because he is outright described as “funny” I can twist things and give him the -belly suffix.

Once again no relationship between him and Nightpaw/claw. Instead he will be her mentor.

Why? You ask, well it was stated that leaders rarely mentor apprentices. Too much going on. And unlike Bluestar, Sparkstar (or whatever other leader) doesn’t have to take responsibility for bringing in a random kid.

So to Darkbelly she goes. He was probably there to try and make her see the lighter things in life rather then take things so seriously.

Not that it worked, but he tried. And was probably relieved to be free of her once she was made into a Warrior.

Jayfeather -> Cuckoocloud

Now onto Starkit’s father! The medicine cat that is blatantly open about it. It’s brought up once about how cats don’t like it. And never seen or mentioned again.

Starkit Prophecy Jayfeather is the complete opposite of canon Jayfeather. He’s rather laid back, and is someone there to help Starkit in her times of need.

Helping calm her down, and give her advice on what to do.

He is killed by Hollyleaf, revives, and then lives out the rest of his life presumably. I think it’s stated that the death of his daughter was something he had to work to get over? But I can’t remember tbh.

Now I wanted him to be an outsider. First to make him stand out from the other ThunderClanners, but also I like the idea of him being the person really pulling the strings along. I wanted him to guide Nightpaw into being the cat she becomes.

To do away with the old, and replace it with something far different from typical Clan beliefs.

Yes, he’s a Seer. But whoever said it was StarClan he was communicating with? And with Nightpaw’s connection to StarClan, he should’ve picked her as his apprentice. But if she became leader? Well that just helps him move things along.

Of course that’s also partly because I gave him Cuckoo- as a replacement prefix. And of course with his very chill behavior and soothing nature with Starpaw/Nightpaw, the -cloud suffix was easy.

And that’s partly why he’s here. While Morningspot/Sparkstripe was her mentor in the original source, Darkbelly her mentor here- he is the secret teacher who is giving her secret lessons.

And the one she is the closest with.

Now this is probably the last one- and I may- MAY start writing down a plot line and writing. But that’s a very big maybe.

I may make one more reduxify of the story. But tbh i think I’ve ran through most of the cats? At least the ones who speak more then once or mentioned only one time. So this is probably the very last one.

But I may make a poll to decide between Morningspot or Sparkstripe. Or maybe just maybe keep both. But that’s unlikely.

#starkit’s prophecy #starkit’s prophecy redux #caged art #warriors cats

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night--heart · 4 months

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💔📝☯️💋 for the ask thing!

💋 : is there any ships out there you absolutely hate for genuinely no good reason at all. like its not problematic in the slightest, if anything it's one of the better ones, you just cannot bring yourself to enjoy it

any ship involving jayfeather or shadowsight honestly . . . in my head they will forever be aroace so whenever i see any ship art for either of them im just like . he would NOT be mates with them !! lol

as for specific ships, ive never been a fan of shadowsight and sunbeam or sunbeam and rootspring or leafpool and hawkfrost... to me with the sunbeam x shadow/root ships it just feels like people are shipping her with any tom she interacts with as a way to be like "look! this character would be a much better mate than nightheart!" and arent actually putting any thought into the ship outside of that. leafpool and hawkfrost just doesnt appeal 2 me though. im a mothpool truther <3 hehe

📝 : if commanded to, without warning, approximately how many paragraphs could you write about your favorite warrior cat before you ran out of things to say

i could write an entire essay on nightheart's character i think. probably 8 whole paragraphs until i start repeating myself haha

same goes for leafpool too as shes one of my other favs , i could probably write a whole essay about her as well :3

☯️ : what dynamic between two cats has got you up at night pacing for hours? (romantic, platonic, familial, etc)

the relationship between the three and squirrelflight/leafpool has always been interesting to me and god i wish it was explored more in canon... i feel like we never really get to see hollyleaf's true Road To Redemption and her coming to terms with everything and forgiving leafpool and squirrelflight until she dies. i really wish she wasnt killed off in the last hope btw that still makes me so mad grgargharhgar harghaarhgar hgarragh she could have been so cool and such a good character but rargh. rghrgrrrgh

honestly i love any dynamic between a cat and their parent bc thers so many rocky parent/kit relationships in wc and i love them all to death because i love projecting my own parental issues on to them . this also includes nightheart/sparkpelt and frostpaw/curlfeather and sunbeam/berryheart and the three/leafpool (and squirrelflight)... even rainflower/crookedstar and eventually crookedstar/silverstream, the ending of crookedstar's promise where he struggles to even spend time with silverkit after willowbreeze and minnowkit and willowkit's death is Heartbreaking, when he's still grieving and pushing away his one remaining kit who doesn't even know he's her father... gah. ghhra.a.rghgr hrg ahgr hahrhgh (positive) (i love relationships like this theyre so good)

💔 : have you ever lost friends over warriors related topics?

ill be real ive never actually had friends who like warrior cats. like i knew people in 5th grade who did but we never talked about the characters or discussed anything about the books we just roleplayed it during recess . . .

i do think that i probably turn a lot of Potential Friends away just because i dare to like a character that the majority of the fandom hates...which is unfortunate that the fandom has gotten to that point where liking/disliking a character will get you mass blocked by all the popular wc blogs but. oh well! at least i know im not alone in liking nightheart, there's at least a handful of nightheart fans out there <3

#every time i reblog an ask game about warrior cats i realize again for the 10000th time : i dont think about canon charcatesr that much lol #i mean i do but likeeee . i think im more invested in my own ocs and their dynamics and everything than canon wc #just bc canon wc doesnt really give us alot to work with . yknow?#my ocs are more interesting than canon wc characters. ill say it. ill scream it from the rooftops

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pumpkinnkidd · 1 year

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sorry if somebody has already asked you this, but do you have any favorite characters from warrior cats ? personally mine are firestar, scourge, ferncloud, & sorreltail, but i kinda wanna know yours ! :3

no one has ever asked me this!!! i love talking about my favorite characters im so happy you asked

those are all amazing fav character pics btw!!! my favorites are hollyleaf, bristlefrost, feathertail, and dovewing!! i love crookedstar, squirrelflight and leafpool, and briarlight too but the previous four are my beloveds of all time.

little ramble, i love hollyleaf because her story is very tragic to me and she is cringefail! she is so interesting… most of these characters i really love because me and my gf has a massive rewrite au and hollyleaf gets the glow up of the century. a traumatized murderer loose in the tunnels can only end well! other than that, i love hollyleaf for all the other reasons people love her: sacrificial lamb with no powers >:))

bristlefrost is a much more recent fav but she is probably my favorite warrior cat of all time. i actually really like bristleroot, though it has its flaws. her death parallel to ashfur’s ( and how her and hollyleaf should have met ) is so good. she died thinking only of love while ashfur is obsessive and filled with toxic malice. it’s beautifully poetic. she is also big strong battle women i love her 💖

feathertail i love for similar reasons to hollyleaf. her and tawnypelt could have had the relationship ever if written about. i wish she stayed bitter longer. i have an au idea where when she died midnight reincarnates her into jayfeather! i love thinking about her… i could go on and on about the bonds she has with other characters and how they can be dissected and elaborated. especially sasha + her kits… hawkfrost should have been a journeying cat with feathertail over stormfur imo

AND DOVEWING!!! I LOVEWING DOVEWING! she is even more of a sacrificial lamb than hollyleaf but she doesn’t even die. she should have gone deaf after losing her powers that would have been very cool. she was used for her entire life as a child of war running away to shadowclan was the best thing ever for her. tigerheart should have been a girl they coulda been lebsians… and remove all the weird stuff about their age gap pretty please. i really love the two of them together but the fact they are related + weird age gap is… so unfortunate!!!

anyway thank you so much for letting me ramble i love these dumb battle cats

#mail.txt #warrior cats #hollyleaf #bristlefrost #feathertail #dovewing #who coulda guessed all my fav characters are girls except #crookedstar. he is sillay

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gayleafpool · 2 years

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Hi ^_^ I know there’s tons of Warrior Cat books and like no real continuity so I was wondering which ones you’d personally recommend :3 I love your art btw and I hope you have a good day <3

sorry i took so long to answer this!!! ur getting a long answer sorry. a long answer that is not really even a clear answer. enjoy ❤️

so there IS continuity. if u read out of order or skip there will be things u don’t understand and characters u don’t know, u will get confused. the books u can skip without missing anything would be the super editions and novelas.

also. the books are like…. very fun but not good. u know what i mean. theyre children’s books and they have a lot of flaws and ignorant writing choices. fairly similar to like, percy jackson if u have read those. they can be fun but their grip on me is partly just nostalgia.

OKAY so the first arc is called the prophecies begin. personally i do think this one is very fun. i would definitely read it if u really wanna get into the series. there are six books in this arc. all the arcs have six books.

second arc is called the new prophecy, has another six books. this one is my personal fave but i’m biased bc it has leafpool povs and she’s my fave. but i do think this one is fun. dont skip the leafpool books or i’ll eat you

third arc is the power of three. another 6 books in this one. this one was not a fave of mine but a lot of people love it. i just didnt idk why. EXCEPT THE LAST TWO. those are fun. but like, if u dont read the first four u will probably be confused. sorry 😟

next is omen of the stars. again 6 more books in this one. i personally really liked this one bc i love both ivypool and dovewing, the two main characters of this arc, so i was always winning.

next arc that was written was dawn of the clans, but they take place way way earlier in the timeline. so all new characters. this is one u could actually skip without really missing much, but i thought it was kinda fun.

next arc we come back to the regular timeline. this arc is called a vision of shadows. i was not really a fan of this one, don’t even know why it was just kinda boring 2 me.

next arc is the broken code. i have actually not read this yet lol 😭😭 so idk if it’s good like i know everything that happens but i stopped here. someday maybe i’ll get around to it but i don’t really have the time. and then the next arc is in progress, i think there are 3 so far, obviously have not read this one either yet.

ummm and then as for the super editions worth reading: TALLSTAR BOOK!!!! IF U READ ANY OF THEM READ THAT ONE! bluestar’s book is also pretty good. i personally liked mapleshade’s book bc finally an evil woman. and then um hollyleaf’s novela was good. those are the main ones for me, but there are like 20 lol i have not read all of them

THANK U ❤️❤️❤️ HAVE A NICE DAY

#asks #WOW LONG!

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crowfeather-ed · 1 year

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If I may ask, how come you hate the Hollyfawn map/au? /neu

I'm a little hater and I hate everything that gets popular.

On a more serious note, I generally just dislike CheetahZ's weird AU maps. They rarely make any sense and I am very much someone who likes clear and conceit storylines even in AUs. From what I have seen of it, the Hollyfawn AU is very much not that.

Like I tried. I watched the MAP parts that have been released and I tried reading the script (was unable to, btw, because of the weird ass way the google docs was formatted) and no matter how many parts I watched of it... I genuinely could not understand what the hell was going on. It was all just flashy colors and weird Hollyleaf angst- doesn't help that Hollyleaf is my absolute favourite character and I am very picky of the way people portray her character.

Like I don't have a "good" reason for hating it. It's not a whole "A actually here's the top 10 reasons why it's problematic" or whatever. It is just something I truly do not like in the slightest and so saying I hate it is not an exaggeration. I feel the same way with the whole Hawkstorm and Crookedgoose AU- they're just nonesense AU that exist for the sake of it and where I can see they would be appealing to some, they are very much not to me.

#just smth thats not my cup of tea and that i feel very strongly about #not rlly gonna tag it with anything cause im fine with just being a hater on my blog and my blog alone

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hollyleafthunderclan · 1 year

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hey! ooc here, welcome to my blog! technically my name is rana, but you can call me holly or straight up hollyleaf!

some things to know about me:

• i AM a system, and we have multiple (multiple!) hollyleaf introjects. so be nice, don't be weird. (and if you're mean, we won't give you much light of day, go somewhere else) we won't put notices to differences in front, and this is my own project so it'll probably just be me updating. (hah)

• treat reblogs like you'd be talking to hollyleaf herself, but tags are fair game. if you're a "respond in the tags" kind of person (i am, i get it) just put in in parenthesis or note that it's ooc. let's pretend she can't see that. (this matters because she might respond, especially if you're directing your talking at her!)

• asks and submissions will be answered unless deemed Weird or spoiling or ooc! (and if ooc, will be responded as such in turn)

things about this blog:

it's inspired by a blog called tubbo3091 (great blog btw) of dsmp's c!tubbo of the world from his perspective after certain events and as he lives his life. i know dsmp is a bit of a heated subject to some but i know a couple warriors fans who like dsmp (or at least tolerate it) and all i ask is that you don't bring it up (unless positive/neutral) :)

if you say something that hollyleaf Probably Shouldn't Know, like tv shows or movies or characters, especially with no context, hollyleaf will be confused and will not engage. (i mean, she'll respond, but not much more than a few question marks or a "huh?") unless i think it's silly. then i might snag a bit of recognition or some joke. :)

this blog is entirely canon compliant unless i say otherwise for a gag or spin off(?) or maybe if i deem it interesting. (or if i forget something. feel free to pull an Um, Actually and correct me in the comments or reblogs. i do not mind.)

she MAY be ooc. i don't know. i've loved hollyleaf since i first read the series and i have a huge attachment to her character. i promise it won't be much more than mannerisms in the way she speaks and nothing intentionally.

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kipswarriorcats · 3 years

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my BIGGEST warriors pet peeve is when artists draw hollyleaf’s death and show leafpool crying and grieving while squirrelflight is just looking kind of sad in the background. like, that’s her daughter. leafpool didn’t raise holly, squilf did, and she played a much bigger role in the three’s life. leafpool gave birth to them but squilf was their got dam mother. hell some people have CROWFEATHER showing more emotion than squirrelflight, and crowfeather was never even present in her life!

i also hate how leafpool acts with the three. she asked squirrelflight twice to lie to her entire clan and squilf told her no both times. so what does she do? she allows starclan to manipulate her sister into doing what she wants (and yes, she at the very very least had a suspicion that yellowfang lied to squirrelflight abt being barren, but does she ever tell her sister? no!!) leafpool gets pissy when squirrelflight shows genuine care and love for the children she forced her to take. the one scene i remember really clearly is after squirrelflight got injured in the eclipse battle, she asks jaypaw if he’s eaten and leafpool snaps back with “i know how to take care of my apprentice” like a major asshole. there might have also been a scene where she gets mad over squilf calling lionpaw her son, but i honestly think i imagined that bc i can’t find it in the books??? anyway. THEN when squilf is upset over kits she says something like “you still have alderheart and sparkpelt. and IN A WAY jayfeather and lionblaze.” tf do you mean “in a way”???? those are her sons!!!! she raised them!!!!

tbh i really just hate how the whole situation is handled in the books. you really mean to tell me that jayfeather and lionblaze don’t give a single shit that the cats who raised them are trapped in the dark forest? or that hollyleaf suddenly has a mother-daughter relationship with leafpool and doesn’t care about squilf anymore? i get that there are complicated feelings but the authors so obviously favor leafpool and it breaks my little squirrelflight-loving heart. like “oops she didn’t actually give birth to them so it’s time to forget about the familial bond they shared to make their birth mother happy.” maybe an unpopular opinion, but it should’ve been squirrelflight that got to have the final scene with hollyleaf, not leafpool.

in conclusion: moonkitti was fucking right. warrior cats DOES hate adoption lmao

btw i’m not super interested in debating this (i already know my opinions suck lol) but feel free to comment or add on anyway if you want

#it's time for my monthly rant about squirrelflight and the three!#ik i talk about this a lot but it just makes me so sad #poor squirrelflight #squirrelflight #lionblaze #hollyleaf #jayfeather #leafpool #warrior cats #warriorcats

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end-this-gay-disaster · 3 years

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I’ve decided to list some warrior cat characters I would sell my soul to punt like a goddamn football💕💖

Appledusk- This mf got off easy in my opinion. Like lay it on him Maple baby, he deserves it😩

Rainflower- This was one narcissistic bitch lemme tell you. Imagine disowning your son because he broke his jaw while YOU weren’t watching him and telling his brother multiple times that he was better than your disowned son right where said son could easily hear you. She asked her leader to rename her disowned child after his disability. She kicked him out of the nest and left him in the nursery alone. She got what was coming to her lmao. Shitty moms get vibe checked on rocks. ANYWAYS. Stan Echomist and Shellheart for ditching her ass🥰

Clear Sky- I’m to lazy to type out all the reasons I dislike him a lot so just read the dawn of the clans arc and you can pick up on it pretty quick.

Hawkfrost- Interesting character I’ll give him that. However, his conduct with Ivypool was not it. And he tried killing Firestar. I’m super gay for his sister though so he goes lower on this list.

Breezepelt- Listen y’all, I know my guy was going through it. I really do. But he assaulted a blind doctor and a pregnant woman. Along with other things.

Onestar- THIS IS SUCH A SHAME CAUSE BEFORE HE BECAME LEADER HE WAS SO SWEET BUT THEN HE GOT INFECTED WITH DUMB BITCH DISEASE SO NOW I HATE HIM. Like he was just a prick. He also caused the whole Darktail fiasco cause he couldn’t keep it in his pants lmao.

Thistleclaw- This mf was a shitty mate to Snowfur, was constantly blaming Bluestar, and somehow managed to groom the clan’s medicine cat when she was young😐he was a sucky dad too wtf and a murderer.

Oakstar- You exiled a mother and her three young kits because their father was the guy who knocked your son in the river. I get that. You could have exiled Mapleshade. That would have been understandable. But the kits? Now that was plain spiteful and you mad wrong for that. He also struck me as a pretentious ‘god-fearing’ kinda guy so either way he was a prick tbh.

ASHFUR- I hate him. Like attempted murder apparently was enough to get him into starclan and even though I haven’t read the new series, he apparently possesses Bramblestar? Yeah no. Although I may be a bit biased since Bramble has always been a fave of mine. You go Hollyleaf! Out here doin God’s work.

Brokenstar- I don’t have time to explain.

Tigerstar- Him neither.

Raggedstar- Nor him.

Foxheart- Her name is a goddamn cat curse. That should tell you enough about her personality. She was also such a fucking pick me like Christ on a stick get a personality.

Dawnpelt- She was the only kit of Tawnypelt’s that was irrelevant throughout the entire series and yet she was always the one with her mouth open. She accused a BLIND DOCTOR, of killing her brother. Like bestie he can’t even see him how is he gonna kill him? He was the only one to jump after him as well. Yeah sorry but if you’re brother is still more relevant to the plot in death than you ever were, I’d pack it up sis cause this ain’t gaining you any more book time.

Sandgorse- Just a genuinely bad dad.

Palebird- She suffered from postpartum depression and I felt so bad for her. However there was just some stuff said and done later in Tallstar’s revenge that really turned me off about her character.

Shrewclaw- This dude was a straight up BULLY. He told Tallstar to go die😐he also caused him to have a long-standing fear of the ground. He also blamed him for his mom’s death btw. I love his brother though so Barkface supremacy💞

Willowshine- I forgot what it was about her that ticked me off cause it’s been a while since I’ve read the books. All I remember is that she did something that made me upset so she’s on here.

MILLIE- After Briarlight’s incident she lowkey forgot she had other children and was constantly fighting Jayfeather over what she thought was best for her even though he’s the DOCTOR. She’s also the reason Blossomfall trained in the dark forest so yeah.

Redwillow- He was so insignificant I almost forgot his name. All I remember is him dying after trying to kill his sister I think? Idk he was fighting this she-cat named Snowbird and got bodied so I thought he deserved to be up here.

Windstar- Yeah I just thought she was rude lol.

Tom- He was a massive bitch to Bumble and Turtletail plus he was the reason Turtletail got hit by that car in the first place. Wasn’t he also abusive?

Needletail- I could never remember who’s side she was on. Like in one chapter she would be chilling with her man and Darktail and Sleekwhisker but then in the next chapter she was telling Violetshine how much she wanted to leave but was scared and how she hated them all and then I thought she was turning against the clans for good but then she died for them sooooo🧍‍♀️just major confusion. She was a really cool character though! I thought she was really interesting and one of the greatest multidimensional characters of the whole series. But was sometimes a jerk to Alderheart so points are docked from that.

Spiderleg- He was a shitty dad who didn’t even pay attention to his kits, and he was rude to Daisy which is unacceptable.

Frecklewish- Let a kit drown. Like an innocent kit.

Ravenwing- Also let a kit drown.

Graywing.- I’m not talking about the original Graywing, he’s baby and I love him. I’m talking about the riverclan medicine cat that let a litter of kits drown because they were windclan😐like they were CHILDREN. Y’all can SWIM. You are a doctor and letting innocent kids die? Not a girlboss moment babe.

Stormtail- Another bad dad and was going after Dappletail even though he already had a mate. Wasn’t Dappletail an apprentice when he was flirting with her as well?

Darktail- I’m super sorry your dad abandoned you before you were born but becoming a totalitarian mass murderer? Just.. no.

Hailstar- Rainflower just walked into his den and asked him to rename her son after his disability and he just.. did it. No questions asked. He renamed a traumatized child CROOKEDKIT because his jaw was broken😐that’s fucked up like cmon. Think of the child’s feelings.

Firestar- This mf had no personality other than ‘I’m gonna be friends with everyone and save the day cause I’m the main character!!’ Yeah. Bland af. He also did a lot of questionable things pertaining Bramblestar so check out my other post on that if you want.

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bonefall · 11 months

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two questions:

1. do you have a masterpost of bb? more specifically, do you have a timeline masterpost? i can't remember if i've read it or not

2. was explaining your sol possession thing to a friend who is also into warriors @alphabetbill. she was curious about the whole possession thing in general, specifically with bramble in whatever arc he gets possessed in (i haven't read it so i haven't read your posts on bb for that yet)

anyway love reading ur posts in general, haven't stopped thinking about them for like a month. rereading warriors and doing my own rewrite now bc man, this got me hella excited

My inability to create a proper masterpost is legendary. ADHD culture is saying, "Today I will do X" and then doing both Y and Z as X never happens.

But I DO have THIS, the Better Bones History Lesson. It's a great overview of everything so far! I plan to eventually compile all the little details of each, but start there.

On Possession

The rule of possession is that it's VERY hard to do if you don't let them into your heart. Any ghost can do it in less than one lesson, but they need to be channeled first. It would be possible, for example, for Mapleshade to possess someone... but not until she got someone to channel her.

Ashfur couldn't have done what he did if he didn't have help, and if he didn't know to strike when Bramblestar was already out of his body. Bramble is currently the only example of an unwilling possession.

(and btw this happens in what I call the Reckoning Era, which is TBC. I give time periods a unique name, like for example, the Campaign Era is the time after MV but before Brokenstar's reign)

Other times that cats have been possessed, all of these willingly;

Jay's Wing, Half Moon, and Lion's Roar to channel their gods to oppose Holly Leaves

Fallenleaf, with Sol, back as Hollyleaf and Holly Leaves.

Firestar and Brokenstar, when they were rebuilding SkyClan

Rootspring when he was imprisoned, Hawkfrost used his body to pummel Darkstripe

Applefur, Ratscar, and Redwillow were probably possessed by Dark Forest cats when they were lording over ShadowClan in OotS, after the death of Russetfur, to make them stronger.

When you're possessed, your extra spirit acts like something sharing your body. You are able to fight against it just as much as it can fight against you. Fallenleaf traps Sol within herself, but still has to be careful to not let it take over.

Meanwhile, if Ratscar and Shredtail were possession-buddies in ShadowClan for that time in OotS, they would be fighting with more synchronicity. Like the strength of Shredtail is amplifying Ratscar's blows and reaction time.

#Better bones au #spirituality overhauls

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birdsong-warriors · 4 years

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YOOO But squirrelflight will be alone bro 😭 her kits leavin' her,, Does Lion and Jay still concider Squirrel as their momma as well as building a closer mother/son relationship with Leaf? (I adore Holly befriending her half brother btw!!) And would Holly still consider Jay and Lion as her brothers (and later on Breeze, after they bond and all)? Ik you probably can't answer all of this and that's fine!! 😂💜 And can I just say thank you so, SO much for the Crowsquirrel content😭😔✊💜

Squirrel won't be straight up abandoned and unforgiven like in canon, I always thought that was absolute crap, lol! Her whole family still very much loves her. Jay and Lion forgive her pretty quickly because they understand that their parents only ever thought of them. If they had been raised with everyone knowing they were Leaf and Hawk's, they would have faced a lot of difficulties growing up. People would mock them for being illegitimate medicine cat kids, for being descendents of Tigerstar, for being half cats, for being the children of Hawkfrost, who is not well recieved in ThunderClan even without accounting for his heritage. As they were, they were raised happily and didn't face any direct persecution. (Cats were uncomfortable over Bramble and Squirrel's relationship, but they never took it out on their kids.)

Hollyleaf, meanwhile, gets to see the other side of it. She gets to see how much Crowfeather still loves her mother, how much he loves her, how much he hates that he didn't really get to see her growing up or be involved in her life. He still loves Nightcloud in this AU, but its an entirely different kind of relationship not fueled by hatred and bitterness like in canon. Night knows she isn't his first choice and is aware of everything. Crowfeather loves her as a close friend, and still loves Breezepelt as his son without bias. But he isn't great at showing that love openly, and can seem more critical than he really is, leading to some bitterness on Breeze's end. But when Hollyleaf comes in, her and Breezepelt bond over how they were both raised without much paternal care, how they always want to be better, to prove themselves not just to their parents, but to themselves.

Generally, I like my AUs to involve more cats legitimately caring about each other and less petty hatred. 🤷‍♂️

#....i dont think this actually answered your ask #ok warning to everyone sending in asks right now im very rambley lol #im just in a big brainstorming mood and wanna blather about everything #sorry bcisbcosbf #asks #violuxx #swifthawk's chance spoilers #sc spoilers

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canon-notcanon-warriorcats · 3 years

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This is just out of curiosity, but why do so many people say Hollyleaf would be a good leader? I just feel like she wouldn’t handle it well personally (and btw I stan for Ivystar and Squirrelstar, I agree that she-cats should be leader) I just don’t get Hollyleaf specifically

because she’s analytical and takes things so seriously and was very much more of the leader of her littermates, brambleclaw even told her she’s the leader of the three siblings

and after spending time in the tunnels she came back very wise and kind-hearted and extremely loyal and a little more flexible

i think thunderclan having a leader that had a background of being so strict to the warrior code but also being very open and having such a conflicting background and past would’ve been very interesting, she wouldn’t want anyone to be hurt by the warrior code but would also want to enforce it and she would tread very carefully with decisions

#Anonymous

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mogaikinscourse · 4 years

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warriors discourse time (tw: animal death, q word, patriarchy, sexism, caps, bad language)

hey anon!! i completely, completely agree with you.

the number of lgbtq+/mogai-coded cats, both she-cats and toms, is mindblowing. there are so many! there is so much potential! and yet those identities are reserved for either villains or for cats who are killed off, as you mentioned.

your mention of Tigerstar makes me think of Scourge, who was always described as having a ‘high-pitched’ voice and having gone through a literal lifetime of bullying & abuse. i do not sympathize with him in any way, but! but. the “high pitched” voice thing has long been theorized among lgbtq+ circles to be a way of stereotyping and othering gay folx. so you’re right about non cishet-coded cats being kind of pushed aside.

when it comes to gender roles, even the names tend to be gendered. and there’s no reason for gendered names in this universe! at all! she-cat/molly names like Daisy, or Hollyleaf (luv her btw), or Leafpool, or Goldenflower, are much more common than tougher sounding + gender neutral ones, ie Bluestar/Sandstorm/Cinderheart/Yellowfang.

meanwhile, toms get names like Firestar, Brambleclaw, Tigerstar/claw, Lionblaze, and on and on. they get names that sound tough or neutral. which speaks to how the Erins actually view the she-cats/mollies in their universe. a she-cat is not as good a fighter, or a hunter, or a clan member, apparently, because they’re not as tough.

i also don’t like how they treat disability. of course living in the wild, it can’t really make much sense for, say, a cat who’s lost their back leg function to still be a warrior. physically they are not able to do fight like an able bodied warrior, but are they useless? No! can they provide insight into what they’re dealing with? yeah! can they be medicine cats? yeah! can they be advisors to their leaders? yeah! can they be mediators? yeah, probably! there is so much disabled cats can do, and yet... look at what happened to Briarlight. Blossomfall was a massive ableist for being mad that Millie was upset about her sister’s disability... and the Erins showed Big Ableism by not having Blossomfall confront & unlearn her own ableism.

and the sexism! omfg, the sexism! oof eek yikes! the names thing is a sexism issue, of course. yet. sexism was the driving force behind Bluestar’s Prophecy! why couldn’t she still go for the deputy position while being pregnant or raising her kits? the gestation period for cats is not that long, so would it really be a massive deal for someone to help her during that time... and then for her to take over as full deputy? i mean????

that and we see the she-cats suffer more, in general, than toms do when they get into half-clan relationships, with one exception being Graystripe. and even in that example, we see his suffering more than we see Silverstream’s. almost as if his pain matters more because he’s a tom. hmm.

i really was bothered that they didn’t let Ivypool be lesbian or aroace. i was bothered that, despite her initial discomfort with the idea of having kits (and even outright repulsion), they had her “get over it” and get a mate. that reminds me uncomfortably of the “oh she just needs some pp” thing that men do when women are in bad moods/upset.

ahhh, there’s also the casual kitty xenophobia! the kittypet blood thing. i can understand why kittypets wouldn’t be allowed in clans that have to be as physically strong, fit, and used to nature as possible to survive outside. but .i don’t get why the clans have to despise kittypets’ very existence. live and let live. i guess that’s too much of a difficult concept for these authors to grasp.

i shall also be pirating or borrowing my warriors books from now on, because i still enjoy the stories overall. but it really is nasty how much minority-coded cats are pushed aside and not allowed to be actual characters.

i don’t think i need to say a single word on the exclusion of nonbinary folx... the erins know animals can be born intersex, right? and if these cats are humanized, fantasy cats... then they can have gender identity, they know that, right???

let’s all just remember that we need to consume our media critically. and, as anon said, no work is ever going to be 100% free of problematic content.

just because someone enjoys a work that has problems... doesn’t mean the person thinks those problems are good things.

but! steer clear of people who like a ton of problematic sources, because that is a sign of their refusal to recognize the problems.

“ashfur just loved too much” -- shut.

#non kin/mogai tag #animal death #sexism #patriarchy

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