#i also don't trust anyone who identifies as 'pro-ship'

[hussyknee]

I'm really not a villain enjoyer. I love anti-heroes and anti-villains. But I can't see fictional evil separate from real evil. As in not that enjoying dark fiction means you condone it, but that all fiction holds up some kind of mirror to the world as it is. Killing innocent people doesn't make you an iconic lesbian girlboss it just makes you part of the mundane and stultifying black rot of the universe.

"But characters struggling with honour and goodness and the egoism of being good are so boring." Cool well some of us actually struggle with that stuff on the daily because being a good person is complicated and harder than being an edgelord.

Sure you can use fiction to explore the darkness of human nature and learn empathy, but the world doesn't actually suffer from a deficit of empathy for powerful and privileged people who do heinous stuff. You could literally kill a thousand babies in broad daylight and they'll find a way to blame your childhood trauma for it as long as you're white, cisgender, abled and attractive, and you'll be their poor little meow meow by the end of the week. Don't act like you're advocating for Quasimodo when you're just making Elon Musk hot, smart and gay.

#this is one of the reasons why #although i would kill antis in real life if i could #i also don't trust anyone who identifies as 'pro-ship' #it's just an excuse to shut down legitimate ethical questions and engaging in honest self-reflective media consumption and critique #art doesn't exist in a vacuum #it's a flat impossibility for it not to inform nor be informed by real world politics and attitudes #because that's what it means to be created by human hands #we can't even make machine learning thats not just human bias fed into an algorithm #if the way we interact with art truly didn't influence anything then there would be no value in it #just because antis have weaponized those points in the most bad faith ways possible #doesn't mean you can ignore them in good faith #anyway fandom stans villains because society loves to defend and protect abusers #it's not because you get the chance to be free and empathetic and indulge in your darkness and what not #it's just people's normal levels of attachment to shitty people with an added layer of justification for it #this blog is for boring do-gooder enjoyers only #lol #knee of huss #fandom wank #media critique #pop culture #fandom discourse

[ironic-the-hedgehog]

aren't you a proshipper.

??????? idk where this is coming from but... no?? short answer is no.

long answer is:

i USED TO call myself a pro-shipper back before I understood the nuance behind the term. Like I've said before, I used to hang out in circles with people that I now know were (and still are) questionable at best and flat-out abusers at worst. They pushed the concept of "fiction doesn't affect reality" and made me believe that. (Before anyone tries to argue that point: fiction DOES affect real life, the most well known example of this is how Jaws changed public perception of sharks. I don't have the mana points to dig up more right now)

Basically my stance on the whole ship debate is this: There's certain things that I don't like or condone. Realistically, I can't make people NOT make that kind of content. People are gonna do what they want. I'm just some jabroni on the internet and I have no power over them. So I just don't wanna fucking see it.

I also, truthfully, don't condone mass harassment and doxxing and stuff of people who make that kind of content. Callout posts are usually useless. If there's someone you truly believe is harmful, warn your friends, but don't brigade them. That typically causes people to dig their heels in and double down on their behavior. Leave them alone, block and move on, and if they're lucky they'll figure out on their own that what they're doing is nasty, and they'll change their ways.

Typically I honestly don't trust anyone who heavily identifies with either side of the debate. That's just how I feel, though. Yall are free to make your own opinions.

#ironic.txt #sorry for inconsistent typing style we switched partway through #🦔

[firespirited]

Tumblr's culture on blocking is a little weird to me still. Blocking is a forever ban on interaction so I don't use it for just anyone.

There are a few posters on this website that are kinda aggro and tend to annoy me, they just get the content mute warning so I can see it if it's a post a mutual agreed with. Because yeah some people have good original idea posts but also reply to everyone like a once beaten cornered dog. Trauma makes us all defensive.

There are a bunch of kinks like forcefem or aesthetics like nymphette or thinspo that are a little squicky: that's content mute not block. You never know, they might also like dolls and film reviews.

So the actual blocklist is half rednames, half people who use the doll tag for ddlg cnc/hypno because that crosses beyond personal squick and into what's currently known as consensual non consent but isn't being practiced with the careful scripting and boundaries of BDSM (let alone any concern about tagging it so us non consenters to cnc can mute it).

A final 1% of right wingers who hate anyone not like them - you really wonder what they're doing on tumblr aside from getting angry at everything they see!

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I used to have a fairly strict policy about blocking antisemitism but had to drop that last November in favour of content muting all Palestinian genocide content. (aswell as moving any actions offline and getting news from objective news sites - sadly the guardian is still fencesitting).

After getting into an argument about antisemitism a few years ago, I kept a grudge... With myself. And have spent the time since educating myself on the subtler forms and regional variations. As you can guess, it's been a trip since October, really tough seeing nasty habits form in people I respected. Some of them don't know how to be normal about muslims either so that's going to be interesting if they ever do venture into a real life protest.

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Anti-pro-ship stuff gets content muted because it seems like a lot of intense drama. My belief for art is Lolita can't be banned for tweens, i'd only read a small amount (while bored at someone's house visiting with my parents), and while it was horrifying, it helped me identify that I was in danger from an adult later. My parents had given me the full biology lessons and never broached consent beyond 'people can't touch or see your privates unless you say yes' and not adults you trust getting a little too affectionate.

I don't mind pros, antis or anti-antis engaging with my blog so no reason to block. Unless they do callouts based on really tenuous guilt by association that's just gossip mongering and bullying tbh.

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So I think I'm blocked by at least 3 dollblr folks and part of me wonders if I've accidentally said something racist or otherwise bigoted or maybe thoughtless. Maybe they just don't like my dollblr posts, they aren't exactly polished and used to mix doll stuff with tv and personal stuff. Wish blocks came with a reason.

You folks would let me know if I've messed up right?

#saf #tumblr culture #Blocking culture

[anti-radqueer-zone]

Hlep i just saw the recent post, soo,,, yeah I'm PLURqueer which basically is a radqueer sub-label if you want heres the link : https://archive.is/bKTi9

I understand if you dont trust the link

So mine is pro-para with no contact for harmful paras who cannot be consented like maps n stuff.

Pro-consent for stuff like knifeplay if the people who are doing it are mature enough (or basically an adult who is knowledgeable and knows how to do it)

Pro-transid on things like transscent n transbody stuff and completely neu on transids like transabled trace Transharmful etc and i do not support transition to them. Though im pro-transage if the person acknowledges their chrono age.

N i dont really care about comship or antiship, i personally dont do any ships in general except for selfshipping (f/o x persona)

Ans in general i dont really care for system origins, if someones endo or wtvr. Me harassing them aint gonna stop anyone and not like they 'steal sources' (if they even exist cuz in my country they fucking dont) when they cant even fucking get diagnosed.

Im pro mspec lesbians and gays, even though it's just not my thing in general i cant stop them, thats just who they are and i accept it.

So yeah. Though i am aware the fact fiction can effect reality so i dont think kids should like go into places where they can be actually affected and harmed even if theyre online communities.

Idk if you agree with me or not. I just do not care, i dont think harassment will help.

I rarely ever interact with anti-rqs i believe youre like the third one i interacted with, and even with two before we just kinda got along so idk...

I'm FINALLY getting around to answer this, I am so sorry to the person who posted this for taking so long! So I really do understand the logic behind most of this and do agree with most of it such as being pro-para, "pro-consent" (I'd really just call it pro-kink from how you described it) and pro m-spec. I think my main problem with transID's that aren't things like transabled, harmed, race etc is that they still use the translabel and this still use trans people as a shield for their own community. I also just don't think there needs to be labels for that stuff, a lot of it is just stuff you want to have such as personality traits or freckles so I think the labels are unnecissary but I don't really care about them being labels if they used a different way to ID, associating something that I would say it quite different with another community that is not meant for that thing and has actually been oppressed and made fun of with the concept of "Oh I'll just identify as transjob" and such is still harmful.

There's more I could say about this anonymous ask but I feel like I've already stated it 100 times on this blog.

#anti radqueer #anti transid #anti transabled #antiradqueer #anti radpara #anti contact #anti trace #anti transx #anti transautistic #transid #radqueer

[herr-aka-somecutenerd]

Oh hey saw your post on pro-shipping.

Just want to say that I know there are people out there that ship regular ships but still identify as being "pro-ship". And there ARE pro-shippers that acknowledge that there is an affect on reality but "not at a 1 to 1 ratio". /nbr

So like before you start judging all of them as being people who ship p*do stuff and everything, actually check their accounts n stuff, see what they write about. K? /nbr

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I'm not even apart of that group but I find it really mean that everyone goes straight to "oh they all like this terrible shit". I went straight to the source to look it up for myself, trust me, most of them are just people who are like "I give a f*ck what you ship", that's the entire jist of it. Like they ship normal stuff but don't care what others do, it's like just being neutral in a big argument. /nbr

And before anyone yells at me, YES there are pro-shippers who even instigate more hate, making the problem even worse, but I believe that's mostly because they've dealt with so much hate that they're at the point of literally trolling people for payback. I mean have you seen the hastags? "#proshippers should die" exists. There are people online who do these entire harassment crusades on Twitter, Tumblr, and other platforms. And believe me both sides of this can be extremely toxic, the amount of "pro-shippers" and "antis" who have experienced or got death threats is astounding. Even people who have refused to pick a side, staying neutral have been harassed. /nbr

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Some pro-shippers are even super uncomfortable with the whole toxic/inc*st/p*do ships that people accuse them of liking. A lot of these people are also children who are being outright targeted by s*ic*de baiters and other which by the way ISN'T OK THEY'RE LITERALLY KIDS. Some of which are using pro-ship as like their so-called "personal therapy" for things that have happened to them, which I'm not sure actually helps but those people claim it does. /nbr

And of course there are also full-grown adults writing content that is pro-ship that are like advocating for that kind of content, and in a way I believe that's where most of the content that people know as being the stereotypical pro-shipper stuff comes from. There are people who don't even identify as pro-ship that write things related to "dead dove" content (if you don't know what that is don't worry about and DONT look it up, seriously it can be some seriously messed up stuff) who don't get the same response as pro-shipping does.

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I'm not even defending anyone here because like the people who ship the toxic/inc*st/p*do shit, and even the negative stigma seriously triggers me due to the research I've done on the subject. People on both sides are like super negative and it's really just not something to get mixed up into because no matter what side you're on you're going to get some hate for it.

I'm going to send this in under anon bc someone I look up to was hostile about this subject and I aint about to be put on some hate list for going against the "popular" opinion. Sorry if I sounded super hostile/negative or something. I've asked this same question before and received the same negative responses, but I still scrolled around to see what pro-shippers are bc I didn't want to trust the first source I came to because there are different sides to this.

Thank you for a little explanation, nonnie.

I'm against any kind of open hate towards people who don't do anything illegal or physically harmful to other people and just peacefully enjoy their stuff.

I'm not a big shipper myself and many ships make me uncomfortable, but that just means people should avoid these topics when talking to me.

So, no hate.

#herr replies #tw proship