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tredawakandan · 8 months
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My top 10 fights of The Dragon Ball anime franchise (official timeline at least)
1- Goku vs Tien was a great fight. Loved the high difficulty of the fight and how Goku just barely lost. Their 2nd fight was great in the sense it showed how much Goku has improved. Also showed Tien use to be a threat 😅
2- Use to rewatch Goku vs Piccolo all the time.. Definitely was a great end of series fight and fulfilling with that last blow.
3- Goku vs Vegeta is a classic. I feel both fights are good with a lot of folks forgetting the 2nd fight was great as well
4- Goku vs the Ginyu force was a dope showing of power . The way dude just effortlessly destroyed them made it so good
5- Piccolo vs 17. Definitely is a underrated fight. Them Boyz was going blow for blow and really was piccolo last good fight before Super..
6- Goku vs Cell is probably my favorite fight. It's wild how forgotten it is.. The anime did the fight extreme justice
7- Buu vs Vegeta and Goku was the fight of an era. A dope ending to the series+ that Vegeta speech 💯
8-Goku vs Beerus anime fight is downplayed crazy. I loved all the new attacks they showed Beerus using . Also we got that universe spanning punch 👊
9- Goku vs hit is probably the best 1v1 in Super. Goku surpassing his limits + time with the OST playing in the background was crazy good
10- Universe 7 vs Jiren was great. Vegeta , Frieza , 17 all had dope parts to play and not to mention Ultra Instinct.. I don't hate Jiren regardless of what y'all feel about his backstory 😅
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duhragonball · 4 months
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What’s your overall opinion on Jiren as a character and an antagonist?
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I think a lot of Jiren critics miss the point with the guy. In particular, Team Four Star keeps trying to reduce Jiren to some cutting soundbyte. He's boring, he's like U11's Superman, he's an inversion of Goku, etc. You're never going to appreciate a character unless you're willing to meet the concept halfway.
In brief, he's the Man to Beat in the Tournament of Power. Unlike the other 69 opponents in the event, who resent Goku for getting them into this mess, Jiren finds Goku to be a nuisance, unworthy of his time or effort. Jiren can sweep the entire field by himself, and he knows it, but he's so bitter and depressed that he takes no satisfaction from any of it. This is just another job for him, one more chore in a long list of tasks that only he can do.
Jiren's sick of it. He suffered all this tragedy in his past, and now he's achieved seemingly ultimate strength, and it feels pointless to him. He wants to protect his universe and uphold justice. I think he's got that much in common with the Pride Troopers at least. But there's no joy in it for him. His victories are meaningless and hollow to him. Defeat is virtually impossible. Fighting the Tournament of Power is no better or worse for him than sitting alone in his room, staring at the wall.
I think that's what frustrates a lot of fans, because they want Jiren to be this exciting and charismatic figure, a cartoonish supervillain like Vegeta, or Frieza, or Cell, or a bizarre monster like Broly, or Buu, or Janemba. But Jiren flips the script by not giving a shit about Goku. He's not mad at Goku for causing the Tournament of Power to happen, he's not excited to fight Goku, he's not charmed by Goku's enthusiasm. He just wants to dominate the Tournament and leave. Not that Jiren has anything better to do with his time. He just wants to get it over with.
I think that's what makes the Vegeta vs. Jiren segments of the tournament so fun to watch. Look, I'm a big fan of Vegeta, but nobody thought he was going to be the one to take Jiren down. Vegeta's job was to try anyway, and get beat down to show just how tough things would be for Goku. And yet, we kept seeing Vegeta diving headlong into the fray anyway. He'd fight Jiren solo, he'd double-team him with Goku, he'd watch Goku fight Jiren and look for openings. Vegeta kept coming back for more, taking any action he could get, often with a big smile on his face.
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Why is it so satisfying when Vegeta manages to get those small little victories against Jiren? He never came close to winning, but he still managed to find openings in his defenses, and he kept coming back for more, and in the end, he gained Jiren's respect. Why does this matter? Because Vegeta's loaded with passion, passion that Jiren lacks. He does take satisfaction from winning, and he does care deeply about the stakes, and even if this battle were just for funsies, he'd still give it his all because he enjoys combat for its own sake. That's what makes him so tenacious, even when he doesn't stand a chance.
And that's what stymies Jiren, because on several occasions he wonders why his opponents refuse to just roll over and accept defeat. That's what he'd do in their shoes, after all, because for him victory and defeat have lost all meaning. There's similar moments with 17, Frieza, and Goku, but I think the moments with Vegeta are especially prominent, just because Vegeta is so laser-focused on defeating Jiren personally, as opposed to merely winning the tournament or running down the clock.
Ultimately, what turns Jiren around is when Goku and the others manage to win him over with their fighting spirit. Once Goku surpasses him with Ultra Instinct and he starts to despair, his teammates cheer him on, and he forges ahead. He loses the battle and Goku praises him for his performance, and he finally understands what it is that drives the others. Then he confides in Toppo that he has no friends and Toppo's like "We're your friends, dummy." So Jiren still has a long way to go, but at least he's beginning to climb out of his rut.
And that's what makes the character interesting. For his opponents, he's this wall they have to break through, but for him, it's about rediscovering something through the course of the battle.
Is he a good villain? No, but he's not supposed to be a villain at all. He's an antagonist in a story without a bad guy. He's an opponent who lacks the passion that the main cast have, and that's a weak point he discovers as the story wears on. It's a very cool thing we see. I don't know how that will work for future Jiren stories, but that's a problem for another day, I guess.
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sweetescapeartist · 9 months
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i like your human transformations ideas like krillins non-self state and yamcha’s wolf fang force and to be honest if yamcha was invited on the tournament of power team and he and krillin had those transformations at hand i would’ve loved to see yamcha krillin and goku all using a kamehameha in unison to get jiren of the ring like the father-son kamehameha from the cell saga but it’s called the turtle school kamehameha. maybe after they win master roshi looks at them it flashes back to their dragon ball selves and he proudly thinks on how far they’ve come from those kids to the hero’s of the multiverse
That would've been awesome to see Yamcha using Wolf Fang Full Force, Krillin using Non-Self State, & Goku (using UI or tired and in his base form) teaming up against Jiren!
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There is only one quetion I would have... Would Yamcha replace Freeza? That could work if the story is written well because the Tournament of Power emphasized teamwork. And 3 students who trained in the same martial arts style would be in sync pretty darn well. I think that would be super cool to see. But the story leading up to that would need to show off Yamcha's skill a bit more. Maybe a sparring match of Yamcha vs Goku vs Krillin as Master Roshi watches? Then we get the Tournament of Power ending that you thought up with the 3 Kame students.
And thanks! Glad you like my ideas for human transformations (physical & spiritual transformations).
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losercee · 6 months
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the tournament of power but if jiren appeared in goku's podcast station and forced him to debate about the powers of strength vs friendship (jiren loses)
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belades · 12 days
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"Man, I don't get why everybody complains about the pacing of the tournament arc in Dragonball Super, most of the fights have been over in one to two episodes, there's simply a lot of them."
>Final Goku Vs. Jiren fight starts >There's ten fucking episodes left
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quantumleper · 15 days
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Goku vs Jiren | Dragon Ball Super | Universal Survival Saga
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gojixyz69 · 4 months
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BOWSER VS FRIEZA (Super Mario Bros VS Dragon Ball) Fan Made Death Battle
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Now I know, before you say anything let me explain. First of all to me this is a decent matchup but I'll admit both have better opponents, Bowser obviosly has Dr.Eggman whitch is my most wanted matchup, while Frieza has Pyron(Darkstalkers) and Unicron Trilogy Megatron. As for why I'm doing this? Well it's because I really like both characters and this marchup is one of those where more it meets the eye, basiclly means both a lot more in common and it's also debatable, so let's do this.
Connections:
-Both are tyrannical rulers
-There egotistical and evil
-Both hate there arch rival how's a optimistic hero how wears blue as a secondery colour (Goku and Mario respecticaly)
-They want to conquere (Frieza wants to conquere the universe/ and Bowser wants to conquere the mushroom kingdom)
-Both have multiple forms with one giving them a black colouration (Frieza has his seprest, forms and golden, while Bowser has his giant forms, Meowser, Dreamy Bowser and finally theres Fury Bowser and Black Frieza)
Now that we got the connections out of the way, let's talk about how would win by going each category.
Strenght: Frieza
Now yea Bowser is pretty strong, but Frieza matches or even surpasses Goku's strenght how in the beggining shucked the entire universe whitch in cludes the afterlife and the kaioshin realm, and the Dragon Ball universe is over 1.505 bigger than our universe
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And that's from the begging Goku got leags stronger and with Frieza matching that kind of strenght and surpassing it, yeah sorry but Frieza takes it.
Speed: Frieza
Yeah it's not even close Frieza is easily faster due to being MFTL+.
Durability: Frieza
Even though Bowser survived to the point he can still fight as a skeleton and survived a supernova Frieza's more durable due to surviving the hakai and being cut in half and also taiking a planet exploding.
Intelligence: Frieza
Yeah I don't even have to explain why Frieza is smarter.
Experince: Bowser
Even though Frieza is older he didn't fight until Namek and after his revival and T.O.P. and after that whitch even thoguh it was impressive, but Bowser fought longer and had multiple adventures foghting the Mario Bros and other villains like Fawful.
Abilities and Hax: Bowser
Even though Frieza's attacks are powerful, deadly and some of them are useful like telephaty and ki barriers, Bowser a lot more and there also pretty useful, for example he can teleport, transmutation, etc.
Weapons: Bowser
Bowser has a lot of gadgets and weapons, like his shell, the koopa clown car, etc.
Now we reached the final category Power:
Now let's go over there most powerful forms Dreamy Bowser and Black Frieza.
Now at first glance it seems like Dreamy Bowser wins because he can wish for anything, but he only used his wish powers to summon enemies and heal him self and more importantly his level of power, you see while you can make the case Dreamy Bowser is multiversal due to absorbing the dream stone.
However Frieza fought characters how are multiversal and surpassed them, being Goku and Vegeta how he one shoted and offcorse Jiren how was able to shacke the world of void whitch is space of infinite nothingless, because of those reasons Frieza takes it.
With all that sead the winner is Frieza. Now this fight could go eather way and it was somewhat of a close match, but in the end with Frieza's superior strenght, speed, durability, power and being smarter ultimatle gave him the win.
Trivia:
The fight would be 2D with hand drawn seagments, while 3D could work, 2D is better.
The track would a rock track referencing there themes and would have lyrics talking about there power and that no one should mess with them, and the track would be called Emperors Fury (referencing Frieza's title as EMPEROR and Bowser form called FURY Bowser)
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gloriousmiraclekitten · 7 months
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Goku vs Jiren
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fabuloustrash05 · 2 years
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Just saw Dragon Ball Super: Superhero movie!
Here are my thoughts!
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Warning: SPOILERS
Android 21 is officially canon!!!
Magenta fucking bullshitting the whole idea of Bulma having an evil organization and plotting an alien invasion is hilarious 😂
The throwback/reanimated scene of future Trunks vs Freiza and King Cold! The nostalgia!
CELL!!!!
Piccolo training Pan!! 🥰
PICCOLO HAS A HOUSE!!! FINALLY!! TFS IS GONNA LOVE THIS!
Anyone noticed that Piccolo’s chair he sat in is very similar to King Piccolo’s throne in Dragon Ball?
I love how Piccolo holds his phone, also LOL Piccolo has a phone!!
Piccolo being another grandpa for Pan is so sweet
Piccolo calling out Gohan for neglecting his daughter. I guess the Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree because Goku’s parenting is starting to rub off on his own son
I like how the red ribbon army tries to paint off Goku, Vegeta, and Buu as the villains to convince Dr Hedo to build them androids brought a chuckle out of me
Loved the fight between Piccolo and Gamma 2
Piccolo pointing out Gamma 2’s background affects popping up behind him!! 🤣🤣
Smart idea of Bulma constantly gathering the Dragon Balls to prevent anyone from using them for evil deeds
But also very pity that Bulma is basically using the Dragon Balls for cosmetic surgery. It was a good call back to the Broly movie when Bulma wanted to use the Dragon Balls to make herself look 5 years younger. Is it because her saiyan husband ages slower than her? 
Piccolo and Dende!! I love that Dende and others refer to Piccolo as “Kami”
Piccolo’s new powers and forms!! So badass!!
BROLY!!!! 😍😍
So Broly and his friends are now living on Beerus’ world to hide from Frieza. Smart choice! I hope they are safe!
Goku, Vegeta, and Broly training on Beerus’ world!! The last 3 Saiyans!! I LOVE IT!
Vegeta meditating! I love that he’s trying to focus more on his mental strength than his physical strength, he learned a lot from observing Jiren during the tournament of power. He’s definitely have come a long way in his training and even his character growth
BEERUS X CHEELAI????!!?!
Lima becoming Beerus’ personal chef is so cute.
GOKU VS VEGETA TRAINING TIME!! LETS GOOOOOO!!!!
Honestly I like how this is the reason for why Goku and Vegeta are not in this movie or the fights. I’m glad they didn’t show up into the fight because if they did I’m pretty sure the fight would’ve been over sooner. This is a Piccolo and Gohan movie, as much as I love them, we don’t need Goku and Vegeta.
Can I just say how much I absolutely love Gamma 1 and 2? I love G2’s upbeat want to be superhero persona and I love how G1 completes him by being more serious.
Piccolo “kidnapping” Pan for the Red Ribbon Army so he can get Gohan back into his training and encourage him into his old ways as a fighter. I also love how Pan was playing along and having fun with it.
I absolutely love Piccolo and Pan’s dynamic. It’s so sweet and adorable.
DADDY GOHAN READY TO KICK SOME ASS AND SAVE HIS DAUGHTER!!
I love the fight between Gohan and Gamma 1! Very well done!
Gohan basically being blind without his glasses when he’s not a Super Saiyan was a funny running gag.
Piccolo trying to reason with Gamma 2, He knows that they’re lost and are trying to show them who they are truly working for
ORANGE PICCOLO!!! 😂 Why not Super Namekian?
Bulma bringing in Trunks, Goten, 18, and Krillin into the fight!
Bulma: I brought all our strongest warriors! Oh, and Krillin too
Me: EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!
Krillin actually having to remind Piccolo that he can grow huge and Piccolo being like “oh yeah I forgot I can do that“ 🤣
CELL MAX!!!
18 was definitely getting some ptsd when she saw Cell Max
Gamma 2’s sacrifice 😭
Goten forgetting how to do the fusion dance! 😂
Did they seriously just tease us of getting teen Gotanks?? We did get him but as his chubby self. At least it was still useful in battle 👍
GOHAN!!!! HIS NEW SAIYAN FORM!!! BADASS GOHAN IS BACK BABY!!!
PAN CAN FLY!!! 🥹💞
I love that we got to see Piccolo and Gohan’s father-son dynamic again
Very kind of Bulma to offer Dr Hedo and Gamma 1 a job at Capsule Corp, maybe we’ll see them again in future Dragon Ball projects
The after credit scene was definitely a surprise I didn’t expect but I really enjoyed it!
Goku and Vegeta have been fighting the entire freaking movie and are exhausted but are still going!
Broly and Lima in awe over Goku and Vegeta‘s battle 😂
VEGETA FINALLY BEAT GOKU IN A FIGHT! THE PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS DESERVES THIS WIN!!! 👑❤️
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techmonkey11 · 10 months
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#guku #DraganBall #jiran #finalbattle
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duhragonball · 1 year
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Dragon Ball Super 116
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GOKU VS. KEFLA: THE FINAL ROUND
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This is it!  The climactic conclusion of the best fight in Dragon Ball Super!  There must be a winner!
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Against all odds, Goku has somehow tapped into Autonomous Ultra Instinct for a second time!  Whis never dreamed he would figure it out ever again, much less a few minutes after the first time!  So Kefla’s doomed, right?   Well don’t write her off yet.  Kefla’s still got a lot left in the tank.  For example, she decides to see Goku’s Ultra Instinct and raise him Super Saiyan 2!  Well, that might not sound like a big deal, but when a Fused Saiyan does it, it means a lot.
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And there’s the abs.  When I got to these episodes, I was kind of shocked by how skinny Kefla was in her base form, and then she went Super Saiyan and bulked up, but not as much as I remembered.  Now at SSJ2, she’s starting to look more like I remembered.  The key to this is that she’s combining Caulifla’s SSJ and SSJ2 forms with Kale’s Legendary Super Saiyan form, which gets more muscular the stronger she becomes.  So I guess they had to start with a pretty skinny Kefla, because they couldn’t have her beef up as big as Kale, or that would defeat the idea of it being a fusion with a smaller character. 
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Oh this is a really cool shot of the arena. 
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So it’s pretty much like we saw the last time Goku used this power.  Jiren couldn’t touch him, and neither can Kefla now.  And it’s not for lack of trying.  As strong as Kefla is, I think there’s a solid argument that she could give Jiren a run for his money. 
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Okay, I think her hair tie is gone now, the same way Kale always loses hers when she transforms.  Kefla’s hair has always confused me so just knowing that there’s been a hair tie involved is a relief.  
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Meanwhile, Vegeta watches Goku playing the artful dodger and he finally gets a clue: this was the ideal style that Whis told them about in Resurrection F.  Vegeta’s all mad that Goku went and surpassed him again.  Sure, Vegeta, he did it just to spite you, because that’s what everything is about, after all.
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Here’s a cool spot where Kefla flies after Goku who falls off the side of a cliff, and then he digs his heels into the rock and leans back so Kefla can’t hit him.  Wild.
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Or, rather, he does this so he can hit her.  But that’s the trick, you see....
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As powerful as Goku has become in this state, he’s mostly only able to use it for defense.  Kefla can’t even touch Goku, but on the other hand, Goku’s attacks aren’t nearly as strong as Kefla was expecting.  He makes a little headway with it, but he’s still not hitting her hard enough to defeat her.  And maybe he could take his time with this and wear her down, but he doesn’t have that long.  The UI power could wear off any second now. 
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As Whis explains to the others, even those who can use Ultra Instinct have trouble using it offensively.  Goku’s problem is that he’s still having to use his brain to tell his body how to attack, and that interferes with his body acting autonomously for defense.  That’s why his attacks are so weak.  And if he doesn’t figure out a solution soon, he’ll run out of juice and Kefla will win.
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So Goku calls his shot: He’s going to end this fight with one more attack.
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Kefla doesn’t take kindly to this, and ramps up her power even further.  Now she’s shooting concentrated ki blasts in every direction, and they rip up everything they touch. 
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She just starts slinging all this red shit everywhere, and Goku hops and flips through it as he moves in closer to her...
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And the whole time, he’s chargin’ up...
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Kefla’s just screaming and cackling like a maniac.  I really have to hand it to the dub VA’s for this, Elizabeth Maxwell (Caulifla) and Dawn Bennet (Kale).  DBS was the first time I ever watched a Dragon Ball series in Japanese first, and I was curious how the dub would handle the new characters, and I’m really pleased with Kefla’s manic energy.  They nailed it. 
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She keeps firing red lasers, but Goku’s getting closer and closer...  Finally he jumps toward her, ready to fire...
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Ah, but that plays right into her hands!  Remember, no flying in the Tournament of Power, so now that Goku’s jumping at her, he can’t steer or dodge!  So now she can concentrate all that power she was slinging around every direction, and aim it right at him!
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THE POWER OF...!
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CHRISTMAAAAAASSSSS!
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But then Goku just does this sweet midair flip and skates along the front of her blast, using his ki ball like a weird little skateboard!
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HOW THE FUCK IS HE DOING THIS?! 
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KALE LOOKS UP AND SHE’S LIKE “AWWWWW SHIT!”
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HAPPY...!
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HANUKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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Kefla gets blasted through the stage!  Then her Potara shatter, and coincidentally...
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... the Fusion dissolves, and so it’s Caulifla and Kale who tumble to the bench!
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They’re OUT. 
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Kale apologizes for losing, while Caulifla cries out for revenge.  Yes!  Fight Goku again!  Give us Kefla/Goku II!  Make it happen!
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So now Team Universe 6 is down to just two fighters: Saonel and Pilina. They vow to win, but come on.  What chance could they have?
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Meanwhile, that last round with Kefla finally got Jiren’s attention.  At least he’s not meditating like he planned to do for the second half.
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As for Goku, he’s tapped out all over again.  I guess it’s a net positive, since at least this time around he won a fight with Ultra Instinct instead of eating a super punch from Jiren.  But still, if he plans to defeat Jiren, he’ll have to do Ultra Instinct a third time, and can he even handle that?  Well, those are matters for later episodes.  As for this one, what else can I say but:
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This was a brilliant finish to a classic fight.  A lot of dumbasses out there were only happy to see Caulifla and Kale eliminated from the competition because they hated those two.  But discerning Caulifla and Kale likers, such as myself, know the truth, that Episodes 113-116 were a bona fide barn-burner, and the best of what Dragon Ball Super had to offer.  Show me a fight in GT that came anywhere close to this.  No, don’t bother, because I already watched GT recently, and I have 65 haikus that say there isn’t one. 
I’ll admit, there have been times where I thought this liveblog was a mistake, because most of the stuff I’ve been covering has been pretty weak.  A lot of it is downright terrible.  But I knew the Tournament of Power would cheer me up, and that these four episodes in particular would really cheer me up, and I was right.  It’s like all the frustration and regret from before has metled away.  There’s 15 episodes of Super left to go, and I’m refreshed and ready to tackle ‘em!
Well, later, I think. 
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