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#either ways they're one of the best character dynamic development in the franchise despite everything
canaryscotch · 10 months
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:You really don't like me, do you?
;I don't like your attitude!..
aka where it turns out they actually need each other
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dilfdoctordoom · 9 months
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The write up you did about mcu Gamora was applause worthy and I'm thankful you took the time to do it. It's hard to put my feelings into words and I think reading what you wrote was the first time I realized I'm not just disappointed. I'm hurt. I won't speak for other people but as someone who identifies with Gamora's background it was painful to watch her death shoved aside and no effort made to develop 2014 Gamora. Like you said Gamora was a driving force behind the team and the movie was written like she had less significance than a background character.
The worst part for me is how everything felt like a punishment rather than choices meant to heal the wounds inflicted by Infinity War. Instead of having everyone show her more love after what happened there's hardly any love at all from most of the characters. She doesn't get to proudly stand as Guardian either and is turned into a ravager when ravagers don't seem to be held in a particularly high regard by Gunn based on past comemts he's made and the limited focus they have had in the movies. It's like Gunn saw her as less worthy because of what was done to her and it continues to nag at me.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I have so, so many feelings on how she's been handled and I barely scratched the surface with that post.
Gamora's one of the characters at Marvel that I identify with the most and I think she was truly wonderful representation for abused women. She escapes from that, she got a family that loved her, she was always to exist outside of it-- for two whole movies, she was this wonderful, dynamic character that we got to see heal and grow from her past.
Seeing how volume 3 treated her is brutal. You're completely right about the Ravagers; they're positioned as "less than" & characters like Kraglin & Yondu are "elevated" to Guardian status... so it feels like a downgrade to put Gamora with them, which feels like such a deranged choice considering what happened to her.
I know a lot of people praised volume 3 for being "feminist" for not having Peter and Gamora get back together... but that doesn't really hit when the movie acts like, because they aren't together, she isn't worthy of her family anymore. With every other movie, Gamora was a fully formed character outside of Peter Quill; in volume 3, her whole purpose is to serve his narrative.
It's exhausting. I adore Rocket, but the second Gunn decided to set the movie after Endgame, it needed to be Gamora's story. I think it could've functioned well for Rocket had we stuck it in the almost five year period between volume 2 and Infinity War (I'd argue it would work better, as the ramifications of Endgame don't seem to be felt by Rocket, despite him losing his family for five years).
Gamora got fridged. There's no way around that. But you know what? Barbara Gordon was fridged to-- so a later writer took her and retooled her into a feminist icon, one of DC's best characters.
Gamora doesn't get that chance. She's realistically never going to get that chance; I know Zoe Saldana said she'd return as Gamora if she was asked, but... I don't think she will be.
The last appearance of Gamora is going to be in What If...? and that stings. That show has already had a shaky handle on her, from cutting out her episode, to removing her from any cosmic stories. She's not involved or even mentioned in an episode that heavily involves Nebula & Thanos. She doesn't get to cameo alongside the rest of the Guardians in the Party Thor episode. She's wholly absent, cut out of everything, and it's exhausting.
She was one of the first leading women of this franchise, and the first leading woman of color. Both Gamora and her fans deserve a hell of a lot better than what Marvel has given us.
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