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malewifefirestar · 1 year
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“There is no wrong way to consume media”
Yes there is and it’s what ever matpat has been doing
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karetypee · 7 months
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Wakey wakey time :D
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greencheekconure27 · 3 months
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You know maybe the horseshoe theory would've been abandoned long ago if certain self-proclaimed "leftists"* weren't so hell-bent to prove it right every five seconds.
(* they're about as much "leftists" as terfs are "feminists")
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aduckwithears · 8 months
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@mizgnomer shared this hi res image, and once I recovered from passing out I realized three things.
Crowley's waistcoat is a beautiful brocade of vines and leaves. We don't know for sure when his plant hobby started, (only that he start "talking" to them after he learned about it in the early 1970s) but now I'm envisioning his Regency/Victorian greenhouse full of exotic plant life and that sounds just glorious. Plant collecting was a popular hobby amongst gentlemen at the time and it isn't too much of a stretch to think that he may have the same plants for 100s of years (they wouldn't dare die) - maybe the plant collection got started around the same time as the bookshop...
That black jewel at his throat looks awfully familiar. It has a different setting than the one on Furfur's ring but... (launching fully into headcanon now) what if the stone is an item of demonic power that gets taken when Crowley is pulled back to Hell and ends up with Furfur? I don't have a good reason for Crowley to have it in the first place, but if someone wants to run with this idea I'd love your thoughts.
1827 Crowley is the best Crowley of season 2 (I KNOW this is controversial but this look kills me dead I am deceased)
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The Gamigin event trailer was kinda hinting that Lucifer might have been like a father-figure to Gamigin.
If it turns out to be true WHB-Lucifer should get together with OM-Lucifer and Hazbin-Lucifer then the three of them form a "Depressed Dad Support Group"
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ultimateloserboy · 19 days
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i just had a thought… you know how duck remembers things like winning a tournament? he didn’t actually, but he has it in his head? theres photos of him winning it, and flying planes and many other things, but it’s obvious none of that actually happened. do you think he imagines it? do you think he comes up with an entire life of being a father and winning awards because in reality he has no past or future? theres photos of him graduating, i think theres one of red guy too if im remembering right, but did that actually happen or is that ducks imagination again? do you think hes imagined graduating with red guy, having a childhood where theyre best friends, but in reality its just his imagination filling in the blanks? do you think he has a million fond memories of growing up together or causing trouble as highschoolers (or whatever british people call it) when in reality its just him imagining decades of friendship that never were? so when he asks red guy about the tournament or graduation or that time they snuck out together in the 80s or something, hes surprised to find out that red guy doesnt remember, because it never happened… or am i overthinking it…
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inbarfink · 8 months
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Among the various readings and interpretations of What the Hell is Up With the Ending to the DHMIS Web Show - one of the more interesting ones (from my perspective, at leas) has always been that it’s all a metaphor for repeating patterns of trauma and/or abuse. 
As in, most of the narrative of the DHMIS Webshow has been some sort of surrealist metaphor for Roy being an overcontrolling and manipulative parental figure for his son and his friends
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And then the ending shows them finally escaping his influence -
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Only that without a frame of reference for just how screwed-up their upbringing really was and without any healthy way to process their various traumas, they end up being in danger of just replicating his abuse on their own. Either on each other or maybe on the color-swapped characters who can, like, represent their own children or something. 
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And so the vague ending of the Webshow is an open question, yes, the trio might’ve gotten physically away from Roy’s influence - but are they free from it mentally?
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Or are they doomed to snap back into their old familiar world?
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And the interesting thing about this is that like… that could be what the Web Show is about on a metaphorical level. But in the TV Show, with its greater emphasis on interpersonal conflicts and the characters - the idea of our main trio unknowingly replicating the abuse they live under is not just something we can hypothetically ruminate on. It’s something we can actually see, something we can actually feel.
Like, the first thing that made me think of Yellow and Red’s interactions with Stain Edwards.
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This is basically the closest the Three of Them can get to being parental figures within the confines of the Format. He starts out as such a sweet and curious child-like being, his title for himself is literally ‘the Forever Boy’. And, well…
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Red and Yellow are just so uncomfortable with his curiosity and thirst for adventure that they basically immediately try and stomp it right out. And that’s like a whole big thing about DHMIS, isn’t it? The way that children’s edutainment and the education system actually curbs children's curiosity and desire for learning so they can better memorize easily-digestible simplified concepts and Respect Their Authority Figures. 
You know, it’s the whole thing with…
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And that’s kinda how Red acts with Stain? He’s a lot less violent and more subdued about it - but he also discourages the little guy from asking questions and wanting to explore the world. 
And he is trying to push him into fitting more into the Format. And, like, managing his life like the Trio’s own life is managed by the Format. First more generally into what being part of the DHMIS main trio is supposed to mean (‘just sit here and something will happen’) and then eventually literally turning him into something he didn’t want to be. 
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And from our more familiar perspective, it’s clear that Red Guy really just genuinely thinks at this point that sitting passively and Waiting to Be Taught At is how things are Supposed to Be and can’t really imagine things going any other way. He is honestly just trying to get Stain to understand how their life is supposed to work. (Well until it starts becoming about making a new Duck) 
And it’s also clear to us how much Red Guy is motivated by just unaddressed grief about Duck and wanting to avoid conflict with Yellow Guy, who's a lot more explictly lashing out at Stain in his grief
"What's the matter with him?" "Nothing. Just don't look at him." "What? Where can I look? I can't look at him, can't look over there..." "No, if, if you want to look at stuff, just tell me and I-I'll make a list. Of where you should or should not look..." "Seems like a weird system..." "Yeah, well, you seem like a weird little...thing with...and you don't even... the other guy at least had his own clothes"
But looking at it from Stain’s perspective, taking aside our understanding of Red’s character and motivation. This is just an authority figure giving him a nonsense set of rules and then lashing out at him when he questions it. Never giving a deeper explanation than ‘this is how it’s supposed to be’ and basically punishing his curiosity.
Kinda like, well, how the Teachers tend to interact with the trio.
And then there’s Yellow Guy who’s just totally lashing out at Stain through the whole thing, because, again, he can’t process the grief of losing Duck. Because his environment did not give him the tools to properly process that trauma and he has no healthy frame of reference to grief and that’s kinda...
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Yeah, that’s just what I was talking about. Stain’s subplot in ‘Death’ is just Yellow and Red having not interrogated their abusive environment and not really dealing with their trauma and thus repeating the patterns of the Teachers on their new child-like figure.
Which then culminates with either Duck killing Stain in the name of preserving the status-quo of the format (“there’s only supposed to be three of us”) or with Stain having internalized so much of what Yellow and Red (but mainly Red) taught him about what he’s supposed to be that he was willing to kill in the name of the Format - and then slotted in perfectly in the unadventurous, unquestioning role of Duck.
And this lil narrative is especially interesting if you believe any variance of the David Theory. Because Yellow and Red were mainly motivated in their mistreatment of Stain by their Grief about a ‘dead’ family member. Which could mirror Lesley's trapping and mistreatment of the trio and her own motivations. 
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But I think this idea of mirroring and repeating patterns of abuse are reflected in more than just this one episode. It’s also reflected in the way Red and Duck tend to mistreat Yellow.
Because while Yellow doesn’t slot as neatly into the Child position like Stain did- his simplistic naïveté does mean he often plays a Child-like role in our favorite Forced Family dynamic. And the way that Duck and Red can often condescend to him can… very well mirror the condescending way the teachers address all three of them.
Especially when you also consider the similar manner both the Teachers and Red + Duck react to Yellow being fully charged in ‘Electricity’. They are all so nervous about Yellow breaking away from his supposed ‘role’ as the Stupid One. 
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And they especially all seem so very insecure about the idea that Yellow might be smarter than they are.
And that’s, you know, also an aspect of children’s education that tends to actually harm children and their curiosity. This desire for ‘respect’ towards authority figures and this egotistical need for teachers and parents to always be smarter than their kids - causing them to subtly or bluntly punish children for just being clever or inquisitive. 
It’s, you know “I’m the adult, you are the child. I am supposed to be the Smart and Knowledgeable one and you are the one who must be taught. And you need to play your role!”
Again, that seems to be the whole thing in ‘Time’.
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Here it’s a lot more subtle and less openly hostile, but Yellow can tell that just like that Insurance Teacher,  Red and Duck’s egos have also been hurt by the fact that they might not be smarter than Yellow Guy anymore. And he considers going back to the role he’s ‘supposed to be’, even though being fully-charged seems to feel better for him (‘this doesn’t feel wrong’), just for them. 
That’s almost literally a child giving up on a pursuit of knowledge just to placate his parental figures. 
And then, you know, his refusal to do so and his assertion of his own ability to make decisions for himself (his own maturity, "they're not in charge of us anymore" "Maybe they never were") is directly what leads to him ascending and disassembling not just the trio’s dynamic but the very structure of the Format. 
And I think, it’s not just that Red and Duck’s treatment of Yellow mirrors the way the teachers treat the Three of Them - it might be a result of it as well. With how condescending the teachers are towards them in general, bullying Yellow is their way to assert some sort of maturity and intelligence for themselves. It's super-fucked up, but this is how they internalized expressing what ‘intelligence’ is supposed to look like. And they have no frame of reference for a way of feeling smart or in control that doesn’t involve shutting someone else down. Because that's what literally every authority figure does for them all the time.
Now, do I think that means that our trio is doomed to mirror those patterns? That they will always inevitability repeat the horrors they go through on each other and others? Well, just like with every ‘cycle of abuse’, it can always be broken. But it will take some actual understanding and self-awareness and personal healing from the trio. 
And without this, they’re not just trapped within the Horrors physically, but also spiritually as well. Without it, no matter if they do manage to run away, on some level, their journey will always end up back at home....
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mikaikaika · 5 months
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So I've been thinking about the theories that this island is not our island. The initial signs were obviously the big Ben and island having 2 different versions of the tower and some other small architectural mismatches here and there. But now seeing the lack of workers/Cucurucho, Cucuruchito and black concrete on the island really makes me wonder if we are not truly on the OG island. What if the workers were not able to contain the spread of the infection and Cucurucho only travelled from the other island to inform them of the eggs (which would also explain why Cucu was still wearing the protection gear) and that's why the Feds just created a clone of the island and just sent the islanders there.
Additionally, the lack of the Duck also makes me think that the Duck can only broadcast to the island it's part of aka og island hence make sense why we didn't see it in the most recent broadcast video. Tl;dr the Federation could not get the island cleaned in time or figure out the way to contain the infection hence they made a pseudo-copy of the island to send them to.
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dandymaximilian · 1 year
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If The Lamp's theory about the DHMIS world being a sort of purgatory is true, then this is what I think life might've been like for Duck and Red Guy before joining Yellow Guy/David.
(TW: mentions of suicide)
Duck:
Was a Sergeant and an Air Pilot in the British Mililary during WW2, hence why he is so fixated on it. As shown in DHMIS 2, Jobs, and Death.
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Forged medical/enlistment documents, which lead to many deaths, a fact he tried to suppress in his mind, as referenced in "Worm in Our Brain" song.
Developed PTSD after the war, filled with regret over his actions during it. Wanted to establish a "digital currency based on respect" to make up for his actions.
Had constant fighting within his biological family, though he was in denial about this, as shown in Family.
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Always wanted to be a father figure, but he never had the chance, hence why insists on being "the father" in Family.
Had a fascination with space, conspiracy theories, and the rapid expansion of technology, as referenced in Jobs, DHMIS 2 and possibly Death.
He had a blackbelt in Karate, as shown in Death.
Was a fan of James Bond, as shown on his poster in his "customized area" in Transport.
Secretly performed drag at underground bars for money, as shown in Family in his infamous crossdressing scene.
Won a tournament at some point, as referenced in Death.
Had bouts of rage due to PTSD, often resorting to biting others. (Yellow Guy would compare this behaviour to a dog whenever he visited his father, hence why Duck appears as one in the flashback in Transport.)
Witnessed Yellow Guy/David's death in a nearby (retirement?) home next to Roy. (Next to another full house/orphanage? Possibly the origins of the teachers?) As shown in the flashback in Transport.
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Developed diabetes at some point, and died from kidney failure (a lack of water). Both are referenced during Death and Electricity.
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Red Guy:
Worked a 9 to 5 office job that he hated and felt pressured into working, as shown in DHMIS 6. Eventually he climbed up the cooperate latter, becoming the boss, but he was still miserable, as referenced in Jobs.
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Lived in a small community in England in the 40's by himself. As referenced in Transport, where Red Guy subconsciously wants and tries to return to "Clayhill."
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Mostly lived an uneventful life.
Enjoyed puppet shows, junveille songs, and child-like hobbies, but he was rejected for this interest. He ended up developing a sense of apathy as an attempt to fit in, as referenced in DHMIS 6.
Enjoyed cooking as a hobby, as referenced in Death.
Often attended bars, where he would try to express his creatvity through dancing and singing. Unfortunately, he was frequently booed off stage, as referenced in DHMIS 6.
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Was another witness to Yellow Guy/David's death.
Died as a result of suicide because of repeated rejection by his peers/family, drowning himself in a nearby lake, as referenced in Death and Family.
On a final note, I think Lesley might've worked at the Vaccum Cleaner Shop before she died? I think it would explain her fixation on inanimate objects. The figurine even looks like her.
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gnomeniche · 2 years
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i'm thinking so hard about the dhmis trio's characterizations and how interesting i find all of them. let's start by framing this discussion with a quote from this interview
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i want to talk about them in terms of their surface levels and their hidden depths. you can see the roles that they're supposed to play on the in-universe "show world", but then you dig deeper and you find something more real.
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yellow? plays the role of the innocently stupid one who's always the butt of the joke and can't see that his friends are jerks.
but we find out that he's the one with the most awareness of their situation and that his knowledge was literally taken from him. and he knows full well that his friends are jerks! throughout the show that is made clear. and even after he's functioning at full power and he admits that he thinks his friends are trying to control him, he still loves them enough to bring the book back to them so that they can all escape. he's shown to be genuinely kind, not just unwittingly innocent. and even when he's at low power he displays some memory of their situation, but he just can't express it.
red? plays the role of the chill and laid-back one who's always handy with a sarcastic comment and doesn't care very much.
but we find that he cares quite a bit about many things. he seems to have a rather sensitive heart, is prone to existential dread, and is distressed by the nonsense of their world. he wants so strongly; he wants something better, something more gentle and more sincere and more real than all this. he wants to feel comfortable somewhere but can't quite find that in either this life or any other. he's curious and imaginative but repressing it due to arbitrary standards, whether it's by the show world's rules or social rules (original 6's "real world" and new 3's illusion of a family).
duck? plays the role of the the high-strung, fussy one with an overinflated ego, dramatic emotions, and a sharp tongue.
but we see that, even if he can be cruel, he finds comfort in being with his friends and loves their daily life together. he sees them as a family! he can't just be by himself, and he genuinely doesn't want them to be separated. and pedantic as he is, he seems blind to the inconsistent nature of their reality. it's only when the status quo of their daily life is disrupted that he really freaks out, like when yellow goes off-script in 6 or when red disappears in the original series' 5. but this also makes him grounded in who he is; he just does not assimilate into new roles as well as the other two, and as dramatic as he is, he's often the most stable.
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and it's their inner traits that lead to their downfalls, when they do occur. yellow's love leads him to go back downstairs and lose his memory over and over and over again. red's curiosity for more strands him outside of his world with no way back in besides intervention from a higher level, in both the original and new series. duck's stability makes him unable to deal with some lessons and thus liable to be violently removed or changed (perhaps this is why he seems to be so often replaced?), in both the original and new series.
and they all have their deeper personalities masked by the roles they must play in this tv-show-world. yellow's is most easy to see, because he is literally forced to lose all memory and return to his role as lovable idiot, but the abrupt shift in demeanor that red and duck experienced in 6 when a ray of stage light came back into the dark is also notable, as was red's sudden reset from desperate in 5 to apathetic in 6, right after the group came too close to knowing what was going on.
and on a level wider than the individual characters... you can see it with the undercutting of any almost-sincere moments by gags. you can see it in how full of holes their memories are. there are moments where their selves beneath the roles shine through anyway, but the status quo is always god. nobody can grow or change or be anything other than what they are supposed to be. and that's the tragedy of it
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random-lil-illing · 2 months
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okay, so, i might be looking too much into this, but hear me out.
in s1ep1 of carmen sandiego (2019), when carmen's recounting her backstory to gray, she talks about letting her friends tag along to greet cookie booker by throwing water balloons at her. there are 5 of them in their little criminal friend group (or as i like to call them, the crimesters™), and they throw red water balloons. they throw five red water balloons at cookie booker. and ms booker is obviously a pretty important person in vile, as she is the bookkeeper and she delivers the hard drive.
and there are five official team red members. and they go against vile. using the hard drive. the water balloons represent the future team red. oh my god
maybe im just tired and making things up, but if this is the case then that would be some amazing foreshadowing
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lemonduckisnowawake · 7 months
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Over the Garden Wall is SUCH a fascinating show to me for a myriad of reasons. But one of the things that stuck with me was the symbolism of the Woodsman and his lantern. TW for discussions on grief and unhealthy coping mechanisms (that I might get wrong, just as a warning).
I'm sure this has been said before, but to me it's just such a fascinating representation of how we unintentionally keep despair alive by clinging to our overwhelming grief of those we lost. Maybe I'm misinterpreting something or looking too deeply into it, but it's just. The lantern that the Woodsman keeps lighting in the hopes that his daughter's soul will be kept alive through it is, in actuality, keeping the Beast alive. And in a similar way I've read tales and actually studied grief theories about how people keep the memory of their loved one alive; at first, it's a good thing, and it can take however long or short you need to it be since grief seems to be something that generally never really goes away.
But there can come a point where all you live for is the dead, which is what the Woodsman was doing in laboring day and night to keep the lantern alive. And in doing so, you start to poison yourself and, rather than keeping the person you lost in living memory, you start to keep alive the despair and darkness. You start to keep alive the Beast rather than the soul of your daughter, in other words. Sometimes, it's intentional, though. "If I let go of this despair and anguish of mine, doesn't that mean I'll forever lose that person I loved?" And sometimes, it's unintentional.
The conclusion of it is that you have to let them go...you have to let that despair (not grief, but the poisonous and hopeless grief) go. Maybe, like Wirt did, through unflinching practicality and sheer knowledge rather than emotion. Or something else. But maybe, then, you'll find that when the lantern of your despair is gone, it'll be dark at first but you'll slowly start to see a grander light. And maybe, you'll find that your daughter is still alive anyway, in the light rather than in the darkness.
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cutelootsuit · 1 year
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my fav silly idea of mine is that duck knows alot more then hes leading on he has just given up on trying to escape the loop. idk i think it would be cool. very unlikely but i rly like the idea of duck being so against change is bc he knows things CANT change. and when things change it means that theyre in danger. this is soley because duck shakes his head in disappointment when red guy freaks out in the car and how upset he gets when yellow guy is battered up. also in jobs when he absolutely freaked out and yelled “THIS ISNT WHAY WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING”. also how he reacts to them being in the dump after transportation as if he knows this wont really matter in the end
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aduckwithears · 7 months
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Crowley must know about Shax the hitchhiker, right??
He can tell if the Bentley is yellow for someone's sake - he's got to know that a demon was literally sitting in the car. Of course, it's not really new information that they are being questioned - Shax was already sniffing around the bookshop - and it's not a surprise that she asked the other half of the duo what was up. However, it does put a spin on Crowley telling Aziraphale that he was worried something must have happened... and readily accepting Aziraphale's answer that nothing did... and the way he's stuck to the angel like glue most of the next day during preparations for the Ball.
But I guess the most important question? Could he sense the bitchy eyebrow???!
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bubbeebear · 1 year
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I'm in a good mood
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ultimateloserboy · 9 months
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the idea that lesley hates duck is one thing but have y’all considered duck hating lesley EVEN MORE? like think about it man, duck does follow “the rules” and stays in the house, sure, but as far as hes aware those are HIS rules. if he found out the real reason he stays inside isnt cuz he wants to, but because some old lady in his attic has an ugly littlest pet shop of him in her barbie dream house, i think hed actually fucking boil over. i think hed fucking lose it. like yes he DOES want to stay inside and read the paper and hes fine with dying he really doesnt care honestly. and yes he probably wanted to go home after getting stranded in the transport episode BUT AN OLD LADY IN HIS ATTIC DRAGGING HIM HOME??? THAT CANT STAND!!! GET YOUR FILTHY HANDS OFF HIS POLLY POCKET LESLEY!!!! hed be swinging the little model house off the piano and shed have to grab him by the scruff and throw him down the stairs. the whole house would be in disarray.
seriously tho i love imagining the other twos reactions to her cuz like.. honestly i can hardly imagine it at all. dhmis isnt very predictable. but i like to guess the mindset theyd have towards her at least. i think red guy would ask her if shes his mother. and shed laugh at how silly the question is. idk just a thought.
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