ohhh this is really sad actually. gorgug being naturally fitted to being a barbarian because he's a half-orc but being interested in artificing too as a connection to his adoptive gnome parents. and now porter telling him he's not good enough at being a barbarian to merit giving him the leeway to try artificer classes. the way gorgug has always been made to feel like he's in the wrong place, he's too big and destructive for the tree and he's too curious and kind for rage. and the fact that when push comes to shove he can act strategically with both abilities, we've seen him do it. having a relationship with the gnomes in sylvaire was key to figuring out the stuff with kalina, he built the solar lasso for the night yorb in the first place, he rightfully deduced that because he was in a rage already he should keep fighting instead of casting spare the dying with the action economy. the fact that he CAN help his friends with both his physical body and his brain but he's not being given the chance to try. I'm gonna sob.
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You know what's interesting to me? For all people keep claiming at every juncture that perhaps Bells Hells will come around on the gods and see the harm they do (which, as discussed extensively, is, half the time, simply not intervening) not only have they never done so, but also they never quite cross the line into saying the party should join the Ruby Vanguard or aid them - and indeed, they defend against it - so what does this achieve? It feels like they're asking for a story in which the party stands idly by, which isn't much of a story nor, if I may connect this briefly to the real world, a political stance anyone should be proud of.
That's honestly the frustration with the gods and the "what if the Vanguard has a point" conversations in-game. What do we do then? Do we allow the organization that will murder anyone for pretty much any reason that loosely ties into their goals run rampant? The group that (perhaps unwittingly, but then again, Otohan's blades had that poison) disrupted magic world-wide, and caused people who had the misfortune to live at nexus points to be teleported (most, as commoners, without means of return). While also fomenting worldwide unrest?
Those were the arguments before the trip to Ruidus; with the reveal of the Vanguard's goals to invade Exandria, the situation becomes even more dire. Do you let the Imperium take over the planet?
And do the arguments against the gods even hold up? If Ludinus is so angry at them for the Calamity, what does it say that he destroyed Western Wildemount's first post-Calamity society for entirely selfish means? (What does it say about the validity of vengeance as a motivator?) What does it say that Laudna told Imogen she could always just live in a cottage quietly without issue before the solstice even happened? (Would this still be true if the Imperium controls the world?) What does it say that when faced with a furious, grieving party and the daughter she keeps telling herself was her reason for all of this, Liliana can't provide an answer to the question of what the gods have done other than that their followers will retaliate...for, you know, the Vanguard's endless list of murders. (That is how the Vanguard and Imperium tend to think, huh? "How dare your face get in the way of my boot; how dare you hit me back when I strike you.") She can't even provide a positive answer - why is Predathos better - other than "I feel it", even though Imogen and Fearne know firsthand that Predathos can provide artificial feelings of elation. Given all the harm Ludinus has done in pursuit, why isn't the conclusion "the gods should have crashed Aeor in such a way that the tech was unrecoverable?"
Even as early as the first real discussion on what the party should do, the fandom always stopped short of saying "no, Imogen's right, they should join up with the people who killed half the party," it was always "no, she didn't really mean it, she just was trying to connect with her mother." Well, she's connected with her mother, and at this point the party doesn't even care about the gods particularly (their only divinely-connected party member having died to prevent the Vanguard from killing all of them). So they will stop the Vanguard; as Ashton says, the means are unforgiveable. As Laudna says, it's not safe to bet on Predathos's apathy. As Imogen says, she's done running; the voice that she used to think of as a lifeline belongs to someone she doesn't trust. So I guess my question is: if they're stopping the people who are trying to kill the gods (and defense of the gods isn't remotely their personal motivation)...do you think the next phase of the campaign is Bells Hells personally killing the gods? Reconstructing the Aeor tech and hoping none of their allies notice? How does this end? Does your ideology ever get enacted? Or is this entirely moot and pointless and the story ends with Bells Hells saying "well, I'm really glad we stopped the people who [insert list of Vanguard atrocities from above]; none of us follow the gods or plan to, but honestly, the status quo we return to is preferable to whatever nightmare Ludinus had concocted in his violent quest for power and revenge"?
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i'm going to be fucking sick please if you associate with tumblr user gaycey-sketchit at all please just fucking block me leave my life exit i am so fucking upset and terrified. i want nothing to do with anyone who is even remotely close with him
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FUCKING BASTARD JACKASS THE FUCKING NERVE OF YOU DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE STALKERS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY FAMILY HAS HAD TO GET PULLED OUT OF SCHOOL BEFORE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE WHOLE BLOGS DOXXING ME. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT BY BEING MY FRIEND AT ALL YOU ARE NOW A SOURCE OF INFORMATION TO THESE PEOPLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE STALKING ME WHO ARE COMBING YOUR BLOG FOR INFORMATION TO HURT ME AND MY FRIENDS. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DROP MY NAME! THE THINGS YOU ARE SAYING ARE SPECIFIC ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN BE CROSS REFERENCED WITH OTHER THINGS PEOPLE HAVE SAID AND USED TO HURT ME
LEAVE ME ALONE! YOUR "PERSONAL BLOG" IS PUBLIC! ANYONE CAN VIEW IT, AND MY STALKERS ARE! SEVERAL OF THEM SENT ME MESSAGES ABOUT THIS! THATS PART OF THE REASON I KNEW YOU WERE POSTING ABOUT ME!!!!!!! BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT BEING SUBTLE OR VAGUE ENOUGH!!!!! PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU ARE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ME!!!!!
YOU CANNOT SIT THERE AND PREACH TO ME ABOUT MOVING ON WHEN YOU WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT ME! EVERY DAY THE FRIENDS OF MINE WHO YOU ARE STILL IN THE NOTIFICATIONS OF TELL ME OF SOME NEW DUMB BULLSHIT YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT ME! I AM NOT OVER HERE SAYING BULLSHIT ABOUT YOU! AND IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO "MOVE ON" WHEN YOU ARE PUTTING MY FUCKINF FRIENDS' LIVES IN DANGER
ACT LIKE A FUCKING ADULT. YOU ARE FUCKING INSANE. IT IS INSANE THAT YOU HAVE CONVINCED YOURSELF THE WAY YOU ARE BEHAVING IS ACCEPTABLE JUST BECAUSE YOU TALK WITH A CALM VOICE AND REPEATEDLY POST PERFORMATIVE SHIT ABOUT HOW GREAT YOURE DOING. LEAVE ME ALONE. LEAVE MY FRIENDS ALONE. YOUR PERSONAL BLOG IS PUBLIC. MY STALKERS ARE ON IT AND THEY ARE USING YOU. AND YOU ARE GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT. OF COURSE I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO HURT ME, YOU WILL NOT LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!
YOUR BOYFRIEND HAS LITERALLY BEEN A MIDDLEMAN BEFORE YOU HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING DESPITE ME NOT EVEN HAVING YOU BLOCKED?!?!?! THE FUCJ AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?!?!?! JUST STAND BY WHILE YOU PUT MT FRIENDS' LIFE IN DANGER?!?!?? IF I AHD A WAY TO CKNTACT YOU DIRECTLY I WOULD YOU FUCKING FOOL
leave me alone just fucking leave me alone!!!!!! Practice what you preach and stop fucking talking about me!!!!
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