#demyx is mom theory

[dominicsorel]

The Body Language of Demyx/MOM

So I stayed up ALL night collecting examples of gestures and such from Demyx and the Master of Masters in order to see if there are recurring similarities. And guess what? There's an endless supply! Enough to warrant a post pointing them out. I actually had to cut down, guys.

The examples are all below the read more.

And there you go. It’s what you see.

#kingdom hearts #kh demyx #kh mom #demyx #master of masters #demyx is mom theory #kh meta #text

[localcryptideli]

Is it just me or does Player 2 give off a lot of Luxord vibes so far

#something in the way he talked idk #if demyx is not in ML tho the MoM Demyx theories are gonna be pff the chart #cause he would be the only one with an unexplained keyblade background #it's the card and the hint he knew sora'd be thrown into the unreality and what to do that makes me suspicious of luxord as someone in ML

[brave-symphonia]

Demyx is doing a very important job Axel, he’s the one tying the whole Organization together.

#zack reads manga #zack reads kh days #demyx #volume 1 #chapter 1 #in all seriousness #i have seen a theory #that demyx may be the MoM #and it had a bit of evidence

[megashadowdragon]

Fact vs Fiction: How the Master of Masters Used Our Imaginations Against Us

demyx is master of masters

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Jack is usually considered number 10 in card games, and “ten” is “Decem” in Latin. Those letters are suspiciously close to those in “Demyx”… And numerically, 10 is represented by an X… This Jack connection just makes too much sense!

jack is also Jack is also the 10th Locus in the Nameless Tome!

#kingdom hearts theory #demyx #kh demyx #kingdom hearts #kh mom #kh master of masters #the master of masters #kh the master of masters #kingdom hearts mom #Youtube

[mushroom-winners-proof]

maaaan if MoM turns out to be any already existing character I'm gonna be mega disappointed. All of the "MoM is X" theories are really lame imo... just let him be his own character.

THANK YOU

#snap chats #i already said i thought the Demyx is MoM theory is funny but i'd be disappointed to find it was true #like i'm tired of X is Actually Y i'm over it #please just let MoM be his own character

[chenoehi]

been thinking thoughts about KH3, MoM theories, etc a lot lately and this is my current brain rot:

All the Org XIII ancient keyblade wielders seem to treat Sora with either derision or kindness.

Eg. Marluxia and Luxord are friendly to Sora when they’re fading away. Marluxia thanks him and Luxord gives him a card to help him. Luxord was arguably never unkind to Sora prior but he was still antagonistic. Larxene isn’t kind per se but she shows a different side briefly and even smiles at him in the end, which for her actually seemed genuine.

Meanwhile you have Xigbar/Luxu and Demyx. Both of which are, frankly, bastards (affectionately! I love them your honor) to Sora in KH2, DDD, and KH3 even when they don’t need to be. Like, just thinking about Xigbar antagonizing the shit out of Sora in KH2/Radiant Garden and like Cardi B I’m wondering what was tf reason.

Based on what we know of him now, we can make educated guesses as to why he acts that way — his character file is illuminating and offers a lot of insight as to why he may feel differently about Sora, in addition to how nosey af we know Luxu is.

Demyx initially acts friendly but that’s really just him addressing Roxas imo which he makes pretty obvious by speaking directly to Roxas in KH2. And while he was objectively terrible to Roxas in terms of ditching him on missions in Days, he was never actually rude or unkind to him that I remember. For the most part he’s friendly with him both in game and in comics (that I know of). And he seemed alright with Xion.

Sora? Nah. He’s sarcastic as shit and while I love me some barbs, I tend to agree with the opinion that sarcasm is veiled contempt.

In fact contempt is the word I feel fits best for how both Xigbar and Demyx act/feel toward Sora.

But Riku? Demyx calls out to him in Remind and starts talking like they’re besties, he smiles at him softly — which is not at all weird or like his soft smile for Ienzo, no not similar in the slightest — and he gets up in his personal space, which, while not entirely unusual for Demyx, is in contrast to his interactions with Sora. It’s made a little creepy by the odd familiarity with which he’s treating someone he’s supposedly just met — and not even properly. (it’s actually crazy to me but rn I’m realizing the org members almost never introduce themselves to anyone lol Sora has no idea who these people are, like he literally doesn’t know what to call them so he just says “it’s org 13” bc names? what’s a name?)

And this single solitary interaction between Riku-Demyx for me is all just so strange because there’s few people on record in the games that Demyx is actually friendly toward. Xigbar, Ienzo, Roxas, maybe Xion, now Riku. That’s an ..interesting mix. I’m not counting Vexen because dude was finding every excuse to walk away from science boy in RG before getting sucked into the scheme via manipulation (and arguably his own ego, cause you know, he’s the only one who could pull it off bc no one would suspect him). He literally claims himself that he had no real friends outside of Xigbar and we know that association alone is 👀 At one point Axel speaks somewhat kindly of him, but then Demyx was saying how much quieter it was and how he’s glad the loudmouths were unalived in Castle Oblivion. Not very neighborly of him, but then again Axel and Zexion were friendly enough to bet on who’d die next only for Axel to axe (aheh) him so a lot of that backstabbing shit went on. So maybe he was cool with Axel but clearly not enough to be friends with him, even though he apparently wanted friends. (On another note, I still find it super odd Axel chose to defend Demyx to Roxas instead of piling on, we never even saw them interact. It’s weird.)

It’s unfortunate we don’t get to see Xigbar/Luxu interact with Riku on his own but, like with Demyx, I think he would be less bastardly than he is with Sora. Maybe it’s a keyblade master thing, maybe Riku’s just earned more respect, or maybe he just can’t stand that Sora is the ‘hero’ putting others (Riku et al) in danger constantly by needing to be rescued or protected — at least from Xigbar/Luxu’s perspective.

#demyx #Xigbar #luxu #kh luxu #sora #kh sora #riku #kh riku #kingdom hearts #kh3 #kh 358/2 days #kh2 #Marluxia #larxene #luxord #kh3 remind

[chongoblog]

My favorite thing about Kingdom Hearts theories (specifically related to stuff for the current group of upcoming games) is that they're all equally likely because they're all equally baseless. So yeah Demyx is MoM and so is Sora and Xehanort and Chirithy or whatever also Onion is Yellow Diamond

I mean, kind of a false equivalence because everything you just said is completely true

[kairithemang0]

I really hope that the Master of Masters isn't an already existing character. He's such an interesting character and I think that if they make him Demyx or Sora it'll kind of ruin him. We already have Luxu and Ventus as characters from the Land of Fairytales, we don't need Sora as well. Not to mention it would ruin Sora's character too! He's the main protagonist, we've seen his journey from start to end, he's a great character. If you turn around and say "now he's one of the main villains" that's really hard to pull off especially for someone as happy go lucky as Sora. Not to mention that the Master of Masters has done so many terrible things, so to make Sora and him the same character would be very out of character for Sora unless done right.

I've been talking a lot about if Sora's the master, so I want to touch on some of the other popular theories too. First off, Demyx. Honestly I think Demyx is a great character on his own, he's lazy, he's annoying, he just wants to sit around and play guitar. And maybe if he is the master it would make sense for why he just doesn't care, since he's just biding his time. But if he was Demyx it would overall be underwhelming because Demyx is just this weird guy with nothing super special about him. I'm putting my bets on Demyx being shown in Missing Link, since we know from a scene in kh3 that he does in fact have the ability to wield a keyblade. To me it's a lot more interesting if Demyx is just some guy.

Another theory I've seen floating around that I personally don't mind is that he's Yozora. The eye color and being in Quadratum is most of the evidence I've heard for it. But also to me it seems that the secret ending of 3 where Sora and Riku are both in Quadratum is happening at the same time, and Yozora and MoM are in very different places at the time so I don't know how accurate that actually is.

Personally I like the idea of MoM being "the light". From a scene in Re:Mind that I don't remember if it was in Dark Road or not, MoM says his name and the screen goes white. And since his goal is to defeat all the darkness, it would make sense that he himself is the light. I think that this would give him interesting interactions with Riku too, since Riku uses both the darkness and the light. It would also be interesting to have a villain using the light for bad, I think that would give many characters doubt about what they believe, since so many of them hate the darkness and what it brings.

Whoever the Master ends up being, I just want him to be entertaining. He's such an interesting character while also being funny as hell, and he's overall just fascinating to theorize about, especially in this current time between 3 and 4, since I doubt we'll see any of him in Missing Link.

#kingdom hearts #kh #sora #demyx #master of masters #yozora #kingdom hearts 3 #kh3 #union cross #kingdom hearts union x #missing link #kingdom hearts 4

[dominicsorel]

Some more misc Demyx/MOM similarities

#kingdom hearts #kh demyx #kh mom #demyx #master of masters #demyx is mom theory

[mythicalartistx]

Endless possibilities for Kairi

Nomura once said the keyblade Riku gives to Kairi and where he gets it will be answered in a future installment.

As he does when he doesn't want to answer something because it will be no point in ever showing it if he just tells people.

He did it when people asked about Demyx's backstory and where he came from. He didn't say anything and he most likely will be in Missing Link and probably 4?

But so much about Kairi is a mystery and at first I thought oh they're not going to do much with her, I don't think in KH4 we'll see much but then I was looking at MOM scenes and KH2 the games where people genuinely think she shines the most.

(personally her in mom doesn't do it for me because she ends up using Sora's form)

Mom is just giving people bread crumbs and it's kinda overpraised. Like you control her for a bit until Sora takes over and then you eventually control Riku. I'll admit the backstory parts were nice. It helped confirm more about the Ansem reports. But it's not really much.

Her entire backstory is so mysterious.

She— a child of Radiant Garden who happens to be one of the princesses with a pure heart was seen by Xehanort and studied on through experiments until she was sent to Destiny Islands through one of the time capsules used in Union x.

Because of Xehanort and the others apprentices were doing unsupervised experiments (not sure if this was before or after they became nobodies), sending her there caused the meteor shower— the same one that happens on destiny islands where Riku makes a promise to Sora to protect him and probably have his signature necklace to him. (Though this is necklace theory it is implied this happens through various scenes in KH and the novels, and manga)

Through this revelation, they can discover and discuss where she came from and how she got to Destiny Islands, by discovering the time capsules they can figure out Union X events. The Wayfinder Trio + Kairi can figure out this information together.

Why the Wayfinders? Because Ven was from the era and it could help get his memories back. Kairi is also going to be training with Aqua after MOM.

But by looking into that stuff they can find out more about her and then come across what happened to experiment X and if she really is Skuld or not (a lot of people think she is Skuld).

And Lea/Axel and Isa/Saïx come in for that part.

But she has so much potential. Like KH is obviously about Sora and Riku's friendship and I think the reason why we seen so little of her is probably because Nomura might just be waiting for a good moment or game to put some backstory for Kairi.

We only got crumbs through the reports, a dialogue here and there, and then the scene in mom. And maybe just maybe we'll get an installment that tells us something extraordinary as KH does.

This is like the fourth analysis post I've done about her. She can be so interesting and so much potential and I'm thinking about another one relating to her. It's involving how the English version of KH makes her worse of a character... You'll see why soon

Post note: before anyone mentions kh3 I discussed in previous posts I didn't like her in that one because she was just training a lot and not really doing much. Then during the battle she eventually dies, well that's the shortened version

#kingdom hearts #kh #kairi #Kairi game #kh kairi #kh analysis #kingdom Hearts analysis #discussion post #kingdom Hearts 2 #Kingdom Hearts 3 #kingdom hearts melody of memory #melody of memory #kh2 #kh1 #kh mom #kairi has potential #I'd love a kairi project

[nanakibh]

What do you think a "crown" is?

It's mentioned together with the pods, so it sounds like it could be something that the Lost Masters were going to use.

We know that the plan was for the Lost Masters to defeat the Darkness after giving it a physical form by trapping it in their own bodies. I assume that means that they would have had to destroy their own bodies to destroy the Darkness.

A crown is something you wear...

See where I'm going with this? What if the Crowns are the vessels the MoM prepared for the Lost Masters?

This is one of the few theories I can think of where Demyx technically isn't the MoM, but only technically. lol The similarity is so significant, I would just believe that he's MoM suffering from amnesia. But in the event that he's not, a handpicked vessel with a compatible personality sounds like the next best guess.

We don't know anything about the crowns, though, so this could be completely wrong. I just thought I'd throw it out there as a possibility. One of the things that makes me doubt it is the fact that there would have to be six more of these supposed vessels, and it's impossible to prove they even exist. I guess the MoM could have intended to use characters we already know, but if that's the case, I don't see that panning out. (Only Luxu would be deranged enough to follow this sort of plan, as we've already seen evidenced with his own body-swapping.) In which case, Demyx could be the only one who was used.

Also, I don't expect the Darkness to be destroyed. I think they could all be "rehabilitated" like Vanitas clearly will be.

In any case... I'm always certain that Demyx is involved somewhere in the equation because Agito XIII continues to exist. We love that.

#kingdom hearts #kh #master of masters #demyx #lost masters

[captainbobbin]

Wondering what you think about XigDem. Especially considering the theory that Demyx is the Master of Masters theyd be an interesting dynamic with dumbass mentor x possibly mentally unstable student. Also the dummy’s were my second ship when I joined this hellfire of a fandom

(referring to this ship ask meme)

Makes Sense, Doesn't Compel Me - yet.

Admittedly, my knowledge on the Union Cross era of the KH lore is patchy at best. I really like what I've seen of Luxu and MoM but truthfully I have a few too many gaps in my familiarity of them to really imprint headcanons or specific feelings on them, if that makes sense.

In terms of just regular ol' Xigbar and Demyx, I like them both seperately and together! I think its pretty cute and an easygoing kinda lazy mentor-playful student kind of vibe (which from what I've gathered is essentially flipped on its head with the MoM theory haha). I like Xigbar being kind of lackadaisical due to his age and experience and resigning himself to just having a good time where he can while he can, and Demyx is pretty fun company that doesnt ask too many questions. Their personalities feel like they line up interestingly, but it feels very much like a temporary 'relationship' rather than anything lasting or that would leave an imprint, especially on Xigbar. Very much a fling that goes on a little too long and is a friends-with-benefits hangout-and-see-what-happens kind of thing to me!

I need to go back and rewatch a lot of the MoM stuff and I'm really interested in what reveals may come from this entire section of the series. Demyx deserves more screentime and Xig is probably my 3rd fave Org member behind Saix and Xemnas so its always a treat to see what hes getting up to haha. I like XigDem but I don't have any particular deep thoughts on it just yet, but perhaps soon after I re-familiarise myself with the more conspiracy side of things! :)

#ask #ship meme #xigbar #demyx #xigdem

[waterdanced]

alright, folks, strap in for another theory rambling from syd: demyx edition

what we know about demyx:

not much

(that's, like, partially facetious but also true. all we really know is that he's connected to some ancient keyblade legacy. on top of that, though, there are some observations we can make:)

his death in kh2 has him in a weird pillar of light only shared slightly with xigbar

i trust him when he says he's not a scientist

his title is the melodious nocturne in en and nocturnal poem in jp

his element is water, which has been heavily associated with darkness as a metaphor in kingdom hearts

now, let's set aside demyx for a second to discuss the master of masters — and no, this theory isn't one of those theories about them being the same or whatever. i have taste.

the landi lodge on youtube posits that the master of masters may very well be light itself, and i'm inclined to agree; the fact that he says "the truth is what you see with your eyes, not what you hear," only for the screen to flash with light when his name is blanked from being heard is almost evidence enough, but compound that with my outdated theory about him being kingdom hearts itself... i feel it makes sense. what we also know about the master of masters is that he once had friends in a time long ago who fell in another keyblade war, and darkness is his long-time enemy.

there is also a lot of christian imagery going into mom and the foretellers, given the seven deadly sins and whatnot. i promise this is relevant.

one more important detail: one of the thirteen true darknesses is currently unaccounted for.

now, let's get back to demyx and what i think about him:

let's take one possibility for his true name, edym, and consider that it's an alternative spelling of adam. adam was created by god, famously known as a being of light.

let's consider that edym — possibly like luxu, possibly like the foretellers, if you let me be very insane — may very well have been a creation of the master of masters in an era long past. they may be connected in a way without being the same person. consider edym as a prototype replica (which would work narratively given all his talking points and plot involving the replicas), maybe even with, somehow, a piece of the master in him to kickstart his existence — sort of similar to the concept of a nobody. it would explain his light pillar at death, and it would explain his haha, yeah, no dismissal of being a scientist. it would also explain his ancient keyblade legacy. it might even explain why he knows nobodies do have hearts, which no one is aware of canonically.

consider him one of mom's original friends, thought lost in the war. consider him becoming a vessel for the missing darkness and how that would be such a painful insult and personal attack to the master of masters while also explaining his affinity for water, so often linked to darkness. it would also explain the nocturne/nocturnal part of his titles, given that nothing else about demyx really fits that description whereas most of the others at least fit who they're assigned to.

there is also the fact that vexen comments about "men like us, men of science," when speaking to demyx... which is certainly not accurate for vexen's perception of demyx. but consider that vexen/even has displayed a very sharp intuition before in being able to tell that ventus is a heart of pure light, so perhaps he's picking up on something about demyx's past and true nature.

this would all even, in a way similar to how xigbar set off mom-similarity warning bells in others before that reveal, explain what similarities are there between demyx and the master.

i've talked about my theories for luxord and how those would put him around the missing link era, but i don't think mom's original era would be mentioned if it wouldn't also be relevant. demyx having a personal connection to the master of masters would add another layer to the way he's often seen with xigbar, as well.

and all this said, demyx could still very well have ended up quadratum, thus making him a duo with luxord still despite being from different eras.

i hope all of this makes sense. i could definitely spend more time on it to make it more cohesive, but... this is what y'all get.

#ooc. ♪ #theories. ♪

[superdorkcat]

#kingdom hearts #demyx #kh poll #poll #polls

[nicedracula]

how did the reveal of xigbar's true identity affect your opinions on him? were you a fan of xigbar before we knew he was luxu?

i'm very curious about this because i didn't really care for him much before finishing kh3, but that revelation completely shattered the way i used to view that character and now he has jumped to becoming one of my favorites hahaha!

Oh man. Putting my long-winded response under the cut haha

Well, first and foremost, I was a big fan of demyx waaaay back in middle school. Seems unrelated, but by virtue of that, I liked any character with some sort of connection to him. Days released, and him being buddies with Xigbar lead to me being more interested in his character. So I got attached to Xigbar as well, bbs released and he appeared as Braig and I got even more intrigued. Definitely shot up to being one of my top 5 favorites.

I finally got around to kh3 earlier this year and going in, I brushed up on all the lore. I remember Xigbar being one of the primary candidates for the "____ is secretly MoM" theories, and was super on board for it. I also had some forewarning that lore from khux was going to be somewhat important in kh3, so I was definitely keeping an eye out for any hints of that. The weird cutaway scene of him in Olympus with the black box made me solidly think, "oh yeah, this is it, I'm so right. He's gonna be MoM". Then got to the epilogue, heard his voice when picking up the gazing eye. And I remember thinking, "YES. I'M RIGHT. HERE IT IS." AND THEN...I was wrong, haha. And I felt so dumb expecting MoM when Luxu made way more sense.

And I prefer him being Luxu waaaay more. It makes him more interesting, and a lot more complex than is expected from kh characters. And I love a good reveal that makes me go back and comb over past games and see all the little bits of foreshadowing. Again, something absolutely not expected from a kh game. The things that made me think he was MoM, such as similar mannerisms and sharing almost the same exact animations? So much more interesting that he's mimicking his mentor figure, be it consciously or subconsciously. And also seeing the sweet, timid guy and being like, wait...that's who you used to be? How did you get here??

TL;DR, was a big fan of him since I was like, 13. And seeing him getting more and more lore has made me so happy. And it's a little strange, honestly, to see a character I've loved since for so long get more development that's made him even more of a favorite. I'm glad to see it's garnered more fans for my favorite gunslinging surfer dude. :]

#anonymous

[softichill]

One of my favorite kingdom hearts theories ever is the Demyx is MoM one.

'Cause like. Sure there's not a ton of supporting evidence, but there's also nothing that proves it wrong either

#Cricket chirping #Kingdom hearts #demyx #master of masters #They have a slightly similar sense of humor #And speak with a similar tone of voice #If Demyx really is lazy and uncaring then how did he get a human-like intelligent nobody that could potentially hold memories? #And what could prove that he might NOT be MoM? Nothing. Checkmate #/hj