#deltarune theories

[mirror-ralsei]

waterfall statue: hello i am an unexplained horned statue connected to asriel and memory in some way

*3 years later*

ralsei: hi i am a cute horned not-asriel! im going to sing a song about not forgetting! for no particular reason did you know my kind can be turned into statues?

me:

#ralsei #deltarune theory #undertale theory #ralsei deltarune #deltarune theories #preview for incoming speculation in 3. 2--

[radiant-vulpine]

A post about TENNA & MIKE, and why they matter. (Official Deltarune Analysis)

So this is a post I'm doing since I've heard a couple people outright brush off Tenna's big reveal in Sweepstakes, treating Mike as a primary antagonist, despite Toby trying to make it clear this isn't the case. So, this post is going to go into WHY this bothers me, what I think about Tenna and Mike outside of Vision Crew, etc. 1 - Mike is likely a mutual ally to Spamton I've seen a hell of a lot of people making Mike their primary antagonist even after the Sweepstakes lore reveals. This is something I can forgive if a project predates it, as it's EXTREMELY difficult to rewrite things like that. But, when you make a new project, it's a good idea to look into what we know about Mike through dialog. - Spamton knows him - He's associated with TV - ... That's essentially it? Usually, yes. But with Sweepstakes, we've learned another piece of crucial information. Mike is NOT the Cathode Screen. Mike is someone being protected from the "Cathode Crew."

So Mike's not the TV?! Then who the hell is? ... Well, a new character was revealed and namedropped similarly to Mike during the Sweepstakes. Out of nowhere... 2 - Who is Tenna?

We don't know very much about "Tenna." At all, really. The ONLY thing we know is a name and potential affiliation. Spamton shows disdain towards them, if the URL is him. So everything from beyond here is very speculative.

So... in the game, the TV is referred to as a lot of things.

We know Spamton kinda wants to wring this guy's neck. Almost every reference he makes towards TV is given negative connotation.

Personally, my working, NON VC theory is... 3 - Mike is our secret boss, Tenna is our main boss. This is a little bit of a shot in the dark, very very dark actually. It's like throwing a rock into an abandoned mineshaft. But, there's a few things that make me think this way. - Mike being on the run means he may be hidden away somewhere out of sight. - Tenna is the only character whose name is overtly connected to the TV, who is tied to being an antagonist. - Mike & Tenna as a word combination forms a sort of wordplay. None of these things are points, this last little segment is a bit more of a tangent with VERY loose thoughts that are most likely a shot in the dark. So, in summary... I think making Mike a primary villain is silly. Of course, I can't stop you! Feel free to do your own thing with it. Most of my favorite takes actually have Mike instead of Tenna... But, I'd really suggest looking into the lore given through Sweepstakes. It's the only real peek we have at Chapter 3 that isn't development info from the Newsletter!

#deltarune chapter 3 #speculation #theory #deltarune theories #deltarune #tenna deltarune #mike deltarune

[neblosinha]

I believe Deltarune's symbol is a fragmented heart.

#deltarune #utdr #deltarune theories #deltarune theory

[lilybug-02]

Whats your opinion on specific possible knights. Papyrus being the knight. Noelles mom being the knight. Gerson being the knight. Asriel being the knight. And, finally berdly or burger pants being the knight.

I'll be honest, I have really no clue. There's definitely a narrow amount of possibilities. Let me check I think I made a list at one point- ha!

Noelle's Mom is a newer contender. But these guys are my top. I think it would be super interesting if the Knight was a new character though.

#took me way too long to find this photo #bread #ask stuff #deltarune #deltarune theories #the knight

[quadrantadvisor]

I know this has been said before but licherally

#undertale #utdr #like i know that none of them are actually perfect but it seems too specific to not be intentional #and seam even actually makes sense as being connected to gaster but rouxls?????????? #deltarune #gaster #deltarune theories #seam deltarune #gaster undertale #chara undertale #rouxls kaard #my rambles #i really didn't need to use this many tags but I'm not taking them off #because tbh I have no explanation so maybe somebody out there does #edit: the other thing that faacinates me is that chara and rouxl's expressions actually look more similar to Uboa's than to Gaster's #heck they look more like Uboa than Gaster does and we all accepted that that was an intentional reference so #which leaves Seam as the outlier whose face resembles mystery man albeit with some of the features mixed up #this is going to drive me insane i know it #toby is trolling me and he's succeeding

[leafwateraddict]

Been doing nothing but listening to deltarune theories for the past few days because I felt like I need to refresh my knowledge. Im actually going fucjing insane if Papyrus is the knight I might actually explode

#deltarune #deltarune theories #papyrus #papyrus deltarune #WHERE IS MY BOY #I MIGHT ACTUALLY CRY #WHY THE FUCK WAS HE BEHIND THE TREE ON THE SKIRT TOBY #TOBY #WHAT THE FUCK TOBY #papyrus is the knight #HES GOTTA BE #WHY ELSE WOULD HE BE BEHIND A TREE #leaf posts

[spyret-the-shitposter]

i think the most interesting part about the title “find her” for the red guitar song is that it implies that it’s not something that will happen. it’s something you have to make happen. like the steps to unlocking a secret boss fight.

maybe it’s steps throughout the chapters. you have to do something out of the ordinary every day. like maybe it’s going to see onionsan, or fulfilling mettaghost’s entertainment request.

it’s just like finding gaster/the mystery man in undertale. you don’t just happen upon a lost girl. you have to go looking for her.

#deltarune #deltarune theories #theories #dess holiday #december holiday #december deltarune #dess deltarune #find her #*It’s a red guitar.

[noveratus]

You know, it's quite funny that one of the most probable theories regarding this franchise right now is that Sans Undertale isn't from undertale at all and is actually from Deltarune, just stuck in Undertale, making him Sans Deltarune actually. That's kind of hilarious.

#deltarune #deltarune theories #deltarune spoilers #undertale spoilers #spoilers #undertale #sans #sans undertale

[jam-n-jay]

Ok I'm putting this out there purely because I want to have it recorded in case my batshit insane theory comes true

I think in Deltarune it's gonna be revealed that Entry 17 wasn't simply an entry but also a message being sent across worlds. Viewing it in the context of a message makes the ending line "what do you two think?" make a lot more sense because if it was addressing lab partners or something why the hell would he put that IN the log. But who would he be sending the message to?

What if it was Sans and Papyrus, while they were still in the world of Deltarune. HEAR ME OUT. There's a lot of potential evidence that could suggest Sans and Paps being from the world in Deltarune (if you haven't seen those theories just research it yourself there are tons of good videos/fan resources and stuff) and in addition there's ALSO some evidence that Papyrus actually knows more than he seems to know the surface, so it's not inconceivable that he would be in on a prospective trans-dimensional scientific collaboration. We already know Sans has some knowledge of space time semi-meta shit and there's of course the basement lab with the broken machine behind their home.

What if, through that machine or some other method, they corresponded with Gaster and told him about the Dark Fountains, which led him to the experiments he talks about in Entry 17. Perhaps the mechanics of determination just work differently across worlds, or maybe there were some other fatal errors. Regardless of what happened exactly, it caused Gaster to fall into a Dark Fountain, and he got scattered through space and time. That would explain why we see his influence primarily in the Dark World, and why when we are contacted by him at the start of Deltarune it's in the Depths that we see inside each Dark Fountain.

Why he is doing what he is doing, and what his exact goals and motivations are is beyond me but I honestly am fairly confident in this theory as crazy as it is and I really want to put it out there so just in case it ends up happening I can point to this and go "SEE SEE I WAS RIGHT I GOT IT I CALLED IT"

#deltarune #deltarune theories #wd gaster #gaster #utdr

[friskasreblogblog]

Hello here again with another episode of “this theory is kinda silly”, but assuming the Cathode Crew is a thing, that Tenna is the boss, and they are potentially based on TVs? I’m calling Mike being based on radios (or a microphone) and murdered

Because video killed the radio star

#I feel this is probably a popular theory already #and heck I’m sure this specific joke has already been made #but I wanted it to be here for posterity #also I just really wanted to make the joke okay #deltarune theories #Deltarune #spamton sweepstakes

[weatherdotpng]

The eyes in the chair gif jumpscare are the same ones in the basement.

What else is in the basement?

Wall plugs. Electrical sockets that look at you and jump out at you like chain chomps. Who was terrified of electrical sockets and wires as a young kid, thinking they were looking at her?

Noelle. Where is the blue chair from the eye jumpscare?

Rudy Holiday’s hospital room. Noelle’s dad.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN. WHY ARE SPAMTON’S GLASSES REVERSED COLORS OF THE EYES IN THE BASEMENT. WHO DID HE STEAL THAT LOOK FROM. WHAT DOES IT MEAN.

#deltarune #deltarune theories #IM ABOUT TO BRING OUT THE RED STRING CONSPIRACY BOARD. IT’S ALL CONNECTED. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!?

[neblosinha]

As I was looking for this pic of Kris' rug inside their dark world room, my husband pointed out that the order of the colors (of the triangles) are inverted.

In the prophecy, Kris comes first, Susie second, and Ralsei third. The rug shows Susie first and Kris second, which made him realize that the whole room is inverted.

I've seen some people pointing that Kris room is actually Asriel's side, my husband included, but it's the first time we pay attention to the rug.

#deltarune #utdr #utdr theory #utdr theories #deltarune theories #deltarune theory #beware of the rug

[lilybug-02]

Is there a reason Papyrus and Ralsei aren't crossed out in the knight prediction list?

Ohohoho tbh I don't know :) (I made this like 1 year ago)

Raslei is sus as hell. Him being the knight is still on the fence (very high though).

and tbh I couldn't see Papyrus as the knight in a story sense... the concept is cool, but we have yet to see him and he seems chill u_u

#bread #deltarune #deltarune theories

[imaginary-zero]

Future dark worlds

So I think most people have noticed by now that the two major Dark Worlds we've been to so far in Deltarune had double-doors as their entrances from the Light World. This is also clearly significant based on the door to the computer lab being changed when chapter 2 dropped. So I decided I wanted to analyze the different double-doors I found throughout Hometown and talk about why I do or don't think they might be future Dark Worlds. (this is gonna be LOOOOONG and also I'm definitely not the first or best one to do this but I think it'll be fun lol. Also I'm going to explain things as if the reader is caught up on all the major confirmed lore, the Spamton Sweepstakes stuff, the cancelled alarm clock app, and whatnot)

So I'm analyzing these options based on a few things: -Lore significance (if a location is significant to the overall lore of the world, both known and mysterious. So basically if it has something to do with Gaster, parallels to Undertale, potential exploration of character backstories, etc.) -Narrative weight (The impact a dark world in this location would have on the story, emotional or physical impacts on characters, previous foreshadowing, and if it would be sastisfying, important, or fascinating to the player) -Known contents (Do we know what's behind those doors? If the answer is no, then the possibility of it being a future Dark World is higher. It was very deliberate that we weren't allowed to enter the computer lab in Chapter 1) -Vibes (do I feel like this is something Toby Fox would do? Do I feel like the story is going in this direction? my own opinion and nothing more) -Isekai victims (would anyone potentially get sucked into the Dark World upon its creation? If so, who?)

So let's go over the possibilities I've found.

The second-floor door in Asgore's flower shop. -Lore significance: Asgore was heavily important to UT. Comparisons between UT!Asgore and DR!Asgore have already been made via his intro. He seems to have made some mistake that got him removed from the police force, so that could be a plot point that this story explores. Narrative weight: Yes, it would harken back to Undertale's ending. This would emotionally impact Kris, as Asgore is their father. Also, depending on how Chapter 3 pans out, Toriel might get involved as well. Known contents: Nada. The door is locked and Asgore says nothing about it. Vibes: Very much feels like something that would happen. Isekai victims: Asgore himself. Probably not any customers since the door is locked and the Knight or whoever would probably shut the door behind them, as it did with the other two.

The Church. -Lore significance: Worships an Angel, quite possibly the same Angel from the Legend ("three heroes appeared to banish the Angel's Heaven"). -Narrative weight: The Dreemurr family went to Church often in the past so this may affect Kris in some way. Also a lot of Alvin's words smell like foreshadowing -Known contents: Nope. The door is blocked by NPCs in both chapters so far. This feels very deliberate; it's not just locked, access is being actively denied to you by other characters. -Vibes: Strong yes vibes -Isekai victims: Father Alvin. Monster kid? (wears a cross). Any other church goers

The graveyard by the Church. This is technically a gate and not a door, the view of it is to the side, so in order for this to work the Dark World entrance animation would have to be different, or the Dark World would have to be created with our protagonists already there. Still, I've seen a lot of talk about this one being a possibility, so I wanted to give it the time of day. -Lore significance: It's near the lore-important Church. Possibly-important dead characters who were also dead in Undertale are buried there. The idea of this does make me wonder though, is it even possible to open a dark world outside? What are the ramifications of that? -Narrative weight: It would harken back to UT's True Lab and the amalgamates. Also Noelle's Ice-E pizza box story might be foreshadowing? -Known contents: Yes. You can enter the graveyard as early as Chapter 1. However, there are some as-yet unseen things there. Namely, the things underground. -Vibes: Idk, how much do you want to lean into Oberon Smog territory? (/lh, no shade to Jaru, i like that theory even if i don't necessarily believe it whole-heartedly). I keep going back and forth on this one, but you caught me on a "maybe" day. -Isekai victims: Father Alvin, Shyren, Snowy, maybe the Wet-Nosed Bandits?

The Bunker, AKA the bane of every Gaster-denier's existence. -Lore significance: It would take five goddamn paragraphs to explain lmao -Narrative weight: see previous statement -Known contents: One of the biggest mysteries -Vibes: Mixed bag. On the one hand, it would be very Toby Fox if we never got to see the inside of the bunker. On the other hand, I don't seriously think he's THAT much of a tease. -Isekai victims: Not sure. Whoever's down there, I suppose. The thought has crossed my mind before that there might already be a fountain down there, but I'd have to seriously think on that some more.

The Hospital -Lore significance: Unsure -Narrative weight: Rudy's failing health and the impact that would have on Noelle if he got worse or died (and we know he died in UT's universe). And if our choices to matter in regards to Berdly's fate or health, that could also be impactful. Noelle villain/redemption arc? -Known contents: Yes, we can enter in both available chapters. There aren't any hidden rooms or locked doors inside as far as we know either. -Vibes: Maybe. It would expand on Noelle and her family if that's going to continue being important (which is likely because Dess). How much can be done with a hospital theme though? (says the person with infinitely less creativity than Toby) -Isekai victims: Rudy, Mouthface (idk what their actual name is), whoever is in the east wing on that particular day (might tie in with events from the previous chapter or Weird Route?)

The school's entrance/main hall -Lore significance: meh -Narrative weight: We've already had a dark world in the school, though further in. Is this necessary? -Known contents: Yes; it's literally one of the first places you see in the game -Vibes: Seems unneeded and redundant, but I wanted to consider it, however briefly, for the sake of thoroughness. -Isekai victims: All students, Alphys, Toriel (second round?)

the gates of hell Ice-E's P"E"zza -Lore significance: God I hope not but that one video by HalfBreadChaos at least got me thinking (here's a link if you don't know what I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftQNVAY6KeU ) -Narrative weight: Noelle's Ice-E trauma courtesy of Kris. Would also have minor connections to UT? -Known contents: Yes, it can be entered in Chapter 2. -Vibes: please no -Isekai victims: Pizzapants, all other employees, customers

The Holiday family's house. Much like the graveyard, this is a gate at an angle, so it doesn't quite fit the bill, but I still wanted to consider it. The front door to the house could also be a double-door for all we know but that's pure speculation. -Lore significance: Noelle's mother having icy vibes seems important in a deeper way. Noelle's potential status as an angel (or the Angel) also gives her lasting importance beyond chapter 2. -Narrative weight: It's important for a lot of characters. It's Noelle's home, Susie's heavily implied love interest's home, Kris' childhood friend's home. Kris has also been there in the past. It would have an impact on the player as well because a lot of players want to know more about the Holidays and Mayor Holiday's importancce and power has been heavily hinted at multiple times. -Known contents: We haven't been past the gate and know next to nothing about the house itself (I think the only thing we know is that there's a piano in there somwhere and that's not much) -Vibes: Seems plausible Isekai victims: Noelle and Mayor Holiday. Maybe Rudy if he's able to go home (unlikely).

The locked doors in the main hall of Ralsei's castle. -Lore significance: A Dark World inside a Dark World? Sounds like Roaring time to me. And consider: "But what if it could... get darker than dark?" Alternatively, this could just be Ralsei's way of entering Dark Worlds disconnected from his own (like Cyber World), and if that's the case then this would be less possible probably. -Narrative weight: We would be coming full-circle, with our adventure starting in the castle and a late-game dark world (because I think it would be late-game) being in the place where we began. It could also pose a threat to the Castle Town we've helped to create and populate (in a Mercy run). -Known contents: Nothing. It's locked for now (side-note, I'm kinda surprised Ralsei doesn't mention it or ask Ralsei why it's locked when you interact with the door. Just seems like something she would do. Or that Ralsei doesn't try to explain, like he does with the barred off staircase upstairs past the gang's rooms.) -Vibes: I can totally imagine this being the fountain that completely topples the balance of light and dark into Roaring territory. It would probably by chapter 7. However, I'm hesitant to say that I'm 100% confident in this, more like 75%. -Isekai victims: Anyone in the castle, really. And they'd probably all turn into stone pretty quickly. Which... happens to be a part of the Roaring prophecy.

Alright, so that's all of the candidates gone over. I think the two most likely candidates are Asgore's flower shop and the Church. Now it's time to discuss the most likely candidates, what order I think they'll come in, and how many more Dark Worlds we're going to visit. That last point might seem odd - there are five more chapters, so four more dark worlds not including chapter 3, right? Not necessarily. I forget who it was, but I remember a Deltarune YouTuber floating around the idea that chapter 4 might be an "intermission" of sorts. Basically a chapter where we don't get a new Dark World. Instead, we just explore and hang out in Hometown with Susie and visit Castle Town. I really like this idea, but it's pure speculation as of now (Speaking of, this is the pure speculation part of this theorycrafting session, so keep that in mind). I can also imagine chapter 7 going one of two ways. Either a particularly bad dark fountain gets opened for the climactic dark world, or there are multiple dark fountains opened and we need to deal with several smaller dark worlds in the final chapter. In the former case, the dark fountain would either have to get out of control very quickly, or it would have to be created in such a way or location that the darkness would immediately overflow. In the latter case, there being multiple dark worlds open at once would cause the balance to shift. Maybe we'd have a time limit in which we have to close them all, or maybe we're too late no matter what we do.

So, with all that out of the way, I'm going to present a few formats that I think the future chapters could take. Due to the unknown variables, I will be doing so in a convenient, hastily cobbled-together two-way table that I made in Google docs.

Which one of these do I believe the most? ...eh, take your pick, honestly.

They all have their plusses and minuses, their points and their flaws. I don't want to get attached to any of these ideas either, since any number of rogue elements could prove me wrong once we get the next three chapters.

Since I kinda need something to close out this post which is more impactful and thought-provoking than that indecisiveness, I guess I should address something I mentioned in the beginning. I posited that maybe the bunker already has a dark world inside of it. Evidence to this point includes: -it plays the Entry Number 17 music slowed down (dark, darker, yet darker) (dark world cell phone audio) -many aspects of its design and vibe are prime dark world potential -Kris seems to know something about the bunker, so if you believe Kris-Knight or that Kris has been to Dark Worlds in the past, this could have merit (I'm not sure how much I believe those theories, but still, food for thought) -It would just be really cool

However, there is a massive flaw with this idea: Ralsei. He claims that the balance of light and dark is shifted by the creation of another dark fountain, and then in chapter 2, he says that he "felt a dark presence" and came to Cyber World to help Kris and Susie. Therefore, he would almost certainly know if there was an active dark fountain in the bunker, and he would have mentioned it by now (it's not the kind of thing you can neglect to mention due to there not being a good opportunity). And I doubt he would be unable to feel the dark presence due to it being too far away or something.

The only way for the bunker to already have a dark world in it and for it to make sense for Ralsei to not bring it up is if he does know and is actively keeping it a secret. Either because he is working with the person making these dark fountains (or at least the bunker fountain), or because that one is actually good to have around... somehow?

I'm a lot more hesitant to accept "Ralsei evil" than some people are, so this doesn't really compel me. So, much like every UT/DR theory I've ever come up with by myself, it looks solid at first but falls apart if you point in its direction too assertively. Still, it made me think. Never hurts to consider this kind of thing.

And with those four hours gone, hopefully I'll be able to think about something else again. Sorry if it's bad Tumblr etiquette for my first post ever to be something so heinously long, I'm new to this lmao. To all 3 people who made it this far in this monster of a post, congratulations for surviving my ramblings.

May the hymn of the Angel sing thee to thy rest.

#deltarune theories #deltarune #probably unoriginal #dark world

[talentedclown]

this might be an unpopular opinion but i rlly dont like the fact that the player is so villianized by deltarune theorists like they weren't supposed to have a vessel 😭

the "ur choices don't matter" affects quite everyone in the game

this is just me though!! i mean, i would love to hear u guys' opinion on this. (this is not intended to somehow "justify" the player deciding to do the weird route btw, i personally think they are the villian in that case)

#deltarune #deltarune theories #gaster #susie #kris #kris deltarune #susie deltarune #ralsei deltarune #ralsei #determination