#daemon × nettles

[mejcinta]

The Bias Problem with HotD Relationships and Character Dynamics.

I have a big problem with how HoTD goes out of its way to make otherwise good Fire and Blood relationships bad just for spectacle sake and to shame certain characters while elevating others as the 'better' choice.

You see this with Laena and Daemon's show! marriage where they're miserable, and Rhaenyra is presented as this eternal love that Daemon will abandon his wife's memory for in a heartbeat during her own funeral. Just note that in the book Daemon's motive for marrying Laena wasn't clear, but Laena wasn't described as being miserable in her marriage. In fact, Daemon was quite loving and caring, even to her death day.

Also, when it comes to parenting, notice how Daemon is positioned all over the Strong boys and not Baela and Rhaena. He's not even uttered a single word to teen Baela and Rhaena directly in season 1.

Furthermore, Aegon and Helaena are very different in the show, with the emphasis being put on Aegon's infidelity instead of how he navigates his, need I say 'free', marriage with Helaena. It was always interesting how in the book Helaena seems hyper aware of his actions and responds with sass to people demanding she discover where Aegon is. It was not uncommon for princes to behave the way Aegon did in his marriage, but Aegon's conduct is treated as a unique case and a blemish on his character and Helaena's on the show, where even Daemon and his whores are offered more grace. The Dyana situation did not help their portrayal either.

And let's not forget Viserys and Alicent's marriage. Whereas in the book Viserys is said to do all that he could to please BOTH Alicent and Rhaenyra, the show hammers in the point that Viserys cares jack shit about Alicent. Even what he does to 'please' her, like letting Alicent choose who Helaena should marry instead of Rhaenyra, is never shown explicitly as an effort he makes to appease his wife. "I'm going to bed, Aemma" was also a painful and invented callback to Cersei and Robert's miserable marriage, despite of Alicent and Visery's marriage in the book and show being radically different from Cersei and physically abusive Robert.

Moreover, Viserys is somehow not allowed any scenes with his children with Alicent. Aegon and him especially have not spoken in depth at all, yet Aegon is the male heir he's always wanted and was willing to sacrifice his first wife Aemma for. And no, Visery's hostile interrogation of Aegon in ep 7 doesn't count as an interaction. Meanwhile, we have countless scenes of Viserys with Rhaenyra and Daemon.

On the family front, everyone that's NOT Viserys, Daemon or Rhaenyra look like losers.

Additionally, it goes without saying that ALL these changes have served to elevate Rhaenyra and Daemon as the ideal union and dynamic on the show. The general audience that have not read the books often see them as the symbol of an ideal couple and the media continues pushing this narrative as well.

All this leaves me wondering: what changes and sacrifices will they make with Nettles or even Alys and Aemond to maintain this image of Rhaenyra and Daemon that they have constructed and elevated as the ultimate power couple at the expense of other Fire and Blood relationships?

You know it is still possible to have other couples shine in their own right, and have their merits much as they are flawed...without taking from another couple. I don't think Ryan and Co believe in this concept, though. That is why other characters and their dynamics with others have been and will be compromised.

#hotd critical #laena velaryon #alicent hightower #helaena targaryen #rhaena targaryen #baela targaryen #aegon ii targaryen #aemond targaryen #house of the dragon #fire and blood #alys rivers #nettles #daemon × laena #viserys and alicent #helaegon #alysmond #dettles #daemon × nettles

[amuelia]

Daemon Targaryen and Nettles / Aemond Targaryen and Alys

#asoiaf #fire and blood #daemon targaryen #aemond targaryen #nettles #alys rivers #valyrianscrolls #a song of ice and fire #my art #2024

[atopcat]

Super worried about how they’re going to handle Nettles, my only hope is that the show makes parallels between how Daemon groomed teenage Rhaenyra to how he interacts with another teenage girl.

I want a scene where Rhaenyra realises the kind of monster Daemon has always been. This man would openly insult his “bronze bitch” older wife whilst fawning over his 14 year old niece. She’s the new Rhea Royce whilst Nettles is the new her, that realisation should hit like a ton of bricks.

Would honestly add so much more nuance to the story rather than it being Angry Wife vs. Teenage Mistress.

#rhaenyra targaryen #nettles #team black #Rhea Royce #house of the dragon #hotd #hotd meta #anti daemyra #anti daemon targaryen #hotd spoilers #asoiaf meta #1k #valyrianscrolls

[bohemian-nights]

People really are missing the point of a character like Nettles. Being the a non-Valyrian dragonrider is what makes her different(in every positive definition of that word) and helps to serve a larger purpose in this story.

Valyrian blood is not special. It’s not needed to do great things. No one is special because of what family they happen to be born into.

A non-Valyrian Nettles shows that we are more than the circumstances which we are born into. Our birth, our names, and our very blood does not define us. Our actions are what do. We can overcome so much and rise to become absolutely extraordinary with a little bit of determination, patience, and a dash of help along the way. Nettles exemplifies that to the fullest extent.

She's more than a Black Valryian. She doesn’t have to be Valyrian. She shouldn’t have to be Valyrian.

She’s a survivor. She’s a final girl. She’s a Black low-born girl likely without a drop of dragons blood that tames a wild dragon with patience that killed countless others who had dragons blood. She survived the Dance where others high and low alike fell and perished to become a firewitch to the Burned Men.

Her legacy is immortalized in the history books(and by the Burned Men cause they still worship her) as one of the last(if not the last) dragonrider(s) before Dany all without having any known Valyrian ancestry.

#nettles doesn’t need Valyrian blood to be great #nettles #hotd #hotd spoilers #nettles asoiaf #nettles f&b #hotd fandom critical #bncommentary #hotd commentary #nettles characterization #🐑🐉 #house of the dragon #netty #she’s not daemons kid guys #the dates don’t align for that but keep trying it #surprise surprise most of the ones cheering this crap on aren’t black themselves 🤦🏽‍♀️ #I see what’s happening here which is ironic because any other time she isn’t Black #but now she is because you can use that #how does having valyrian blood benefit nettles at all #how does it add to the story GRRM is trying to tell #she can be valyrian but it shouldn’t be requirement #that thinking is backwards #what did tyrion say? never forget who you are wear it proudly #nettles likely isn’t valyrian let’s be proud of her claiming a dragon without dragons blood #nettles is great because she’s nettles #no dragon blood required and I love that 🙌🏽

[lovedreamer11]

What kind of love affair are we talking about between Daemon and Nettles?

This man has a type. Think about the main women in Daemon's life. Hot in her youth Mysaria from Lys, Valyrian hot beauty Laena, Realm's Delight - Rhaenyra. Thin, dark-haired with crooked teeth and a scar on her nose, foul-mouthed Nettles, who grew up on the streets, did not know how to wash herself properly and how to use a comb, is somehow very different from the women listed above.

And besides, Daemon is GRRM's favorite Targaryen. He strives to give his favorite character the best. Daemon got an epic death, he was a legend, his children lived, his sons and grandsons were kings. GRRM also gave Daemon the most beautiful women. I would believe in a romance between Daemon and Nettles if Nettles was described as some kind of unrealistically beautiful demigoddess. I feel like if GRRM wanted to give Daemon a young lover, he would have created someone like Shiera Seastar rather than Nettles.

And why does young Nettles need a fifty-year-old married man who has daughters just a couple of years younger than Nettles herself?

I'm not sure that Daemon and Nettles were in a romantic relationship and that what was written in the chronicles was true. People often tried to describe Rhaenyra as worse than she actually was. Rhaenyra was constantly being followed, watching what she eats, who she communicates with, how she dresses, Septon Eustace tried to count how many times Rhaenyra had sex with Laenor, and Mushroom told everyone his sexual fantasies about Rhaenyra and assured that it was true. Rhaenyra was gossiped about and slandered in everything: her appearance, the sexual preferences of her first husband, the circumstances of the birth of her children. During the war, all possible gossip began to be created about her second marriage.

Then no. I definitely don't believe Daemon and Nettles were in love with each other.

#daemon targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #daemyra #nettles #team black #asoiaf #fire and blood #i mean only the book #not hotd

[daemonxnettles]

Maester Norren writes that "the prince and his bastard girl" supped together every night, broke their fast together every morning, slept in adjoining bedchambers, that the prince "doted upon the brown girl as a man might dote upon his daughter," instructing her in "common courtesies" and how to dress and sit and brush her hair, that he made gifts to her of "an ivory-handled hairbrush, a silvered looking glass, a cloak of rich brown velvet bordered in satin, a pair of riding boots of leather soft as butter." The prince taught the girl to wash, Norren says, and the maidservants who fetched their bath water said he oft shared a tub with her, "soaping her back or washing the dragon stink from her hair, both of them as naked as their namedays."

Fire & Blood🔥

#nettles #dettles #daemon x nettles #daemon targaryen x nettles #daemon targaryen #netty #nettles x daemon #nettles asoiaf #nettles f&b #asoiafedit #hotdedit #nettles fancast: Sophie Wilde #hotd #bnedit #bngifs #house of the dragon

[lady-clouves]

Daemon and Rhaenyra’s relationship not only embodies what a grooming relationship looks like but also with how it progresses once the minor grows up. Not every person who was groomed is going to admit that it happened to them because it make the situation so much more real. And sometimes the person who was groomed doesn’t even realize that it happened to them until years down the line.

And the saddest part about their relationship and people who are in similar relationships in real life almost always go back. Because that person has been with them through their entire life and has quite literally seen them through thick and thin(even if the abuser was the cause behind it all) and it make the victim believe that the abuser could never be a bad person. We see that when Daemon celebrates Aemma and Baelon’s death by toasting Nyra’s brother as, “Heir for a day.”

Then Daemon goes on to steal the egg she chose for her brother and effectively take over Dragonstone-the castle of which she is now Princess of. And when he comes back to court after being away for four years at war she just forgives him since he’s the only person she has left at court. Even years later, when Harwin and Laena are both dead and Laenor is becoming increasingly depressed because of his sister’s death, Rhaenyra goes back to Daemon because she’s associated him with a relying hand who can help her at court.

She’s so convinced that he’s only looking after her to the point that when he starts an affair with teenage Nettles, all Rhaenyra thinks is that it must have been Nettles who ‘lured’ Daemon into her bed and sends word that she wants Nettles killed.

#I might have missed something but my point still stands #asoiaf #hotd #rhaenyra targaryen #anti daemyra #anti daemon targaryen #nettles asoiaf #anti nettlesxdaemon #queen rhaenyra #pro nettles getting far away from this family

[ride-thedragon]

To say something on the topic, it's one thing to not like the Daemon and Nettles romantic relationship plotline. You have every right. It's another thing, however, to reduce Nettles to that plot line and want to take away her entire narrative arc and give it to someone else or remove it (that doesn't make sense).

Daemon is not her father. You know why?

Because Nettles is most likely not Valyrian and Daemon was in the Stepstones at that time.

Daemon is also not her father because she's an adult who's lived alone her entire life. She doesn't need one.

Nettles isn't Rhaena, Baela or a COTF. You know why?

Because she simply isn't. There is not one inclination in the books that she is and in the show the only reason it's popular in the fandom is because you think black character are interchangeable and don't value their stories as individuals. Rhaena is already set up as the dragon rider she is in the books. Baela is already fighting. The five white children of Rhaenyra are never interchanged, but these three girls (one with no relation) are?

That doesn't make sense.

Daemon and Nettles were most likely romantic or sexual. You know why?

Because Daemon has a repeated pattern of behaviour. Something he repeats with Rhaenyra, Mysaria, and Nettles (even Laena to an extent)

Because Daemon is a weird man, and it's Westeros where weird men thrive. One of the arguments with her is literally that she isn't as young as the girls he slept with before. His morality isn't up for question.

Daemon would because she's a young dragonrider.

Nettles isn't going to be written out. You know why?

She's important to the narrative. One of George's favourite characters that he parallels with Daenerys, lives on past Daemon and exists before him, is one of the most anticipated adaptations and is the question in the narrative of Targaryens and their control over dragons.

I'm not going to argue on these points or even push them anymore. At this point, if it hasn't stuck, you're writing fanon and want it to be canon. I'm not gonna deter you all. Just leave her alone and write fan fiction. Or at least pretend to care about her outside of him.

#hotd #house of the dragon #nettles #nettles asoiaf #netty #a song of ice and fire #daemon targaryen #daemon x nettles #daemon x rhaenyra #because they have a huge part to play in this #not rhaenyra though #i love my problematic fave #i just dont like yall #nettles discourse

[redrosesandcharmingsouls]

If you think this world has something deeply wrong in it ,think about the fact that , in another universe , House of The Dragon is a musical.

#hotd #house of the dragon #alicent hightower #team green #criston cole #aemond targaryen #aegon ii targaryen #team black #Rhaenyra Targaryen #daemon targaryen #viserys targaryen #daeron targaryen #Nettles #aemma targaryen #rhaenys targaryen #corlys velaryon #helaena targaryen #rhaena targaryen #baela targaryen #laena valeryon #Sara Snow #Cregan Stark #Otto Hightower #Larys Strong #lyonel strong #harwin strong #lucerys velaryon #jace velaryon #hotd text

[acewithapencil]

The fall of King’s Landing to Queen Rhaenyra and her dragons (text from Fire & Blood)

#asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #fire & blood #fan art #my art #vermithor #silverwing #Sheepstealer #seasmoke #caraxes #syrax #hugh hammer #Ulf white #nettles #addam velaryon #daemon Targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen

[drakaripykiros130ac]

In response to the Nettles-obsessed fans who somehow found their way in my inbox with a very colorful language:

“A skinny brown girl on a skinny brown dragon.”

“[…] her teeth were crooked, her nose scarred where it had once been slit for thieving. Hardly a likely paramour for a prince, one would think.”

- Fire & Blood

I definitely agree with that last sentence.

As if the Valyrian beauty-obsessed Daemon Targaryen would ever consider this girl someone fit to share his bed. Those who actually believe that need to take some personal time to read the book and understand the Rogue Prince and his preferences.

The only fit woman for this Dragon Prince is a Dragon Queen named Rhaenyra Targaryen.

I am super done with this constant obsession over a common girl named Nettles for the sole reason that she is the only canon black character of the story. These people are acting as if her being black somehow entitles her to the charming, handsome, roguish white prince who should totally leave his wife for her (even though it goes against his character). The filth called “White women are evil and their white husbands should cheat on them with black women because they are clearly better” is one of the things very wrong with society these days.

Take a spoonful of common sense and leave the political agendas out of my inbox!

#These people are really making me despise Nettles #Nettles is plain and boring as far as I am concerned. She is not the only Dragonseed who claimed a dragon. She is nothing special. #So go cry about it. Daemon is taken. #And Daemon is definitely not plain and boring material. He likes the classic looks: beautiful Valyrian girl with silver hair purple eyes #and pale white skin. Not to mention he likes women of power in either titles or gold. #team black #pro team black #canon daemon targaryen #canon rhaenyra targaryen #daemyra #canon asoiaf #fire and blood #anti nettles #queen rhaenyra #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #the dragon queen

[mejcinta]

As for the claims that Laena will be: unhappy in her marriage to Daemon; he will kill her to pursue his plan with/for Rhaenyra or that Laena will let Vhagar incinerate her to death... let's just wait and see what will happen next week first.

I know the producers have deviated from the book but some of y'all are getting way ahead of yourselves and Mysaria and Nettles haven't even had their turn yet, lol.

#hotd #house of the dragon #laena velaryon #daemon targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #mysaria #mysaria the white worm #nettles #daemon × laena #daemon × rhaenyra #daemon × mysaria #daemon × nettles #fire and blood #dance of the dragons

[thewitchqueenofharrenhal]

Daemon Targaryen ain’t shit and will never be shit but one of the few great things he did in his life was ensuring Nettles would get to leave the war safely and live.

#asoiaf #hotd #nettles #daemon targaryen

[visenyaism]

do u think nettles was daemons adoptive daughter or is this just targnation/team black propaganda and she’s just another one of his victims?

i think it was most likely a both situation like he did probably see her as a daughter figure a little bit but that was just. an element of the whole grooming thing instead of being like diametrically opposed to it

#asoiaf #laena and rhaenyra were also related to daemon and this did not stop him for grooming then #i don’t understand why people say well nettles was a daughter figure because like 1) that’s not how you treat a daughter #and 2) thinking of a random teenager as a daughter and taking them on a codependent riverlands bender is also still grooming to an extent?

[whitegownsandflowercrowns]

Theories I’ve Seen About HOTD Season 2 Rated

Rhaenyra will be the one to order Blood & Cheese but Daemon will take the fall for it, both immediately and to be remembered by history. 9/10. There is something about this theory that I just absolutely love. Maybe it’s the idea of Rhaenyra taking explicit action, maybe it’s the fact that it’s something that would cast her in a genuinely morally dubious light, maybe it’s just that one face Emma D’Arcy made in the trailer that made it look like Rhaenyra was ready for absolute murder. No matter what I think this is an intriguing theory that could very well happen.

Helaena will turn to Team Black. 5/10. The reason that this is exactly in the middle is because there are one or two right ways to do this…and about fifty million wrong ways to. You know what I would be down for? Helaena, who knows the pain of losing a son, cannot defend the way her family keeps justifying Lucerys’ death to herself, right as Baela and Rhaena realize that they are going to get tossed over for Rhaenyra’s sons no matter what happens. The girls team up and burn some shit down. Very unrealistic but I would love it.

Nettles will be replaced by Rhaena. -10/10. Please, please no, I am begging y’all not to do this. At best we’re taking away an interesting character, at worst we are turning Daemon into something he is very much not (and I say this as someone who hates the man).

Helaena is pregnant with/will give birth to Maelor. 8/10. This seems likely, and I am also begging for it to happen because I really don’t like the implications of a Maelor-less B&C…

Aegon & Aemond will fight over Helaena. 1/10. Please, no, I hate this. Feels very reductive towards all three of their characters.

Rhaenys will die this season. 8/10. Given the timeline this seems very likely. Her scenes in the trailer gave me some “wise mentor giving last bits of advice” vibes, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this is what leads to…

Rhaenyra goes completely mad this season. 7/10. The only reason this is rated slightly lower is because I agree with a lot of people that Rhaenyra’s death will be pushed back as far as possible, probably into the final season. Depending on how “mad queen” she goes, that could lead to a lot of viewers being frustrated with her, and I don’t see the writers going so hard so early. But I think we’ll at least start to see slips in judgment later in the season.

Otto Hightower dies. 8/10. This is absolutely something I can see happening in the season finale (we did have that clip in the teaser of Daemon seemingly beheading someone). This is the way I can see the show going “the Dance is getting really serious now.”

#house of the dragon #house of the dragon season 2 #house of the dragon theories #hotd theories #rhaenyra targaryen #daemon targaryen #blood and cheese #helaena targaryen #baela targaryen #rhaena targaryen #nettles #maelor targaryen #aegon ii targaryen #aemond targaryen #rhaenys velaryon #otto hightower

[kataraavatara]

i hate, hate, HATE when nettles “fans” say something along of “omg nettles got Daemon to leave his Valyrian wife for her 💅she’s just that girl” because IF (and I mean IF, because Daemon + Nettles is a highly contested claim within the text, so stop treating it as fact) IF Daemon and Nettles were together, this makes Nettles a victim, not some kind of girlboss. She is a teenager and he is an adult. “Haha she was so much better he left Rhaenyra for her” that is a tragedy, not a flex. How are you a “fan” of her character if you are cheering on something bad happening to her? The answer is you’re not, plain and simple. You do not care about her!!

#anti…do they have a ship name? dettles? naemon? netmon? #anti dettles #nettles and daemon #nettles #nettles F&B #fire and blood #daemon and nettles