#convict and disqualify

[curiosity-killed]

the one thing i will say on the Trump verdict is I'm seeing a lot of posts about basically "how can we let a FELON run for PRESIDENT (and/or vote)" which is making me feel very "don't make me tap the sign" about why folks who've been convicted of felonies also deserve the right to run for office/vote and how creating categories of people who are not allowed to run for office/vote is a great way to incentivize pushing political opponents (or members of marginalized groups) into those categories in order to disenfranchise and disempower them

#i do think he should be disqualified under the 14th amendment but that's...not really what this trial was about #and i just would like folks to be a teensy bit more mindful of what you're talking about when ur like #''we're going to let a FELON run for PRESIDENT'' #when like. if you get charged twice for having weed on you that could be a felony #(this is an oversimplification but like u get the point right. like US folks we know abt the injustice inherent in our ''justice'' system #and how historically that has & continues to be used to benefit folks just like trump #right? #like we know that folks convicted of felonies or formerly incarcerated people should not be excommunicated from the political system right? #it is important to me that us folks know this) #anyway this is my soapbox for the night #catch me next time when a) someone talks about how ADDICTS are inherently TERRIBLE or (more likely) b) ballet is portrayed stupidly in medi #personal

[prncssguya]

GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS. CONVICTED FELON DONALD TRUMP

#us politics #donald trump #convicted on all 34 counts of falsifying business records #🥳🥳🥳🎉🙏 #holy shiiiiiiit #shouldn’t he be disqualified from running for president?

[killa-trav]

pochettino saying he hasn't spoken to the chelsea owners in months is kinda going back to what i said after the 5-0 loss to arsenal, boehly is not the correct man to be owning a football club. if ur no longer speaking to the manager yet ur keeping him on then what's the point? ur clearly not happy hence no contact so sack him, mind u it's too late in the season to do anything but still

also chelsea's failures aren't just down to the mess higher ups, pochettino is a shit manager too u can't have a team that heavily reliant on one player (palmer) n play the way they did the other day

#chelsea's case is very interesting bc a) boehly technically has zero disqualifying factors #for the ownership n directors test bc he has the money n no unspent convictions #but also at the same time his character is not one that's fit and proper to own a club #n that's what my diss was about is that in english football #the regulations are just far too relaxed there's not enough governance/structure #the regulatory bodies don't do their job properly #n u have idiots like boehly like glazers etc etc who come in n ruin these clubs #yanited is more of a complex case in that the club is ruined #both w outdated training ground n stadium #but at the same time they can spend a fuck tonne in transfer windows #yet they are over £1bn in debt #but unlike other clubs they can survive purely bc of the profit that we make through tv revenue #ticket sale sponsors etc etc #also this topic is really interesting #like u don't realise how fucked football is in england #until u do ur own digging #reform needs to happen asap

[wilwheaton]

The five Justices in the majority opinion, however, went farther than necessary to insulate insurrectionists from being disqualified from federal elections. They didn’t just rule that states cannot disqualify Trump, or Presidential candidates, but rather that states cannot disqualify any insurrectionist candidates for federal office. The Justices gave all the power to a notoriously dysfunctional Congress to do so, even though Section Five did not explicitly make Congress the sole enforcing authority of Section Three. As in the Dobbs case that overturned 50 years of Roe v. Wade, the conservative principle of “judicial restraint” does not exist with this Supreme Court. Republicans like to blast “activist judges,” but as we see yet again, an “activist judge” is just someone who rules against you. Under the Supreme Court’s expansive ruling, a state is currently unable to disqualify a candidate for federal office who engaged in insurrection, even if that person has been charged and convicted of insurrection. Even a federal court would be unable to bounce an insurrectionist from the ballot absent a law enacted by Congress.

There's No Restraining This Activist Supreme Court

This SCOTUS needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt with actual Justices, instead of these unelected activists who are opposed by nearly 8 in 10 Americans.

The Courts are not going to save us. The Courts aren’t even going to enforce existing laws that were written to protect us. The Courts are actively working against Democracy and doing everything The Courts can do to hasten Fascism’s hold on the levers of power. Fascism has already come to America. It is taking root in every state that is under Republican occupation, urged on and enabled by this SCOTUS majority, and their ideological partners in the House and Senate. The only way we can stop this from spreading like a Zerg creep over all of America is to overwhelmingly put Democrats into office and then force them to act.

If Congress won’t do something to limit the grotesque abuses of power by people who don’t interpret the law, but make law from the bench, it will be up to America to rise up and demand action. 

I refuse to be ruled by 6 Christofascist Nationalists, and I refuse to sit quietly while people who have the legal means to do something throw up their hands and furrow their brows.

This is going to be our last election that matters, if we don’t.

I’m serious. If Trump somehow gets into the White House again, we will never have another election in my lifetime.

LISTEN TO ME: any vote that is not for Joe Biden is a vote to end Democracy in America. Any vote that is not for a Democrat is a vote to end Democracy in America. When I see people insisting they won’t support Biden or Democrats because they aren’t Left enough, I want to pull my hair out. The stakes are too high for all of us -- especially the most vulnerable among us -- to indulge temper tantrums.

It’s a very simple choice: you can vote for Biden and Democrats, or you can vote to turn America into a Christian Nationalist Theocracy, ruled by autocrats.

This will be our last free election, if Republicans are not resoundingly and forcefully rejected at all levels.

#uspol #scotus

[carbonmonoxide-detector]

Wait, I thought he was running for president again? How does that work now if he's been found guilty?

(European here who is very confused by what's happening)

Oh believe me you have every right to be confused, by all counts this should absolutely disqualify him from becoming president again or even running in the first place. However our decrepit and dusty ass Constitution does not disallow someone from becoming president if they are a convicted felon. In fact, the 14th ammendment is the only law I can find that would disqualify him but that's only if he's convicted of having instigated the Jan. 6 insurrection.

If anything this should inspire Congress to add an ammendment disallowing felons from holding office. But...the last time they ammended the Constitution was in fucking 1992 so fat chance on that

[unforth]

Friendly reminder that the reason that felonies don't disqualify someone from running for office is that if they did, that would massively incentivize jailing and convicting political enemies to remove them from the pool of potential elected officials.

As frustrating as it is that Convict Trump can still run for office, this is an important and necessary part of ensuring that the rule of law is separate from the US political process and if you're advocating for it to change please take three minutes to think about what the Republicans would do right now if they thought they could disqualify the evil left with felony convictions.

I hate Convict Trump but this is not a rule we should be changing.

If he wins he can have fun serving from prison - or, more likely, immediately play his dictator card and excuse himself. And thats terrible but becoming more like him will never fix what's wrong with the US. We must stand in opposition to what he represents at every moment and in every way, not embrace his fascism to protect ourselves from it. And even with it over turned he'll always be Convict Trump.

Preventing the weaponization of the law as a political tool is a major pillar of democracy, one that is already fucked to hell in the US given how its been weaponized already to create prison slavery, remove voting rights, etc. The last thing we need is to weaken it more. Even for the people we hate.

Convict Trump. Hehehe.

#unforth rambles #politics #uspol

[mariacallous]

Barring an act of God, Joe Biden will face Donald Trump in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. Despite the multiple criminal indictments and civil lawsuits filed against Trump since he left office, there is no legal mechanism capable of disqualifying him from running for president. Yes, Trump’s trial in a case involving allegations that he illegally paid $130,000 in hush money to an adult film actress is set to begin on April 15. But even if he is convicted and sentenced to an actual prison term before the vote in November, the only thing standing between the former reality TV star and a second stint in the Oval Office is the common sense of the American electorate. It is a check that failed in 2016, one that nearly failed in 2020, and one that may well fail again in 2024. The result largely depends on how many anti-Trump Americans actually take the trouble to vote.

[republicansaredomesticterrorists]

"We conclude that states may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office. But states have no power under the Constitution to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the presidency," the court said.”

#cowboys for Trump #republican assholes #traitor trump #crooked donald #traitor #resist #maga morons #Jan 6th insurrection

[is-the-owl-video-cute]

November, 2024, I am asking that Americans do not vote for any candidate actively participating in genocide. I don’t care what color tie the generic old white man wears, do not vote for Biden in 2024 if you care at all about combating state sanctioned genocide.

“Oh so you want us to vote Trump”

God willing and the creek don’t rise Trump will be disqualified from office due to being convicted of a felony. Circle back as well to where I said “not vote for any candidate actively participating in genocide” because you’ll never guess what Trump was also up to in office.

“So you just want people to throw their votes away and just give the election to republicans”

Can we please kill the “lesser of the two evils” mindset and the idea that there’s no point in voting for candidates you actually want? The reason independents don’t have a chance in an election is primarily just that everyone insists that you have a binary choice in every election, pick color red or blue. Don’t pigeonhole yourself into picking your favorite war criminals just because you fall into peer pressure enough to control your anonymous vote.

[who-do-i-know-this-man]

I made a mistake. Several actually. Several very severe mistakes. And this post isn't meant to make it all ok, I have accepted that many are rightfully mad at me, but I do hope that I can at least have some context to the mistakes I made and why I made them.

First let me say that I am privileged. That much is true. I am a white man in the american suburbs. I have the luxury of not only not being personally affected by many social issues but not even having to witness them. But I still want to be a good person. And part of that is learning about these social issues by talking and interacting with people online. But I'm still not perfect. I'm barely an adult and I have a lot of growing to do as a person. And hopefully with this in mind it will make some of the mistakes I will go over just a bit more understandable.

Back in mid march I made the submissions post for this blog, and did not expect to get as many as I did. I then spent a month taking as many submissions as I could and putting them in a list. All in all I ended up with over 2000 characters. From that alone it should be understandable why I couldn't research every one before releasing the bracket. I even ended up with many mistakes like incorrect labeling and duplicate characters.

However the first true mistake came later. I was making the poll posts themselves and I got to Lance. I knew I should have done something at the time but I didn't exactly know what. It was one poll and I was doing 16 polls per day minimum, but ideally double that so that I could have a backlog of posts. So I didn't spend as much time thinking about the issue as I should have and the conclusion I came to was that at the end of the day it was a fictional character, and if I properly content warning it it will be fine. Anyone who is sensitive to that imagery can block it. This is largely where my ignorance came in. While it may sound improbable to those who do know more I promise you I genuinely thought that I was doing no harm. And while I won't lie and say I am now a master in the topic now I do have a better understanding of the harm that this decision caused. Additionally my pride got to me. I am very proud of having "the biggest bracket on tumblr" but I had already had quite a few be disqualified for being duplicates or real people, so I didn't want to make the bracket any smaller and lose prestige. This was far from the main reason I kept him in, but it was morally wrong.

People's response to the original poll was mixed. There were people who immediately asked me to remove him, but others were on my side in saying that he should stay since he's a fictional character and his morals don't matter. So I defaulted to the stance I already had, and did nothing. This was a mistake. Above all else I should have prioritized everyone feeling safe and comfortable on my blog.

But the last night it was about an hour later then I should have been asleep and my brain was incredibly stupid, and things started to go down hill. I got the first ask in a while about Lance, and I decided to put an end to the issue. My way of doing this was doing a poll. In my mind this was my way of accounting for my ignorance. I don't know much about how severe this issue is, so I'll put it in the hands of people who did.

This poll also got mixed results. Some said I should just have the conviction to eliminate him myself, but others brought up things about that character I didn't know, like how he apparently has a character arc of learning fascism is bad, or that he has other visuals where he's wearing different outfits. I also got messages from fans of the series who thanked me for giving the character a chance. This made me feel comfortable in being a "neutral party". However with the notes I felt that I should "do this right" which unfortunately led to me doing the exact opposite.

I deleted the original poll, where 70% were in favor of disqualifying him. I didn't think it was a big deal since it had only been up a few minutes, but this was yet another mistake. I made a new poll, which included info that had been told to me since the previous poll. But the problem was that what I had actually written was not good. It was almost midnight at this point, so while I tried to remain a "neutral party" I ended up having the info show a very clear bias. And considering the character in question, people began to wonder why I was trying so hard to keep him in the poll. This led to many replies on the poll that began to overwhelm me. I was starting to realize the mistakes I had made and just how deep of a pit I had dug myself in. I panicked. I turned off replies and deleted all the ones on that were on the poll so that I could say everything I wanted to say interrupted. This backfired, and led to people going to the reblogs instead. And me deleting all the replies looked BAD. While I was trying to get the things I wanted to say out the post had spread. Spread even outside of the people who normally know this account. People who knew nothing of the history and structure of this blog, who thought that I had seen a character who was a Nazi and thought "sure come right in" and I was now trying desperately to keep him in.

This understandably made people very mad when that was their perception. Many many people were saying terrible hurtful things to me. Their heart was in the right place but even now I do not agree with the kind of harassment some stooped to. At this point I was in a full blown panic attack. Every bit of damage control dug me deeper into the pit. I decided that I needed to deal with this situation with a clear head so that I didn't make more mistakes in a panic. I deleted the poll about Lance's elimination and went to bed.

That brings us to this morning. I have announced that Lance is disqualified, and deleted the original poll containing him. I promise you all that I will try my hardest to prevent anything like this from happening again on my blog. I want to make things as right as I can. And I hope now you all will believe me when I say that I am not a Nazi, or an antisemite, I'm just a privileged idiot who made some dumb mistakes.

#long post

[centrally-unplanned]

Since I blogged on this before, with a unanimous vote the Supreme Court rejected Colorado's attempt to remove Trump from the ballot. It has a few provisions as to why but I think this is clear enough:

This case raises the question whether the States, in addition to Congress, may also enforce Section 3. We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office. But States have no power under the Constitution to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency.

if its a federal office, its regulated federally (Simple as).

However, there is a fun wrinkle! Sotomyer, Kagan, & Jackson dissent from some of the rationale:

Although only an individual State’s action is at issue here, the majority opines on which federal actors can enforce Section 3, and how they must do so. The majority announces that a disqualification for insurrection can occur only when Congress enacts a particular kind of legislation pursuant to Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment. In doing so, the majority shuts the door on other potential means of federal enforcement. We cannot join an opinion that decides momentous and difficult issues unnecessarily, and we therefore concur only in the judgment.

If you recall (you don't, why would you?), there was a split in the debate here, over whether Amendment 14, Section 3 *requires* an act of congress to label someone an insurrectionist, or if it is simply descriptive of that label, and other methods at the federal level - primarily the court system, a *conviction* of insurrection/treason by a federal or even military court - would also qualify. The three above believe the majority to be settling in favor of the former, saying that only acts of congress can qualify for the 14th (and they disagree). So it seems like this decision has limited the power of the courts, passing it to congress (though not fully, this is enough dissent that I think a challenge could work in the right context)

Pretty neat actually to see the exact distinction we discussed embedded in the actual decision, and confirmed to be in dispute ^^

Funnily enough Barret also dissents along this metric. But she can't directly concur with Sotomayor and co because she is a Republican and they are the enemy. And she also has this to say:

The Court has settled a politically charged issue in the volatile season of a Presidential election. Particularly in this circumstance, writings on the Court should turn the national temperature down, not up. For present purposes, our differences are far less important than our unanimity: All nine Justices agree on the outcome of this case. That is the message Americans should take home.

Much apolitical, so judicial, wow.

[salvadorbonaparte]

I think that, in theory, you should be able to run for office even if you have been convicted of a crime. Otherwise, you'd risk show trials where political opponents get convicted of fake crimes to get rid of them. However, Donald "first president to be impeached twice" "first president to be convicted of a crime" Trump with his 34 felony counts, other open cases and all of that directly relating to his campaign and time as president. Is no such case. He never should have been able to become president in the first place. Every day I hope there is some loophole that disqualifies him and also that he dies in prison.

#us politics #I've seen people discuss voting rights for felons but not this #Like yeah probably people wouldn't want to vote for a convicted murderer or someone who like legitimately committed treason or fraud or smth #Like in a sensible normal world which is not the case anymore post trump anyway #But like some crimes are dumb and related to injustice #And also I do believe people are generally capable of change and certain crimes are not actually indicative of someone being a bad person #Also I definitely need to read more about it but I'm a partial believer in prison abolition #And a full believer in prison reforms

[aleprouswitch]

Something people need to understand about cult leaders is that they have the ability to persuade their heavily brainwashed and compliant followers that they are being persecuted because everyone who isn't in the cult is corrupted by evil and darkness, therefore they want to destroy those who are good, righteous, and follow the "truth" as established by the cult leader.

Getting convicted of 34 felonies will just make followers of the Orange Fool even more convinced that he is right. The fanatical religious fervor and tireless devotion will only grow stronger. They will vote for him even harder in November and we'll likely wind up with a felon for a president. If he was somehow rightfully disqualified from running for president again, d0mest1c t3rr0rism would increase by like 900%.

That's why I'm not really celebrating this guilty verdict too much. I have a very bad feeling about what's coming and how much uglier things can get from here, because this megalomaniac's devotees are ruthless, and they're everywhere. They're your neighbors, your coworkers, and oftentimes your family as well. The only way to protect yourself and those you love is unfiltered hypervigilance.

#opinions

[justinspoliticalcorner]

Steph Whiteside at NewsNation Now:

(NewsNation) — A jury has found former President Donald Trump guilty of felony charges for falsifying business records in an effort to keep information from voters ahead of the 2016 election. The jury, made up of seven men and five women, delivered the verdict after nearly 12 hours of deliberation. Sentencing is still to come, where Trump could face fines, probation or prison time.  The verdict does not disqualify him from continuing to run for the presidency. The case was the first of four criminal cases against Trump and may be the only one to be decided before the election in November. The case centered around hush money payments made to Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult film star Stormy Daniels who said they had affairs with Trump and were paid to stay quiet ahead of the 2016 election. Trump then allegedly paid former fixer Michael Cohen back for the payments. Trump was charged with 34 counts related to falsifying business records to conceal damaging information from voters ahead of the election. Cohen previously pleaded guilty to violating campaign finance laws for orchestrating or making the hush money payments.

🚨🚨🚨 BREAKING: 🚨🚨🚨 Former “President” and 2024 GOP nominee Donald Trump has been found guilty on all 34 felony charges in the People of New York v. Trump criminal business records falsification trial. This is the first (and likely) only trial decision to come down prior to the general election.

For the first time in the history, a former President has been charged with a felony.

We can officially declare Donald Trump to be (34x) Convicted Felon Donald Trump now.

#People of New York v. Trump #Donald Trump #Donald Trump Trial #Convicted Felon Donald Trump

[qqueenofhades]

Just wondering your thoughts about the GOP 2024 nomination. Common wisdom seems to view Trump as the inevitable heir apparent for obvious reasons like poll numbers and De Santis tanking (as anyone outside the conservative bubble probably could have seen coming once a breathing human who was undecided actually met him on the campaign trail).

But I feel these assessments are missing the inherent chaos of real life. Trump could very well get indicted and struggle to run anything close to the 2016 campaign or run at all if in theory he’s in jail or otherwise disqualified. He’s in his late 70s, he could genuinely just die of any number of health issues before then. This “foregone conclusion” seems somewhat naive to me.

Really, the GOP was screwed when they didn’t turn on him on January 7th. The nation would have been with them as much as it would ever be, they could have harnessed that outrage to peel off all but the most fanatical cultists, and they could have started looking into building up new candidates. Trump was always going to tear down anyone who competed with his spotlight and he’s more vicious to former allies than to enemies. Now they risk losing any promising candidates to his vitriol AND something could happen where he ends up not even being able to run.

I mean don’t get me wrong, I’ll be overjoyed if they fall apart in 2024. And even if he is the nominee and squeaks out of all the court cases with his liberty and reputation intact, I think Trump is toast with independent and undecided voters (people forget how many votes he picked up in 2016 just being a new thing with no record to point to, he refused to get pinned down on any issue, so people figured they’d take a chance on the new thing over Hillary but now he’s got a record and can’t just say he would have done the opposite on anything that went wrong in the past). He couldn’t win while he was the incumbent. He’s a weak candidate.

Anyway, just curious about your thoughts. Am I the only one who thinks the GOP is naive or aware and screwed when it comes to their 2024 nominee?

Welp. There are a lot of things going on here. It goes without saying that they are all a flaming dumpster fire of absolute squalid seditionist anti-democratic bullshit, because that's literally all the Republican party is these days. So, you know. Cheerful!

First, barring him literally keeling over and dying before November 2024 (oh please oh please oh please), Trump WILL be the Republican nominee, even if he is actively in the process of being convicted/has been convicted and is trying to appeal to every court he can possibly think of (since as noted before, he will do his DAMNDEST to get them all to his pet SCOTUS under the flailing hope that they will exonerate him). I think there's still a certain amount of denial about this: the hope that because we are all so sick and tired of dealing with the orange psychopath and his Nazis, that he will just finally fucking DISAPPEAR and not force us to go through another election with him. Unfortunately, this isn't going to happen. The entire crumbling skeleton and gasping oxygen of the once-vaunted GOP is sucked up by Trump. The people theoretically running against him, aside from Chris Christie (who was a Trump sycophant until he wasn't) won't even mention THAT HE IS UNDER MULTIPLE STATE AND FEDERAL INDICTMENTS FOR TREASON-LEVEL CRIMES. You'd think that would be great for an opposition candidate! But since the only way they can win the primary is by getting enough of Trump's insane fans to vote for them, they're walking an impossible tightrope of not being Trump but still also trying to be Trump. Vote for them, please! They promise they can be just as heinous!

Now, the establishment GOP, or what's left of it, is perfectly well aware that Trump is a treasonous loser and a massive electoral liability, but they can't say so because of the same problem of Trump's rabid masses turning on them. See all these accounts of Republicans being plenty brave in private when it comes to criticizing him, but in public: crickets. They know that they've lost every election since 2016, when Trump became the leader of their party, but they also can't stop the insane GOP primary voters, still drunk on that Orange Trump Kool-Aid, from renominating him. As I said in a recent post, there is about 35% of this country that is just, as of now, totally beyond help. They love Trump and only Trump, he's the manifestation of the absolute worst of all their racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. impulses, and they love him more the more awful he is (and the more "Joe Biden's Mean Evil Government!!!" punishes him, in true martyr fashion). There's no helping them. They WILL vote for him no matter what, and there's no way, as it currently stands, that any other GOP candidate has a prayer of getting past him. DeSantis was once hyped as the Alternative to Trump, but the instant actual people get a single look at him, they're repulsed. He's fucked.

Basically, the Republican party, as in the career elected officials, are well aware that Trump is a deadweight loser, but there's no getting out of the trap they've created for themselves. They KNOW perfectly well that Trump is a weak candidate and a perennial loser, but they can't stop their self-created monster of the radicalized Republican electorate from putting him in there again. Their entire toxic self-sustaining right-wing media ecosystem has been churning out lies for decades, that has only kicked into overdrive in the Trump era, and there is nothing they can do about it, because they're craven miserable anti-democratic power-hungry shitstains who will say or do anything to cling out a scrap of influence and money for just a little longer, and their whole platform now consists of being outrageously cruel to other people. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of Nazis, etc. Witness them all vigorously condemning Trump in various interviews (looking at you, Bill Barr) and then either admitting they'll vote for him if he's the 2024 GOP nominee, or cowardly ducking the question. Because... they themselves will vote for him, so it's no wonder the primary voters will do the same. As long as he puts in more religious zealot judges and destroys everything the Democrats are trying to do, they're cool! Democracy? Don't know her. They're over it. See the Wisconsin GOP already running their mouths about trying to impeach state Supreme Court justice Janet Protasiewicz, elected in a landslide in spring, if she does anything to overrule their insane gerrymanders. They're all just as bad.

So in short, yes: they may very well screw themselves into a situation where Trump is totally unviable for 2024 AND there's nobody else they can have to replace him, because that is the devil's bargain they have made. They've all sold their souls. Trump will insist he's running until the very last moment, because it's his final gamble to keep himself out of a hefty prison sentence and the one thing he has escaped for his entire misbegotten existence: i.e., real consequences for his terrible actions (as like any good sociopath, he has no concept of those and they all seem outrageously unfair). If they were going to ever actually do anything about Trump, that was a long, long time ago. Now they're stuck with him, they're too cowardly to denounce him, they're left hoping that Jack Smith and the indictments will eventually take him off their hands, but in the meantime, to save their own necks, they fundraise and whip up public outrage and tell endless lies about how Trump is such a blameless martyr. So yeah. They're fucked, they've made themselves fucked, and they're awful and they deserve it. Etc. etc. never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. Fuck 'em all.

#avelera #ask #politics for ts #the giant orange monster

[nartml]

Scrolling through the pro sasuke tag, as any sane person does, you come across a lot of different takes on Sasuke.

We have to lay down some ground rules on being a Sasuke stan here, because I've seen some outrageous shit on that tag.

These are, in my personal opinion, the most important rules:

Now, you're immediately disqualified the moment you have tagged anything along the lines of "pro sasusaku", "pro konoha", "pro tobirama(that little bitch)" or "pro itachi". The last one is the only one that can be just a little debatable.

Can't emphasize the pro ss one enough, y'all can't ship sasusaku and support Sasuke, those two are mutually exclusive. (Putting less emphasis on the other ones, cuz personally, I thankfully haven't seen many pro konoha or pro tobirama posts that include Sasuke. Thankfully.)

You're also immediately disqualified, if you put your ships first, and Sasuke second. Sasuke is more than his ships, ffs. If you can't discuss his character without bringing in whoever you ship him with, then it's a problem. The moment you prioritize your romantic fantasies over Sasuke's own convictions, is the moment you are now stripped of the privilege of being a Sasuke stan (cough looking at the sasusakus and sasuhinas rn cough)

That is all, thank you.

Pls don't take this too seriously btw

#pro sasuke #pro sasuke uchiha #anti ss #anti sasusaku #anti sasuhina #anti tobirama #anti konoha #this isn't a sns hate post btw #i love them they're my babies #so if you hate sns this is probably not for you oops #but some sns fans still piss me off #seeing violent mischaracterizations of either naruto or sasuke #especially sasuke #is painful #we aren't supposed to be like that guys come on #my anti ss agenda