#contact discourse

[puppetqueer]

gonna be honest if you guys believe that there's some special magical knowledge and cognitive functioning you need that comes with being above the age of 18 to be able to consent to sex

how do yall feel about intellectually/cognitively disabled adults?

adults whos cognitive functioning will always making learning and understanding things difficult?

you dont bar beings from activity or wanting to explore it, you meet them where they are, assess safety, and navigate whats best for the individual.

being a person with life experience counts for things obviously, im not trying to insinuate anything here besides the idea that beings are too "dumb", young (bc many ppl still weaponise the false idea of mental age/equating age w intelligence) or immature to engage in sex can and has been used to oppress disabled individuals, often by comparing them to children or animals to rob them of their autonomy.

and i think thats something we need to really examine

#discourse blah #contact discourse #<- for your topic blocking needs

[seraparaphim]

I think the whole reason contact discourse is as annoying as it is, is because people refuse to communicate with eachother.

Different para circles use contact labels differently. On Twitter, "anti contact" widely means "anti contact for harmful actions" (bestiality, child abuse, grooming, assault, etc). But on Tumblr, especially radblr, a contact stance like that would be widely considered to be "complex contact".

Regardless of how contact labels end up, I think people need to sit down and realise that:

1: Being anti-contact doesn't mean "no contact for all paraphilias" (literally have never seen any anti-c claim that stance please stop acting like people do.)

2: Being complex contact doesn't inherently make someone pro-beastiality (plus all other forms of abuse I mentioned.)

Like this is a community build on trying to understand and empathise with people. Why do y'all forget that the second contact labels come into play.

#the more im typing the more i realise why people don't like contact labels #theyre so vague #doubling on the anti-c point can pro/complex-cs PLEASE stop acting like it means no contact for all attractions. #it has literally never meant that ever #para #pro para #paraphilia #pro paraphile #contact discourse #neutral contact #complex contact #anti contact

[r4dqu33r]

i made some flags for anti contact leaning and pro contact leaning since i think that might be a better way to categorize contact discourse stances than just 'pro/anti c'

they are based on some anti/pro contact flags i've seen before. the anti-c-leaning has white and brighter colors and the pro-c-leaning has more muted colors and it is a bit more gradiented. i based the colors on the contact discourse stance emoji codes (❤️, 💚)

#contact discourse #pro c #anti c #contact discourse flags #contact discourse stances

[dyspunktional-revan]

Contactcourse exceptionists fuck off. I’m not going to Just Be Tolerant or Just Agree to Disagree or whatever when what we are disagreeing on is what should and shouldn’t be defined as abuse and whether everything nonconsensual is harmful.

#contact discourse #anti contact #contactcourse exceptionalism #leviathan.txt #leviathan yells at folkel #swearing cw #csa mention #rape mention #(not limited to those)

[cosmileech]

" if you ship it, you HAVE to be attracted to it! "

I ship lesbian ships as a gay man sometimes. I also ship straight ships. I'm still gay. I don't jerk off to them. And it's very strange to me that antis cannot possibly imagine *not* rubbing yourself out to ships.

#proship #proshipping #pro fiction #ship discourse #anti anti #anti ship #anti proship #proship discourse #anti contact #antis being stupid

[trashfangirlsworld]

Once again I want to remind everyone that if you don't feel personally comfortable buying stuff from the qsmp shop, it's completely fine, however if your reason for it is that you're helping ex or current admins, then I'm sorry but you're not at all. It's been said multiple times that the qsmp is not financially stable rn, it is the whole reason why the egg admins can't come back to the server now, because there are no funds to currently pay them properly. Until qsmp's financial situation is sorted, the egg admins can't come back, and ex admins cannot be paid back for their work. Quackity can't pull money out of his ass. This is the whole point of the merch, to hopefully increase qsmp's funds.

Again, don't buy anything if you feel uncomfortable to do so rn, it's perfectly alright, just keep what I said above in mind if it's not about comfort. Remember to be nice and respectful to each other!

#I'm sorry but it makes sense that pomme's admin hasn't been contacted about payment yet #because they have no money to pay her rn #it's way too early for that #especially when other egg admins haven't come back yet #this is a conversation to have when stuff starts to stabilize #qsmp #qsmp discourse #qadmin situation

[kqluckity]

at this point we are hit with new, almost unbelievable, shit not even once every few days but. once every other hour. it's truly baffling, and honestly almost comical

#WHAT DO YOU THE UNION DIDN'T EVEN CONTACT HIM?? WHAT'S THE POINT THEN?? #discourse #qsmp #qadmin situation #mcyt tag

[aronarchy]

i think there are some belief sets that are shoved into the category of “just thinking about The Future(tm)” & thus assumed to have zero bearing on your present values, and thus anyone who gets “pushy” about those/has a stance & sticks to it is assumed to be problematizing/politicizing an apolitical issue and thus ruining the party for everyone else

for example I remember some time ago I was posting about transhumanism/deity-abolition stuff & how I believe it is unethical for any sentient, agentic being to be capable of stopping vast amounts of suffering but still choosing not to just because, and maintaining a vast power imbalance btwn them & other beings. & that “natural” biological death is, if caused by/enabled by a superior agent, just functionally equivalent to ppl being drugged unconscious/put to sleep permanently against their will (or at least, without them being able to say no). a christian responded by saying death is compatible with her philosophy bc she believes in heaven & saved souls after and whatnot. i pointed out that (even if that’s true, which is unlikely, & not reasonable to subject ppl to the risk of given how that cannot be verified rn & is logically unlikely) that would be functionally equivalent to drugging someone nonconsensually, dragging them off to somewhere else against their will or without their knowledge (or at least ability to say no), and then policing a border so that they are forcibly cut off from loved ones & huge swaths of the sentient universe & the like for eternity. a friend dm’ed me on her behalf later to ask me “but why did you block that woman over her christianity comment.” just, did not understand why I think that was an issue, and did not like being derailed like that, and that I view this as an actual ethical issue w/genuine ethical weight & that matters. bc all spirituality is automatically assigned “apolitical” & “a valid belief” even if it’s passing down real ethical mandates that negatively/would negatively impact lives.

some progressives cede that yea doctrine is wrong sometimes but only when it’s Real Political Issues That Matter like christianity being used to justify misogyny/adultism/queerphobia for example. but, there’s a lot they leave uninterrogated (including the fundamental premise). or, they care about death-advocacy-bc-heaven but only when it becomes Really Bad Enough, like actual suicide cults or telling people to kill themselves or others. but they have a point at which they stop, like indefinite life extension upon request.

I wrote an analysis once abt how belief in all-powerful deities & positive moral assignations to them can be considered analogous to certain scenarios where a human was extremely socially/economically powerful & controlled much of the world or your resources & you can’t see them but they might be able to make demands and the like, and still restrict your agency but in ways too normalized to really notice. I don’t think it can be anarchic, on principle, to believe that choosing to be/remain a powerful deity, taking control over numerous ppl’s lives, is ethical. and I don’t think you can hold that + anarchism as opinions at the same time without running into contradiction somewhere down the line when you try to reduce/apply your philosophies.

some ppl argue that transhumanism isn’t rly an issue that has ethical weight that actually matters bc it doesn’t matter, it’s all for the future, we can’t do any of that right now so leave it (and the arguing!) for later. that’s not really right though; transhumanism, first off, isn’t just some discrete set of alterations, but a principle, and nature essentialism is often used right now to disagree w/sex-modification surgeries or certain types of accommodations for disabled people. some ppl try to shove the later into a category of “unproblematic” bioalteration but that’s not really coherent, is it; it relies on aesthetic/political convenience to judge, not analysis. likewise for primitivism discourses--I’m not saying that working together on some things sometimes is impossible, but that taking a stance is ethically relevant (and also primitivists seem to have a much easier time accusing us of “disunity”/imposing unimportant beliefs than vice versa). is it as immediate as now? no, but it does matter to at least some degree.

somewhat similar dynamics wrt state communists who don’t support any presently existing or past examples of oppression, but still support it as a hypothetical, and make it a future goal. it does bleed into their actual present theory & practice at least sometimes, even if they’re willing to work with anarchists in the present. and also, again, they have an easier time accusing us of caring about irrelevancies than vice versa.

also (this seems like a very different issue, but i’m just putting my own thoughts/experiences out here) this seems like a similar line of thinking to what’s applied to contact discourse a lot of the time. “well that’s about the FUTURE but we can’t say anything about the future post-youthlib or post-“destigmatization” & whether or not it would be ethical then so let’s not care now and fuck you for caring.” bc first of all, 1) “youthlib’d societies” existed in the past, and 1b) pro-c’s like bringing up “noncolonized ‘non-adultist’ pro-c societies” so it’s just completely unaware & irresponsible imo to act like it is just needed “for the future” not for anything in the past or the present; 2) post-youthlib ppl would deserve to have their trauma recognized too if they experienced csa, and the epistemic injustice of abuse being denied (or relativized) is, well (bad, obviously); 3) they wouldn’t be an entirely different species even then, and contact stances wrt that “future world” would involve debates around biopol. & psychology & physiology and frameworks, and which when used now for current debates (bc they are used, yes) do actually influence how we would conceptualize the answer to that future problem, so it’s kind of not a good idea to think that the two are just, like, completely disconnected & discrete.

also just bc it “can’t matter now” isn’t an excuse for arguing it will/should never matter (which is smth claimed by some of such aforementioned individuals).

#OP #transhumanism #deity abolition #anarchism #contact discourse #anti-contact #ramble #personal #edit: might also have some parallels wrt veganism? #idk much about that discourse though so cant really say

[seraparaphim]

Would you mind clarifying if "believe animals or children can consent to sexual activity" just includes sexual activity with humans/adults or includes against animals with animals or children with other children similar in age too?

Hi Anon, it specifically means:

1: You think animals can consent to sexual activity with humans

2: You think children can consent to sexual activity with adults.

Obviously with discretion on the 2nd one. There's nothing wrong with a 17 and 18 year old having sex, for example, and other minors having sex with adults depending on the age gap. And (this isn't something I'm going to elaborate on, nor is it a 100% solid opinion) minors close in age can consent to eachother, obviously. I still don't think anyone below 16 should really be having sex but that's neither here nor there.

#ironically thought it'd be clearer than “anti contact” #anyway #anon #contact discourse #seraspeaks

[etoilesbienne]

there's now a union taking action against Quackity Studios, link to their tweet here

#lea was talking about getting in contact with a union like an hour after her coming out so #not rly surprised #discourse

[phantasm-masquerade]

reposting this to my blog since i know some interesting people are stalking it right now

#hibiki//discourse #pro para #paraphilia #paraphilia friendly #anti contact #acnomap #i hate the misinformation

[paralysnooze]

I don't know mannn, but I think any professional organizations, or even any organizations in general, shouldn't rely on Twitter when doing their job. Y'know? Maybe they should do actual contacting and stuff? Like an email, mail or even a call? If they really need confront the person they wanna talk to, y'know?

Idk man, just a thought

#Qsmp #qsmp discourse #qsmp discussion #discourse #Mhm this is about the union not contacting quackity at all

[communistkenobi]

was gonna make a post about how kirk being accused of being a witch is so woman-coded of him before realising this joke primarily works if you’re deeply aware of the x-coding gender discourse from 2021 spnblr

#disavowing the gender essentialism of online posting about white men but ‘woman-coded’ as a phrase is extremely funny #also not suggesting spnblr is the only place this appears that’s just my closest point of contact #I remember this also from successionposting but I’m not privy to that sphere of discourse #tos.txt

[cosmileech]

I found this rather interesting study about antis in fandoms

https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1309&context=jj_etds

key points:

Antis skew very young

adult antis are mostly no older than 23 (though older ones do exist)

they practice an in group vs our group mentality

to make sure people stay IN the group, they’re constantly hyper vigilant around each other

as such they will go against each other the moment they don’t meet the group’s (impossible to meet) “standards”

the main hate is centered on platforms where hate is boosted through algorithms (such as Twitter/tiktok)

they’re obsessed with sexual grooming, pedophilia and “morality”

anonimity online allows people to disassociate = it makes it easier to be hateful to people

There are very few studies done on antis but I do feel like they’re closer to a cult or huge echochamber

Oh wow, this study is really fascinating. It's very rare to find studies that actually use the term "anti-shipper" rather then dance around it, preferring to call them pro-censorship folks or whatever.

I read about 20 pages of this before i got distracted but its a very fascinating read for anyone who wants to check it out.

#proship #pro fiction #ship discourse #proshipping #proship discourse #anti ship #anti anti #anti proship #anti contact #proship interact #proship safe #antishipper #antiship

[shrimpmandan]

On a more positive note, I'd like to just say that all of the paraphiles I know in my personal life-- whether this be the 'big 3' or more generally accepted fetishes-- have been the sweetest people I know. We get characterized by the media as freaks and monsters and ticking time bombs, or simply as having "bad person disorder", but we are people. Living, breathing, functioning people who can laugh, bring joy, and love just as anyone else can.

Whether you're in recovery, coping through fiction, or just don't express it: if you're an anti-contact paraphile, I love you. You're strong as fuck for dealing with all the stigmatization and demonization we have to endure on a regular basis.

#paraphilia discourse #pro paraphile #paraphiles safe #paraphilia positivity #pro para anti contact #anti contact paraphile #pro para #para safe #saucyish

[mysicklove]

sigh, me and my big mouth got me in trouble again.

#🔪 - mello talks too much #cw discourse #i’m in the call out post BUT i commented as a joke not knowing anything about the situation #i thought it was another anti-aging up call out post that i have experienced. so i commented ”DRAMA?” as a silly joke thinking it #was something completely different....they were not talking about the anti-aging up call out posts.... #i just followed that account like less than a week ago #I DONT KNOW THESE PPL 😔😔😔😔😔😔 #i always like remain neutral on situations (hold opinions to myself) but bc i comment on everything i see i got involved on accident #i’m just going to block all of the accounts that are associated with the post bc i cant mentally deal with this rn LOL #or should i apologize? but i also feel like i didn’t do anything wrong #except for not being aware of my surroundings #between the minors contacting me and now me getting myself dragged into a callout post (OF PPL I DONT EVEN KNOW) tumblr is roasting me toda #everyone needs to gag me and tie my hands behind my back so i don’t accidentally enter things that i don’t mean to enter #if i need to do an apology post just let me know