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#but Fuyumi? if he *killed* her mother? Shoto? Natsuo? absolutely no forgiveness
pocketramblr · 2 months
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Really dark topic, but what do you think would it take for Enji (pre-AM retirement, obviously) to threaten to, or legit kill Rei, mindcontrolling quirks aside?
mind-controlling quirks aside... i don't think he would threaten to kill her. he'd basically never have something to gain from killing her that he couldn't get some other far easier and less risky way. If she was able to prevent him from abusing Shoto, or threatened to take him/all the kids away, Enji could very much threaten divorce, institutionalization, maybe even arrest, but he can stop her from doing that without threatening to kill her.
If Enji were to kill her, which could happen, i don't think it'd be premeditated. But he has hit her before, and Rei isn't exactly going to do great with heat or flame, so if she intervened at the wrong time in the dojo... it's plausible enough i'd accept it as a fic premise.
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some-cookie-crumbz · 3 years
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Hello 👋🏼, sorry if I’m bothering u but ever since the recent chapters of BNHA I haven’t been able to stop thinking about the Todoroki family. Not many of my friends are into this anime and I just couldn’t stop myself from sharing this with you because I need to let this out.
[SPOILER ALERT 🚨!!! IF U DONT READ THE MANGA THEN U CAN JUST IGNORE THIS]
First of all:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!
(I’m still screaming as I write because the backstories RUINED me.)
Poor Touya having this horrible obsession over heroics and having his father acknowledge him but ever since his quirk started reacting against his body the whole family got negatively affected by it.
Rei and Enji wanted to stop at two kids but with Touya’s sudden disadvantage and the latter’s craving for power, Natsuo and later on Shouto was born (the youngest getting titled as the perfect heir from the moment he was born). I got torn seeing Touya’s eyes succumb to absolute madness at the birth of his younger brothers.
What scared me the most was how when it was just Touya and Fuyumi, the two hardly interacted despite being only a year apart in age. Touya claimed that ‘girls just don’t get it’ this small foreshadowing was later brought to light in the most recent chapter where he once again rejects Fuyumi’s company in favour of ranting to only Natsuo and where he disregards his own mother— another ‘girl’ that doesn’t understand his obsession passion for surpassing All Might and someone who plays along to the acts of those stronger than them. Touya saw his mother as a weak person who had no choice but to marry for the sake of her family and have custom children. Little Touya firmly believed his very existence depended on getting acknowledged my his father and defeating All Might but it sadly didn’t come true😭😭
Also..... LOOK AT THE BABIES!!!! They’re all so CUTE!!!
Chubby Fuyumi!!!
Natsuo with a running nose
And Baby Shouto with a meme like face since the day he was born🤣🤣🤣🤣
So ADORABLE!
And another thing. FUYUMI WAS EVEN YOUNGER THAN I THOUGHT TO HAVE STARTED ACTING LIKE A SECOND MOTHER TO HER BROTHERS!! Look at the way she defended Natsuo when Touya went on a rampage and tried to attack Touya! And during moments when Enji and Rei fought the two most notable heroes were Shouto and Fuyumi; the former fighting on the frontlines to face his father while the latter stood behind to once again care for her remaining family that though weren’t involved in the fight, they still needed emotional support to get through it.😭
I AM SO SORRY TO BE GETTING TO THIS SO LATE ANON BUT I HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY!!!
TW: Spoilers, Brief Mention of Child Abuse (Physical, Emotional and Mental), General Fandom Wank
So, like, SO MUCH HAPPENED in those chapters and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE ALMOST ALL OF IT! There’s obviously all the things you mentioned above that were just amazing to see and learn! I know that a majority of the fandom has been absolutely livid about the reveals involving Touya being drastically different than what fandom thought they were all this time, but I think it honestly highlights how smart Horikoshi’s writing really is.
In Shoto, we see the effects of physical and mental abuse on a child, and how easily he could have ended up going down a troubling road much like Touya. Shoto’s saving grace is facing off against Deku in the Sports Festival, giving him an outside perspective and makes him realize that he can choose to be better, but that doesn’t just magically fix all of Shoto’s problems. Shoto still struggles with his feelings towards his Father and how he is perceived by simply being Endeavor’s son. We see that in the Provisional License Arc, where Shoto is so thoroughly rattled by Inasa. It’s even further pushed through how Shoto struggles with his feelings about Endeavor trying to better and whether or not he should forgive him. I feel like Shoto’s arc is incredibly strong and that his struggles are very realistic, which is why people love him so much. This whole concept is another thing I could rant about but I’m going to leave it here.
Meanwhile, with Touya, we see the effects of mental and emotional abuse on a child and how it can completely destroy them. I think people that act like Horokoshi “down played” and “ret-conned” Endeavor as a character to make him more sympathetic/ redeemable or that he’s simply writing Touya as “always being a bad seed” are missing the mark. This is, admittedly, something you see a lot when it comes to victims of abuse in the real world as well; the idea that if you weren’t physically or sexually abused on top of emotional or mental abuse, your abuse is somehow less “valid.” Now I’ve seen more voices speaking out against this mentality - which is relieving and positive - but it’s still a problem. The way Touya was abused is no less valid or scarring to himself as a person as what Shoto has been through was. Touya and Enji clearly had a deep bond as father and son. Hell, the fact that Enji is sobbing and saying he “can’t fight his own son” in regards to Touya, but clearly had less issue training Shoto until he got ill or passed out says a lot.
Touya was put on an incredibly high pedestal by Enji’s constant praise and attention. He was the apple of his father’s eye until the limitations of his Quirk were discovered. Enji had filled his head with promises and goals for what his future would be, essentially selling him what turned out to be a lie. We see Rei herself tell Enji that Touya “knows you expect something out of the kids.” Touya’s whole life up until that point was being told of all the great he would someday accomplish, and equating that to being deserving of his Father’s love, attention and affection.
And then he couldn’t live up to that expectation. And then his parents had two more kids following that revelation. The idea that Touya doesn’t realize that Natsuo and Shoto were meant to be his replacements - unbroken models that “deserved” Enji’s love - is clearly not missed by him. It’s evident in the way he looks at Natsuo after he’s born. He sees this as a sign that he is no longer deserving - no longer worthy - of love or support from the parent he absolutely adores.
We see this mostly from Enji and Rei’s perspectives, so we know the reasons they did it, but it’s clear they didn’t stop to think about the way this would be interpreted by Touya himself. This whole matter is only worsened by the fact that Enji refuses to make sacrifices for the sake of his oldest son. He pushes Touya to live a life outside of Pro Heroics while Enji himself refuses to do the same, thus setting a positive example and showing solidarity with his son. He instead pushes him away and distances himself, loses himself in focusing on Natuso and, once his Quirk turns out to not be what he wants, Shoto. Touya continues to push himself despite his limits in a desperate bid for Enji to look at him the way he used to; with pride and love. 
What caused the fire that “killed” Touya? His anguish over being neglected and abandoned - left unloved - by his father yet again. It’s clear that Touya’s mental health is in need of some real focus that he has never gotten - due to both his parents negligence as well as the fact that mental health is highly stigmatized in Japanese society - and pairing that with the emotional and mental abuse he suffered at Enji’s hands broke him.
So many people are claiming Horikoshi is trying to make Enji “more redeemable”, but how do you get that? Enji abused Rei, his own wife, physically and emotionally and mentally until she had a psychotic breakdown, hurt their youngest child, and then robbed her the right to mother her children further by having her locked up in a psych ward for the next decade or so; built their oldest son, Touya, up only to then emotionally and mentally abuse him to the point he damn near killed himself in a frantic bid to garner Enji’s support only to return years later completely unhinged and looking to murder his entire family out of spite; neglected Fuyumi and Natsuo to the care of each other and hired help; alienated Shoto, his youngest son, from his siblings for his entire formative years, physically and mentally and emotionally abused him, groomed him to accomplish a task he never wanted, put him through such extensive physical training that Shoto would get sick or pass out.
Enji was a shitty father. He has a long ass road to continue walking if he ever wants redemption. The fact he didn't physically hit Touya doesn’t mean that Enji didn’t abuse his son and it doesn’t make Touya any less of a victim.
* End TodoFam Rant*
On a slightly lighter note, I also like all the information with Hawks’ past and all the parallels we’re seeing develop!
I’ve rambled briefly about this in other places the Huwumi discord but I want to expound upon this a bit more here.
I feel like Touya/ Dabi and Keigo/ Hawks are meant to be parallels to one another.
Back to back, we had proper name claims by these two characters. We had Dabi reveal his true identity as Todoroki Touya and then we have Hawks choosing to abandon his hero name to instead step up to fight as Takami Keigo.
I feel like “Dabi” was always a mask, of sorts. Dabi is typically pretty calm, cool, composed with the occasional bites of snark and cruelty. Meanwhile, we see Touya emoting and moving in a manner more akin to himself as a child, dancing about in manic delight over revealing his true identity and intentions. The pair of them are two drastically different people when you stop and look at it. “Dabi” was the mask he wore to gain ground to enact his revenge, and now that he is there? Now Touya can burn everything tethered to it down to ground.
Meanwhile, we have "Hawks” as he was forced to become as per the Hero Public Safety Commission. We had it revealed quite a while back that Hawks was a man of many faces, jumping from laid-back and chill to serious and focused quite frequently. “Hawks” is the presentation for the public and the Commission, groomed to be the perfect little canary in the mine that was Pro Heroics. The reveal of his true heritage, however, is not the killing blow Touya wanted it to be. Instead, it allows Keigo, the one who wanted to be a Hero to help people, the chance to truly dedicate himself to that. In being freed from the cage of “Hawks”, he is given the change to really soar as Keigo.
Now, I feel that “Dabi” and “Hawks” are most certainly parts of Touya and Keigo as well, respectively. Even though those titles were masks, they were masks made from parts of the men who wear them. I think what we’ll see going forward is the true elements of those masks bleeding back into the whole, and seeing the truest forms of each character.
For better or for worse. 
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floshortus-a · 3 years
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Headcanons - Todorokis
My Todorokis will be default following all of the information I type out here. If you have your own interpretation and wanna use that it’s totally fine - just let me know prior to interacting. Otherwise they will be defaulted to this. ( This is also all based on canon stuff and is subject to change based on that as well ). 
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Endeavor did marry Rei with a quirk marriage, with money involved, but was generally very considerate to her. There was no initial abuse or yelling, it was pretty much a very formal polite atmosphere. He provided her with a home, money and everything else she needed while in turn she provided him with children. Quirk marriage is a known thing in the BNHA universe, and it isn’t illegal. Is it sketchy? Yeah, so please understand while he may not have been abusive to her at this point their marriage was not based on love.  But, he did try to make her happy.
He was very attentive to Touya when he was first born, because he could very well be the prodigy he wanted. There was disappointment when his quirk was only fire, but he acknowledged it’s strength and power as well as Touya’s own abilities so he was satisfied for the most part. He did still however want a child with both his and Rei’s quirk so they wouldn’t have the same weakness as he does. Keep in mind, he can literally burn his internal organs with his quirk. While his objective was to have a child to fulfill his ambitions, he did want them to not be hampered by his own weakness. 
He still kept his desire in mind when he and Rei agreed to have more children. He was not abusive at this point, as again Touya was still considered his successor. Fuyumi was simply meant to support him, so when her quirk manifested he was not too disappointed. His focus was still on Touya though, so he didn’t really give Fuyumi a lot of attention. She was simply there to support Touya and that was it, so he was neglectful of her but not every directly or physically abusive. Neglect is still a form of abuse though, so please keep that in mind. 
But, remember how Endeavor didn’t want a child with his weakness? Well, Touya’s weakness was worse then his. Endeavor can overheat, but Touya was physically injuring himself with his quirk. That very thing is what caused him to realize Touya could not fulfill his ambitions.  So, he lost interest in him and moved on to the next child. He stopped focusing on Touya, and completely ignored Natsuo when he was born. This neglect and sudden abandonment is was extremely traumatic to Touya as a child. He wanted Endeavor’s attention, he wanted to be able to do what had been previously expected. He was angry at himself, and his quirk for being shit and at Endeavor for simply giving up on him. Touya still kept trying to train himself, but it physically hurt him and the stress is what caused the white to begin to spread in his hair. 
When Shoto was born and his quirk manifested as exactly what Endeavor wanted, all of his focus was on this child. Hell, even when he was first born Endeavor’s only focus was on Shoto and Shoto alone. He did not care about any of the other three, and completely neglected them and abandoned them to Rei and the nanny. It was even worse when his quirk manifested, because it had now been over a decade since he had tried producing a child to fulfill his ambitions and Shoto likely could be his last chance. So he was extreme  with him and pushed him hard, trying to make sure he would be able to do it. All the while he neglected and ignored his other children. He even, in his frustration became physically abusive towards Rei when she tried to intervene with Shoto. He was also neglectful to Shoto in terms of restraint and continued to push him extremely hard. All the while, he completely ignored his other children.
He was so abusive and awful to Rei and Shoto that he caused her to eventually have a mental breakdown, and she of course splashed scalding hot water on Shoto’s face.  The worse part is, she wasn’t just stressed with Shoto but all of the children really. Of course she came to her senses right away, and tried to help but it was too late. Endeavor had her sent away, and showed absolutely no care about her. His only concern was her potentially ruining his successor’s future ability as a hero. He did not care about her, or how her disappearance might have also affected the other children. 
Fuyumi was devastated of course, but she had always been more passive and didn’t really react beyond crying initially. She couldn’t bring herself to blame anyone, because she so desperately wanted a family and some kind of love. Fuyumi thought that if she got upset, she wouldn’t have anyone. Touya blamed it on Shoto. He still clung to the idea that he could be better then Shoto, and thought about killing him to take his place. Of course, instead of that happening the ‘accident’ happened where he was pronounced dead. This all happened after Rei was hospitalized, and she stopping seeing people for a bit after that. Endeavor still showed no remorse, even if internally he believed Touya couldn’t be dead and that he could find him. Endeavor was unable to express his genuine beliefs for some reason, and continued to be that cruel, brick wall of a man towards Shoto and absolutely neglectful towards the other two. 
This environment continued on throughout the years, where he didn’t care for his other children and pushed Shoto to the extremes to force him to be what he wanted. Obviously, after the shock of suddenly having the number 1 position thrust on him he started doing more self-reflecting. Even more so after the nomu attack. Endeavor is trying to atone for his actions, and trying to put his family in a better place. He does not care if that doesn’t include him, he knows what he did and that he should reap what he sow.  Shoto is still indifferent towards him, he doesn’t want him to die but he has yet to consider forgiving him. Fuyumi is hoping for better, she wants to believe it can be better and that she can finally have a family...so she did forgive him sort of. If anything, she believes in his ability to atone and be better. She is very desperate to have that family life she always saw on T.V. or heard about from her classmates. 
Touya of course, no longer cares for his family. He couldn’t care less if they died. The only people he truly cares about are Natsuo ( to a degree ) and Rei, anybody else is nothing to him. He doesn’t necessarily hate Fuyumi, but he isn’t as close like he is with Natsuo and Rei. But he doesn’t care enough to consider what exposing their family life to the world will do, or what the shock of his real will due to his mentally ill mother. These are all selfish acts, he knows this and is thinking solely for himself. He is putting himself first here, nobody else. But, he also did plan to die once this was all revealed - and preferably to take his Father and Shoto wit him ( see his use of prominence burn ). 
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