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bennettmaximoff · 6 months
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Damon was incredibly protective and loving of Bonnie and ended up being her soulmate in the books, and the tvd writers thought “Hm, let’s make him a complete asshole to her throughout the entire show and hurt her at every given opportunity.” They took one look at how Stefan and Bonnie’s friendship was progressing throughout S1-S2 and decided to completely retcon it and started having him disregard her the same way everyone else did. You see, none of the main male characters were allowed to have actual meaningful connections with her because god forbid Bonnie be considered a potential love interest for them and not their self inserts. Damon can’t even tell Bonnie he loves her without them making sure to include “The same way Elena loved you.”
It’s the same reason why they didn’t have Bonnie attend the Mikaelson ball even though her being there made more sense than Matt or Caroline attending since the literal hostess was going to be siphoning her bloodline’s magic. She couldn’t be seen dressed up in a pretty gown like the other girls and dance with any of the male characters because again, god forbid Bonnie be held in the same regard as the other girls and ever thought of as a potential love interest for anyone besides throw away characters. It’s the same with Bonnie not interacting with any of the Mikaelson’s outside of her protecting the MFG from them. There are numerous connections between the Mikaelson’s and the Bennetts. Ayana Bennett was Esther’s mentor and seemed to be incredibly close to all her children. Abby desiccated Mikael, Esther wanted to use the Bennett Bloodline. Yet, not once are these connections explored. These could have potentially been some of the best storylines in the show, but that would have required the writers to not be prejudice and have biases towards certain characters.
But all this begs the question…if you’re going to make a character black or a poc so you can meet the diversity requirements, yet still neglect their character and use them as nothing but a shield to your white characters, then what is the point? Because I have no doubt that if they kept Bonnie’s race the same, she would have gotten the same opportunities as the other girls and wouldn’t be seen as just a mule. She would have still been poorly written, not debating that, but she would have been treated entirely differently by the writers and the fans.
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cancerian-woman · 2 months
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Unpopular opinion: Tyler should’ve killed Hayley and he wasn’t wrong for trying to.
Another unpopular opinion: I think Michael Trevino (along with Kat Graham) was done wrong by Plec due to him being a non white hispanic man. Tyler Lockwood could’ve been SO MUCH BETTER and could’ve had such an interesting storyline and character development along with Bonnie if Plec wasn’t a racist bum.
Facts. Not trying to make this super long. Hayley would’ve deserved whatever Tyler decided to do. She betrayed him first.
People seem to only see “innocent Hayley who’s pregnant by Klaus” but forgets that Tyler’s intentions were rooted in protecting the werewolves as a species. The irritating part in this is that it was all done on TO. Which means they weren’t going to actually let Tyler do anything to Hayley. Depending on how a fan watches the franchise Tyler looks like the villain here. Hayley even calls him a “backstabbing half breed”. I do find it funny she became a “half breed” and never shut up about being one after that lol.
I talked about how Hayley’s death is a karma moment here.
You aren’t wrong. Tyler is white, but it’s clear he doesn’t look white. He looks NOTHING like his family members. Klaus/Caroline exist as a ship to constantly sideline him. When Tyler was the introduction to the werewolves.
Michael Trevino and Kat Graham deserved better more than words can say. Their characters were used as plot devices and never given the same push as their white counterparts.
Isn’t ironic that two characters Tyler and Bonnie were introduced with these unique bloodlines yet we’re done the worst. I’m so pissed that we learn in TO, Tyler’s would’ve been protecting the hallow bones. It would’ve been pleasing as fuck to see Hayley BEG Tyler for help after she betrayed him.
Julie and the other writers were so racist they couldn’t even at least let Tonnie happen as a ship. Instead, Tyler ends up dating one of the many white Bonnie’s of TVDU lol. (i meant Liv Parker).
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wearesociety · 1 year
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Kat said what she said and I completely agree.
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bennett-mikealson · 7 months
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I said this already to someone’s post on the TVD Reddit but I wanna speak on it again since “the Bonnie Stan’s make everything about race”debacle continues to come around.
The writers and TVD Stan’s one who originally made things about race in regard to Bonnie. They ostracized and disrespected Bonnie Stans/Kat throughout the entirety of the shows running (which went on for 8+ years). So when Bonnie Stans now have an inherent belief that it is possible for someone’s dislike for Bonnie to be rooted in racism don’t blame it on Bonnie Stan’s blame it on the writers and the fans who continuously, harassed and mistreated Kat/Bonnie bc the racist belief wouldn’t be pushed upon people who disliked Bonnie had the fans, and the writers not been acting the way that they were to begin with. 
Bonnie’s mistreatment will always be rooted in racism whether you wanna believe it or not and if you have a problem with Bonnie Stan’s bringing it up then maybe you need some reevaluating to do within yourself or simply ignore Bonnie Stan’s.
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stelenasired · 4 months
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I'm not okay.
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they had SO much potential in season 5
*none of the GIFs are mine*
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lady-corrine · 5 months
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Show Damon sleeping with Elena's mom 🤢
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B.S. Excuses
The reasons the writer’s didn’t have Caroline end up with Klaus was because it would be “disrespectful” to Stefan’s memory.
So what you're telling me that;
It wasn’t disrespectful when Elena kissed Damon, well Stefan traded HIMSELF for the cure to save his brother?
Or Stefan, repeatedly walking out on Caroline, wasn’t disrespectful.
So Caroline, is supposed to spend the rest of her LIFE, eternity, honouring the memory of the guy she was only married to for ONE DAY, when he choose to die to protect his ex-girlfriend (and you can’t tell me she wasn’t a HUGE reason for why he did that), and brother? 
That Caroline is supposed to set aside her own happiness, to honour a sham wedding that only took place to bait out Katherine?
EVEN IF, even if they WERE married, it’s been YEARS, (Lizzie and Josie were 4 in TVD, and 15 in TO), so even after 11 years, after over a DECADE, she can’t move on and be happy?
Now, let’s look at a different hypothetical scenario, if it was Caroline who died that day, they would have had Stefan ALL OVER Elena, in the primer of a hypothetical season 9 of TVD.
The only reason this happened was because Nina (I have nothing against her) decided to leave the vampire diaries, forcing the writers to think of an alternate romantic plotline. Caroline was literally treated like Elena’s understudy! 
So SCREW B.S. excuses, Klaroline should have gotten their happy ending, and them even attempting to use Stefan’s death, and “Steroline”, to prevent that, DISGUSTS ME!
(I knew their was a reason why I camp out on the Ao3 “Caroline Forbes/Klaus Mikaelson” tag like a little troll under a bridge, because canon SUCKS, and Klaroline fanfiction is my happy place.)
^^^This is my opinion, you don’t have to share it, or even agree, it’s just mine^^^
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nerdie-faerie · 11 months
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'When Bonnie Bennett has a hunch, you don't ignore it' FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO HAS LEARNT FROM THE PAST FOUR YEARS OF SUPERNATURAL DRAMA!!
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jazzywazzy89 · 2 years
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Bonnie and Enzo was just a rushed mess. He first showed interest in Caroline and Damon’s mom, and then switched to Bonnie, it was honestly the epitome of ‘we don’t know what to do so just put him with Bonnie’ but as usual they couldn’t let her have anything so they killed him off. They always gave her such safe love interests which is why I liked Bamon and Bonkai, the latter more so than the former simply bc tvd does this weird thing were they’ll make all the characters Damon sympathisers/defenders. One of my fav things about Bamon was the provocation they brought out in one another and it seemed like once the writers clocked it they made sure to have Bonnie become Damon’s best friend who found a way to defend his actions and decisions. Which is also why Bonkai worked for me bc there seemed to be a real opportunity for the writers to show this equally toxic and destructive, dark relationship where they both forced the not so good parts of each other out, something tvd rarely allowed to be shown with Bonnie.
So, basically I didn't miss much with Bonenzo. I am in no way surprised that they killed him off because as you said, Bonnie can't have nice things.
I feel like even with the provocation was shown with Bamon in earlier seasons it was used to prop Damon and demonize Bonnie which is why a large amount of the fandom disliked her so strongly, well that and because she's black but that's another post. Then when they're dynamic gained popularity the writers absolutely clocked it and turned her in to a Damon prop because Damon was the one who had win out over every male on the show. Which was why he was supposedly the root worthy brother over Stefan. Which is why he got to kill Kai. Which is why he got Elena. They wouldn't allow him to actually lose and hated to see him undermined in any way which is also why he didn't honestly have much character growth at all. Stefan was actually more developed and they did it by trying to undermine and destroy his character for Damon's sake and accidently made him more nuanced as a result.
You're absolutely right about Bonkai. Most of my knowledge of them is from clips but in every scene you saw the potential and Bonnie developed as a character in all of their interactions and we got to see that underlying darkness a lot of us had been waiting seasons to see, come to the surface.
The problem is those writers honestly had not idea how to write dark ships. If you think about it, even DE and KC weren't possible without neutering Klaus and Damon and dumbing down Caroline and Elena, because they refused to let these characters go there without involving half ass redemption arcs and because they hated the idea of their pets looking bad when honestly it would have been more enjoyable all around if everyone got to explore their darkness full on no apologies at different intervals, especially Bonnie.
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freddieslater · 2 years
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speaking about elena's dad being an augustine and whole "science for a good cause thing" just...damn I hate how much this storyline was ignored, bc Enzo's PTSD was just not mentioned completely, but like...the christmas parties? there was no reason to humiliate and dehumanize him like this, had it been only about "science", they loved to torture vampires, end of story.
Exactly. It was never just about "science" it was completely about the power they were able to abuse. And they could justify it to themselves in the name of science, but from the outside looking in, it was so obvious that it was just them exerting their power over these people that they didn't see as human, but merely as test subjects/animals.
I really wish that Elena had taken more of that side of it on board. Reading her dad's journal was obviously going to give her a bias because he is an unreliable narrator in this story. He wrote about doing good and trying to save a little girl with an incurable illness, and how he had to use any means necessary. She heard about the torture that Damon and Enzo went through at the hands of Augustine and Dr Whitmore. Not at the hands of her dad. Of course she was able to convince herself that it was entirely different, that her dad was never out here cutting into vampires because it gave him some sick satisfaction, or forcing them to act like animals in a zoo or circus acts for wealthy guests.
It absolutely should have been focused on more, especially the Christmas parties. Because as you said, that proved that it was never JUST about science. It was humiliation, dehumanization, and just plain sick. And even by the end of the show, it was really only Damon and Enzo who understood that. Which really sucks, especially for Enzo, who went through it for so long, but also for Damon in a way, as he then continued to be with Elena, who seemed to go on holding the belief that her father was some hero, not just DESPITE everything he did but also BECAUSE of everything he did. And I hate that.
The writers really messed up big time with this storyline and it kills me, because it was so much trauma that should have been front and centre for at least a season, but instead was merely a storyline for about two-three episodes at best, and then reduced to throwaway lines that give us another glimpse into how messed up it was, and even more proof that the writers just did not care about their own characters or plot.
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Yeahhhh screw you Stefan, go drown in a safe again.
You NEVER would have done this to Elena. You would've respected her choice. You wouldn't have pulled a Damon. And it's not a good look on you.
Caroline deserved so much better.
Stefan's lucky Klaus was not around for this BS...
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blairwaldcrf · 2 years
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there's a meta to be had about how delena began romantic feelings during their stark power imbalance when she was just a human girl he could physically control (and did often when stefan didn't/couldn't intervene). Elena didn't try to be with him romantically until both her physical (human) and mental (sire bond) weakness were fixed, sure, but the very beginnings are still rooted in that
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bamon, which only had a few episodes where Bonnie could not only overpower him physically with her magic. Not only can she, but she DOES so, multiple times, once almost murdering him. she barely considers him an ally until they're trapped in the prison world together, 4?ish? years after they've met. they wouldn't begin to have anything remotely on the grounds of what could eventually be romantic until over 6+yrs later
like, don't get me wrong, damon is a flawed character in every sense and has done horrible things to both of these girls' friends and families. disregarding even that, bonnie is always mistreated and used repeatedly to save the white vampires. im not saying *either* of these is healthy even by tvd standards. it's just a shame that Plec/Dries+co could let Stefan evolve into the mature post highschool non-Elena choice and not consider letting Bonnie have the second lead love interest as well (since we didn't get baroline)
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cancerian-woman · 9 months
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Tyler Lockwood discourse and “excuse” for how fans view him as worthless or unneeded is that his plotline ended in season 3/4 is so…wrong lmao. Tyler was not only the first introduction to werewolves/Lockwood legacy but he was Klaus’ first successful hybrid. But, no it would’ve been too much to center a plot on Tyler that has nothing to do with Caroline or Klaus. Tyler became an alpha, those hybrids trusted and respected him. Okay, then those hybrids were killed Tyler could’ve formed another pack. They can do more with wolf-related plotlines they just had to write those. Look at Hayley who was praised and worshipped as this werewolf Crescent Queen after she helped plot and kill those hybrids…but TO doesn’t acknowledge that ever. Supernatural world gossip spreads but that somehow never made it to the bayou…anyways…
The problem relies Forwood, Klaroline, Steroline and a bit of Klayley equally. Mainly Caroline and Klaus/Stefan’s popularity. Season 1/2 Caroline was ignorant as hell and disliked by most of her peers. Why? She always had something negative to say about everyone. Plus, her mental feud with Elena. So Caroline dates Matt who treats her terribly and isn’t over Elena. Then she’s placed with Tyler, she “changes” after this vampire transition. Forwood is equally new in being a vampire/werewolf. It’s easy to support them when Caroline is there as he transitions into a wolf. Shes not just this jealous raged teenage girl! She has feelings and emotions! Caroline’s sweet, caring, and protective these are reasons people should like Caroline. Most of time fans argue that Caroline was better as a vampire than she ever was as a human. Now, insert Klaroline and Klaus. Klaus gets to enforce power and control over Tyler. He enslaves him repeatedly, and constantly threatens his life. Tyler knows he can’t win against Klaus but he refuses to live by Klaus rules. Richard Lockwood, his abusive major daddy had already made his life hell by giving him standards to live by and abusing him.
Now this is getting long. But, Caroline gets to “see the good in Klaus” they get to have all these “moments” about nothing at all. Tyler isn’t there and unfortunately YES on Caroline’s end Tyler does look bad for being away but Caroline understood this and for awhile was the only person who got Tyler. Until, she didn’t the plot worked its way so we can uplift and praise Caroline in all her vampire girl-boss goodness! But, paint Tyler in a bad view. Klaroline was pulled out of the writers ass, there was no build-up and it’s often forgotten that Klaus intended to sacrifice both Caroline and Tyler but somehow someway Klaus is obsessed with this baby vampire lmao. But, “Tyler doesn’t love Caroline! He’s never there.” It’s not that Tyler didn’t want to be there, he was being treated like a slave. If the writers really and truly wanted to push Klaroline they could’ve done so without using Tyler. He wasn’t around anyways so what would’ve been the excuse? Klaroline wasn’t the plan but mildly benefits from mistreating Tyler/Michael Trevino and Kat Graham but pen in that.
Tyler’s entire family dies and we see Caroline comfort him through Carol’s death which Tyler fully blames himself for. Caroline gets this until she didn’t. She places an ultimatum over Tyler’s head. He chooses to leave, and it’s even a bigger nail on the head for the fandom. Tyler’s trying to kill Hayley and Hope. Which is ignored that Tyler intended on saving the werewolves as a species because Klaus DID continue to enslave and pick up werewolves turning them into hybrids for his own gain. Caroline sleeps with Klaus Tyler’s pissed and tries to keep contact at a minimum. You have Stefan in her ear all the time making comments about how Tyler’s violent towards her and all around a terrible person. When Tyler never abused her. Klaus was even in Caroline’s ear making her think Tyler cheated when that was never the case.
Tyler was used and needed for Caroline’s development and heavily plays a huge roll in her popularity. But, she doesn’t give half of that for him. In fact Forwood/Klaroline/Klayley and Steroline all functioned as a death to Tyler’s character. More so KC & Steroline ruined what good foundation Tyler did have. If Hayley could be some werewolf queen in TO. Tyler could’ve been hailed as a king in own bloodline. He could’ve found another group of friends to see as family. Jackson is a very similar character to Tyler. Lastly, Michael Trevino said for years that Klaroline was/is the issue with Tyler’s development.
side note: i forgot to add I firmly believe Caroline remains jealous of Elena throughout the entire show and expected Tyler to act the way Damon/Stefan does when Elena did something that was “bad” in their POV.
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i can't believe katherine's daughter died in her arms and their last and final moment together was the only time katherine paid attention to nadia, the woman who worked so hard to build a relationship between them while katherine put little to no effort only to die for how much she tried to convince katherine to prioritize her over stefan, a doomed relationship from 100 years ago
and then two seconds later after nadia died katherine went back to her stefan obsession and attempted to kiss him?? when he clearly wasn't interested in her and she was occupying another person's body (and basically exploiting elena lbr)
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bennett-mikealson · 6 months
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Stefonnie deleted scene
I’ll never get over the deleted Bonnie and Stefan scenes from season 1 episode 11. This was such a sweet moment that really highlighted Bonnie emotions about her new reality. For some reason some Stan’s act as if they can’t read between the lines with certain characters in certain situations in regard to their feelings and Bonnie’s the main example of that. The show never gave Bonnie a moment to truly express her feelings in most situations in a vulnerable way but THIS WAS THIS WAS THEIR MOMENT!!!
This scene was their moment to give insight to Bonnie’s inner emotions that she hid Instead of giving her the “I’ll be strong” attitude that was so single noted. Although I don’t think this scene would of changed a lot of fans feelings towards Bonnie’s since she was still on guard and judgment to vampires/their faves it still would of been nice to see a more vulnerable side to Bonnie to add more depth to her character. Bonnie wasn’t just scared of vampires she was scared of being a witch and it’s not bc she hated it all it’s because she needed time to understand what was going on around her.
I DONT KNOW WHY STANS ACT LIKE THATS AN ABNORMAL FEELING TO HAVE (besides the obvious her hating on their faves).
Side note: this was such a good Stefonnie scene as well and I hate that the writers ruined the potential friendship that could have been them.
This Scene:
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dr-lizortecho · 2 years
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Matt Donovan and Xander Harris are the same though in different genres of vampire media
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