#anti jaehaerys i targaryen

[kataraavatara]

“In 86 AC, Queen Alysanne announced the betrothal of her daughter Viserra, fifteen years of age, to Theomore Manderly, the fierce old Lord of White Harbor.”

commission of my bby Viserra from @wodania

#viserra targaryen #alysanne targaryen #anti jaehaerys i targaryen #jaehaerys i targaryen #anti alysanne frankly #bc wtf was this betrothal #asoiaf art #fire and blood

[lovl3igh]

"according to the law aegon should be the king" according to the law aegon should have been castrated and sent to the wall

#what law are you reffering to #in the book everytime king had to named his heir officially an heir and prince/princess of dragonstone #in the show viserys officially changes the line of succession #we have the whole ceremony and all #it's confirmed that rhaenyra has claim #and lords gave her their oaths #so what bs y'all trying to sell #according to the law rhaenyra was the heir #also i blame jaehaerys #dude really had to screw everything #he literally disinherited like 6 women if you think about that?? #2 of them were called his heirs #house of the dragon #targaryen #hotd #fire and blood #anti aegon ii targaryen #aegon the usurper #anti jaehaerys i targaryen #anti aegon ii stans

[daenerysies]

Rhaenyra's Usurpation and the Dying of the Dragons

There is nothing that Rhaenyra Targaryen could have done to prevent the Dance of Dragons from happening.

Let me repeat; There is nothing that Rhaenyra Targaryen could have done to prevent the Dance of Dragons from happening.

It was set in stone the minute that Jaehaerys heeded the words of his son Vaegon and held the Great Council of 101. It was set in stone when Viserys was named heir over Rhaenys and Laenor. It was set in stone when Viserys decided to name Rhaenyra as his heir, marry Alicent, and have more children, specifically sons. It was set in stone when Viserys allowed the children of his second wife to claim dragons. It was set in stone when Viserys kept Rhaenyra as his heir and failed to prepare her and the realm properly for her rule.  It was set in stone when Viserys allowed the seeds of discourse to run among the children due to his wife and her faction. It was set in stone when Aegon usurped the throne. It was set in stone when Aemond murdered Lucerys despite guest rights and terms of peace.

Rhaenyra could have been the picture-perfect heir, ‘Jaehaerys himself come again’, and still would have been usurped. Rhaenyra could have not had ‘bastards’ as her heirs, and she still would have been usurped. Rhaenyra could have remained at the Red Keep, rather than the heir’s seat on Dragonstone, and she still would have been usurped. Rhaenyra could have been at the Red Keep when Viserys died, and she still would have been usurped.

There are many themes in this book series that GRRM has chosen to bring to light and criticize, but the Dance of Dragons' main theme is that Rhaenyra was usurped because of her gender. Had she been born a man, there would have been no basis for any of Alicent’s children to have a claim to the throne, beyond being spares. They would have garnered no support, and Team Green as a whole would not exist. The excuse that it is because of her ‘bastard’ children, which, legally, they aren’t, is just that: an excuse. In GRRM’s original draft about the Dance of Dragons, Rhaenyra was married to Harwin from the get-go, and all of her children were undeniably legitimate, yet the war still took place.

A gender-based succession crisis was inevitable, so it is no small wonder that it did occur under one of the weakest Kings’ in the Targaryen’s rule. Jaehaerys set the wheels in motion, and Viserys drove full-speed past the stop sign. He almost single-handedly led his daughter, and their dynasty, straight to their deaths. Otto and Alicent wanted power, and the only way they were going to continue to have any was if Aegon was on the throne. Their scheming began when Rhaenyra was 9-10 years old, what could she have possibly done at that age to prove she wasn’t worthy of the Iron Throne?

Rhaenyra’s biggest crime in Westeros was that she dared to be a woman; a woman who wanted her inheritance. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If the war didn’t happen then, it was going to happen at some point, further generations down. It is no coincidence that after Rhaenyra’s death dragons ceased hatching, save for small, weak creatures that would not last long. The magic died with her. Her story’s resemblance to the Amethyst Empress all but confirms that. The equilibrium of Ice and Fire is put into shambles once again upon her and the dragons' deaths; the Long Night is now inevitable.

Rhaenyra was damned if she did and damned if she didn’t. Her story is meant to be a tragedy. A tragedy whose meaning seems to be getting lost along the way in this fandom.

#asoiaf #fire and blood #bookverse #rhaenyra targaryen #daemon targaryen #jacaerys velaryon #lucerys velaryon #queen rhaenyra #pro rhaenyra #pro team black #anti team green #hotd #anti aegon ii targaryen #anti viserys i targaryen #anti jaehaerys i targaryen #dance of the dragons #the amethyst empress #the bloodstone emperor #the long night

[atopvisenyashill]

Thoughts on the Alysanne is Maegor's daughter AU? I feel like it has some interesting potential, and it vastly recontextualizes different parts of Jaehaehae (I do not like him sjsjsjs) and Alysanne's relationship (such as Jaehaehae's treatment of their daughters) but I wanna hear what you think about it!

I’ve touched on this a bit before but since you actually want to hear my thoughts, allow me to present to you my Jaehaerys Is The Goddamn Worst, And Alysanne Annoys Me Too: An Essay lmao but my answer is basically “yeah all of what you just said.”

I think it makes Alysanne much more palatable (to me) as a character because as she stands, she just fixates on forcing her daughters through these fucked up marriages at too young an age bc it traumatized her to be married and pregnant at 15 too but she’d never admit that being a willing participant in her own kidnapping by her brother-husband was the single worst thing that ever happened to her, and because Alysanne doesn’t want to admit it (and Jaehaerys would never see it as wrong or a mistake) F&B really shies away from delving into the fact that Alysanne is as deranged of a mother as Cersei is. So as she stands, she’s very flat to me because she’s presented very flatly and inconsistently. She’s so in love with Jaehaerys, she’s maritally raped by Jaehaerys, she’s a loving and doting mother, she forces her daughters into marriages when they’re the same too young age she was, she accuses her teenage girls of being scheming whores then gets angry when her husband accuses their teenage girls of being scheming whores, and worst of all we are just told “Maegelle tells them to make up so they do” so we don’t know why Alysanne gets over all of this. What is the point of riding a dragon when you never use that dragon to protect your daughters from unwanted teen marriages? We’re just not given a good enough justification for why her behavior is so weird and frustrating towards her daughters.

Make her Maegor’s daughter though…most of her behavior as an adult makes more sense. Like a worse version of Rhaenyra’s childhood almost - a father desperate for a son, but lowkey obsessed with his daughter, who makes all his hang ups about his parents the problems of every woman around him, except Maegor is out here blood sacrificing and torturing and starting wars and forcing babies on wives he discards quickly and brutally. Then here comes Jaehaerys on a white horse green dragon to save her from the horror her life has become, and he loves her so much he runs away with her even though Alyssa says they shouldn’t marry because people won’t like it. And they have beautiful children, and a beautiful marriage, and build a beautiful kingdom.

Then her pregnancies start getting dangerous. Gaemon, then Valerion, die. Alysanne thinks of the shriveled up mutants she called brothers, if Maegor’s taint has passed to her. Her perfect husband ignores her no, and forces Gael on her. Alysanne remembers that he said nothing to Rogar when Alyssa died, merely wept. Then her daughters start to die. Daella, Alyssa, Viserra, all within a few years. Then Jaehaerys makes Saera watch as he murders her boyfriend, calls her a whore, and says Alysanne cannot follow Saera to Lys. Alysanne thinks of Maegor torturing the Harroways over Alys’ presumed infidelity. Jaehaerys says he’s sorry, and her daughter badgers her into forgiving him, and she remembers how she helped Jaehaerys badger Alyssa into forgiving Rogar. Not two years later, Jaehaerys passes over Rhaenys. Alysanne thinks of how she was never enough for her father, how she felt so superior to Rhaena banished to Dragonstone and resented by Aerea, yet there she is dragging Gael away from court because she can’t stand to be with Jaehaerys. How her father was surrounded by dead women and dead babies and how Jaehaerys is surrounded by his own dead daughters, but surely she did the right thing, surely Maegor was worse, surely the realm is better off? Is he right to pass over Rhaenys? Is she enabling a man just as monstrous as her father? She will never decide, because Maegelle will guilt her about keeping Gael isolated at Dragonstone, and Alysanne will do as she’s told, just like Rhaena, and Alyssa, and Jeyne, Elinor, Ceryse, Alys, and Tyanna, just like every one of her daughters.

I do get why Alysanne is Alyssa & Aenys’ and not Maegor’s. The weird Targ babies, the line not descending from Visenya, Jaehaerys and Alysanne being held up as the perfect Targaryen couple specifically because they are brother and sister and dragon riders. I do even think canon Alysanne is likely traumatized by her time as a hostage on Dragonstone, and the ensuing war, and the trauma bond that caused with Jaehaerys, and it makes her idolize Jaehaerys, and then he isolates her at Dragonstone so he can swiftly and safely marry, groom, and knock her up. It’s not like,,,, a fun time, and it’s enough to make anyone crazy and weird about their daughters, but I think having her father be Maegor makes Alysanne herself much deeper because it gives her, as the most beloved Targaryen queen, a blood tie to the most hated Targaryen king, and a marriage to the most beloved Targaryen king. It fits better with a lot of the themes of the main series (again, imo) - forcing the spotlight on the outsiders to see how the affect the story from behind the scenes. The fall of Aegon’s sons, and The Long Reign, not told from the PoV or to serve the PoV of any of the kings or princes, but of the queen that tied them all together.

#anti jaehaerys i targaryen #f&b critical #fire and blood critical #asks #thesadboy #like he kind of does this with aenys & maegor by focusing on alyssa and rhaena and the wives and visenya. #but the Moment jaehaerys enters the scene he completely dominates it. the same way daemon and aemond do actually. #but this is not. it should not!! be their story. that’s not how the main series is told anyway!! #if f&b isn’t told by a dornish maester than it should have been written by a septa!!! #nuns wrote books!!!!! #rich noblewomen wrote novels and poetry!!!!!!! #GEORGE DO YOU READ WOMEN. I AM NO LONGER ASKING POLITELY. #i went to look for her mother and apparently this was just a mistake elio made and i’m even more depressed. i can’t believe i’m saying this #but elio damn your mind. #i bet he saw that and went ‘wait which one is her fucjing mother’ and george was like what in the goddamn hell are you talking about. #idk who would be her mother in this au. if we want to keep her within 3 ish years of jaehaerys it Has to be alys or ceryse. ceryse hightowe #is the hilarious and obvious choice. but don’t count out alys harroway second wife here either. #then there’s rhaena as her mother which with the canon timeline makes him 12 years older and isn’t THAT horrible let’s stop here actually.

[reignof-fyre]

I believe that Valyrians of old practised equal primogeniture, and the only thing an heir had to be was a dragonrider. Think about it. They practice incest, so the eldest (say, a daughter) inheriting meant that the firstborn son (say, the second eldest) would be a ruler anyway. Why overlook the dragonriding daughter for a dragonriding son when they'd both end up rulers anyway?

Also, in Old Valyrian, the world's "prince" "princess", and "heir" are all the same: dārilaros, as in, it isn't gendered. This is the biggest clue that they practised equal primogeniture in Valyria and likely gave that up in Westeros to please the misogynistic bastards there.

(Click for better view, from this site)

Also, they were in close proximity to the Rhoynar, and they are confirmed to practice equal primogeniture.

From what we know, Visenya was a warrior and this was accepted by her father and brother-husband as normal. She rode a dragon, which is, again, their normal. It's also heavily implied that Aegon wed Visenya to strengthen his claim to dragonstone, meaning she was the named heir of their father as the eldest no matter her gender.

The Targaryens conceeded a lot when they became Kings and Queens, one being their faith (as far as we know; they could have secretly worshipped the 14 flames of Old Valyria) and they had to have a literal contract written by Jaehaerys and the Faith to be able to continue intermarrying to keep the bloodline pure.

From this, we can extrapolate that Valyrians likely practiced equal primogeniture and it was Jaehaerys, whose best friend was a Septon, who began the trend of being a misogynistic piece of shit to the women of House Targaryen, what with how he disregarded a lot of what Alysanne said to him, disinherited Rhaenys, and allowed Lord's not of House Targaryen to choose the heir to the throne rather than let Rhaenys inherit. He also treated his daughters like absolute shit, calling Saera a whore and barely mourning Viserra, etc.

I definitely think that Jaehaerys, due to his trauma from Maegor, was slowly manipulated by Septon Barth and the men he surrounded himself with to see women as less than, and he alone planted the seeds of rebellion by giving the lords a choice in who would inherit after him when they never should have had the option because in the world of ice and fire the monarchy is absolute and the King's word is absolute law.

Jaehaerys' many mistakes gave the Hightowers a foothold and meant that the realm would undoubtedly be split when it came to the Dance because a previous king (jaehaerys) planted doubts. And also Otto schemed and plotted with alicent and likely the maesters and faith.

In naming Rhaenys heir, Jaehaerys would then have to answer the question as to why he took the throne when Rhaena and Aerea were still alive and the wife and daughter of the last King (Aegon). Jaehaerys was, in actual fact, a usurper if you looked at it at a certain point of view.

The Rightful line of succession should have gone like this going by cannon deaths etc

Aenys > Rhaena > Aerea (died)> Rhaella (if she gave up her septas's vows), or Jaehaerys > daenerys (she died young) > aemon > rhaenys > laena (dies) > Baela (jacaerys as consort) > their firstborn > so on and so forth

But it didn't. Because jaehaerys is a cunt, and so are the women hating, misogynistic andals + faith and maesters.

#anti jaehaerys i targaryen #anti faith of the seven #anti maesters #anti otto hightower #anti alicent hightower #anti alicent stans #awoiaf #asoiaf #asoiaf meta #hotd #daenerys targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #got #anti greens #pro blacks

[taviamoth]

jaehaerys pisses me off like nobody else like. oh my only non-septa daughter spared from my bullshit will be the one married to my favorite son bc they remind me of me and my wife. you get forced marriage, you get a nonsense match to an old man, you get a case of fooling around with boys so catastrophically escalated that i kill your boyfriend and you cut ties to become a brothel madam, you get to be an emotional support animal to your mom who i pressured to have you. btw i'm going against established andal law and previous targaryen precedent to disinherit my dead eldest son's daughter so my favorite son can inherit and then when he's dead i'll call a council that formally passes over rhaenys and her daughter on account of sex (which is a complete aberration from the 'daughters before uncles, male-preference not male-only norm that prevails before and after but in people's heads misogyny = tradition so they don't get it). this will then be used against another targaryen woman but somehow the fact that my royal decree could precede the legal succession won't matter when viserys does the same for rhaenyra.

''he was a good king'' they should've locked him in the small council room and refused to let him do anything else

#anti jaehaerys i targaryen #if i was around circa 101 with godlike powers i would've conjured corlys a 10k ship fleet

[alicenttully]

So, this idea that the maester conspiracy is a real thing due to Targaryen women/Targaryen babes dying in childbirth is actually so funny to me.

So, we have Alyssa, Rhaella, Naerys, and Daella Targaryen. The Velaryons also factor in because they're the "blood of old Valyria" as well, so we have Laena and Alyssa Velaryon. Finally, we have Aemma Arryn whose mother was a Targaryen princess.

You know what maesters have advised against doing? Girls being married off too young because of the higher risk of dying in childbed. You know who did it anyway? Targaryen men like Jaehaerys and Viserys. Jaehaerys married off Daella to Rodrik Arryn when she was sixteen even though it would have been much better for her to wait and guess what she ends up dying giving birth to Aemma. Furthermore, it's thought that because Viserys consumated his marriage with Aemma too soon that contributed to her fertility struggles. Similarly, Rhaella being only fourteen when she gave birth to Rhaegar (in a marriage that her father Jaehaerys II pushed for) would lead to years of the same issues.

When it comes to Naerys, she was similar to Elia Martell in that she never enjoyed good health. The childbed was always going to be more dangerous for her because of that. Naerys was lucky and she conceived Daeron II early in her marriage. Not only did the maesters help Naerys successfully deliver a healthy son, but they also recognised that getting pregnant again could potentially kill Naerys and they warned her. You know who didn't care? Aegon IV.

Concerning Laena Velayron, she was in her twenties and fairly healthy. However, she died but not before giving birth to a twisted and deformed son who did not survive. The Targaryens have a history of these births- Maegor I, Rhaenyra, and later Daenerys. Somehow I don't think it's on the maesters.

When it comes to Alyssa Velayron, it was basically a matter of just because she could still conceive at age 48 doesn't mean pregnancy was a good idea. Not to mention the fact that Alyssa had given birth to Boremund two years before and never recovered from it. Who got her pregnant again anyway? Rogar. Of course it's arguable that Rogar didn't think it would happen again which fair enough, but still- he could have gotten her access to moon tea which again the maesters could help with. But nope.

Finally concerning her namesake Alyssa Targaryen, it was a matter of the birth being difficult for her and her never fully recovering. The son she gave birth to would not survive her long. This is not unique, there are plenty of other women in Westeros who die due to these issues. Ultimately, it doesn't make sense because like Alyssa had already given birth to two healthy sons- Viserys and Daemon. If the maesters really were trying to knock off Targaryen women this way, then why wait until Alyssa is pregnant for the third time?

Tldr: Y'all need to stop demonising maesters lol

#asoiaf #a song ice and fire #anti viserys i targaryen #anti jaehaerys i targaryen #aemma arryn #laena velaryon #house of the dragon #hotd

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

The fact that Visenya proposed to marry Maegor and Rhaena to “settle the matter of succession” is a vital detail in understanding the Targaryen/Valyrian right of primogeniture. It meant that without a doubt to anyone there, Rhaena was going to succeed her father since she was the first born regardless of any other children (sons) that will come after. And by marrying Maegor to the heir of the Iron Throne, they could rule together and any child that comes from them will unquestionably be the heir to the throne.

The fact that after Aenys’ death, Aegon the Uncrowned was championed as heir & not Rhaena has everything to do with them bowing to Andal customs to avoid more strife since it was their Valyrian tradition of sibling marriages that upset the kingdom in the first place HOWEVER it was established by the Conquerors themselves and then reiterated by Aenys’ rule alongside his brother and also Visenya wanting Rhaena and Maegor to marry and rule together, that there is no sole ruler in Targaryen/Valyrian tradition so regardless Aegon was going to be king and Rhaena queen and they would rule together there wasn’t any one is subservient to the other. They just paraded Aegon around as heir to gain the support of the kingdom.

And Rhaena knew it too. She told Alysanne that she & Jaehaerys already have her crown, they will not have her daughter too. “Queen Rhaena grew ever more resentful that her own claim to the Iron Throne, and that of her daughters, had been disregarded in favor of that of “my baby brother” (as she was wont to call Jaehaerys). She was the firstborn, she reminded those who would listen, and had been a dragonrider before any of her siblings, yet all of them and “even my own mother” had conspired to pass her over.”

Everything points out to women inherinting over men if they are the first born of their parents in Valyrian culture.

Very good points, anon. There's also the "Aegon had to marry Visenya for duty" thing. Aegon was crowned, but Visenya (and Rhaenys) was as much of a ruler as he was. I stand by my theory that Aegon allowed Andal customs to get to his head.

In my opinion Rhaena and Maegor should've been wed first, it would have set precedent for a woman heir and a royal consort not to mention joined the bloodlines of Visenya and Rhaenys.

#a song of ice and fire #fire and blood #fire and blood #f&b #old valyria #valyrianscrolls #valyriansource #aegon i targaryen #aegon the conqueror #rhaenys targaryen #rhaenys the conqueror #visenya the conqueror #visenya targaryen #maegor targaryen #maegor the cruel #rhaena targaryen #rhaena the black bride #anti jaehaerys i targaryen

[rhaenin-time]

The funniest part about people who argue that Aemond couldn't have stolen Vhagar because you can't cite Jaehaerys because Jaehaerys would have disinherited Rhaenyra in the first place... is that they're basically arguing that if someone is a misogynist, you must therefore disregard everything they've ever said or done.

Interesting...

#asoiaf #hotd #hotd critical #house of the dragon #team black #asoiaf fandom #anti team green #fire and blood #hotd sexism #anti jaehaerys i targaryen

[kass-of-the-midlands]

This is one of the most ominous passages in the F&b book for me. How did Jae reply? Why was his reply never recorded if Alysanne’s line was?

#yeeeeesh #jae had NO REASON for pushing viserra+daella into marriage as he did. and the whole implication with saera’s hypersexuality+cocaa……..yeah no #AND alysanne having children ‘to her suprise and dismay’ when she clearly DOESNT WANT TO #anti jaehaerys i targaryen #house targaryen #fire and blood #daella targaryen #asoiaf #alysanne targaryen

[agentrouka-blog]

The IRONY that is Jaehaerys overthrowing his usurping uncle to immediately himself becoming a usurping uncle lol

To be fair, he's really just upholding Targaryen family tradition of strongly preferring male heirs, and Rhaena happened to agree at the time (when she had no real support of her own, anyway) that he should claim the throne instead of fighting for Aerea's inheritance. He was explicitly fighting Maegor to claim the throne, not just to overthrow him in general. So everyone just shrugged it off, and Rhaella and Aerea both conveniently died childless, leaving no rival branch that could produce a challenger to Jaehaerys's descendents.

I mean, really, Jaehaerys (I keep wanting to call him Ja-harry) is just upholding his own values.

Alysanne, on the other hand, is being a bit of a hypocrite for thinking that little Daenerys (and later grandchild Rhaenys) should be heir, when her husband's reign is mostly resting on the fact that their (targcest hilarity) elder sister Rhaena was never truly considered an eligible heir to the throne, and only became queen as wife of their second-born brother Aegon.

The Great Council confirming his preference of grandson Viserys (Baelon's son) over great-grandson Laenor (Rhaenys's son) basically follows all those precedents of choosing a royal brother (uncle) over a royal daughter and her descendents. Which is what made Rhaenyra's case so very explosive.

#anti jaehaerys i targaryen #anti targaryen #targaryen succession

[green-aeggs-and-spam]

do not engage with the Jaehaerys fanboys do not engage with the Jaehaerys fanboys do not

#yeah i was on reddit again #author ramblings #anti jaehaerys i targaryen

[livelybook]

I got sucked into the Aegon and Rhaenrya marriage scheme, and it's opened an entire different cans of worms this time

People say Aegon and Rhaenrya's marriage would solve the Dance of the Dragons but they'd be wrong and ignoring the obvious which is who between them would be settling for the consort title and who'd Viserys even set aside Rhaenrya as heir for Aegon(which he didn't do even in canon) if he allowed the marriage or who'd he make Aegon the consort or who'd he ignore the heir issue and let his silence imply everything for everyone to misinterpret. I mean to the Green team(Otto at front and center) it'd obviously be Rhaenrya but by the time Aegon comes of age, Rhaenrya would be firstly older and hopefully had secured a powerful political cemented over those long years which would make it more difficult for them to dispute her as heir or even if they do, they won't be able to take Kingslanding from her(unlike in canon but I feel that Alicent and Otto being able to secure the marriage from when she was younger who'd cause her to feel an even more oppresive pressure as the Green would gloat/be smug about their victory for the throne all through her younger years until she makes herself a problem for them)

The overarching problem would be what about Daemon?

I feel like Daemon and the Velaryons would then form another faction against them though cause that'd be like 3 dragons from Daemon, Baela(assuming the war starts before or once Rhaenrya finally marries Aegon and is pregnant so there's absolutely no chance for Daemon anymore, anyway by the time that happens the girls and their dragons should be all grown up) & Rhaena(assuming since her egg doesn't hatch, she could go claim a dragon from Dragonstone). Plus 2 dragons from Rhaenys and Laenor. And assuming Laena dies & Vhagar is lost as well, Daemon could then remarry and have other children who could claim Vhagar so that'd be 4-6 dragons against Team Green & Team Black(4-5 dragons from Green depending if Aemond gets Vhagar or another dragon plus Rhaenrya).

I feel like Daemon would try to start a war before Aegon and Rhaenrya had children so the count of the dragons would be more on his side and Team Black & Green wouldn't be able to use any children's marriages to lure people their way

And while the Green children could still marry any of Laena or Laenor's children or even Laena/Laenor if they don't marry, I don't think Corlys spite would allow that when Daemon is right there connected with Laena already with greatest closest chance than anyone else at that moment(5-6 vs 4-5 dragons fight) for the title of king if he won

The Targaryens especially in the Dance of the Dragons feel like a neverending circle of two snakes devouring each other, the earlier generations to the next generations, from parents to their childrens. The parents raising their children the only way they know how to until the children finally grow up and devour their parents because that's the only way they've ever known how to live

#Season 2 being replaced with another montage of “What are we gonna do about Daemon?” #anti targaryen #anti viserys i targaryen #Forever gonna be screwing everyone every which way #Wait #We can also blame this on Jaehaerys #anti jaehaerys i targaryen #The ultimate villain of Dance of the Dragons #Wasn't enough he got nearly all his kids dead #He gotta get his grandkids and greatgrandkids or whatever their incest wreath says they are beyond the grave too #Honestly #What are we gonna do about Daemon montages as Hod seasons would have slapped so much #it'd be hilarious #so much potential #A dark comedy series where Daemon does whatever the hell he wants since he's the King's brother #Being his special evil self all through Westeros #“Special” in derogatory #And whenever anyone's else viewpoint is shown #They're like going he's rebelling #He's in a tavern pretending he's drinking but really it's the place where his forces are meeting up #He's in Essos to get support and money for his war #Constant conspiracy theories abound #And it cuts to Daemon In Essos #Face down in the muddy ground sobbing pathetically because his older brother banished his clingy ass again #Refused even the closest being to Viserys in the world #Just wandering around no great plan giving everyone within reach as much misery as he's feeling #Until the very second Viserys dies #They'll all realize he's been on a leash #And everyone's just trying to get the fuck out of the grief stricken madman's way #Who's planning on taking everyone out with him in his grief

[vllsenya]

the argument that visenya would’ve loved aemond bc she was a ‘usurper’ is so funny bc what she always prioritized was the strength of her house. she founded the kingsguard, gave aenys the best advice, even offered to the dirty job. greens are the reason targs lost their power. visenya didn’t put maegor on the throne for funsies, she wanted her house to remain strong and powerful and only somebody like maegor could’ve dealt with westerosi bullshit which he did. by the end of his reign jaehaerys completely gave up into whatever maesters were whispering in his ears, he literally made otto his hand and look where we are now ...............

#visenya targaryen #asoiaf #anti jaehaerys i targaryen

[atopvisenyashill]

something occurred to me that supports your theory that jaehaerys fathered gael's child. gael has bael the bard references, and i've wondered why that is. her story is closer to ashara's than the actual bael story, though, and ashara's inverted bael referenes are there to point toward lyanna being the true winter rose and jon's true mother. so i was thinking about what's different or missing in gael's story, and it occurred to me that bael was a king disguised as a singer to seduce young maiden.

AND THEY SPECIFICALLY NAME A SINGER OH

JAEHAERYS I WILL HAVE YOUR HEAD OH MY GOD

#gael targaryen #anti jaehaerys i targaryen #i need a tag for this avtually #asks #transdimensional void #ugh man it’s just a lot. i’m so depressed.

[reignof-fyre]

You know, house Targaryen and their dragons would have survived and thrived if Jaehaerys I wasn't such an old, misogynistic cunt. If he hadn't tried to placate the lords of the realm and oh, I don't know, just named Rhaenys heir?

By calling the great council, Jaehaerys not only set a precedent that women couldn't inherit, but the lords have a say on who sits the throne, when in the time period asoiaf is set in, its an absolute monarchy and the King's word is law. He could have named Rhaenys, hell he could have named Daemon as heir and the lords would have to accept it because the King's word is law.

I get that Jaehaerys lived through the reign of maegor and probably was desperate for nothing like that to happen again, but the irony is that his choices also contributed to the Dance of the Dragons. His passing over Rhaenys and allowing the lords - high and low - the choice of who sits the iron throne, was the first step of House Targaryen's downfall.

He could have decreed Rhaenys his heir, who was still known as Princess Rhaenys despite having married Corlys, and have her kids' last names changed to Targaryen, limited the power of the Consort (corlys), and put forth laws that only targaryens may sit the throne even if their father isn't one. Like???

I'll always support my Queen Rhaenyra, but jaehaerys really fucked over the women of House Targaryen when it's actual canon that Targ women were always equal to their male counterparts. Visenya and Rhaenys I were warriors, even if Rhaenys I preferred not to fight. It's even canon that aegon married Visenya to become lord of dragonstone, hinting that Visenya was the heir???

Jaehaerys started the downfall of House Targaryen, Viserys pushed it along, and Otto Hightower took advantage of it, and you can't change my mind.

#anti jaehaerys i targaryen #anti viserys i targaryen #anti house hightower #asoiaf #me #hotd #daenerys targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #got #anti alicent hightower #anti otto hightower