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dragon-business · 7 months

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Y0 antagonists ratings/opinions

Mister(s) Shakedown(s) + Amon

Didn't get to Amon in Y0, because we didn't finish these quests. One of the few that we didn't do in full, actually. Didn't seem as fun at the moment. Amon gets a pass, because he gets more screen time in later games.

Evilness: 4/10 robbing people is bad, I heard Forgetability: 7/10 hard to forget, when Amons are in each game Iconic level: friend of a mutual tells me they’re cool/10 memes Free slot: ????too hard to get through to the good parts

2. Helicopter-car chases

These sequences was pure torture. My hands were cramped even when I wasn't holding the controller. Every minute lasted an hour. The fucking bazookas? Infuriating. Worst survival horror game.

Evilness: 9/10 fuck this shit, let me out of the car Forgetability: 1/10 still feel the cramps .__, Iconic level: 0.5/10 “look, just like in the movies, right?” Free slot: 1,5/10 on enjoyment scale

3. Cult leader from the substory

Pretty funny scam artist, all the later games character development got him on the list. We love us a lil fucked up reoccurring character.

Evilness: 8/10 doing terrible things to vulnerable people Forgetability: 4/10 forgot about him each time until the next appearance Iconic level: 4/10 will never forget that dance Free slot: retirement home for one million years for the grandpa

4. Dojima captain guy 1

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Evilness: 7/10 he’s a yakuza, after all, he’s done some bad stuff, probably Forgetability: 10/10 who? Iconic level: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Free slot: forgot he existed

5. Dojima captain guy 2

Purple suit guy with the boxing/dancing ring in the basement was pretty fab. He gets extra points for the drip. Otherwise idk what he- wait he saved Majima that one time? Huh. You keep learning things.

Evilness: 7/10 normal yakuza guy doing yakuza things Forgetability: 9/10 I know he was there, I guess Iconic level: 3/10 purple suit points Free slot: purple suit, that’s all I remember

6. Kuze

First fight with him was pretty tough. And then he just kept coming back, again and again. With desperate determination. And Kiryu got stronger and stronger between each encounter. And Kuze stayed on the same level, just looking more and more beat up. And that's amazing storytelling through game mechanics, but also really iconic, ngl.

I mean, man rode a dang motorbike in the sewers. He got the motorbike in the sewers, positioned it in the right spot to start the chase (did he get help for that?), and then rode it down there, through the nasty Kamurocho pipes, hunting down an annoying twunk like a medieval baron chasing a boar. All this while already beat up by said twunk. And he gets beaten again. Rolling in that sweet sewage water in his bandages.

Evilness: 6/10 he’s out there vibing to his own tunes Forgetability: 1/10 he Will Not Let You Forget about him, even if you’d want to Iconic level: 8/10 meme icon Free slot: he seemed like real threat at the start, but by the chase in the sewers he was our pal, our failmate bro, all the respect to his dedication o7; 4/10 on actual fights and smartness

7. Kashiwagi

He's on the list for what he did to Nishiki. Just sent the brother of his son to kill, uhh, his son. Just like that. Like, I get that he had his reasons, he really thought he was doing good, he thought he's saving Kiryu from suffering. Because of course it is all about Kiryu and what he supposedly (probably) (maybe) needs.

Evilness: 7/10 good intentions on the way down Forgetability: 0.5/50 look at him slurping cold noodles in his first scene, he’s stealing the show Iconic level: 7.5/10, again, look at the man eating noodles like a dad Free slot: 2/10 top tier dad, bless.

8. Sagawa

He's such a masterfully done abuser. Partially because he acts so nice. But there's always an unnerving feeling underneath it.

He only resorts to violence when everything's gone to shit. But it always feels like he's capable of it at any moment. It's like a rock constantly looming over, waiting to drop.

Evilness: 8.5/10 on the creep scale, very good for the story Forgetability: 2/10 he’s in your walls, he owns your walls, your balls, and your paycheck Iconic level: 6/10 smartly dressed Free slot: 1/10 as a person, would deck him on sight; thank g-d Majima's away from him now

9. Shimano

Smart, playing the long game, but really, in Y0 he seemed smarter than he is.

Long distance threat to Majima's safety, the threat he has trouble seeing as one. And that's the real kicker, that's the horror of it all – Majima striving to get back in the family, back under Shimano's thumb in his self-destructive last mission quest. Majima deciding to come back/stay even after the Hole, after y0, Majima getting so close to freedom but not being able to grasp it, and rationalising staying near Shimano for years, rebelling, but never separating in full.

And Shimano perfectly understands the power he has over Majima, and is always ready to use it. To break him at a moment's notice, if it will be useful for his plans. And this is way more uncomfortable and terrifying than Sagawa's brand of underlying threat.

Evilness: 12/10 made us start the “save Majima” movement Forgetability: 0/100 burned into my brain in the worst way possible Iconic level: 3/7 fashion sense is kinda bland, but he does have a presence Free slot: again, would deck on sight, but still – amazing character writing, very cool points for Majima’s story

10. Oda

Big oof moment, amaright?..

Such a fascinating character. He's not stereotypical, and has a compelling, layered personality, which is amazing for a gay man in the big hit game. But also. Ooof. Such a big oooof.

But, surprisingly in this day and age, it's not being gay that made him a piece of trash awful man who died. He was all that on his own, it was just his shit finally catching up to him in the end. And the love for Tachibana was actually his saving grace in life, a point of growth as a person (albeit small). So not denying him that, no. Even one-sided, it made him more human.

Idk if writers did all that on purpose, but these points felt very distinct in the story.

It's fascinating how Oda's character is a (terrible) person first, and he just happens to be gay. But also, him being gay is ultimately important. We played y0 before all the gay shows took over the screens, and this storyline hit us like a train. Can tell you a lot about the state of queer media at the time.

– Me, after we've met Oda: hehe, he totally has it for the boss The plot:

– Me, after seeing them interact on screen: hehe, Tachibana is making him suffer :3c Me, when plot: .___.

Evilness: 9.5/10 the 0.5 is from his love for Tachibana Forgetability: -100/10 I lay awake at night thinking about this bitch Iconic level: 1000/5 look at him, man’s shining Free slot: Bidoof

11. Nishitani

Hated him at the start, because he's a creepy cat, because of the noises, and also because of that one slide on the ground with the knife wiggle, you know the one. Unironically love him now, because the world out there is full of far worse people, and he sure did his attempt at surviving it.

(He totally crawled away at the end, no body no finale, I stan by this)

Evilness: 7/10 he's pretty fucked up, ngl, bringing corpses to Majima like a stray cat Forgetability: -10/10 lives rent free in everyone's head Iconic level: 9/10 man's been on the screen the least but made an impression of a lifetime (on all of us, and on Majima) Free slot: yet another normal cat that everyone think is a "mad dog"; honorary Knife Guy

12. Dojima

Organized a wholeass hunt for Kiryu, got Makoto shot, planned a big power grab, put it all on the table… and lost it all. To Sera.

Respecting him for the effort, he didn't let us rest once. Not respecting what his drinking (and other life choices) made him into later, but even before that I struggle to see what Yayoi saw in him. Apart from maybe her being a young girl from a yakuza family that arranged a political marriage for her when she wasn't even 20 yet. And there is a story here that can be very interesting, like, did you know that (according to rggo) at this exact time Sera was a student that was often arrested on protests? In this essay I will-

Evilness: solid 8/10 he do be scheming Forgetability: 1/10 dragon of who, you say? (Kiryu is very much the dragon of Daigo by this point, but yeah) Iconic level: 5/10 dressed good and has big presence, but derails down the line to a total (not hot) mess, so no respect Free slot: you know, right? Daigo is totally Seras' so- *gets gutted by Yayoi*

13. Knife guy

When Kiryu went through his (and ours) first Long Building™️ to get to the (first) fight with Kuze, we encountered Him. The guy with the knife.

It was already tough going through room after room of generic enemies when Kiryu wasn't that strong yet, and we weren't that skilled with the controls. And the Knife Guy was the first recurring enemy, a small mini-boss with a stabby knife that would bleed us dry and leave us savescumming. And he kept coming back. Again, and again, and again, and-

Before Kuze. Before Majima Everywhere. Before everything. There was an unkillable lil freak with a knife that just wouldn't quit until you literally threw him out of the 2nd floor window.

And I think it's beautiful.

Evilness: 5/10 man’s just doing his yakuza job, and doing it well Forgettability: -10000000000/10 who could ever forget this man the- *checks notes on the hand* Tomoda Iconic level: ∞-1/10 there is a knife guy shape forever imprinted in our hearts but there is still free room left, because Free slot: in this world only Majima surpasses him, because Majima is, of course, The Ultimate Knife Guy

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stupid-sloot-headcanons · 3 months

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Btw the reasons Palekana and the goddess Nele are used instead of the actual Hawaiian pantheon and Pele are probably twofold:

Most likely is that RGG's developers didn't want to use the actual Hawaiian religion because it'd be disrespectful, as (SPOILERS) it's been twisted into a cult that brainwashes its members. Even if the original religion isn't evil in the game, I think they wanted to avoid offending Hawaiians by including the gods and belief system in their main antagonist's facton. Like how they take inspiration from actual Japanese cults with the Shooreh Pippi group and whatnot

And/or it serves as a bit of meta commentary. Like this white fella takes existing Hawaiian culture and distorts it into his own vision, erasing its authenticity. Literal colonization. Given that RGG managed to write about other existing social issues in Hawaii like the rampant homeless issue, dependence on tourism, and American businessmen "developing" indigenous land, I could actually see Bryce perverting and changing the identity of real Hawaiian beliefs down to their names while he lies about being a master sage being intentional on the writers' part

Also I love the way parallels are all over this game. Yamai's story of a man killing his patriarch over an obsession with a woman is an inversion of Kiryu's story in Yakuza 1: Dojima tries to assault Yumi and the plot of the game starts when Nishiki kills him to defend her and Kiryu takes the heat. Palekana Orphanage insisting on not converting children who inevitably join the cult is a lot like Kazama constantly telling his kids "don't join the Yakuza despite seeing how FUCKING COOL I, YOUR BIGGEST INSPIRATION AND FATHER FIGURE AM AS A YAKUZA"

#sloot plays #infinite wealth spoilers

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gio-cosmo · 5 months

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adachi, yay or nay

[Persona 4 spoilers below]

Yay! 🎉

The second he first appeared I pointed at my screen and said “This is the one! This is my favorite character! I’m sure he’ll do nothing wrong in the history of ever!” so you can imagine my increasing devastation as the game progressed 💀 I always have a tendency to fixate on characters that end up being ridiculously antagonistic…and yet I’m shocked each time.

However! If there’s one thing I love to do in my free time it’s over analyze villainous characters and dissect them into bits, because antagonistic characters tend to be the most well written/have the most interesting backgrounds imo (not in all cases obviously, but you get my point). I think Adachi is a very complex character, much more complex then people give him credit for. He’s my favorite antag of the series, and I think the way he was written as a villain and the way he parallels not only Yu, but so many members of the Investigation Team is so fantastic. So while I obviously don’t support his actions or anything because…yikes!…I do appreciate the complexity of his character as a whole.

Also, on a less serious note, I enjoy his silly antics before he’s like. Outed as a murderer lmfao. I think it’s funny that he just walks up to this group of teens and starts spewing information about a sensitive police case and then is like “oh whoops lol maybe I shouldn’t have said that 😓” and nobody questions it at all. They all collectively shrug their shoulders and are like “typical Adachi moment!”

I’ve also stated this before, but the dynamic between Adachi and Dojima is something I really enjoy and I think is often very overlooked! I am once again bringing up the end of the Adachi section of P4AU…and I am once again bawling my eyes out.

So anyways. Adachi is a favorite of mine for sure!

#playing p4 for the first time was actually insane bc I was trying so hard to convince myself he wasn’t the killer #i wanted him to remain silly and goofy so desperately…😞#to be entirely honest Adachi is my favorite character in the entire Persona franchise #I do NOT support or condone his actions though 🙅‍♂️ I cannot stress this enough lmao #I even considered dropping 70$ on a small Adachi figure once…the brainrot is so severe #thanks for the ask! :) rambling is my favorite thing ever actually #persona 4 #tohru adachi #persona 4 spoilers

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kokomiin · 8 months

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loose thoughts on persona 4 golden finally (I always say this and then the post ends up being super long)

I'm really glad this is the version I played first, being able to do Adachi's social link, the cast's pair attacks, the updated artwork, and Marie were all wonderful. I was especially surprised by how much I ended up liking Marie, if I didn't know Golden was a rerelease I would barely have realised she was a new character. She fit in with the themes of the game well, especially in the ending.

My biggest gripe, and what probably made me take so long to really get into the game, was the dungeon gameplay... when I first played it was like "oh, nice, it's just persona 3 again" but the enemy balancing and monotonous procedurally generated dungeon style was legit painful at times, in natural persona fashion it got much easier to deal with once I had a stronger team later in the game (Kanji + Yukiko + Naoto sweep) but I would love a remake someday if only for them to improve on the dungeons. there is a lot more they could do with them if they implemented a more P5 palace style to them as well, since they're representing the minds of certain characters. Even though Tartarus is also a procedurally generated dungeon, that can get repetitive, the gameplay cycle (at least in portable) felt better for progression and the enemy balancing was definitely completely different - maybe the way they had multiple minibosses along the way to the end of each block is what made it feel better? idk

I heard that some people disliked Marie's dungeon, but I honestly didn't mind it at all. I thought the gimmick shook things up in a way that was necessary since at that point I was just destroying everybody, I liked it more than Izanami's dungeon.

For the story, I had already been spoiled on the culprit as you all know, but I still thoroughly enjoyed the writing and the way everything unfolded really caught me off guard at times and had me still wondering what was really going on. Mitsuo, Namatame and Adachi were all great antagonists and each of their chapters of the game were memorable to me, especially the kidnapping of Nanako. The game was great at making me feel uneasy.

By the end of it, I felt super satisfied. I didn't get to finish a lot of the social links - some of them I didn't know existed - but I finished the whole investigation team and Nanako and Dojima, and really loved how all of their arcs progressed through the game. I went through a real rollercoaster with Yosuke, thinking he was cool, then thinking he was annoying and gross, and then being like yeah wow I really like the journey he's had as a person. The epilogue ending for Golden was really perfect, and I wish P5R had gotten something like that instead of what they did to the last cutscene...

I might have forgotten some stuff, but basically game good! Great even! I think it is right behind P5 as my favourite persona game so far. Now for the character tier list...

see you next time when i finally finish tears of the kingdom

#dess

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spitblaze · 1 year

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I haven't played Y6 for myself yet, but I'm a very nosy person, so I need to ask you what exactly happened in the game /lh

uuuugh okay im gonna put the thing that fucked it for me under spoilers

so at the beginning of the game Haruka runs away from home to do. something. she has a kid. and gets hit by a car. shes out cold in the hospital for like 99% of the game. bad start already, yakuza will never beat the misogyny allegations. The game is also EASILY the most racist the series has ever been since yakuza 2 and if you've played yakuza 2 that should ring some fuckin alarm bells

if it doesnt: yakuza 2 had a crooked cop who turned out to be a good guy actually. because he shot every korean he ever saw on sight and it turned out that every single one of them belonged to a secret evil mafia. every. single. korean. in one of the busiest districts of tokyo. you cant fucking make this up

anyway despite all that Yakuza 6's plot is pretty dang solid right up until the end of the final boss. The game was intended to be a send-off for Kiryu, his story was over, and someone else (Ichiban!) would take the reins. It wasn't, like, perfect, none of the characters you'd really WANT to see for a 'Kiryu Dies' ending were there, even though I love the Hirose clan. But still, if it had stopped there and Kiryu died, Yakuza 6 would still be a solid like...7-8 out of ten. Mechanically solid if simpler than its predecessors, a nice cohesive plot (5 was a mess. it was such a mess), and an emotionally satisfying resolution.

And then. The after-credits scenes.

So Haruka woke up from her coma only a little bit before the final boss, and we see her having a good time with her kid and the kid's dad, it's sweet, Kiryu is writing something at the desk but we don't get to see it. But in the after-credits scene, we do! It's a reflection on the themes of the story, of the many fathers in the game who took the familial bonds with their children for granted and how that came back to bite them, how patterns they didn't want to see repeated reared their heads because they didn't put in the effort to stop it, didn't think to speak to their children, didn't think to show them love or care, because to them it was a given that parents and children have a bond. Never mind that any bond requires effort to maintain. And Kiryu talks about that in his letter, how he regrets not spending more time together as a family, speaks about how sorry he is for doing the exact same thing that all of those antagonists did.

The entire time this scene is going, it frequently cuts back to Haruka playing with baby Haruto on the other side of the room as he writes. Haruka, the child that Kiryu took in and raised. He's supported her and all of the kids at Morning Glory since 3, gave his everything for them, sent money and kept leaving and disappearing just to keep them safe. And what does Haruka do the moment that Kiryu can no longer be in charge? She does the same thing. She learned it from him. She disappears, runs away from her responsibilities to sacrifice herself. She's Kiryu's child through and through, even if she only ever calls him 'ojisan'. It cuts to her while Kiryu talks about family. And failing as a father figure. And how he wanted to be so much more. The fact that Kiryu is writing a letter instead of saying it out loud feels a little odd, but not that weird considering his character. He's emotionally constipated, speaking from the heart is something he just can't do on the spot. Being open with his emotions is one of his big weaknesses, and writing this letter for Haruka, knowing he probably won't come out of this final confrontation alive, is still a meaningful gesture from him.

AND THEN IT TURNS OUT THE LETTER WAS FOR FUCKING DAIGO DOJIMA, A MAN WHO IS LESS THAN TEN YEARS YOUNGER THAN KIRYU, WHO HAS NEVER ONCE CONSIDERED THIS MAN A FATHER FIGURE AND KIRYU HAS NEVER ONCE CONSIDERED A SON. IT'S FOR DAIGO. WHY IS IT FOR DAIGO??? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHY IT'S FOR DAIGO HE DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING THE ENTIRE GAME HE WAS JUST SITTING IN PRISON IF KIRYU WANTED TO TELL HIM TO BE DIPLOMATIC WITH THE HIROSHIMA YAKUZA HE COULDVE JUST SAID THAT BUT NO WE GET A LETTER ABOUT HOW KIRYU CONSIDERED THIS GROWN-ASS MAN HIS CHILD??? AND NOT FUCKING HARUKA WHO HES BEEN BUSTING HIS ASS FOR THE ENTIRE GAME???????? WHAT THE FUCK. WHY. WHY WAS IT FOR DAIGO. IVE BEEN BANGING MY HEAD FOR THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS OVER THIS WHY IN GODS NAME DID THEY MAKE THE LETTER FOR DAIGO

God. Okay. That's not even the end of it but that's the part that pissed me off the most. The last part that made me go 'you know what they should've just killed kiryu actually they shouldve put him out of his misery'. is when he gets bribed by a politician to keep his mouth shut about the Plot Boat. And his condition for silence is that he wants to fake his death. And he can never see his family again. So it ends. With Kiryu. Yet again. Running away. From his responsibilities. God. Its so infuriating. Do you see now why the ending retroactively ruined the entire game for me. Do you understand my pain

#spitblaze says things #yakuza #yakuza spoilers #yakuza 6

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zaddyazula · 7 months

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yakuza final review?

fhsiaosjhde i love this question!!!!! (spoiler bit is under the cut)

i really do not like the fighting in 4. i will not lie. it’s really fun in the other games (even 3 which is known as blockuza 😭😭😭) and i only enjoyed one fight. in the entire game. in 22 hours of my playing i enjoyed a singular fight, mainly because of how annoying the other ones were. they weren’t necessarily hard, but just very, very tedious and mini-bosses who made me want to kill myself.

the story on the other hand is one of my favourites in the series. 4 protagonists!!!! 4 main characters!!!!! they all had 4 parts each with 4 chapters each and it actually got going pretty quickly. it didn’t drag out at the start like in 3 where for 5 FUCKING CHAPTERS (probably about 6 hours of playing) was housewife simulator and i was debating quitting the game. i will admit i wasn’t 100% at first, but as the story moved on i started to like it even more. the story isn’t as good as 0’s or 2’s (in my opinion) but it’s still a really enjoyable story which has the same amount of silliness as the others. four main characters also meant four final bosses though, though the first three were fine. it’s the just the last one which is really my fault for being annoying. i didn’t have enough money to get recovery items before the point of no return so i crossed my fingers and hoped for the best. managed to get to it by 12am and got steamrolled even after changing to easy. ended up reloading the save and doing the other three fights again, before managing to the the last one first try on normal after all of that. the one fight that i enjoyed was the third boss fight which i actually played properly for once. because i was impatient i did the first two on easy to save time (i did them on normal the first time anyways) but the third one i just played on normal because i enjoy it so much.

all of the big bads weren’t even really big bads, apart from one dickhead who just annoyed me greatly (the last boss). one guy was a police officer pretending to be a yakuza, one was some washed up ass yakuza and the other was the guy who the main main character (of all the other games) made head of their yakuza clan (tojo clan) at the end of 2. he was in a coma for all of 3 and i was screaming at the tv for the whole fight taking the piss out of him. what a clown. he had it coming. he put my favourite character (majima) in jail.

the game took a bit of patience at times, but i would play it again if someone held a gun to my head. i really hate the combat.

i really wish i was able to record my voice along while playing so you could hear the ramblings i go on with. maybe next time.

i think that’s all of my thoughts (spoiler free). now. spoiler time 💥💥💥

THIS BITCH ON THE LEFT. THIS FUCKING CUNT. he’s the boss fight i actually enjoyed. guy on the right is my favourite character. who daigo put in jail.

I ACTUALLY LIKED HIM AND THEN THIS GAME THE MAN WENT OFF HIS TITS. I MADE HIM SIXTH FUCKING CHAIRMAN OF THE TOJO CLAN AND HE HAS THE FUCKING NERVE TO TRY AND MOLLYWOPP ME. I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I WAS (whisper) SCREAMING “STOMP THIS BITCH OUT” AT THE TV. I WAS INSULTING THIS FUCKING WASHED OUT FUCK LIKE IT WAS A SPORT. FUCKER WAS TRYING TO BE RYUJI (antagonist from 2 who wasn’t even that evil). WAS REALLY TRYING TO ACT LIKE HE WASN’T GONNA GET WASHED. BY THE DRAGON OF FUCKING DOJIMA. REALLY TRYING TO ACT LIKE HE WASN’T GONNA GET HIS ASS TIGER DROPPED.

moving on.

these are the main guys. like damn i love it when we get a lined up shot like this. left to right is: akiyama, saejima, kiryu (main man) and tanimura. that’s also the order of the boss fights. i really like talking to fake chat as well, and i swear i wish i was able to record me fucking ranting on at these bitches. all it takes is one boss fight and it’s me ranting about some random nonsense.

at lot of this game was running back and forth between places which got very boring VERY quickly. unlike in 0, 1 and 2, i did not have a blast all the time playing this. as getting stopped five million times trying to move across the map is actually rage inducing. some of the “boss” fights were just me getting grabbed by their support demons over and over again. i was losing my shit by the end of it. had to go for karaoke a couple of times.

i honestly think that’s all i can say.

#yakuza 4 #yakuza #yakuza 4 spoilers #zad talks #my asks

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uncleardyn · 1 year

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📓 :3

its time for. the "nishikiyama and kiryu both go to jail" au! i probably should think of a better name for it

honestly the whole concept of the au is right what it says on the tin. instead of fleeing soon after kiryu arrives in the aftermath of shooting dojima, nishiki gathers himself long enough to remember the events at the end of yakuza 0 and argues that kiryu should take yumi and get out of there, which devolves into them arguing about it, mostly nishikiyama saying that he shouldn't just let kiryu take the fall for him, which means they uh. are both still there when the cops show up and both end up being placed under arrest.

they immediately both start pointing fingers at themselves as the murderer, claiming that if the other one is claiming to do it, they're trying to cover for the other. this lack of clarity at who actually killed dojima, combined with the fact that both kiryu's and nishiki's prints are on the guns, leads to both of them ending up in prison with the exact same charges. date finds this especially frustrating, since he knows one of them has to be the actual murderer, but there's little to no indication of who it truly is.

in the aftermath of their arrests, yumi dissapears soon after being released from police custody. nishikiyama, from prison, tries to get a message to kazama to ask him to look after yuko, although this responsibility seemingly gets passed on to kashiwagi, and even then only because kiryu also sends a seperate message of the same nature.

so 10 years later, the two of them get out of jail! yumi is still missing, but yuko is still alive at the very least! but she and nishiki have fallen out of touch during his stay in prison, so she isn't in kamurocho. but the two of them, unsure of what to do really, return to kamurocho, escorted by date, to see what has changed. the two eventually vow to find yumi and help her if she needs it.

most of the first yakuza just ends up playing out, with, of course, the Major Exception of nishikiyama no longer being an antagonist and having the story instead be two middle-aged men trying to figure out What The Fuck is going on at all times. honestly the plot gets a little uh. Blurry for me mentally after the two get out of jail bc i sometimes forget what the actual plot of yakuza 1 is and how'd i need to restructure it for this to work properly but also wow haruka how come you get two ojisans.

idk theres a lot of stuff about kiryu and nishiki being able to grow together, reforging lost connections and making new ones, learning that the people you look up to are very imperfect and how good friends help you overcome your perceived weaknesses. also the infinite power of fucking around with your bro

#you got this for uh. Reasons. you can come to your own conclusions.#but hehe thank you!! been a while since i thought abt the nishiki-kiryu go to jail au more in depth #need to like. outline it more properly. decide on what exactly would change if both of them went to jail and howd id want to change it #but at least they can still sing judgement together am i right fellas #lesbianstufful #long post #rgg #almost did this aus meaner cousin: the nishiki still snaps but to the left au. still like that au a lot.#nishiki gets to be mean to mine in that one. its what they both deserve.

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daxieoclock · 2 years

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{h} VANE I HAD A COOL THOUGHT. u have to mix up the persona protags (3-5) and put them with a different group. up to u if this is for the plot of their game or with the group established. who goes with who and why and how do they fit into the dynamic

!!!! That’s such a cool idea!!! I’m gonna do what comes to mind and just swap from the very start, cut and paste sorta dealio

Hm hm hm…I’ll assume that Minako and Minato are a package deal, so they’d both get moved to that other group. And speaking of! Let’s start with them.

I think the Arisatos would both fit extremely well in the phantom thieves. Whether they’re siblings or a system, either way I think p5’s themes of rebellion versus sloth works really well for minato’s difficulties with moving forward, tending towards passivity and acceptance for a while, while minako’s upbeat personality could get them both through those early couple palaces but she would struggle more with the pervasive anxiety and depressing during the thieves’ kinda downswing from the end of the okumura arc until midway through the yaldy arc.

I would also really love to see their foiling with Akechi. Like. It wouldn’t them be the same as ren’s, but I think they could have some real fascinating interactions. Oh, and imagine how jazzed Futaba would be to have TWO cool and dorky older siblings. Dual wielding key items dhfhfg

Yu is probably the hardest one to fit in any persona game outside of his own, since he’s just…the most terminally unaffected character in the modern trilogy. The only other place that made sense for him would be in a game where he could be a background character, since he already kind of is in p4. So, even though it would probably be to the detriment of the game and story, I think he could manage alright enough in p3.

The thieves could operate autonomously if joker were a cardboard cutout, but ren’s role as leader is tantamount to their success, unity and continued ability to find new thieves. SEES on the other hand…I mean, it would be a less compelling game, but Arisato isn’t a linchpin of their ability to actually function. They’re important to the members of SEES, but not necessarily to the existence of the team itself.

So I think Narukami could do fine enough just standing in the background and being a bland motivational speaker. Like we didn’t need or even want a second Junpei, but at least he could help by being the one trauma-free ally in the friend group who helps make sure things get done.

And now. The fun one. Ren in Persona 4. This could go one of two ways. Either nothing significant changes and Ren is fucking miserable the whole time like Naoto and Kanji and Rise but at least he’s a good mystery solver, cause he’s smart and clever and in his own game was set up as a foil to a literal actual detective.

And! The fact that the “foil” style villain of p4 is a COP makes a ton more sense for Ren than yu. Like Adachi still doesn’t foil Ren directly, but he’d be a great fakeout final antagonist, the avatar of the primary villain being a police officer makes sense and would push Ren to his limits. So that’s already an improvement. He’d also be a fantastic big brother to nanako, even though his bond with dojima would be a lot more strained.

But assuming some aspects of the story would change to cater to this new protagonist…g-d the game could be so good actually. Like Ren helping be that emotional core for the investigation team, bonding with naoto (transmasc to transmasc communication), helping both support and defend his new friends without allowing any of their occasional bullshit, it could really lead the team towards an ending where they all are happy and comfortable in themselves and feel genuinely at home in this new found family unit, rather than how canon feels where everyone is all smiles and good times and then as soon as they drift apart even a centimeter the entire team fractures in half irreparably.

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the thing is like people hate on yakuza 3 a lot because its like, kiryu fucking around in okinawa for like 10 hours straight. which like, fair, if you're not into morning glory simulator (i for one am) like i can see why.

but the story is, for all its corniness, really impactful for how you view the rest of the series. like even beyond like understanding the plot, to fully feel the tension from baba's character, for example, you NEED to understand the parallels between him and rikiya. i think y3 sets up a lot of stuff like that kinda behind the scenes.

like i think it's kind of a hard game for me to digest because there's so Much there. i do think it's one of those things where it's like, the fact that it's weird and different is kind of the point, like it intentionally contrasts with the rest of the series like how the okinawa/kamurocho contrast works in game, and moreover the Dragon Of Dojima/uncle kaz contrast works.

i do wish mine was written better because seriously he could have been a really really good antagonist but without a blatantly obvious theme to guide his character (as in how y5 had dreams) he just came off as kind of whiney IM SORRY LIKE i know a lot of people like him a lot but the morning glory stuff kind of made me hate his guts too much to empathize with him fully.

i think y3 and y4 (and kind of y2 come to think of it) had these like, really potentially powerful undercurrents of like, criticism of the prison system and punitive justice and like i wishhhh it actually carried through with them. like it came sooooo close to making a point about it but nooooo. It's kind of silly to feel disappointed about it because like, this isn't metal gear solid or some shit with actual commentary yk. but yeah.

#long post #ray.txt #sorry for infodumping do you still think im hot

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Kume…

This guy is a really interesting villain

Kume (from Yakuza 7: Like a Dragon) is one of most hated characters in the game, for many reasons - he's annoying, he's a coward, hypocrite, he hides behind backs and did something not really good at the ending.

Yet, he's one of most interesting antagonists in Yakuza 7, come to think about it. In some ways, he's more frightening than most antagonists from another games, because he's just too real.

Most of Yakuza's antagonists are evil, hardcore, dangerous, but, in some ways, they aren't real. You can distinguish Yakuza's villain from someone in real life, due to wacky personalities, some weird morals, or being too much "romantic villain", "anti-hero" or straight up "irredeemable asshole", which would not last in any organization, due to being nuisance to others, even among their own crew. For example, it's not exactly understanable that how Sohei Dojima led his family to such success, being somewhat dumb and total asshole in general.

But Kume - he's totally real. He's a "normal guy", with decent abilities to stir the shit and manipulate crowd. He's literally that guy who can start a hate campaign on someone for wrong Twitter post, dox him, destroy his life and don't feel bad about it, because he "fought for greater good".

He can easily twist morals - his own, or his troupe, doesn't matter. While he's fighting for "bleaching Japan from grey zones", he's not above using gangs to coerce someone to leave, or provoking a fight, and he doesn't see anything bad about that. Unlike most of villains, which know that they doing something bad, Kume doesn't see shit. He's actually convinced that he's doing good things, and using bad things is justified, if you're strive for greater good. People with that mindset can easily decide, for example, that some nationality/race/group/class is root of the evil in Japan/world, and manipulate enough people to start some kind of "Night of the Broken Glass" for this group. And if this group fight back, he can claim that they "trying to solve problems with violence, they revealed their true nature, that's why we must exterminate them".

Even that scene with soapland owner's suicide and BJ's rally was interesting, in this case. This guy openly mockes someone's else death, and his crowd was pleased with it, because, in his (and their) opinion, it wasn't even a human being. Kume literally can dehumanize someone, and manipulate other in thinking that way.

That being said, Kume isn't standard villain, who will strip on roof of Millenium Tower, with epic fight. This guy is more, like, a cult leader, or some aspiring dictator, who can easily exploit people's paranoia, and fears/phobias, rally them with some "good" speeches, and amass a pretty huge crowd, ready to destroy everything "bad" or "dangerous to our prosperous society". People like him exist, some of them are pretty convincing and popular, and some of these people actually in power.

If he's somehow alive and not behind bars in Yakuza 8, it would be nice to see him as main/secondary antagonist, not even as boss, but some kind of cult leader or another political movement, with far more twisted and ruthless morals. As he said,

**..."true good will trimuph".** And God knows, what the hell is this true good.

Knowing this, For me, Kume could very well be the Iwami for the Ichiban Saga, because given the stuff surrounding him, I have a feeling he’ll gain more power as long as he remains in the series. His last appearance in the ending of Yakuza 7 clearly foreshadows this.

yeah, kume really is actually an interesting villain, and turns out he's also sharing a voice actor with noriaki kakyoin!! I knew the name Daisuke Hirakawa sounded familiar

#lemony talks

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bixiaoshi · 3 years

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i rlly have a feeling i shouldn't like adachi but MAN

#i know he's an antagonist but like. how bad is he #i feel like p4 has two ends of one of my like in men spectrum #on one end we have adachi. he looks a lil pathetic. i like that in men #and on the other end we have dojima. a dilf. what else can i say #jo.txt

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botseeksbot · 4 years

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i said ths in my drafted post ranking rgg antagonists but i think sagawa is overhyped due to the fact hes part of majimas story and even though hes an asshole hes not nearly as much of an asshole as people think he is

#theres like worse characters but people make him out to be the devil . hes just a pawn in the same game as everyone else #and yeah hes not nice hes not supposed to be he acts for himself and is willing to hurt people to get what he wants just like every other #antagonists in the series except many more take it farther than him #oda and awano in the same game are worse imo . id say shimano is worse too in both 0 and k1 . mine in 3 . songoku in 2 .#literally everyone in 5 and 6 primarily bc there are children involved #c.txt #YEAH like sagawa is bad but like hes . just basically ur run of the mill patrarch . i almost said hes equal to dojima but actually dojima i #worse considering k1 #sengoku***

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Yakuza 6: “He Means Nothing to Me”

I’ve been thinking about Yakuza 6 a lot lately. I have some issues with it, namely the fact that it feels unfinished and Majima got unfairly shafted in Kiryu’s final game. But most things there I really like. It’s an emotional, focused plot centered solely on Kiryu and his conflicted feelings about the yakuza, and has a solid set of supporting characters who almost all have great, satisfactory character arcs. Yuta, Someya, Nagumo, etc are all really cool and really good.

But an aspect that I don’t see talked about that often is the main antagonist of the game and final boss of the Kiryu Saga; Tsuneo Iwami. And it’s not hard to see why. He’s not a particularly memorable or complex character, and neither is his conspirator Sugai. The only thing that makes him stick out is how slimy and heinous his actions are, and even then it’s not enough to make me really hate him. Not genuinely.

So what is there to say about Tsuneo Iwami? Personally...I think that something about him really works. Kiryu’s sheer disdain and disregard for the man extends all the way into Kiryu’s description when he fights him.

“He means nothing to me.”

The final boss of Kiryu’s story means nothing to him. This really struck me while going through it, and it’s taken me a bit to realize why. And I’ve come to realize that Iwami and Sugai being so forgettable...is kind of the point.

Yakuza is full of charismatic men who rip their shirts off and fight for masculinity, honor, to see who’s strongest, and the like. But the Kuze’s, Ryuji Goda’s, Watase’s, and Nishiki’s of the series are often the exceptions to the rule as men who exemplify or try to exemplify the yakuza’s ideals.

Far, FAR more often...the yakuza are nothing more than garden-variety power-hungry assholes. From the thugs that Kiryu continually fights off every game, to Shibusawa in 0, to Sohei Dojima, to the schemer Takashima in 2, to Katsuragi’s weird-ass in 4, to the man who outright loathes charismatic yakuza Kurosawa in 5...Kiryu’s games are filled with unremarkable assholes granted power by the yakuza and he has to continually fight them off over and over again.

The Ryuji Goda’s and Kuze’s of the world are rare. But people like Iwami have populated the entire series, and Kiryu has taken them down every time. As the yakuza themselves have worsened, those charismatic yakuza have found less and less of a place in a criminal enterprise that at the end of the day is about power and money.

So in the end, another “big rival to Kiryu who wants to prove he’s strongest” doesn’t work. Kiryu’s final boss is a representation of every smug prick he’s had to grind into the dirt to keep him and his family safe, without the veneer of masculinity, honor, or strength to guise it. The yakuza is Kiryu’s curse, and Iwami is representative of just how pervasive that curse is in Japan’s society.

The yakuza as a whole mean nothing to Kiryu. 7 games have whittled him down to the point he wanted nothing to do with it. But even after he leaves, assholes like Iwami will keep on popping up, whether he likes it or not.

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joy-returns-in-the-morning · 2 years

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For yakuza questionnaire, if it's not too overwhelming, ALL the subjective questions? Thanks !!

Thanks for asking! ^_^

What was the most infuriating moment?

At the end of Kiwami 2 when they have that quicktime event. And if you don't hit that 2 second window YOU LOSE THE GAME!!! >:O

Absolutely infuriating. My brother had to redo that fight like three times and the last time it was pure chance, he just picked a button at random. XD And actually that whole fight was a little silly. Like Kiryu already beat Ryuji once but then they have to fight again some reason? You know, instead of leaving because there's A BOMB?? But they're like "well, we're shirtless and on the top of a high tower, so I guess we GOTTA fight" This happens every game and it's so frustrating haha. Do you really though? Do you REALLY have to fight? 🤣

Also, that whole substory with the girl who needs the visa? And Kiryu gets her pizza instead? Easily one of the funniest substories in the game. But the ending is atrocious. Girl, don't marry that creep! You can do better! Drives me bonkers.

Which game had the worst plotline?

They are all bad in their own special way <3

Which character(s) deserved better?

Too many. 😭 Lately I've been thinking about Nishikiyama's sister Yuko. It's just so sad that we never even get to see her. Was her life really that unimportant? She lived and she died so briefly, and we never even saw her. What was the point of it? Why was she even born? Surely it wasn't meaningless. I really want to write a fanfiction about her (though who knows if I'll get around to it). She deserves better than a few offhand mentions and a death offscreen.

Which character would you like to see as a protagonist?

Strawberry Maya (she's a minor character from one of Akiyama's substories in Yakuza 5 lol). The Strawberry Kingdom is real and it's time for her to save the day!

Um, but for a more serious answer, let's see… Daigo! What does he do all day? I think it would be fun to be the head of a criminal empire. :) The whole thing would be a management game or something. Let's give the poor man a chance to show his competence for once.

My brother was saying a while back that Jingu should get his own game, but I don't know about that haha. Does anybody like Jingu? My brother just liked his evil laugh I think. I'll give him that, the man does have a good evil laugh. I suppose a story about a man falling into corruption could be interesting. Apparently he WAS nice once right? Yeah, it could actually be an interesting story. But, I think, not one that absolutely needs be told through the medium of video games.

Which character would you like to see as an antagonist?

This one's tough… I'm not sure. Maybe Kazama. A prequel fic where he ends up as captain. You play as another guy fighting for the captain spot… but you lose! idk, can't really think of anything. 😅

If you could revive any deceased character, who would it be and why?

Rikiya. Why? Because it's Rikiya. It's self-evident.

Which character should have died but didn’t? (If that’s too harsh, who deserves to rot in prison?)

Hm… maybe Dojima Sohei? I mean, he is a character that famously dies. But he should have died in Yakuza 0. Obviously he COULDN'T for story reasons, but I feel like Majima should have killed him. Then maybe Nishiki wouldn't have died… :/

Also Kume from Yakuza 7 lol. The character we all love to hate. XD I don't necessarily want him to die, but it would definetely be cathartic to see him rot in prison haha. Hows THAT for a gray zone, loser! >:)

What was the worst plot twist?

The rubber bullets? XD

Okay that's too easy. There was also this twist in Yakuza 4 I found really funny where that cop guy turns out to actually be a yakuza all along lol. And then, what do you know, the yakuza guy actually turns out to have been a COP all along??!! No waaay! I thought that was hilarious. But also it's a terrible twist because it makes Akiyama look like SUCH an idiot. Like he was trusting in Arai this whole time, right? But it turns out he had a completely wrong idea of the man. Uggh, I nearly died of second-hand embarrassment. If I were him I could never recover. That's cringe man.

There is probably more that could be said about Yakuza 4's terrible twists but I'm afraid I have already forgotten all of them. I'm probably more familiar with Yakuza 5 which also has it's own terrible plottwists. What frustrates me about THOSE twists is that they COULD have been good if only they had been set up better. Like at the end yakuza 5, they're all like AHA! AIZAWA was the final villain all along!! Bet you didn't see THAT coming! And I'm like: NOO?? OF COURSE NOT?!!??? Sorry but there was literally no way anyone could have seen that coming. There were so many twists that they just added in for the sake of having a twist - like Majima is Mirei's wife?? It seriously feels like they just picked a name from a hat. But after thinking about it for some time I was like, yeah okay, I guess I could see it… It could be interesting. There is a lot of potential for an interesting story in those twists! They just failed to set them up properly which makes it extra frustrating. :/

Okay but my absolute favourite twist is still that scene in Yakuza 2 where Date is chasing after Kazuki and they go on to the roof and there are TWO Kazuki's??!! WHAaaAAaaAT?? And it turns out the original had been replaced FOR SEVERAL MONTHS by an identical korean body double??!! And it's never brought up again and barely has any impact on the plot. XD XD XD XD

I won't even bring up the scene with the castle.

What was the most emotional scene in the series?

I love Ichiban's speech at the end of Yakuza 7. Like he's really just speaking his heart out there. The tears in his eyes, the raw emotion in his voice…!! Oooh it was great. 🥺🥺 I wish someone had given a speech like that to Nishiki at the end of Yakuza 1.

Which game do you think should get a remake?

They should remake Yakuza 5 so the plot twists actually make sense…. 😩 And expand Okudera's section while we're at it haha 😂

Which character has the best taste in clothing? Who has the worst?

Shinada's shrimp outfit. the best AND the worst.

Whose voice do you enjoy hearing the most?

Hmm… I like Masato Arakawa's english voice. It's kinda hot…

Which sworn brothers worked best?

Kiryu and Nishikiyama I guess. Their bond actually makes sense, whereas I can't help but feel that Saejima was randomly inserted into yakuza 4 solely to give Majima a more interesting backstory. Like yeah okay, Majima has a sworn brother now. Cool. But why? How did they meet? I mean, that doesn't really matter, you can extrapolate things. But overall their relationship just doesn't… make sense to me? Like okay - in Yakuza 0 Majima claims to be doing everything he's doing for Saejima's sake and I just can't understand why!! Maybe I'm missing something but I just don't get it!! Saejima is on death row! He's not coming back?? (and sure, Saejima DOES, but… why would you expect that?) So why is Majima going to such great lengths to rejoin the yakuza? Maybe there's another reason but why bring up Saejima at all? And then in Yakuza 3 he just forgets about it all anyways and throws the yakuza to the wind to join a construction company. (there is something to be said for the historical ties between the construction industry and the yakuza but it's still a little odd). And I don't even get why they tortured Majima in the first place. Just because he wanted to help his brother? Again maybe I'm missing something here. But like, wouldn't it be considered honourable to want to help your sworn brother? They don't just swear these oaths for a joke right? And presumably they have to be approved by their bosses, right? These are highly formal and ritualistic things. So why should anybody be suprised when they act on their oaths? Obviously there must be deeper political machinations at play. So really, it's nothing to do with their ACTUAL relationship. I think on a personal level it's a nice little thing they've got going. I like their personal interactions and there's lots of interesting things that can be explored in their relationship. I just find some of the actions around it confusing. Kiryu and Nishiki make sense though. They grew up with each other. They know each other. Their relationship defines each other and it's central to the plot. In Yakuza 0 you see them actually hanging out and having fun and it's great and it makes the tragedy in the first game all the more poignant. 😭 Also as far as sworn brothers go I think that Watase and Aoyama are an interesting pair just because they seem to low-key hate each other. Underrated kyodai relationship.

What dynamic would you like to see more of?

I wish we could have seen more of Majima and Saejima and Yasuko. Like what's their deal. How did they meet? What did they do everyday? And why did Majima never talk to Yasuko again?

On a somewhat similar vein, I'd love to see more Saejima and Majima and Kiryu interactions. I think this could be really fascinating because Saejima and Kiryu both have these deep bonds with Majima, but without any real overlap. That is, they met Majima at very different periods of his life. So they have these two completely different versions of Majima, and by interacting they'd learn more about him. I want them to exchange embarrassing stories about Majima haha. XD And I'm curious which sort of version of himself Majima would present when he's with both of them. How would he negotiate himself between both of them?

Actually in general I'd just like to see more of Majima's dynamic with everybody. He's just such an interesting guy. I want to observe him beneath a microscope. How does anyone interact with him? How does he interact with Daigo? With the other Tojo Clan officers? Majima and Nishikiyama is also a dynamic that apparently doesn't seem to exist in the game but I think could have been interesting. They have a lot in common (sworn brothers in jail… is that a lot? haha) and I think that maybe a friendship between them could have really helped each other. I'm curious if they ever did interact in those 10 years Kiryu was in jail.

I'd also love to see more of the dynamics within the orphanage kids, I bet that could be really interesting. Nine kids are a lot! I bet there are unimaginable dramas taking place there everyday.

Who has the most tragic story?

Man, who doesn't have a tragic story? I feel like all you need to do for this question is list all the female characters. :// Even small tragedies are tragic in their own ways, I suppose the most tragic characters would be the ones who had miserable lives and miserable deaths. Someone like Yasuko, who endured a harsh and difficult life and then died without seeing any real resolution. Or even Reina, who spend so long pining over Nishikiyama only to die. Or Yuko, who lived and died offscreen. It's so sad….

Actually, Kiryu's story is pretty tragic too when you think about it. The poor man just never wins. I would be so emotionally devestated if I was him. He keeps trying to protect people and then they die. After a while you kinda gotta wonder if the problem is you. It's so weird because he's protrayed as this super cool protagonist who is this mega awesome legendary hero but like… has he really done anything to justify that? He's pretty much a failure. Poor Kiryu. :(( This whole series is a tragedy.

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And that's all the questions! Thank you very much. :)

Yakuza ask meme by @kulemii

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