#and then hannibal and will going on to kill him as they did

[lesbianwithchainsaws]

I'm sure this has been said a dozen times already, but it always baffles me when people say "Hannigram isn't canon" , "Hannibal is queerbaiting", "the show should've made them canon" or anything similar to that. I see it less on tumblr, but have seen it elsewhere and it's like, did we watch the same show? Just because they're not making out sloppy style or having intense gay sex on screen doesn't mean they're not into each other?

Like there's a scene where Will straight up asks "is Hannibal in love with me?" and gets a confirming answer. Theres a scene where Hannibal compares them to Achilles and Patroclus. Hannibal turns himself in to the FBI despite being able to escape and he does it for Will! Hannibal is so completely, deeply obsessed with Will because he loves Will. The show makes it explicit time and time again that Hannibal is in love with Will.

And Will is very much into Hannibal as well. I think for Will it might seem less obvious at times, after all, he had a wife and a kid while Hannibal was imprisoned. But ultimately there's a reason why Will chooses to free Hannibal and go with him. They kill the dragon together and Will is the one who says how beautiful it is. Will outright admitted that he wanted to run away with Hannibal, and that want never actually left him.

The show itself coined the term "murder husbands". A character in canon calls Hannibal and Will that. Hannibal refers to himself and Will as Abigail's fathers. They wanted to run away together and be a family. The finale of those two on the cliff embracing and covered in blood is like the most romantic scene ever shown on tv.

Characters do not need to kiss on screen to be canonically in love!

And I think with this show that statement is especially true because of how many times characters *do* kiss and have sex, and it means nothing. Hannibal had sex with Alana as a way to manipulate her and have her blind to what he was doing. He didn't do it out of love. Margot didn't have sex with Will because she was attracted to him. The show displays very obviously that those things don't necessarily equal attraction, and I think it's completely fine that Will and Hannibal never do something like that. Their attraction to each other is still there!

#genuinely will never understand how anyone could watch this show and come to the conclusion that its queerbaiting #hannibal #hannigram #will graham #nbc hannibal

[kaiitykuppycake]

Part 12

THATS HOW SEASON TWO ENDS?!

Hannibal almost kills Jack, Alana gets thrown out a window, Will sees Abigail alive and Hannibal basically guts him...at least that's what it looked like when he stabbed him 😰. And then he KILLS ABIGAIL IN FRONT OF HIM. after having his speech about how things could have been different. How he gave him a rare gift in knowing him for real. How things could have been different for him and Will and Abigail of things didn't go the way they had.

Like Will changed Hannibal and it shows in his face when Hannibal asks Will "did you think you could change me, like I've changed you?" Will says "I already have" which is of course gay AF but like he did in a way. Like Hannibal was ruthless and calculating throughout the show, but Will being gone and in prison did something to him. Something that made him value Will more and make it easier for Will to manipulate him back.

Abigail had been manipulated into doing all she did too. That's new. But not surprising.

It actually seemed like Will wanted Hannibal to leave so he could just get away from this and be safe, but like even then he would kill wherever he is so idk. Maybe Will genuinely cared about him as a person and didn't want him to die or to kill anyone they knew.

How did you all survive with that ending. Like they're wall presumed dead and they show CLOUDS AND SUN LIKE HEAVEN DURING THE CREDITS?!

Like legit I was so close to tears when Abigail was dying and Will held her bleeding throat, replicating the shot when he tried to save her after her father did the same thing.

I mour for your sanity and mine.

I have to wait until I get home from work to watch more.

#hannibal #hannibal lecter #hannibal season two #hannibal spoilers #hannigram #will graham #holy shit #how did you guys survive this finale befote season three was announced #are yall okay now? #will we ever be #kaity watches hannibal and rants about her thoughts #hannibal mizumono #mizumono

[oldwitchsleep]

torn between being mad that we didn't get to see molly kill the red dragon, and loving what we did get and that molly still got to be the badass that she is

#hannibal and will killing the dragon is obviously perfect #and i love that bryan changed the ending but didn't change that molly is still awesome #however like. can u imagine if they THOUGHT she'd killed him but then it turned out he'd survived #instead of him pretending to kill himself but then not really for example #and then hannibal and will going on to kill him as they did #that would have been best of both worlds for me #but i do love what they did do with molly! #el txt

[ohbutwheresyourheart]

after spending all of season 2 gleefully imagining hannibal getting his comeuppance... I think mizumono broke me

#hannibal #that last supper with hannibal and will fucked me up #he knew he KNEW HE KNEW that will was still with the fbi #and gave him the hannibal style olive branch of: #hey. babe. it's okay. i get it. you're conflicted. we can just... go. #and abigail was ALIVE THE WHOLE TIME #and then he fucking killed her out of sheer petty spite that his rose-tinted murder family plan did not come together #because he could not stand the thought of abigail and will being a family without him #or even abigail still leaving with hannibal but missing will #and then JACK TRYING TO CALL BELLA #the only person i don't feel as bad for as i should is alana bc she just... doesn't really do it for me as a character #like i get it i get why she's the way she is she's meant to be the only sane person adrift in this sea of utter madness #but her being locked out of the loop and two steps behind everyone else is kind of... annoying. like alana!!! girl!!!! get with it!!!!! #but god hannibal. hannibal. hannibal. #i still kind of want to see him dead but i also kind of want to pat him #(from a distance. with like a mop or something like that one gif) #he really is in love with will #or at least the closest thing to love he can feel #and he really was imagining a way they could live a life together #sure it was a life on the run as cannibalistic serial killers constantly evading the fbi who would hunt them down until the day they died #but they would be cannibalistic serial killers with like. a picket fence. maybe some dogs. #oh my god wait the funniest thought just occurred to me #will refusing the offer of running off into the night with hannibal not because of any moral scruples #but because he would have had to leave his dogs behind #like hannibal come ON you KNOW this man did you really not include his dogs in the escape plan???? #amateur mistake. do better next time.

[menciemeer]

It's interesting to me that (unless I really missed something) after the point where Hannibal sends Dolarhyde after Will's family, Will stops framing his work on the Red Dragon case as something altruistic.

Prior to that, Will talks about saving people. He even, immediately before the attack on his family, tries to convince Hannibal to help him via an appeal to his better nature (!!!)

WILL GRAHAM Do you know who they [the family that Dolarhyde is going to target] are? HANNIBAL Yes. WILL GRAHAM You're willing to let them die. HANNIBAL They're not my family, Will. And I'm not letting them die. You are.

(Which, just, listen. Hannibal is maybe the single least likely person, ever, to be swayed by the argument "maybe it would be better if fewer people died." Honestly.)

I just think it's interesting that after the attack on Will's family, that whole motivation (or pretense-at-motivation) is quietly dropped. It's not about saving the next family and it's not even really about the fear that Dolarhyde will try to finish the job. ("I can't go home until the Red Dragon is out of the way" reads more psychological to me than a statement of actual physical danger, although the viewer does also have more direct insight into Dolarhyde than Will does, and we know that he doesn't really seem interested in trying again...)

Will starts drifting further into Dolarhyde's mindset right at the end of the season, and by the time the final fight at the cliff house happens, it doesn't really feel about anything other than self-actualization. Will enacts his own becoming upon Dolarhyde. It's not about who Dolarhyde is or what he might do in the future so much as it is about Will, and what Will wants.

Anyway. The whole point of this is that it's a fun alternative (and, yes, compatible) motivation for Hannibal to direct Dolarhyde at Will's family in the first place. Will came back to the FBI and he came back to Hannibal, but he wrapped himself in a shroud of morality that doesn't align with Hannibal's view of Will's underlying self. Beyond the jealousy angle, Hannibal is making Dolarhyde bad in a way that is immensely personal to Will, so that Will can't deny that how good it would feel to hurt him.

#this was meant to be short but maybe it's medium now #oh well #i've got some postscript thoughts too #which are that #i'm not particularly sold on the idea that will's final evolution is a particularly justice-oriented killer #i don't really have solid evidence to point to which is why this is going down here #it's more just a personal preference than anything i can argue for #it just feels like a whole lot to go through just to end up as a vigilante you know #like you did all that so that you could become a marvel protagonist #really? #so. it feels like there would be more of this chipping away at will's boundaries and self-narrative in their future #from “a man so bad that killing him felt good” to just #“killing him felt good” #hmm hmm hmm #hannibal

[vulpinesaint]

we only saw one or two examples of this kind of conversation in nbc hannibal but i have to imagine that there were so many instances in late season 2/season 3 where someone would go "will did nothing wrong! >:(" and someone else would reply "hey see i get where you're coming from. he definitely did kill that guy though." and then everyone sits there for a moment and remembers the time will killed a guy and then ripped the man's body apart to display him as part of his own paleontological exhibit. and then like. i guess you just have to keep going with your conversation

#absolutely remembering it wrong but that scene where jack is packing up his office going 'we did what was right' or whatever #and kade purnell looks at him like he lost his damn mind and says that he committed entrapment #and also that will Definitely Killed That Guy #we just don't talk about it i think. so much about hannibal's murders nothing ab will graham killing randall tier with his bare hands #nbc hannibal #hannibal

[ssaseaprince]

Thinking about how if Will had died before Hannibal and Hannibal had attempted to live without him, he would have eventually rescued a stray dog.

#granted i do think in most situations Hannibal wouldve just killed himself if Will died #But if he didnt right away #i think he wouldve eventually stumbled across a starving stray dog #and he wouldve tried to ignore it - maybe even drove away and gone home without picking it up #but he wouldn't be able to stop thinking about it and obsessing and eventually he would have to go back and rescue it #he would make it homemade food like Will did for his dogs #and he would talk to it and tell it all about Will and how the dog reminded him of the other man #he would give it a name that reminded him of Will #He would be really strict about training and taught it a lot of commands and refused to let it ok the furniture #but sometimes at night he would let it curl up in bed with him and he would pet its fur and dream of Will #He would give it table scraps all the time and feed it parts of his kills and buy it fancy sweaters and collars #hannibal #nbc hannibal #will graham #hannibal lecter #hannibal nbc #hannigram #hannibal and will #hannibal headcanons #hannibal x will

[twohornycannibals]

ur telling me will killed that lithuanian guy and turned him into a fucking butterfly just to be like "yeah nvm actually" and then get married and have a child?????????????

#my brain is confused #will can we talk #also like #did he just not go to therapy after hanni got put away #like he didn't get a normal therapist. molly didn't advocate for him to do that? jack didn't? #i'm so confused. like. he #what happened #he literally. let hannibal try to cut his head open and then said i won't miss u #sir ur delusional #he really missed his dogs ig #did he get fired from the fbi 4 that shit too. like will gets interrogated by jack and then jack lets him go? #no he should've been put in the hospital #ig maybe he did like #maybe he got treatment. got a regular job. met molly. saw the life he always imagined. actually fell in love w that life and molly and wally #like they gave will what hannibal couldn't. a child. normalcy. #and then jack came in and wrecked him again. and will realized no amount of treatment or normal therapy or a wife and kid could change- #-who he left in hannibal's arms when he got carried through the snow. #he did kill for hannibal. he did fight it. tried to fix it but he realized he couldn't escape or lie to himself #he asked bedelia. is hannibal in love with me. bc he realized that's the feeling behind all the pain. that he wanted hannibal's love again #she said yes. and he couldn't pretend anymore #he'd rather kill with hannibal one last time. he'd rather die in the ocean waves in hannibal's arms than bury his past and forget hannibal #bc he could never forget hannibal #he lied to himself and turned the left over feelings of love and resentment turn into anger and die before those feelings surfaced #but he couldn't do it anymore #bc he needed hannibal. bc hannibal was right. they had blurred together. and hannibal still lived in will #in the way he cared for others and cooked molly dinner and bought wine and let his dogs and tucked wally in #and he couldn't let hannibal live within him anymore. he needed hannibal to consume him. in every way #hey guys. what was my original point #.... ok gn ig #hannibal

[hannibalismos-jaaneman]

is it just the cogs of my brain whirring wildly or was bedelia kinda sorta in love with hannibal too?

#raj shitposting #i mean there must be a more concrete reason than just purely the fact that she got to live with hannibal that will hates her so much right? #idk sometimes it seems like she deliberately does what hannibal tells her to and deliberately lies to save him some amount of trouble. #her accompanying him rather than just killing him on the spot in antipasto is tantamount to her being acquiescent. #or as she put it for will... cooperative. her choosing to spare him in that moment was not wisdom it was foolishness. #and we've only seen two people being that foolish besides her. alana and will. jack was ignorant for a long time but he came to his senses. #and to be honest alana only got the threat of death because she dared to take away hannibal's dignity. ONLY because she was rude to him. #she really didn't have to “obfuscate” for him. she could have simply told jack that hannibal was fucked up when he asked her the first time #i think i realised that bedelia probably had some latent feelings about hannibal when will asked her why she lied for hannibal so much. #it was because of will that i realised that she perhaps along the way lost a “professional” perspective towards her relationship with him. #they were obviously friends before that but when she corrected hannibal once by telling him that they were not friends but colleagues... #my brain had already started working up on that she was trying not to fall for him and maybe that was the only way she thought she wouldn't #but she did anyway. and maybe that's the reason why will hates her. i mean he would know if she were in love with hannibal right? #it sometimes does feel like she wants to save him. she was kinda salty that will let hannibal surrender like that in their sessions. #i mean she was probably jealous of will which was why she was such an asshole to him. i don't find any other reason for her to act that way #i mean she is a psychiatrist you wouldn't expect her to lose her shit like that at someone. but she does. that too at will. like- #-it's too much of a coincidence to let it go. she could have ratted hannibal out any time but she doesn't. even though she had leverage. #i'm thinking too much about this man... sighs anyway #bedelia du maurier #miss will graham #hannibal #hannigram

[empathbled]

tag drop.

↳ ooc ⸻ ❛ i can make myself look٬ but the thinking is shutting down. ❜ ↳ promo ⸻ ❛ everyone has thought about killing someone٬ one way or another. ❜ ↳ memes ⸻ ❛ you won't like me when i'm psychoanalyzed. ❜ ↳ starter call ⸻ ❛ wind him up and watch him go. ❜ ↳ crack ⸻ ❛ i feel crazy. ❜ ↳ queue ⸻ ❛ do you feel alive? ❜

↳ about ⸻ ❛ i felt terrified٬ and then i felt powerful. ❜ ↳ meta ⸻ ❛ i feel like i am spilling. ❜

↳ images ⸻ ❛ i'm not even sure if i'm awake now. ❜ ↳ music ⸻ ❛ i could use a good scream٬ i can feel one perched under my chin. ❜ ↳ desires ⸻ ❛ but it wasn't real٬ it wasn't real. ❜

↳ answers ⸻ ❛ it's not any easier. shake it off٬ keep on looking. ❜ ↳ speech ⸻ ❛ i know what kind of crazy i am٬ but this isn't that kind of crazy. ❜

↳ hannibal ⸻ ❛ do you believe you could change me the way i've changed you? ٬ i already did. ❜ ↳ abigail ⸻ ❛ never again. only in my memories sleepless in the dark shall i still tread the old paths. ❜ ↳ medicbled (gloria) ⸻ ❛ put me back together. fix my broken mind. ❜ ↳ survivorofhellskitchen (karen) ⸻ ❛ let me see you stripped down to your bone. ❜

↳ verse ⸻ ❛ special agent٬ this is my design. ❜ ↳ verse ⸻ ❛ after the fall٬ this is my legacy. ❜

#↳ ooc ⸻ ❛ i can make myself look٬ but the thinking is shutting down. ❜ #↳ promo ⸻ ❛ everyone has thought about killing someone٬ one way or another. ❜ #↳ memes ⸻ ❛ you won't like me when i'm psychoanalyzed. ❜ #↳ starter call ⸻ ❛ wind him up and watch him go. ❜ #↳ crack ⸻ ❛ i feel crazy. ❜ #↳ queue ⸻ ❛ do you feel alive? ❜ #↳ about ⸻ ❛ i felt terrified٬ and then i felt powerful. ❜ #↳ meta ⸻ ❛ i feel like i am spilling. ❜ #↳ images ⸻ ❛ i'm not even sure if i'm awake now. ❜ #↳ music ⸻ ❛ i could use a good scream٬ i can feel one perched under my chin. ❜ #↳ desires ⸻ ❛ but it wasn't real٬ it wasn't real. ❜ #↳ answers ⸻ ❛ it's not any easier. shake it off٬ keep on looking. ❜ #↳ speech ⸻ ❛ i know what kind of crazy i am٬ but this isn't that kind of crazy. ❜ #↳ hannibal ⸻ ❛ do you believe you could change me the way i've changed you? ٬ i already did. ❜ #↳ verse ⸻ ❛ special agent٬ this is my design. ❜ #↳ verse ⸻ ❛ after the fall٬ this is my legacy. ❜ #↳ abigail ⸻ ❛ never again. only in my memories sleepless in the dark shall i still tread the old paths. ❜ #↳ medicbled (gloria) ⸻ ❛ put me back together. fix my broken mind. ❜ #↳ survivorofhellskitchen (karen) ⸻ ❛ let me see you stripped down to your bone. ❜ #tag dump.

[lilgynt]

mizumono means nothing to me in the sense will betrayed hannibal cause i’m like hannibal… you killed abigail. in wills mind you killed her like duh he went after ur ass even while actively wanting to run away with you i am almost incapable of feeling bad for him in this situation

#personal #me 🤝 will #literally not giving half a shit about any of hannibal’s crimes except thinking he should die for doing what he did to abigail #MY love is genuine will let that go #and ultimately i think even with that idea that will only went through with it so far was for abigail #i think hannibal would have killed her over that #being second place or almost loved with conditions i think it would have gone down the same #hannibal talks about all three of them being happy together but i think it will was more focused/loved abigail more it would have been an i #issue at SOME point #like any of that other shit he could got away with and he did #like lying about will being sick framing him sending people to murder him

[soft-spooks]

see its about. being akin to a dog that was left out in the snow and being soooooo pathetic sad wet beast that even the dangerous people are like "oh what the fuck is that poor creature. i could fix them."

#its about being SO stupid and oblivious and putting yourself in dangerous situations #that the Even More Dangerous person is like. oh you are so stupid. /affectionate. come here #anyway i wrote a liytle ebit of the reveal fic this morning and there was like. theres this bit of dialogue right #thats like. #him trying 2 convince me that it wasnt a lie and whatever. and hes like #yeah at first i was just going along with it for fun. i was bored. you were exciting. #i thought we'd go to a few dangerou places and youd either get bored and stop or youd piss something off and get killed #and that would be the end of it. and id move on to something else. #and then you didnt. #and you kept going and you kept talking to empty buildings #and when you eventually did make something angry. well. i stopped it. i wanted to protect you. i got *attached* #anyway. hehehehehehrhhehehehehe #giggling like a teenage girl twirling my hair kicking my feet etc etc etc #its about. allowing someone to touch your neck because you trust them and then they sink their teeth in #and then you realize. maybe this isnt as bad as i thought it would be #uhm. hi im drunk watching hannibal expect me to be sooooo normal abitbeverything tonight

[backpackingspace]

hey do we actually believe what will tells his enemies? Because like this might be the projections but I always thought wills intentions in s3 were to kill hannibal from the second he got back involved.

#nbc hannibal #Will graham #hannigram #S3 #Like most of s2 and s3 is will acted and reflected hannibal back to himself to catch and kill him #Was that all of it? No #Does he love hannibal? Yes #Does he screw over the fbi ? Yes #Did he sail to eruope to find him? Yes #But qt the core of all of this is love and betyral and the deep seated knowledge that Hannibal will never ever stop or let him go #So will plots to kill him #And that's always been there since he killed beverly

[necroromantics]

🪓 — Canon Facts About Ticci Toby

all of these are directly stated by kastoway himself in deviantart posts/comments, instagram stories, or tobys canon story

I. Toby has a split eyebrow from the car crash

II. He only attended grade school for a short time when we was 12 before being homeschooled due to bullying

III. Kastoway describes Toby's eye colour as "dark brown/black"

IV. Kastoway created Toby as a fan character when he was 12 just for fun. He never expected him to get the attention that he did

V. Toby was stated to be 19 in 2013, which means Toby was born on April 28th, 1994. Today he'll be turning 30 years old

VI. In Toby's age chart, he is shown to be in a straitjacket at 30 years old, and described to "not have much time left on his plate", "any bit of sanity in him is probably gone", and "lives out the rest of his days in a mental asylum and/or gets put down"

VII. He has little to no memory of his life before becoming a proxy

VIII. When he was a toddler, he'd carry around a cow stuffie and put bandaids all over it

IX. Toby was killed by Clockwork, who was possessed by Zalgo, sometime between ages 19-25 (presumably 20-22). Kastoway had vague plans for Toby to "miraculously survive" and live up until around 30 years old, with no contact to the others

X. Toby chews his hands to the point of eating his own flesh, which is why he wears gloves

XI. He is born and raised in Denver, Colorado, USA. He has German ancestry

XII. His theme song is noted to be "I'm Not Alright" by Shinedown

XIII. His personality is described to be, "volatile, friendly at times, sarcastic at times, natural born trouble-maker, mostly up-beat"

XIV. In an older, outdated reference sheet, his friends are listed as "Jeff The Killer, BEN, BOB, Smile Dog, Slenderman, Splendorman, Mr. Widemouth, Ragface, Eyeless Jack", and his rivals are listed as "The Rake, Masky, Enderman, Zalgo"

XV. His mask is a mouth guard, like the one Hannibal Lecter wears

XVI. He is canonically shipped with Clockwork

XVII. Toby has "big ass eyebrows" (Kastoways words himself)

XVIII. Toby doesn't hate Masky, he just acts like an annoying little brother around him because he's jealous that Slender favours him. He's chill around Hoodie, but they don't talk much

XIX. Kastoway was inspired by Marble Hornets to create Ticci Toby

XX. Toby's tics are described as to "uncontrollably crack his neck, twitch around, bend over backwards"

XXI. In his updated appearance (the sketch made by Kastoway in 2014 with the cheek gash), he's described to be in his early 20s. He also said he was thinking of having the cheek gash be caused by the fire, but said that Toby eating through his own cheek was "a really good idea"

XXII. Toby was originally going to be a cannibal before Kastoway put the idea on the back burner, though he says "he'll eat some of the things he kills kind of like Eyeless Jack"

XXIII. He had CIPA, Tourettes, Schizophrenia and PTSD after the car crash

XXIV. His older sisters name is Lyra, his mothers name is Connie, and his father is canonically unnamed (though he's typically called Frank by the fandom, this is not stated by Kastoway)

XXV. He was originally going to be 5'4....... But ended up being made 5'6 (lucky bastard)

Thats all I can think of right now... Happy Birthday Toby

#tombtalk #creepypasta #creepypasta fandom #ticci toby #creepypasta headcanon #ticci toby headcanons #toby rogers #creepypasta ticci toby #ticci toby creepypasta #ticcitoby #ticci toby facts

[gh-0-stcup]

Let's go, Angel! Destroy their operation, ruin their lives, burn their cities to the gro - whoops. Sorry, got a little carried away there.

#hotd did not properly feed my protagonists going apeshit in morally concerning yet satisfying ways needs #might have to watch hannibal again and come back to this or smth #you know angelus is locked up inside him like - EXCUSE ME #they want us to BRAWL?! In front of a cheering crowd?! DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHO WE ARE #twenty one kills?! that's ALL they want for our freedom - the nerve! #escape and string up 21 of their closest associates in the cage by their intenstines #get dru she'll make it a puppet show to entertain the drooling masses #i'm just saying - he'd be so offended #and it makes me cackle inside because i am a sick person with fucked up tastes #ats 1x16 #there's not enough going apeshit in morally concerning yet satisfying ways in the buffyverse #it's making me antsy #i wanna see the pettiest of the petty bitches

[prisonhannibal]

#txt #nbc hannibal #hannibal lecter