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gummi-panda3 · 2 days
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Till keeps dreaming of the death of a face he can’t remember. Ivan keeps telling him to forget about it.
(Where Ivan and Till reincarnate and find each other again in another universe)
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eggonthemoon · 26 days
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Alien Stage Round 6 Character Analysis and Lyrics Breakdown
Okay so obviously spoilers, don't click Keep Reading if you haven't watched Round 6.
God fuck it's so fucking beautiful, where do I start?
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I don't even know what is going on with those rapid shots of what I assume is some form of experiment that Till was involved in. I have no clue what the goal was or if it succeeded but somehow (for no real reason other than that one image of Luka standing behind Till ominously) I feel that Luka is involved with it.
Was this an attempt by Heperu's (Luka's guardian) rival to make a human capable of going up against Luka? Till being the youngest and Luka being the oldest also means that Till's guardian could have caught on to what Heperu was planning to do with Luka and then start experimenting on humans shortly after and it would still somewhat line up with the timeline.
But I'm getting into conspiracy territory, back to suffering!!
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Allow me, to the tips of your fingers
Allow me, to the ends of your feet
Dissolve me in your gaze
I don't want to let you go
Oh this hurts. Seeing him look so defeated and exhausted, you can tell that even though to the public it's not certain whether Mizi died or not it doesn't matter to him. Because she's still gone away from his world, where he is unable to reach her. He wants to dissolve and die but he also doesn't want to let her go if there is even a sliver of hope that she lives.
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Please, leave me scars
Please, hurt me so that
Not a single drop of me remains
Let me drown in you
The footage that plays to these lyrics really show how defeated he is. He refuses to sing, his passion for the art completely dead and buried. And (his guardian I assume) when someone shoves the fact that Mizi is gone in his face he lashes out and punches one of the aliens near him.
Until these falling stars
Are buried in the blur of time
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However his heart isn't entirely in it and is quickly apprehended.
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He is beyond exhausted and doesn't even protest or put up a fight while (the same alien he punched btw) another alien runs their fingers through his hair.
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On your icy lips
Read my soul
Yes, my soul
He hopes that even if Mizi is dead that her spirit watches over him, seeing his soul and by extension, Him, for all that he is. Every thought and breath until he falls asleep is for Mizi.
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But didn't we already know this is how he'd be like? Time for something juicier~
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Even if your cold words
Carve scars beneath my eyes
May they linger on your tongue
You can break me apart
God this is heart shattering. Even if Till doesn't care for him, even if Till throws hurtful words his way, Ivan will still lie awake at night, cherishing what sliver of attention he is given. It doesn't matter if Till hates him, because as long as he is on Till's mind Ivan is happy. He is entirely in Till's hands, capable of being build up or torn down depending on how much (or how little) he is perceived by him.
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Notice my pain
And mend me right now
To quiet my fears
I'll drown in you
He wants so deeply to be seen by Till, noticed. Till who doesn't let anything hold him down and always picks himself back up became a pillar of hope and strength to Ivan. It didn't matter how or in what context he gets to be seen, so he went out of his way to provoke him just to get Till to look at him even for a moment.
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This was mentioned a while back on VIVINOS Patreon but the entire incident where Mizi and Till got attacked by that hound monster was orchestrated by him. I feel like there is two possible reasons for this depending on when in the timeline this takes place.
Either he wanted to test Till's resolve in hopes of being proven wrong about his courage (after all your hopes can't be dashed on the rocks, if you never had hopes to begin with) only for his obsession to end up growing even stronger than before.
Or he tried to let Till get roughed up enough that he'd be transferred (solitary confinement? emergency room?) somewhere else away from the others at Anakt, so they could escape together.
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But we all know how that turned out.
Either way what Ivan wants isn't freedom, he's long since given up on that. There's no point in his freedom if the person that inspired him to yearn for it isn't by his side. He needs Till there, his very presence to reassure him that no matter what Till won't falter. But he failed to take account of the one thing that weakens Till's resolve.
Mizi.
Mizi is to Till what Till is to Ivan. And so without Mizi in his world Till crumbles. Since Till will only go where Mizi is and Mizi already gave away her heart to someone else, it's impossible for Ivan to be free while keeping Till in his world.
And so he follows him, resigning himself to a life without freedom.
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Sick of these nights to come
To be engulfed in silence
But the distance between them is killing him, and each and every day they come closer to their inevitable doom.
It doesn't matter if they believe the lie the aliens told them, that if they die singing they will be blessed. Because what is the point in that? How can going somewhere far away from the people they love be a blessing?
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In your gaze where I am seen
Consume me
Yes, me
His desires mirror Till's. He wants his soul to be seen by him, recognized for his undying love for him. He wants Till to see that he can give him all that Till yearns for in Mizi and more.
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To this everlasting melody
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Face to face we dance
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And yet Till still refuses to look Ivan in the eyes.
Things get a little unclear but since they aren't shown singing here and there's no flashback to accompany the lyrics, we can assume that at this moment Till most likely gave up on singing.
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With our story
Lost in forever's embrace
I'm not sure if Ivan intended this from the start or if it's a decision he made then and there but one thing is certain. If Till stops singing then that would mean he forfeits, he'll lose. Till has never once given up. Even when he went back for Mizi that night, he never intended to leave her in the first place. But now without her he crumbles.
And Ivan can't let that happen, not like this.
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Moral grey area aside, this scene is so deeply moving to me
And I don't say that in a romantic context, absolutely not. This is something much deeper than just love. This is the culmination of everything they've been through, all those moments lead up to this.
Because this isn't a kiss.
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This is Ivan throwing his life away for Till.
Till was going to loose, the only thing that could overturn that is if his opponent attacks him. The kiss was to distract Till and keep him from catching up to what Ivan was planning.
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Just look at the contrast between their first and second kiss. As soon as the score board shows Till is in the lead, he gives him a gentle peck on the lips. The contrast is stark and full of meaning. This was the genuine kiss, hidden behind a smokescreen of aggressive bravado created from the previous one.
And it worked. Till was completely convinced that Ivan's intentions was to kill him, and he was fully intent on letting him.
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I know a lot of people doubted his intentions. Because he didn't let go of Till's neck the minute he saw their scores, a lot of people assume that this was Ivan trying to drag Till down with him.
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But the minute he coughed up blood what does he do?
He smiles.
and let's Till go.
He's only human. He might know logically that Till has won the match. But emotionally he refuses to let go until he is certain.
Until he knows for a fact that he is the one bleeding and dying he'll keep up his charade.
And then.
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And only then.
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Till truly sees Ivan.
As he dissolves in his gaze.
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trufous · 25 days
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hahaha.... what are your thoughts on round 6.. who do you think is going to win till or luka? i hope mizi and hyuna come save till and luka gets stood up like a pathetic loserboy
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walleeli · 26 days
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Ivan is only allowed tenderness when Till isn’t conscious. Every other interaction between them is marked by violence (anything is better than nothing at all.)
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nottoonedin · 26 days
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Not to analyse this specific scene in the MV frame by frame.. but.. to do just that:
I do believe Ivan was planning to kill Till, in a ''if I can't have you no one can'' sort of way. He looks sort of out of it, he's not looking Till in the face, he's focused on his hands on his neck.
But then:
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Ivan choking on his own blood snaps him out of it. The light comes back to his eyes. He looks up at Till. He realises what he's doing. He realises that he doesn't want to do this to Till. He loves him too much (even if he has really weird, fucked up way of showing it..). AND THE BITTERSWEET SMILE-
Reminds me of a little certain scene in Round 3:
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(I can't think rn, I'll probably edit and add more when I collect my thoughts)
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c0rinarii · 26 days
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MIZI and TILL - Aftermath
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harpieisthecarpie · 25 days
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i succumbed to the demons
rofl lol lmfao
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original meme under the cut
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zntauri · 16 days
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🤍🖤 I knew this would happen ever since they sang My Clematis 😔 but it's ok guys, they are just acting, Ivan is alive (I'm delusional)
Also the background is (loosely) based on one of the bgs in Round 1 :D
How to Get Your Crush to Notice You: by Ivan
step 1: sing together :D
step 2:
step 3: die
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pillowspace · 21 days
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Just thought "what if when an Alien Stage character dies, they wake up in an alternate universe where aliens haven't invaded, and all humans are happily living their own lives? What if those who die eventually reunite in that universe?" and that instantly made the entire series so much more easy to cope with. I hope Sua's doing laundry and paying taxes. I hope she makes eye contact with a still confused Ivan while out at the store and is utterly stunned. I hope she asks how Mizi's been doing
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amki-s · 21 days
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Round 6 destroyed me
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melancholyofautvmn · 25 days
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watching the ivantill kiss scene over and over and actually going insane...
the way the first two kisses were rough and passionate, ivan begging till "notice me!! look at me!!! notice me!!!!" but till has his eyes closed and he's not kissing ivan back...
and then the last kiss, soft & short, ivan telling till "i love you. i'm sorry. please be okay."
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silvercrane14 · 25 days
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Guys they literally don't wear the collars during performances. That's not how they die they get shot. Sua was shot. Her collar didn't explode she wasn't even wearing one. He's dead guys
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raspcha · 10 days
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cooking or cooked? i don't know [WIP]
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k0fii · 17 days
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A redraw of a Cure screencap (+added text) because it made me violently ill
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naiart-i · 22 days
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And I'll sing for you until I give you my last breath
Ivan |¦ Alien Stage
Just a wip of my boy, he's eating tomato sauce don't worry ;-;
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c0rinarii · 26 days
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WE ARE SO IVANOVER
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