#Veronica Mars Revival

[veronicamarsconfessions]

10 Crime Shows With Terrible Endings

From great short-lived shows like Veronica Mars to long-running hits like Criminal Minds, some crime shows failed to impress in their final season.

The more successful a series is the harder it is for the show to conclude in a way that satisfies the dedicated fans and watchful critics. While many crime shows start on a high note that draws the viewers in, the finale of the overarching plot has to end with enough thrills and satisfactory justice to convince the audience.

After the highly controversial conclusion of the revival, it's safe to say this crime series is unredeemable.

#Veronica Mars #Rob Thomas #KBell #Veronica Mars Revival #VMars #news #fuck you Rob Thomas

[huntzbergered]

I actually think I completely removed the memories related to the Veronica Mars new season from my mind which is like kind of medically concerning. I was going through the tags like concerned about what I was reading and how was I not here when VM had a reboot?? But then I read that Logan died and it came back, this was another horror show of a revival that I wanted no memory of so my brain has tried to protect me LOL (because come the fuck on, why would you kill your best character and ship for absolutely no sensible reason in a revival?? Yeah no, no Rob).

#veronica mars #Veronica mars revival #logan echolls #logan x veronica #Veronica X Logan

[frazzledsoul]

#revivals #in general the worst! #gilmore girls ayitl #veronica mars #the x files #and just like that

[laufire]

often part of my hate for a character is fueled by the reaction they awaken in the audience, and/or the perception that the writers REALLY want me to love them and think they're the best, most heroic guys ever.

other times the way a character is written is clearly meant to embody literally everything I hate, with purpose, and boy. I won't think about them while I'm not watching/reading the source material, or remember them when I make my "top most hated" lists... but once they enter my view again or get name-dropped, the homicidal rage is back on in full force!

this post has been brought to you by a conversation about veronica mars with a friend that reminded me of just how much I wanted sheriff (don) lamb to die (and he did! because sometimes, tv-land is generous like that). but I also appreciated that he was written specifically in this way, with no pulled punches. because if they'd softened him even a little? it wouldn't be the wonderfully cynic little show that it excels at being.

like, in particular, I'm remembering the moment weevil BEGGED him to let him walk up the stage at his graduation, so that his ailing grandmother could finally see him do it, before he arrested him. it would have taken less than half a minute. and lamb refused because he's a vindictive, callous little man. and because veronica mars is not about giving its audience warm fuzzy feelings by trying to convince us that people are good and understanding and really really caring, deep down! they're selfish and mean and petty; real goodness and kindness is rarer than gold and will take you (and veronica herself) aback every time you encounter it. but most of the time? it wants you to see just how shitty and unfair the world is and react to it, with nothing cushy to soften the fall. and it's a better story for it, imo.

#just thinking about the show #not perfect by any means and it definitely lost in quality after each season* and wrote some really ??? shit (season 3...) #but i loved THIS about it so much lol #(((*just so we're all clear: i love season 4/the revival. this is a no revival slander space xDD))) #talking to the void #my thoughts #vmars thoughts #veronica mars #eli navarro #weevil navarro #don lamb

[septembersghost]

what shows do you think had good finales?

ooooh. i know i'm probably going to forget quite a few because i have watched too many things and my memory is sometimes like a sieve. and i'm not going to include mini-series/limited series since they're designed differently (though, if i did, i'd mention the haunting of bly manor). but, what i classify as a "good finale" is something that is narratively satisfying and effectively moving, and gives us a good sense of the characters we love and the place where we leave them (even if the last season of something isn't perfect, they can still pull off a good finale!). off the top of my head:

angel: the series, bates motel (okay, it's been months of stalling and i haven't seen this yet. i just. know it's good. partially because i fully trust that show, partially because i've seen spoilers), bones, breaking bad, buffy the vampire slayer, crazy ex-girlfriend, ER, eureka, friends, the good place, jane the virgin, schitt's creek, six feet under, 12 monkeys

on the slightly more controversial side: the original S7 finale of gilmore girls (i know S7 was a mess, i know it didn't involve the palladinos, but i still feel warmth for that finale, especially in light of the revival, which we do not acknowledge!), community (it goes off the rails, but the last few minutes of the finale and the use of "ends of the earth" does something to me, so i'm giving it credit), psych (if it counts, since they are still making movies!), and lost.

#sfu is unquestionably often called the best finale of all time for a reason #bad revivals are my villain origin story btw. gilmore girls. the x files. veronica mars. dexter. #all RUINOUS what was the reason for any of that #the fact that lumberjack dex (once one of my least favorite endings) is my best friend now because of that :') i get it now scott buck! #this is actually quite hard to answer i feel like i must be missing things but terrible endings keep popping to mind instead 😭 #(bcs is not terrible. bcs is a secret third thing that lives in its own category.) #also i know there are things considered genius endings (fringe/the americans/mr. robot/the leftovers) i just have not seen them (yet) #anonymous #letterbox

[hopeymchope]

No hardcore fandom has ever died so quickly and so completely as Veronica Mars. This is the story of its murder.

They should study Veronica Mars in Hollywood. I'm serious. It's an incredible story of how to go from "loud, passionate fanbase with its own fandom name that campaigns and advocates constantly for it" to "absolutely zero fucking interest" damn near OVERNIGHT with just ONE epically terri-bad decision.

If you weren't there, you don't understand: From 2007 to 2014, the fandom — the "Marshmallows," as they called themselves — were everywhere in the Internet's geek spaces, my friends. They routinely beat the drum about the series' three seasons and its excellence, lamented its cancellation, pushed others to give the show a try, and always - ALWAYS - proudly and loudly called for the series to be revived.

FULL DISCLOSURE/CONFESSION: I've not even watched that much Veronica Mars, frankly... ? Yeah, I'm sorry! it does seem pretty good from like the four-or-five hours I've experienced firsthand. I just never took the time to sit down with it. Regardless, I find fandoms and their dynamics — both how they operate internally and how they display to others externally — deeply fascinating. And I honestly find them easier to study from the outside than the inside. Like, if I'm IN a fandom, I'm more likely to stay in my corner and ignore places that seem negative. But being on the outside lets me just... absorb what's out there, looking into every forum without judgment. It's like studying pop-culture sociology or something? And it helps that I'm very close to some serious(-ly burnt) Marshmallows. It makes it so much easier to find and absorb the gamut of the fandom.

Besides: There is NO fandom story I've ever seen that's anything like what happened to Veronica Mars and the Marshmallows.

(Time to insert a brief explainer for the uninitiated: Veronica Mars was a TV series that aired from 2004-2007 on the now-deceased UPN network wherein Kristen Bell played the titular character, a high school girl whose single dad was a private detective in the fictional community of Neptune, California. She grew up working "unofficially" as his assistant, which meant that she herself was effectively a teenage private detective.

The three core elements of the series were: 1) Veronica investigating each week's big mystery with plenty of quips and snark, 2) Watching Veronica's various relationships develop and shift, with most of the focus given to a) her relationship to her father and b) Her romantic pursuits (which began as the Veronica/Duncan/Logan triangle before eventually becoming focused on the slow-burn, off-on Veronica/Logan love story), and 3) The gradual development of that season's "mytharc" — the overarching BIG MYSTERY that doesn't get resolved or wrapped until the season finale. So it went over the course of two seasons that took place in high school and the third, shorter season that was at the start of Veronica's collegiate career.)

Just how big and how passionate were the Marshmallows? WELL! When series creator Rob Thomas (not the Matchbox 20 guy) and star Kristen Bell announced the Kickstarter campaign for the Veronica Mars movie in March 2013, it achieved its heretofore-unprecedented goal of TWO MILLION GODDAMN DOLLARS within less than 12 hours. At that time, it was the biggest Kickstarter goal to ever succeed — and certainly the fastest to reach that kind of height. Fans fell OVER themselves to pay out for it. Hell, my own significant other was DEEP in the tank for VM at the time and invested enough to get multiple t-shirts as backer rewards as well as a disk copy of the movie when it eventually came home.

And AFTER the movie hit in 2014? It was thankfully beloved and embraced! The once-teenage characters were adults who were actually out living on their own and working for a living, but the fandom had grown up with them, so it wasn't like they were begging for them to stay young students. They embraced Adult Veronica and her new adventure. The fandom rejoiced loudly and continued to be all over the geek side of the Internet... where they, of course, still wanted more. Sure, there were new novels in the aftermath (which were written by the creator of the series), but most of the Marshmallows were calling for more movies or a streaming revival.

And then, at long last... season four was actually announced. And there was much (premature) rejoicing yet again.

Yes, Veronica Mars returned for a fourth season on Hulu in 2019. It was just eight episodes, and it was heavily centered on one season-long mystery instead of sprinkling that amongst a bunch of smaller ones, but it would still feature the same ol' Veronica. They promised a new, more "adult" mystery/investigation plus a strong focus on Veronica and Logan's love story.

New Hulu purchased the rights to the first three seasons and hyped up its presence on the platform while marketing the return for the new run. The marketing team played up the most popular quips from the show's history plus put out TONS of stuff centered on the Logan/Veronica ship to pump up the fans.

The season was dropped all at once using the classic Netflix "binge" model in July 2019. And then... afterwards?

There was a brief explosion of LOUD RAGE from the Marshmallows at what series creator Rob Thomas had to done to burn and spite the fandom and ruin his own goodwill.

SPOILERS FOR SEASON 4: See, at the end of the movie, Veronica and Logan finally entered into a long-term relationship. In season four, they've been dating for years, and Logan proposes marriage. But of course there has to be drama/obstacles: In this case, Veronica isn't sure she's ready to marry... or capable of being in a marriage. Ah, but of course she eventually realizes how much Logan means to her. The two are married, and, in the season finale... Logan is killed by a car bomb in the penultimate scene. The final scene is a flashfoward to a year later, where Veronica leaves Neptune alone.

For most fandoms, that'd be a memorable point of pain. A big ol' speed bump that ultimately throws some people off the bus, leaving only the die-hards. But the fact that fans had been invested in this relationship for literally 15 years and that Hulu (and creator Rob Thomas) had heavily marketed the new season as being a big romantic event for the ship... it was too much. Unlike the aftermath of the Star Wars sequels, there was no lingering group of die-hard fans who were open to whatever was next — at least no significant one. I did some Googling and could only find TWO people who still wanted another season.

Funnily enough? Critics LOVED this. Hell, Vanity Fair infamously penned an editorial about how Veronica Mars had "finally grown up" with this finale. I suppose all the other murders and deaths and drug overdoses and r*pe weren't "mature" enough before now for... some... reason. (The same editorial also featured the author openly hating on Veronica ever being in a relationship because it causes "arrested development" and declaring that the movie -- which was acclaimed by both critics AND fans alike, I remind you -- was a lame dud. So. The writer must be a reeeaaaal fun person.)

But a series doesn't live based on critical acclaim, as it turns out. The fandom was murdered overnight. "Marshmallows" stopped appearing in geek spaces online entirely. No one expressed interest in seeing the next season or the next movie. The constant flow of fan AMVs on YouTube and fanfics on AO3 dried up to nothing or damn nearly so.

Since 2019 ? Nothing. Chirping crickets. An intensely dedicated fandom of 12 years was just... vaporized.

I've never seen anything like it before OR since.

That's why it's so fucking fascinating.

So what went wrong?

Creator Rob Thomas was adamant about two things: ONE, the series was intended to be a noir show, which meant there couldn't be any happiness for its protagonist. And TWO, the death of Logan was necessary to evolve and grow the series.

Thomas thought that having Veronica in a relationship would be holding her back, and that a marriage would absolutely kill the series and leave her stagnant. It never even occurred to him that marriage isn't the end of a character's life and growth. It never occurred to him that plenty of drama can be had AFTER someone is married, or that development/growth could be that the characters mature enough to be capable of maintaining a committed relationship. Thomas' view of his own universe was so myopic that he couldn't conceive of any possible way that Veronica could still be a private detective involved in life-threatening investigations AND be married at the same time. Futhermore, he felt that fans just wanted Veronica to become a pregnant housewife, which is about as far from what Marshmallows were after as you can get without straight-up killing Veronica and/or Logan. He managed to do the only thing wronger than what he wrongly thought was their insistence.

On top of the above, Rob Thomas only viewed "noir" as a vehicle for total fatalism... despite the fact that many of the most famous noir stories are cynical and full of moral ambiguity, but they still feature a positive outcome. The Big Sleep still has the protagonist get the girl. The Set-Up arguably ends with the happiest possible ending in spite of the beating the hero receives.

Perhaps most importantly? Despite Thomas own insistence that Veronica Mars was always "noir," the majority of both TV critics and fans did not think that designation ever truly applied. I suspect that's the reason why Thomas decided to go as dark and fatalistic as possible: He wanted to be noir, and he was being told that he wasn't. So he went so far into noir that he killed his own most popular property.

He was adamant that it was the only way for the series to grow. But as it turns out, it was instead the only way for the series to permanently end. Without that season four finale, a passionate group of fans would still be begging for more. With it? It's over. Nobody fucking cares now.

That's kind of amazing.

#veronica mars #rob thomas #fandom #dead fandom #marshmallows #burnt marshmallows #fandom histories #the death of veronica mars #the day veronica mars died #gifs #television gifs #tv gifs #veronica mars gifs #vmars

[raisedbythetv89]

Seeing them together and happy as adults after everything they’ve been through makes me absolutely insane and I KNOW this is so shallow but like they’re both still SO. HOT. and have so much chemistry even all these years later which is just SO RARE normally when shows do revivals with an older cast it’s never quite the same as the original and with Veronica Mars the cast brought the exact same chemistry and energy but the creator absolutely WASTED it writing everyone out of character and forcing the show to be something it’s not😭 but…. at least I can pick and choose clips from season 4 to make edits that create a much preferred narrative to the one they gave us 😹😭

#gnawing on the bars of my enclosure #THE VOICES!!! #veronica mars #logan echolls #logan and veronica #veronica and logan #LoVe #jason dohring #kristen bell

[veronicaneptunes]

That’s honestly the funniest thing about the revival-  everything about It was so lackluster. The lighting and cinematography was bland and grey and drab. The costumes were underwhelming, the writing was weak- all the characters and I mean ALL, not just Logan- Veronica, Kieth, Wallace and Weevil weren’t done justice. It felt like a soulless version of Veronica Mars that even the worst episodes of season 3 never quite sunk that low and then to top it all off they ended on the most ridiculous, ill thought out finale and we were just meant to forgive all of that?

#veronica mars

[blackcharactertournament]

Black Character Tournament: Left Side!

adding a post break to make this more rebloggable

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Chidi Anagonye | The Good Place vs Bow | She-Ra & the Princesses of Power

Marina Ida | Splatoon vs Youngblood Ra | Roleslaying with Roman

Barret Wallace | Final Fantasy VII vs Lunella Lafayette/Moon Girl | Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur

Lucas Sinclair | Stranger Things vs Gus Porte | The Owl House

Carole Stanley | Carole and Tuesday vs Garnet | Steven Universe

Aisha/Layla | Winx Club vs Carter Kane and Sadie Kane | The Kane Chronicles

Martha Jones | Doctor Who vs Death | Sandman (TV)

Finn | Star Wars vs Oluwande Boodhari | Our Flag Means Death

Leshawna | Total Drama vs Sonic the Hedgehog | Sonic the Hedgehog

Jodie Landon | Daria vs Helen Brand | Glass Onion

Wolf | Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts vs Benson | Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts

Mike Hanlon | IT (Steven King) vs Burton Guster | Psych

Flow | Roleslaying With Roman vs Nasuada | Inheritance Cycle/Eragon Trilogy

Jordan Hennessey | Dreamer Trilogy vs Ava Coleman | Abbott Elementary

Duke Thomas | DC Comics vs Mel Medarda | Arcane

Molly Blyndeff | Epithet Erased vs Michael Burnham | Star Trek Discovery

Neena Thurman (Domino) | Marvel comics / Deadpool 2 vs Nyota Uhura | Star Trek The Original Series

Gregory Eddie | Abbott Elementary vs Kipo Oak | Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts

Elena Amamiya | Star Twinkle Precure vs Simon Aumar | Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves

Karli Morgenthau | MCU: The Falcon and the Winter Soldier vs Enfys Nest | Star Wars: A Solo Story

Connor Hawke/Green Arrow | DC Comics vs Myla | One Last Stop

Winston Bishop | New Girl vs Khalil Harris | The Hate U Give

T'Challa | Black Panther vs Dr. Charlotte | Falsettos (Revival)

Gigi Thompson | Inside Job vs Isaiah | One Last Stop

Ivan Taylor | The Wilds vs Nathan Byrne | The Bastard Son & the Devil Himself

Miranda Bailey | Grey's Anatomy vs Essun | Broken Earth Trilogy

Agent 355 | Y : The Last Man vs Audacious Opportunity (A.O.) Rooke | Friends at the Table (Partizan)

OJ Haywood | Nope 2022 vs Nubia | Wonder Woman

Mr Nancy | American Gods vs Storm | X Men

Ambrose Spellman | Chilling Adventures of Sabrina vs Louis | The Walking Dead Game

Angela Moore | Boy Meets World vs Hilary Banks | The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Junko Saotome | Nana vs Wes Gibbins | How to Get Away with Murder

Turk | Scrubs vs Wallace Fennel | Veronica Mars

Frozone | The Incredibles vs Kendra Young | Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Joelle Brooks | Dear White People vs Sans | Undertale

Anissa Pierce/Thunder | Black Lightning vs Koriand'r/Starfire | Titans (DC TV show)

Andre Harris | Victorious vs Sara | Over the Garden Wall

Samol | Friends at the Table vs Taion | Xenoblade Chronicles 3

Emerald Haywood | Nope (2022) vs Genly Ai | The Left Hand of Darkness

Sarah Miller | The Last of Us (TV) vs Pinkie Pie | My Little Pony

Muhammed Avdol | Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure vs Dr Foreman | House MD

Efi Oladele | Overwatch vs Jason Hauer | We only find them when they are dead

Bram Greenfeld | Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda / Love, Simon vs Zélie Adebola | Children of Blood and Bone

Nick Fury | Marvel vs Sam Wilson | MCU

Uniqua | The Backyardigans vs Alexx Woods | CSI Miami

Rue | Euphoria vs Bill Potts | Doctor Who

Nadine Ross | Uncharted series vs Jalil Sherman | Everworld

Baal (Valentine) | The Wicked + the Divine vs Jamal Saturday | Locke and Key (comics)

#black character tournament #poll tournament

[veroniconique]

"Cracked the code to TV revivals" LOLOLOLOL

I've never seen a loyal, enthusiastic, committed fandom actively root against their favorite show being picked up for another season before, Rob. So that was unique and original, yeah. Probably the most original thing you've ever done, and all because you couldn't stand that the audience loved Logan Echolls more than any of your loser, controlling, misogynistic character stand ins.

Never again. Never, NEVER again.

#rob thomas is dead to me #rob thomas #veronica mars #party down

[veronicamarsconfessions]

#Veronica Mars #Rob Thomas #VMars #Logan Echolls #Noir #Veronica Mars Revival #I got this from Twitter #sorry I don't remember where did I got it #sorry for using your meme #but it really fit #my hatred for this man needs no introduction

[sometimesanalice]

wait is there veronica mars tea????? ☕

OH YES! (My celebrity gossip addiction and Reddit rabbit holes have set me up for success in this moment! 🙌🏻)

So for people’s last day on set during that one-and-done revival series (rip what could have been but they did it to themselves going the edge lord route with that ending 🫣) the producers and show runners would show up for everyone’s last day. Like a nice celebratory thing!

Except for the day of Jason Dohring last day of filming. So he did his last scene, and NO ONE was there to send him off. (Spoiler: They exploded the guy and then he didn’t even get like a cake? I mean…) So for him to have been there from the beginning and was such an important part of the show, yet nothing? Ouch.

So he kind of dropped that bomb (edit: pun NOT intended, but now I’m wheezing) during one of the promotional interviews (linked for your viewing pleasure! The tea is spilled around 2:10) and you can tell that Kristen Bell is shocked (either because she’s like why would you air that or like wow I’m a jerk and didn’t even know until know) but it is TANGIBLY uncomfy between them, like he won’t look at her.

It’s not the hottest of tea, but still interesting considering how built up and hyped everything was about the revival! And how Rob Thomas justified the ending by being like Veronica can’t grow up if she’s still with her high school boyfriend. ☕️

#anywho as you can see I love a good deep dive 😂 #I definitely had an addiction to the E! app when I was in college #i love some good celebrity gossip #answers from Alexa

[youcallyourselfafilmcritic]

One of the funniest "Hilarious in Hindsight" things for me is with the show Veronica Mars

If you've never watched it's an early 2000s (with a movie in 2014 and one season revival in 2019) noir-aesthetic SoCal mystery series that aired on UPN with a final season on CW. Part of the deal with the CW acquisition (the series was NOT doing well ratings wise) was to simplify the format.

So the first two seasons had one long mystery with season 2's bus crash being particularly convoluted. This is kind of hilarious in the binge era but they felt this made it hard to market the show so it kind of got a soft reboot with the cast in college.

They whittled it down to dividing the season into 3 parts, with the first two following shorter self-contained mysteries and the last handful of episodes having nothing. It was a detective show with no detecting outside of standalone case of the week stuff.

So with no arc (outside of Veronica's father Keith running for the town's Sherriff which wasn't that engaging) they needed some more hooks per the episodes. And they actually did what the kids would have called a Very Special Episode where they got involved with a charity and all!

They even ended the episode-I Know What You'll Do Next Summer-with a bumper for a charity that was involved with the episode's production which was about Ugandan child soldiers.

The charity in question? Invisible Children

They would five years after this episode's airing go on to gain infamy with what was known as their Get Kony 2012 campaign. Yes this is THAT charity

And if you don't know Kony 2012-and therefore why them popping up in a random VM episode years prior is so funny to me-that, my friends, is a story for another time....(or just Google it I'm probably not gonna do another post about this campaign and it's heavily documented)

#veronica mars #detective noir shows #veronica mars season 3 #kristen bell #uganda #ugandan child soldiers #get kony #kony 2012 #invisible children

[jacobdenness]

the 100 is placed on an appropriate list, was surprised to see it was only at ten but the other ending were really bad so I guess I get it. the 100 ended terribly and it should go down in History as one of the worst endings so it feels really good to see that happen.

#the 100 #the 100 season 7 #the 100 season seven #jason sucks #the 100 final season #fjroth #fjason #worse ending #bad tv #10 worset

[masterthespianduchovny]

Hello Pitches,

I know we all took and continue to take the Pitch cancellation hard no matter how much time has passed. For many of us, including me, it still feels fresh. As an aside, I believe I went under the name leftenantscullbagg or Leavingwestcovina when I was active in the Pitch fandom. Some of you may know me by my AO3 handle, 2shytheshippy. I worked closely with PST and was one of the many fans who donated money to fly the banner. :) This is all to say, despite my inactivity, I’m not new to this fandom and had to remove myself because of how devastating it was for me. I was in the trenches with many of the pitches back then.

Here’s the thing: Pitch almost came back in 2019 or 2020 and, as much as I hate to admit it, Disney had a point when they said Pitch doesn’t really fit the Disney plus brand (or even Hulu for that matter).

But here’s the other thing: No doesn’t mean never. The old writing staff was literally called to begin planning a season two storyline. MPG was beginning to grow out his beard again. This was a real thing that almost happened. Then, once it fell apart, we went quiet. I know how emotionally draining campaigning for a show is, however, we have to reapply the pressure. There are several ways a long dormant show can come back and to name three of them: an exec who has interest in reviving a show, a powerful person in Hollywood advocating for the show, and/or persistent fan campaigns—sometimes a combination of all three.

The X-Files got brought back because Dana Waldman (then TV exec for Hulu now like the president of Disney television or something) and Gary Newman were excited to revive it, esp because they’re the ones who originally got it on air. Justified is returning because Quentin Tarantino was interested in shooting something for a later book in the series and things snowballed from there. Veronica Mars was brought back because fans never gave up on the show—the fastest kickstarter campaign to reach 2 million dollars in like less than a day, which led to a movie being made. Down the line, this likely HEAVILY influenced execs to revive the show on Hulu. That movie was made SEVEN years after it’s first cancellation and the revival happened TWELVE years later.

Now some perhaps immediately noticed that all of these shows had multiple seasons, which is true, but it’s also besides the point, which is: there is always a chance, esp when it almost came back, if you’re persistent enough and execs know a fandom (read: money) is there.

Things that also helps: Pitch was a critical darling, this show still has articles that directly writes about it or mentions the show in various lists even in 2022, and Dan’s success with This Is Us including Emmy success—nomination and win(s). That means something. Maybe not a lot on it’s own, but with persistent and increased fan support, it could make a helluva difference.

Now, some of you may be thinking about me saying “Disney had a point”, so am I like contradicting myself or something???

Here’s one more thing: Disney plus isn’t the only service/channel the Walt Disney co has. They also have Hulu (also may be out), ABC, FX, FX on Hulu, and Freeform. As mentioned, I don’t see Pitch being a match for Hulu, ABC is also questionable for me, and Freeform is a hard no. I also think that Pitch doesn’t gel with cable FX, which leaves FX on Hulu. That’s where we should advocate where Pitch’s new home should be. It may sound confusing because “it’s still Disney, right”, but it makes a difference to the Walt Disney Group. I also think that FX is more supportive and takes more chances on it’s shows. Their content is also very diverse, I believe.

But the other option, the non Disney option: Apple TV Plus.

I promise you all, back in 2017–way, way before Ted Lasso was even pitched to execs (I know this IP has existed since 2013, but I believe it I was pitched either 2018 and after), I literally wrote like a card or letter to Apple, but never sent it. I think this was before their streaming service launched, but I’ve always seen the potential in Apple TV Plus.

Why?

Not only could Apple do cross promotion out of the ass in a way that isn’t obvious promotion (or promotion that will get them called out on), they could exploit so many branding deals with Ginny’s character (read: Nike, who Apple has a close relationship with and who canonically sponsor’s Ginny; Beats, which she wears, athleisure wear, you get the point), and they (now) have a deal with the MLB, which Disney doesn’t since FOX sports is it’s own separate thing.

The biggest thing would be selling Apple on picking up the series. It’s not uncommon for show’s to be shot on one studio lot/produced by someone else and air on another channel/studio. That is effectively what was going on with Pitch. Hell, when Timeless was picked up for a second season, Sony sold their shares to NBC to offset the shooting cost. This was after NBC, I believe, tried to get another network or streamer to pick it up.

And by being on streaming, Pitch doesn’t have to have network ratings—they can have more grace and flexibility than trying to achieve ratings that’s only really possible for procedural, certain comedies, and truly break out hit shows. It was never a good fit on FOX and they dropped the ball when backing this show. Streaming is a much better fit.

Someone also pointed out that now since This Is Us has ended, it’s the perfect time for Pitch to return to TV since Dan is free as far as we know. Yes, Kylie is currently on a show, but we can always start with a special or whatever.

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If you can’t bear to go down this road again, I can understand ignoring this and moving on. If you want to see how far we can take this, click the discord link and tag people if you know of any who’d be interested in participating.

I’m currently still brainstorming about effective campaigns we can run, who we can talk to, and how to cultivate interest in this show to get more people watching. We need all of these things in our favor to turn the tide in our direction.

#pitch #Ginny baker #fox #Apple TV plus #Disney #fx on Hulu #hulu #fx

[elena-ferrante]

hi, i just started watching veronica mars. would you recommend watching it past season 3 or just stay with the original run?

hello! i recommend watching the first three seasons even though after season two - or even season one - the quality gets exponentially worse. i wouldn't bother with the revival or whatever they called because it was an insult to television and humanity tbh

#askbox #s1 is still the greatest #literally zero notes