#New Generation Fanon

[hella1975]

maybe not a hot take but is anyone else like reluctant to get new atla content lmao. like the series is so genuinely incredible and the last time they tried to capitalise on that we ended up with The Movie and while i AM excited to have more conversation about atla and maybe even another renaissance (god ive seen what youve done for others... *is talking about the zukka renaissance of 2020*) im also very scared of what is going to be made canon. like a whole movie for zuko? you're gonna give that loser an entire movie now? he's going to canonically say a slur i just know it

#like because atla hasnt had any new content since the show ended *yes we're ignoring the film entirely* #it means the fandom is very solid and we all know what is and isnt canon and the general fanon consensus for things #and idk it's just always been a very stable fandom to me like it's always one i can fall back on #bc it's not changing and it's not going anywhere #so to suddenly have all this big new flashy content coming in is actually more nervewracking than it is exciting #at least for me #like zuko is not that interesting what could they possibly have to say about him for 2 whole hours #basically avatar studios im just begging you not to butcher my faves #they have been through enough besties #atla

[utilitycaster]

As a frequent "ugh, fanon," person it's not that I don't like non-canonical character designs or interpretations as a concept. I love unique and creative ideas about fictional characters that are informed by canon but diverge from it in interesting ways that build upon the original vision! I almost never see this in fanon.

#this is about a bunch of things but rn i'm thinking about halfling tails...uninteresting repetitive pointless and in conflict with canon #more generally i get that fanworks are derivative by nature and that's the point but there's similar and there's The Same. #like. my beef with fanon is not ultimately one of HOW DARE YOU DEVIATE FROM THE HOLY WRIT #it's that it's often dull and poorly executed by people who are gathering around a single kind of stupid headcanon #there are many great individual headcanons out there but they almost never make it to fanon status #bc fanon is not a garden of many new interesting ideas. it's a single dirty pink flamingo haphazardly stabbed into the lawn. #99% of the time canon was better bc it wasn't passed through a committee that stripped it of anything interesting and made it reproducible #anyway follow for more musing on how i believe that while capitalism has DEFINITELY made art worse social media also has #most of my favorite creators end up being the ones who are either very offline or at least have very hard boundaries #and most of my favorite fan creators are involved in fandom but are also fanon (derogatory) people

[dykesbat]

hey fun fact! a lot of people don’t like fanon bc fanon does a great disservice to marginalized characters (particularly poc, women, etc). often times fanon versions of those characters also means subconsciously projecting bigoted stereotypes on that character/flanderizing a particular part of the character while leaving all the complexity to the white male main characters

#edit bc ppl are thinking this post is fandom specific: i used general terms here for a reason #yeah my tags are abt dc but the content of the post is talking generally abt every fandom #fanon duke isnt bad bc its fanon its bad bc it greatly reduces the only constant black batfam member whos been around since #2013. #fanon duke (the sane normal new kid) is used to prop up the other kids and make them seem more interesting/weird can we like. #stop pretending like that portrayal of duke isnt basically automatically putting him in a supportinh role lol #fanon cass isnt bad bc its fanon its bc it typecasts her into asian stereotypes she doesnt fit into even though shes been around since #the 1990s #can we stop pretending like ppl only hate fanon bc its new fans ikjashgdal #im sure thats a part of it for some ppl but lkasdjhb

[taihua]

The thing that bothers me about fanon characterization of Mu Qing as super insecure about his talent and abilities is that it erases what is, imo, one of the best things about him—the fact that he was a servant and still thought “I’m just as good—maybe even better than—the Crown Prince” and proceeded to prove it (and I think that’s exactly why Xie Lian liked him, because he also believes that people are good and talented regardless of their station or social class and being friends with Mu Qing reinforces that belief for him)

And to repeat my tags from another post: it’s not that he doesn’t have insecurities, but they’re not about his abilities, because he’s completely confident in them and deserves to be. He’s just insecure about how other people view him, which is something he can’t really control (except through reprimanding people in their dreams, but that doesn’t work on his fellow gods)

And in summary this is all a lot more interesting to me than another generic “I’ll never be good enough 🥺” characterization

#to be clear when i complain about fanon i don’t really mean fanworks #it’s more like. the casual mass of posts (usually on twt) with casual commentary on the characters #talking /about/ characters etc more than generating a new self contained work about them #if that makes sense #fic writers and artists making fan comics are thinking a lot more about characterization than the average casual post #edit: wow how many times can i use the word ‘casual’ in these tags….sorry i just got to work n my ass is not working once again!!!

[transfemswagbracket]

are people really mad about team rocket winning because its "just going oh gender!" because that is not true. vivian is canon trans but meowth was for nearly a decade voiced by a trans woman (maddie blaustein) that credited the experience to part of why she was able to come out! a significant amount of the votes towards team rocket will be a result of this (and the common man in a dress jokes around james, something that while intended as just a repeated punchline is commonly reclaimed by trans fans.)

YEAH no absolutely, couldn't have said it better myself

#i think every single 'fanon' transfem on this bracket deserves their spot and most have significant transfem readings #my friend's whole essay about the transfem coding in tavroses story #anne's 'I think the reason I don't want a new look is because I'm finally happy with who I see in the mirror right now' #hunter's story about being controlled for so long and eventually being able to escape that and reclaim their own identity #marco being genuinely intended to be a trans girl before disney said no #june's complicated feelings about having to grow up into her father's ideal of a Man and hating it for reasons she doesn't understand #mob apparently really envying a canon female character and wanting to be like her (taken from my spreadsheet ive never seen mp100 LOL) #hornet being the only gendered vessel and being called 'the gendered child' #jenny picking her name and wanting to be seen as a girl and hating her body and her old name #miku's general existence as an icon for all trans people #team rocket's constant crossdressing and meowth's voice actor #even the sillier ones or the ones that i don't understand cuz i'm not familiar with the source are like... who cares! this is just for fun! #transfemswagbracket #qna

[centeris2]

eh this is what I get for taking so long to finish a project

(rip that Dark Core Day video project from like two years ago now that has Chiyo's art and voice, which is now outdated, I guess. But that's just how sso is)

#/sso #I also just like... don't care? #like when I first played the games it was 3 Dark Generals #then it was surprise there are 4 dark riders and the 4th is Elise #but no we're not going to add her to the game anytime soon #now this is what she looks like and also a name change #now she's got a new look (except it's all just concept art anyway sO) and a new new name #I don't know how I'm supposed to care about a part of the Main Villain Squad who has yet to appear in game #and who doesn't even match name wise to what I heard that one time like ten years ago #I only know about her designs and name changes because of social media and that's honestly not a huge group of people #most people don't follow outside sources for their games they just... play the game and that's it #anyway as far as I'm concerned Elise Chiyo Whatever her name is going to be doesn't exist and never will #at least not in my fanon and fics #the whole 'sso changes lore every other year' thing as well as like #what am I supposed to wait 25 years for the story to be complete before I write anything? no thanks #don't mind me I'm talking #OH also I did the voice acting for her since it was my own video project #did voice acting for all the dark riders #not to confuse people and make folks think there were like files for her voice

[thedevotionaltour]

marvel should hire me to write bc i'd pull the funniest thing on earth where i am wiping his catholic slate CLEAN and i would explcitily have him go ehhhh i've never really been religious me and my dad went some easters and christmases and attended a few services outside of that but that stopped by the time i was around 10 and my dad just kinda gave up on it because he didn't particularly want to go by that point either. and even then we hadn't gone every year for easter and christmas in that time frame. and then we never bring that shit up again in the story. he is only catholic in the sense he went a few times and it's the only church experience he knew and his dad probably grew up going to church more in his youth being dragged in by his family but he never felt particularly compelled to go back to it once he moved out on his own. catholic only in the fact that his family was irish catholic but his dad is a lapsed catholic who did not give a fuuuuuck

#based off my own father's filipino catholic experiences. and my own religious experiences in general. bc my mom's protestant but still didnt #raise me religiously. i've been to church a handful of times and it was never bad but it never ever stuck. i just kinda remember some stuff #and what i do know it's more from the general cultural osmosis of american christianity than anything #plus i grew up in a known for its religiosity suburb. but again. that still didnt really rub off on me. #in my mind jack is a guy who when entering a church will still dip his fingers in the holy water and cross with it #and matt watches and maybe mimics but he doesnt really get it still bc their service attendance has been so extremely infrequent. #so i imagine it's far more like that for matt than the insane bs they've been pullin the last few years. given the you know. #50 somethings years of established only really culturally casually catholic matt. bc well. why wouldnt he be new york irish catholic. #i imagine is the thought process. but i will never be a fan of how it's a big deal now. bc it just never has been. ever #and that's not to say a character cannot become religious or be religious or have it become more of a thing in their life! #very much it can be done. but i think it's been done piss poor. from all i've seen and what i've read of recent stuff. so it's just bad. #like it isnt done in a meaningfully way or sensical to my understanding. it's like. pure show pandering fanon appeal. #so it's utterly meaningless as a whole with no point or purpose aside from it #can we go back to just using it for cool art visuals bc i think we can all appreciate a cool splash page of a church fight and stuff #but please. dont try to make it more than that if you arent going to do it well #SORRY I KNOW EVERYONE ON PLANET DD HAS MADE THIS POST BUT I REMEMBER AND GET SOOOOO IRRITATED!!!!! IT'S SO STUPID POINTLESS DUMB I HATE ITT #static.soundz

[satans-codpiece]

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#i dont wanan like fjhdfhsdf be rude but like. it felt super obvious to me that ramattra is among the youngest omnics #because. there were no new omnics made for years before the crisis #and the R-7000 were made during the crisis #and no new omnics have been made since outside of rare instances (echo and orisa) #like 'omg zen is older???' yes but it doesnt matter bc they all gained sentience at the same time #they are functionally all the same age and therefore its meaningless in terms of maturity #HOWEVER very cool to know how old Zen's model is! if we have a metric for when omnica started and ended we could estimate #if he is actually an 'older model' as is generally accepted fanon

[chuuyanakaahara]

8, 9, 10, 13?

8. common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about

i have a lot of fandom opinions that everyone is wrong but me and my mutuals as everyone knows but like. shirase wasn't a bad dude. shirase was a kid, like chuuya was; shirase was a kid and the supposed god that kept his family safe was seemingly betraying the mfor the enemy. shirase was a kid without any home or family and craving the sense of power that came from leadership and that came from having his own autonomy. shirase was a kid, like chuuya was, so why doesn't anyone acknowledge that shirase did what he thought was best, even if it was at the expense of chuuya, even if it wasn't? he was fifteen. he had a decision to make. it was do or die and shirase had to choose. if you ever want to see the correct shirase takes, they're over at @nnavia because by god i have never seen anyone else acknowledge that shirase was literally just a kid.

9. worst part of canon

hands down the yen press translation & what it did to opinions on mori's character. look i think that this fandom would be much more sufferable if mori hadn't made the joke to fukuzawa about elise being his wife because of the sheer number of people who don't recognize that it was a joke. god. please.

10. worst part of fanon

i answered this one already here ! but to give another answer, a bad part of fanon has to be the treatment of atsushi. he's the main character. he is never treated like the main character; not only is he never treated like the main character, but i've seen honest to god discourse about people who portray atsushi as more jaded and mean than the common fanon interpretation despite the fact that fanon has uwu-ified him so much it's not even funny. not even getting into how fanon treats ranpoe as though they're babies because ranpo chooses to act childish; he is twenty-six. not fifteen. it's okay for people to write him like an adult, and ranpo & poe being weird because they are weird as fuck.

13. worst blorboification

oh boy this is a difficult one because. well. you know. but i'm going to give this award not to dazai or chuuya (again, too obvious, we're striving for not the obvious here) but to... actually i am going to give this award to dazai & chuuya, a joint win. because i cannot think of a single other character who has been blorbified as much as they have - not even atsushi, who just got uwu-ified, and mori, who got villainized. if people want to write them ooc, that's fine; do what you want, fanon is meant to be participatory, and having good characterization is not a requirement. but don't act like it's gospel and other people who treat them closer to canon are the assholes.

[ ask is from this ask game ]

#cherri.txt #ask games #i just have a bone to pick with fanon in general but what's new huh

[malf-oy]

kinda funny that after so many years of being drarry trash the first fic im actually posting is the sirius/draco. like.... i don't even like sirius that much as a character? i just wanted to see him and draco fucking, the rest of the story is just kind of a side effect.

#not that im like anti-sirius or anything. i think he's interesting enough to write from his pov the whole time so #but i think its the fandom love of him that i dislike? like no hate to any specific person just the general fandom vibes #the popular fanon sirius is like........ anyways. i'll shut up there lest i make any new enemies.

[radical-dadical-rafael]

I so understand why ppl like making content where Jon and Daisy are friends but have you considered the fact that um. They wouldn't be.

#raf's rambles #akdjqjd okay I'm not gonna be mean abt people's fanon (even though I often am whoops) #but. Yeah. #the way people portray Daisy in general is kinda weird #but like. What makes Daisy a good character is the fact that she's not good!!! #what she's done! Unjustifiable! And she knows it!! And instead of wallowing in that. She tries to be better. And she doesn't ask #for the people she hurt to forgive her #she's trying to be better for the sake of being better! Not to be 'redeemed' in the eyes of better. Not to 'make up' for what she's done #not to undo her badness. But to work towards something better bc she wants to be #The thing that makes Jon and Daisy interesting it's that. They are the only two characters in the show that understand what it means #to be part of an entity. That I feel like is why Jon; even if he didn't forgive her; was still civil and willing to help her #because he understands her. And she understands him. #but they aren't friends. He's uncomfortable around her; I think that much is clear #She /scares/ him. He said he never felt more hopeless than when she dragged him to the forest to kill him. She was proud to show off the #new scar she left on him. He wouldn't be friends with her!!!! #and she wouldn't ASK for his friendship either!! She wouldn't expect that from him!!! She wouldn't /want/ that from him #bc she understands that she's hurt him!! And she can't take that back!!! But she can convince him to get out of his office w her and Basira #and she can try to make herself less of a threatening presence. And she can be civil #and yeah idk this is getting away from me but yeah they wouldn't be friends #and honestly!! I don't think they'd be friends in any universe! #not /really/ #not unless you entirelyyyyy change Daisy as a character #which ofc ppl have no qualms w doing. Which is fine!!! Have fun #but. Yeah! #my thoughts on that

[stairset]

Maybe it's just because of where I live, but the whole "Satine didn't like that her people were a bunch of warmongering imperialist assholes and told them to knock it off and implemented gun control and made the Jedi Torture Boxes illegal so that her people could rebuild and move on from their violent history of civil wars that reduced their planet into a nearly uninhabitable wasteland in favor of focusing on more productive things like art and education and this is literally cultural genocide and she's erasing history and she should've been a villain blah blah blah" take has always been so weird to me. Like I have absolutely seen people say things like that in real life all the time and about 90% of them have confederate flags on the back of their pickup trucks so. Yeah.

#''but the new mandos are mostly white in tcw!'' despite what many claim mandos were always mostly white even before tcw #i know people wanna act like they're The Single Most Diverse Culture In The Entire Galaxy but that was always largely an informed attribute #i mean star wars in general wasn't as diverse before the disney era that's why rebels and tcw season 7 have more non-white mandalorians #also the whole idea that she only took over cause of republic backing and made her people ''assimilate'' to republic culture #which first of all the republic doesn't have one culture it's made up thousands of planets with different cultures #contrary to popular belief the republic isn't really Space America it's more Space United Nations #and second of all her ENTIRE INTRODUCTORY ARC is about her being against republic overreach #and not wanting them to intervene in internal mandalorian affairs #but yeah clearly she's a puppet for the republic that's definitely consistent with what we actually see onscreen #and don't bother with the ''the republic glassed mandalore'' thing #that's legends and is never mentioned anywhere in tcw at all #as far as lucas and disney canon are concerned it's a wasteland because of centuries of civil wars #which sabine confirms in rebels #the whole erasing culture thing doesn't hold much weight either #when you consider satine is one of only two characters to actually speak mando'a onscreen (the other being sabine) #which. again. she did In Her Introductory Episode #and you can see mando'a writing all around new mandalore #in sharp contrast to the fanon idea that she suppressed the language or whatever #and like there's TONS of uniquely mandalorian artwork and architecture and stuff like that #those things are culture too she just focuses on the parts of the culture that aren't about killing people you don't like #also when pre vizsla starts his whole smear campaign against her and gains the favor of the people #she stands down because the people are on his side now #which shows she believes in the will of the people and thus it's safe to assume that the majority supported her favor when she took over #anyway i'm gonna go watch avatar and day zuko committed cultural genocide #cause imperialism is fire nation culture and he told them to knock it off #shut up tristan

[starryjellyfishies]

My favorite past time is reading fics for media I don't consume so I learn just how badly I am at distinguishing canon from fanon

#.... i thought the sectumseptra scene in HP was fanon i honest to god thought it was just a whump prompt #and i was also DEVASTATED when i found out that general armitage hux doesnt have a cat #i also read so much marvel fanfiction that i convinced myself i watched thor the dark world... i did not. i watched it after ragnarok #and realized i had never seen it before‚‚‚‚‚‚ #not even going to give examples for Danny Phantom that shit's on a whole new level #i rewarched danny phantom and i still cant distinguish fanon from canon #text post #Aicha Rambles #Aicha Posts

[nomaishuttle]

perhaps a lot of my b*tw issues are actually due to my own expectations for the game and by extension my dislike for botw fans

#b*tw fans will sct like its the sinoge best zelda hame and like its leagues above and its like #its fine to like it its fine to not like the other zelda games (through gritted teeth) #it is a totally different genre. to me. yk. it feels like a new game which is fine thats what they were going for i surpose #its a huge rebrand for the series n i cn appreciate the aspects of it if i dont try to force it into my personal mold of what A zelda game #is. #also this doesnt include the orientalism with the gerudo. that shits fucked up no matter what #ir is NOT a botw specific issue #but yk. b*tw ws a very. disappointing game 4 me #bc i love older zelda games n botws whole thing is that it. breaks the format entirely andis different from every other game #which is fineee its allowed to do that and im allowed to not like it and other ppl r allowed to like it.. i just have trouble #and also it annoys me that a lot of botw fans r like. Just botw fans. and not loz in general fans.. But still use the loz tags #not that like. idk i dont wanna sound gatekeepy obv th main loz tag is like. botw is a zelda game (even if imo thats in name alone) #but ppl will cross tag botw specific posrs with every other zelda game like. it annoys me #and also i think the fanon portrayl of botw is so fucking annoying i want all of you to jus to bee hornets #and i blame fucking l*nked *niverse that racist fucking cunt. GDDDD #whatever though #its like. its very well done. it can be pretty (personally the art style doesnt appeal to me a ton) the music is very original while also #being a good callback to former games. the sound design is Actually phenomenol #it just isnt for me i think. n yk. it sucks bc like #idk. there will be zelda games after totk #and i hope theyll be. different. and a return to formula #idk... #i do also appreciate like. as much as i say that botw doesnt feel like a zelda game to me #zelda is deeply personal to me.. n i recognize that it Is a zelda game #and i like all of the small references to other games.. i appreciate that #i cn tell the team rly love the world of zelda n im glad for that.. just personally i love the like mechanics and gameplay of former zelda #games. yk.... thats all #n ik. i literally am just going I want more tp. but i do wish we could have more like that...sigh #its ok. i will just rewrite oot in my brain #and botw too i accidentally said oot. i do need tl rewrite oot though bc .. um anyways

[starlit-mansion]

i actually am living for the shot in the arm the movie is going to give william fanart

#i don't... hate fanon william #there is utility in sticking to certain design perimeters that make him a recognizable character #but like... literally any actual human person is more interesting than a generic design like in the graphic novels #there's something to latch onto and stylize #like just seeing a different hair color other than salt and pepper black or dark brown is nice #the aviator shades being canon is nice! a shirt that isn't purple or goldenrod yellow is nice! #facial hair! nice! #it reminds me of a post i saw recently that was talking about the homogenization of fanon designs into a lowest common denomenator #that's not really what anyone 100% wants but they feel pressure to either conform to or react against this thing that isn't canon #and this is just a series that has soooo much calcified fanon #it's just really nice to get completely new visuals! i'm excited!

[dykeredhood]

TFA had so much potential for all the new characters even though it was technically A Newer Hope

#scruffy desert dyke??? #space prince (yes that part is fanon) but Finn has such a big heart and sense of righteousness that he could lead a stormtrooper rebellion #and Poe Dameron General Organa’s most daring pilot… canonically a New Republic Navy brat #YELLING #TFA #personal