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Jumping off from my previous question/suggestion, might I please ask if there are any superheroes you think would make fine Pulp Villains and any Supervillains you think would make convincing Pulp Heroes?

I'm gonna go ahead and remark that I'd personally suggest to anyone who's trying to create pulp characters inspired by superheroes (which would be probably about 90% of you who may want to do that sort of thing) to flip the script around a little. As in, don't try to create pulp analogues to the Justice League/Avengers upfront, but play around with some of the lesser-known icons and filter those through your idea of what “pulp” means (which is gonna be quite different than my own or anyone else’s).

I’m not gonna really mention characters I’ve already talked about before like Vandal Savage or Namor, instead I’ll pick new ones and see what can be highlighted about them.

Regarding “Superheroes who could make fine/convincing Pulp Villains”, even though he’s a character I've read basically nothing on, Martian Manhunter definitely leaped out to me as an obvious option. He’s a Sci-Fi Superman who takes the first half of the name to an extreme that borders on comical, except he’s not a square-jawed white man, he’s a 1.000 year old green alien from Mars with shapeshifting powers who can look as monstrous as the artist desires. He’s the product of an advanced civilization and genetic modification, and on top of the Flying Brick powerset and shapeshifting, he also has incredibly powerful and extensive telepathic abilities, he can become invisible, phaze through matter, use telekinesis and other weird abilities. A lot of pulp stories closer to sci-fi were based around the idea of taking one of these abilities and extrapolating horrific consequences for them, and J’onn has those by the dozens. He also has an extremely mundane weakness that would allow him to be beaten by Macready with a blowtorch if that’s where the story ended.

He was also a law enforcement officer from Mars who became a police detective and it’s even right there in his name, and again, I have never read anything he’s in (I should probably pick the Orlando mini), I know he’s for all intents and purposes a generally nice man who tends to job a lot in crossovers and cartoons, but the idea of taking all those great vast and horrifying alien powers, combining all of them into a single character who also happens to be the last survivor of a doomed planet (and one who actually lived through it’s collapse), and then making that character a former cop trying to resume his work on Earth?

That is a Pulp Supervillain begging to happen, and a particularly horrifying one at that. And hey, speaking of The Thing-

Now, Plastic Man’s potential for horror has already been explored quite a bit in some of the darker DC continuities like Injustice and DCeased, and it’s quite funny seeing a lot of these turn Plastic Man into The Thing because there were quite a handful of Wold Newton pages that ran with the idea that Macready from the original story was Doc Savage, and that the secret chemicals that Eel O’Brian was hit by that gave him his powers were actually samples of The Thing contained in one of Savage’s labs. Regardless, the idea of a former street crook suddenly gaining bizarre shapeshifting abilities that allow him to reign terror on his gangster associates could make for a great premise as a pulp crime story that veers into horror as the gangsters gradually figure out what is Eel O’Brian’s deal, and then the story can take a more tragic turn.

The thing about Jack Cole’s Plastic Man that modern takes on the character neglect is that, while Plas was a lively roguish anti-hero (arguably the first of it’s kind in comics), he’s still for intents and purposes “the straight man” (HA, right, Plastic Man being “straight”). He’s the relatively sane hero who plays off Woozy’s wackier misadventures and the imaginative madness that Jack Cole paints his adventures with, and it makes for an interesting contrast considering Plastic Man is already a weird character, having to ramp up the strangeness of the world around him so that he still remains the sane man. There are ways to twist this into something quite horrifying, even tragic for Plastic Man as he either struggles to maintain coherency, or embraces the shifting chaos the world’s spiraling into for better or worse (and definitely for the worse towards those on the receiving end of his vengeance, or even his humor).

Now, onto the flipside, regarding Supervillains that could become Pulp Heroes -

Normally I’d not mention the Batman villains here, because I already have a lot to talk about in regards to them as is, they comprise some of my favorite comic characters, but I pretty much have to make an exception for Two-Face in this topic, as not only a pretty obvious option but one with even case studies to prove it, as not only do we have The Black Bat, a 1930s costumed pulp hero with an identical origin story and several other conceptual overlaps with Batman, as well as The Whisperer, a young hotshot police commissioner who dresses up as a disfigured vigilante to kill criminals without consequence (and who’s somehow less of a maniacal asshole in his secret identity than in his regular one), but it turns out that there actually was a 1910s pulp hero called The Two-Faced Man:

Crewe was created by “Varick Vanardy,” the pseudonym of Frederic van Rensselaer Dey (Nick Carter, Doctor Quartz), and appeared in three short stories and two novels and short story collections from 1914 to 1919, beginning with “That Man Crew” (The Cavalier, Jan. 24, 1914).

Crewe is “The Two-Faced Man.”

He is in his forties and has gray hair and a “sharply cut and handsome profile—until one caught a view of the other side of his face and saw the almost hideous blemish that nearly covered it, and which graduated in corrugated irregularity from a delicate pink to repulsive purple.”

Crewe is two-faced in another way. Crewe is a saloon owner in below Washington Square. But he has another identity: Birge Moreau, portraitist and socialite hanger-on. Crewe uses both his identities to solve crimes as an amateur detective.

The only person to know about both of Crewe’s identities is a police inspector who is also Crewe’s friend and who Crewe helps in pressing cases - The Encyclopedia of Pulp Heores by Jess Nevins

And speaking of obvious picks for Supervillains turned Pulp Heroes,

Assuming I even need to make a case for Kraven the Hunter other than just presenting this cropped panel from Squirrel Girl and in particular the art painted on the Kra-Van, or even just telling you to read Squirrel Girl and it’s take on “The Unhuntable Sergei” (I had no idea most of the people saying “Kraven’s arc in Squirrel Girl is as good if not better than Kraven’s Last Hunt” weren’t actually joking in the slightest and I speak as someone who has Kraven among their absolute favorite Marvel characters, it had no right being that good), I’m going to quote the brilliant Rogue’s Review from The Mindless Ones that lays down in painstaking detail why Kraven could make a killer protagonist in that horrifically over-the-top pulp fashion

One thing that strikes me writing this, is how well Kraven could hold his own comic. There’s always room for a book spotlighting a ruthless, hardcore, gentleman bastard, and Kraven’s raison d’etre makes him supremely versatile, so well suited to any genre, any environment. It’s odd that more writers haven’t jumped on the fact that in a universe where off-world travel is possible – indeed, common – a hunter like Kraven would have a field day.

I can just imagine the opening scene – herds of weird cthuloid bat creatures grazing in the gloomy green nitrogen fields, bathed in lethal, bone splintering fog, when, suddenly, LIGHT! from above and an unholy bellowing: “CTHGRGN fthgrgnARAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHGN!”

They look up in fear and then they start to run – ploughing into and over each other, tentacles flailing, as from the space-ship’s docking bay Kraven silently plummets, barely dressed for the cold, a glowing knife smothered in elder signs jammed between his teeth.

You should have seen him one night previous, sipping alien tokay around the Captain’s table with the other guests, discussing the morning’s hunt; and the way he insulted the Skrull dignitary by forgetting himself and accidentally sporting his favourite piece of formal wear: his boiling unstable dinner-jacket of many colours, fashioned from the hide of one of the Ambassador’s super kinsmen.

Whoops!

Midway through Kraven explaining how the best way to irreparably damage a symbiote is to wait until its bonded with you and then seriously maim yourself, the Skrull decided it might be a good idea to simmer down, while his beautiful Inhuman lover hung on every word.

The deeper I get into this the more convinced I am that the MU’s hunter-killer extraordinaire wouldn’t limit himself to bloody planet Earth. And neither would he limit himself to this dimension, or universe or timeline. The guy’d be just as at home leaping, sword raised, onto the back of a T-Rex in the Savage Land, as he would be ploughing through werewolves in the graveyards of Arkham or tracking a howling Demon across Mephistopheles’ realm.

He’d work perfectly in all these environments because he has a damn good reason to be casting a bloody swathe through them: wherever there’s big game, you’ll find Kraven.

The next choice I guess is an oddball, but not that much of an oddball if you know already what is my main frame of reference towards Marvel

I don’t think people appreciate enough that the main reason Shuma-Gorath has anything resembling a fanbase has nothing whatsoever to do with the comics he was in, but entirely because, when Capcom designers had a list of Marvel characters to pick from to work on Marvel Super Heroes, they took a look at the diet Cthulhu and went “gimme THAT one”, and then went all-in in giving the alien squid monster a funky personality along with a great stage and music and animations and all that great fighting game character stuff, and now he’s maybe the most popular Dr Strange villain along with Dormammu and Mordo, despite having ZERO film appearences or major showings in comic sagas.

Capcom's designers redefined Shuma-Gorath from a nebulous cosmic evil into a comically smug cartoon bastard who can rant about devouring all dimensions and souls horrifically while also cracking poses and zingers like “How do you expect to win a fight with only two arms?” and having dinners with Dhalsim or hosting Japanese game shows in his endings, and it kills me that none of this ever made it’s way into any depictions of the character outside of MvC.

So that’s kinda what I’d go with. I’d take Capcom’s Shuma-Gorath, depower him a bit obviously from his canonical power, and run with the premise of his MvC3 ending where he decides that, well, if he's the unlikely savior of this pathetic planet and these wretched human dogs like him so much, and he’s clearly having a much better time here among them than he ever had drifting among the stars cealessly consuming life, then maybe he can take a break from all that eldritch business and keep up hosting the Super Monster Awesome Hour and maybe fight whatever PITIFUL villains think can take HIS planet. I mean, he’ll probably still end up destroying the planet by the end, but why not give this hero business a try?

Just until he gets his full powers back of course.

I mean you can’t deny he DOES look pretty good in that bowtie, surely The Great Shuma-Gorath wouldn’t be so unmerciful as to deny these vile wastes of flesh something good to look at in their brief and miserable lives.

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sniperct · 7 years

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Okay you seem to like good shows. I'm new to this whole superhero thing but I'm reaching the point where I can't just watch Young Justice over again for a third time. Do you have any recommendations?

I really need to start that one, it’s in my queue lol.

Cartoons!

Teen Titans. The one that came out before Young Justice. High quality writing and fantastic character development and will always be one of my favorites.

I love love love the 90s Batman and Superman cartoons, and the Justice League/Justice League Unlimited that spawned out of them.

Batman Beyond and Static Shock are also part of that universe and are also amazing.

the Green Lantern Animated Series turned out to be really good.

Vixen has a webseries and I hear good things about DC Super Heor Girls

Marvel’s cartoons aren’t generally as good as the older DC stuff, but 90s X-men, X-men Evolution and Wolverine and the X-men were all stellar. Avoid the X-men Anime like the plague.

Some of the 90s/00s Spider-man stuff was pretty decent. I’m not up on the more recent stuff and I don’t remember the other marvel cartoons from that time period but I know they existed.

Avengers: Earth Mightiest Heroes was pretty good and it had the same creative team as Wolverine and the X-men. It’s on my perpetual ‘finish watching’ list atm, but I was really enjoying it before I got distracted by stuff.

There are some newer Avengers stuff but I’m not familiar with them so I can’t say if they’re any good.

Live Action TV

Classic Wonder Woman is always worth a shot.

Arrow appears to be a YMMV show, but I’ve heard good things about The Flash and I absolutely love Supergirl. I’ve only seen the 1st episode of Legends of Tomorrow and I couldn’t get into it.

Agent Carter season 1The Netflix Marvels are all pretty good as well.

There's a really old show called MANTIS that was pretty good. I'd classify Xena as a superhero show as well. I liked Alphas on Syfy but it only lasted 2 seasons.

A lot of people liked Heroes too.

Movies!

Honestly with the exception of Dr. Strange and Avengers: Age of Ultron, there isn’t an MCU movie I don’t like.

I liked Batman v Superman, the Dark Knight trilogy, the older 80s/90s batman movies (the first three anyway). Superman, Superman 2, Superman Returns, Man of Steel.

I’m a lot picker with X-men films. I liked the first two, three and Origins we can pretend never happened, I loathe first class, love The Wolverine, only liked days of future past for the future scenes with Blink (and Quicksilver in the past), and never bothered to see Apocalypse. I’m tentatively hopeful about the upcoming New Mutants and Logan.

#i know I'm missing some things #but this is mostly off the top of my head with a few google searches #to confirm my memory #Anonymous

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karmadash-is-fandomtrash · 7 years

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mrandmrsfit · 7 years

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The Best Superpower: What Would You Choose?

The question that has been a hot button topic amongst comic book fans – and even those who are not – has famously been, “What is the best superpower to have?”. Our Joseph Gioeli breaks this question down with superhuman skill.

The Best Superpower: What Would You Choose?

What is the best superpower?

Many of us have been asked this question, and may have even asked ourselves; typically, this starts quite the debate. Some may believe the best power to have is flight, while others may think it is invisibility, and there are always some outside-of-the-box thinkers that say something like elasticity.

These debates are entertaining and fun, but many discussions leave out a very human trait that some of the most popular and greatest superheroes all share.

Intelligence.

Some may say, “Well, being smart isn’t a superpower!” and on some level, they’re right; technically, it's not a superpower. But having the level of intelligence that some of these heroes have may border on superhuman ability.

While most heroes’ IQ levels are not unanimously agreed upon, it is somewhat well-known that some of the most intelligent of them are Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic), Bruce Wayne (Batman), Tony Stark (Iron Man) and Bruce Banner (Hulk). All four of these characters are reported to have IQ levels “well above” genius level (140).

Dr. Reed Richards possesses a mastery of electrical, mechanical and aerospace engineering, electronics, chemistry, all levels of physics, and human and alien biology. He has also made breakthroughs in space travel, time travel, extra-dimensional travel, biochemistry, robotics, computers, synthetic polymers, communications, mutations, transportation, holography, energy generation, and spectral analysis amongst other fields.

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Not only has Reed mastered virtually every science on Earth, he has also shown himself to be more knowledgeable than even some of the most highly advanced alien civilizations in the known universe as well.

Dr. Bruce Banner is a super-genius in nuclear physics, possessing a mind so brilliant that it cannot be measured by any known intelligence test.

He is regarded by Tony Stark as the greatest nuclear scientist on Earth.

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Some lesser known heores include Clark Kent/Kal-El (Superman), Hank Pym (Ant-Man), T’Challa (Black Panther), Henry McCoy (Beast), Michael Holt (Mister Terrific), Dr. Stephen Strange (Dr. Strange) and Peter Parker (Spider-Man).

While this list is impressive in terms of just superpowers – elasticity, super strength, flight, etc. – the massive amount of intelligence across a plethora of different subjects is astounding.

Although, two of these heroes are unique from the rest.

Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne.

For the simple fact that intelligence is basically their superpower. Yes, Bruce Wayne does have combat training from the League of Assassins, but other than that (and his wealth according to the recent Justice League trailer), intelligence is his superpower.

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Very similarly, Tony Stark’s only powers are his wealth and intelligence. Stark did not have the physical training that Bruce Wayne underwent, although with an intelligence level considered “super-genius”, he is easily one of the smartest people on Earth.

Steve Rogers: “Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you?”

Tony Stark: “Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.”

This retort to Cap’s question in Avengers (2012) proves this point. If you strip Stark of his extremely high-tech suit that many believe makes him a superhero, he is still one of the wealthiest, most popular, and most intelligent people in the entire world; the suit of armour is basically an added bonus.

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Tony Stark is not Iron Man – Iron Man is one of Stark’s many creations.

Arguments will be made for years to come about which superpower is the best to have, but many will unknowingly ignore the most common one of all.

Do you agree? What do you think the best superpower is? Let us know in the comments below!

Joseph Gioeli is an Expert ComiConverse Contributor. Follow him on Twitter: @joegioeli

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