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stars-all-around · 5 days

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HEAD OVWR TO MCNAMERAS

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@john-macnamara

★What the fuck have you been doing? Is it the 'worst dude ever' thing? Please tell me it isn't.★

#hatchetfield rp #Orange Star Watcher #General John McNamera #Sin of Pride

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jade278 · 3 months

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lets step into the black and white together

Original: https://www.tumblr.com/kalo-pop/740541736151040000/i-give-you-more-of-whatever-these-things-are-they?source=share @kalo-pop

#jade278 #hatchetfield universe #hatchetverse #hatchetfield #hatchetblr #general john mcnamera of the united states military special unit piep we call it peep #general john macnamara #black friday starkid #black friday #the black and white #team starkid #starkid

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enevera · 1 year

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worst things ever include trying to fall asleep only to randomly remember the scene from the magicians where quentin asks if he could please have elliot back 👍 i am going to kill myself ✨

#this isnt even abt anything im just talking rn #that scene drives me so Insane y’all don’t understand #as always DO NOT watch this show #suicide mention #season 4 was so so good and then sooooooooookokoko #BAD #sera gamble john mcnamera it will be on sight

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zedzerdz · 1 year

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John F. Kennedy: For time and the world do not stand still. Change is the law of life. And those who only look into the past or the present are certain to miss the future. The screen transitions to showing Kennedy in black and white, sitting at a table with Fidel Castro. John F. Kennedy: I said, 'are certain to miss the future'! Fidel Castro: [laughs] Coño... I missed that. Robert McNamara walks into the room towards Castro. Robert McNamara: Prime Minister Castro, this missile crisis was the last straw. We almost blew ourselves up. Now we invited you here today... John F. Kennedy: In good faith! Robert McNamara: ... in good faith, to sort this thing out. Robert walks back towards John F. Kennedy. Fidel Castro: (pointing at Nixon) And why is he here? He lost! Nixon is shown sitting left of them at the table, annoyed at Castro's remark. John F. Kennedy: As I always say, forgive your enemies, but remember their names. Now gentlemen, as I like to think, in the long history of the world, that there are only a few generations... Richard Nixon: (looking frantic and ducking) Sounds like someone breaking in... John F. Kennedy: Just the storm, Dick. Sit down. Richard Nixon: Oh my God! Robert McNamara: It appears the Pentagon has been breached. John F. Kennedy: Zombies. Gentlemen, at times like these our capacity to retaliate must be and has to be massive, to deter all forms of aggression. John F. Kennedy: Gentlemen, lock and load! Fidel Castro: Viva la Revolution. Screen then shows the four of them coming out of the armory. (Left to right) McNamara with a Stakeout with Grip, Kennedy with a China Lake, Castro with a Bowie Knife and a Python and Nixon with two HS-10s. Robert McNamera: Any last words, Mr. President? Richard Nixon: Yes Jack, any superlative words of inspiration for our humble troops? John F. Kennedy: Do not pray for easy lives, my friends. Pray to be stronger men.

#badass

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postguiltypleasures · 3 years

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The Magicians Finale - (over a year later)

I didn’t watch the first season of The Magicians as it aired in late 2015- 2016. I was already watching the roughly estimated maximum amount of television I could watch. I didn’t have the time to make for a new show. It debuted at the same time as The Expanse, and that looks like the “better” show. But I would soon realize that I liked The Magicians more.

While I was watching the first season, I attempted to go back and look at the writing from while it aired. This experience profoundly influenced how I felt about the controversial ending to the fourth season, and the fall out in the fandom.

The fourth season ended after Quentin Coldwater, ostensibly the show’s central character, dying while saving the world. In his orientation to the afterlife there is discussion about was this actually heroic or was it a manifestation of his depression and suicidal identification. The show doesn’t answer this directly, it just has Quentin experience how his friends are mourning him and feel how loved it was. People felt really betrayed by this. It was considered deeply irresponsible. I have already written about it here. In the aftermath, part of me thought back to those recaps and reviews of the first season and wondered “how did we get to place where we could feel so betrayed?” Because reviews from the then seemed certain that it was more problematic than it was. Take for example this recap from Vulture season one, where the writer, Hillary Kelly, wonders who this show is actually for? Or this AV Club recap of the first season finale where the writer Lisa Weidenfeld erroneously thinks that The Beast and Julia, both rape victims, are being set up to be the show’s main villains? And that Eliot’s forced marriage to Fen was potentially a straight washing.

The fact that the worries Weidenfeld put into writing didn’t pan out is probably part of the reason that the show’s reputation improved. It would also have characters within the show call out others’s sexism, racism, etc. which could feel like something of a corrective to a lot of pop culture out there. You might also have noticed that in Weidenfeld’s recap she makes a comparison between Julia and Willow-gets-addicted-to-magic-plot season six of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Ads for the first season even looked like they wanted viewers to draw that comparison.

I remember from around the second season coming across a several articles declaring The Magicians a worthy successor to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Emily VanDerWerff discussed it in her review of the second season. As one point she makes the statement that “The Magicians isn’t as politically subversive as Buffy”, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say that might be less true than she assumed at the time. In an era of backlash against Buffy’s creator Joss Whedon, The Magicians could be comparatively more empathetic to its characters and had some pretty subversive plot points. But I haven’t watched an episode of Buffy since the early aughts, or The Magicians since it wrapped.

(VanDerWerff’s writing heavily influenced my own thoughts about thee show, which I previously wrote about here. I am also including links to her old podcast, I Think You’re Interesting and the interviews she did with novelist Lev Grossman and show runner Sera Gamble, though I should note those are from before she transitioned and under her dead name. Also I wanted to include that she included it in her best television of the 2010s article.)

In the articles I just linked to, you might also notice frequent comparisons to Game of Thrones. While the comparisons focus on the the vast difference in budget and how ubiquitous GoT was at the same time The Magicians aired, it is worth noting that both series are postmodern, deconstruction takes on their respective sub-genres. While GoT could use that to point out why surprising and awful things happened to their characters, The Magicians mostly had fewer horrible things happen to its characters. But the comparison might have influenced how post Quentin’s death people made a litany of those events/plot points to prove that any faith in the show was misplaced and it was a betrayer better left behind.

The after the fourth season I pulled back from discussing The Magicians online. I just couldn’t deal with other people’s anger. I was never really active in the fandom, but I did write about it here more than probably any other series since I started this blog. This may have given me a false impression about how the media ended up covering the show. While writing this I was planning an arc that would go something like, “at the start of the fourth season the media loved it and articles this one by Kathryn Van Arendonk at Vulture came out saying that they regretted stopping the show part way through season one. But the fan backlash to the finale was so harsh that even the show’s frequent champion, Emily VanDerWerff didn’t write about it at all for the fifth season.” She did write a positive review at the start of the fifth season. I even read it at the time. She didn’t write about the finale, and that disappointed me, which may have led me to mis-remember the earlier. (I did remember this round table discussion about the ascendency of fandom in which she discusses the show’s situation, and it might have also contributed to my misremembering.)

The AVClub had Weidenfeld write a review of the first episodes, but she no longer recapped the episodes as she had for the first four seasons. (Her review is generally about what is missing from the Quentin-less series) While preparing to write this I found out that Decider’s Anna Menta recapped through the third episode, despite being amongst those who felt betrayed by Quentin’s death and the lack of opportunity for Quentin and Eliot to explore their romance.

(I just want to take a moment to say a couple of things here. Firstly, I really believed the show runners when they said Quentin was dead and not coming back so I didn’t see the first couple of episodes as a tease that he might come back. When my grandfather who I was very close to died I would regularly have dreams that his death was incorrectly called and he’d come back. I saw those episodes as a version of that.)

This has been show I’ve written about the most in recent years. But as I was mostly ignoring both professional and fan writing about it for its final season, I only really got around to reading these now. I’m going to start with this post-finale interview with the producers, Sera Gamble, Henry Alonso Myers John McNamara, written by Vlada Gelman at TVLine. It isn’t really a lot of new information. It’s interesting to read about how being renewed or not affected their editing decisions in post production. They seem happy with it. At Entertainment Weekly, Chancellor Agard interviewed Gamble and McNamara. There is more talk about the connection between the final season of the tv show and the finale book of the trilogy, The Magicians Land. (As a viewer I was always pleased when they somehow brought in details from the books late in the season, whether it was big things for the arc like the World Seed page or details that only mattered for an episode like whales being magicians.) In the interview, they also talk about some of the wildest plot points. Gamble and McNamara also gave and interview to Adam Chitwood at Collider. Chitwood is the most enthusiastic about the show. The interview also confirms for those who want to know that Jason Ralph asked to be let go from the show, and that Julia’s pregnancy probably wouldn’t have happened if her actress Stella Maeve hadn’t gotten pregnant. Finally, in an I can’t believe I missed it example, at the New York Times, Jennifer Vineyard also interviewed Gamble and McNamera. This one starts pretty politically with how trying to save the citizens of Fillory unintentionally works as a metaphor for quarantine and how we don’t get through difficult periods of times because of individuals, instead it’s more of a collective. Then it somehow turns into a a thing about being in a mutual admiration society with William Shatner. I truly didn’t see this one coming.

So now I have to get to the actual reviews of the finale, with the caveat that I haven’t watched any of the series in over a year so it’s definitely not fresh in my mind. Over at The AVClub, re-capper Weidfeld is mostly mournful for the series, but also makes the point that when the characters grew up and stopped being so hurtful towards each other and themselves, it was less compelling. It kind of ties back to my “how did people think this was a show that wouldn’t hurt them” question from earlier, but with less interest in fans. I don’t remember if my feelings as it went on would have agreed with it, but it is partially why it was in good place to end the series. At io9, Beth Elderkin seemed to think the finale was rushed and the show deserved better. I don’t remember if I felt like the episode was rushed. But as I read through her recap, I realize that I’ve also forgotten a lot of the episode’s plot points. Over at The Mary Sue, Jessica Mason wrote a positive review highlighting aspects that pleased her as a fan who wanted good things for these characters.

Shortly after the finale Sarah Stankorb at The Atlantic recommend the series to COVID bound bingers. I was shocked to see this. I didn’t think anyone would be recommending it post season for backlash. (Earlier on an episode of Our Opinions Are Correct the hosts walked back what could have been a recommendation for the series, which disappointed me. I don’t remember which episode this was.) It’s a lovely overview of the whole series. I especially like how Stackorb addresses the way the show dealt with Julia’s assault (greatly improving on the source material). It made me wonder if the show will have a legacy, one worthy of celebration. I don’t hope for a revival, but if I had time to re-watch it, I might. And I am happy to read comicbooks building on the source material.

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bisexual-cowboye · 4 years

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I was looking up the lyrics of Made In America and this is what came up when General McNamera said “begone” to Wiggly

#starkid #black friday #team starkid #john mcnamera #wiggly

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nodick-energy · 4 years

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Anyway every single character shares two brain cells which are in the possession of Tim Houston and John McNamara respectively

#black friday #black friday spoilers #black friday musical #john mcnamera #tim houston

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gone-to-oregone · 3 years

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Wait guys, this probably means literally nothing, but I was listening to What Do You Say again, and,,,

I realized none of the couples in Hatchetfield last. One of them always dies.

Paul and Emma in Guy. Paul got infected, and Emma died in the end.

Lex and Ethan. Kicked in the head.

Tom and Becky in BF. Broken up in high school first, then the meteor. The same with Emma and Paul.

Tom and Becky in Jane’s a Car. Becky definitely died.

Jane and Tom before BF. Jane died.

Paul and Emma in F&A. Paul killed the real Emma.

Charlotte and Sam. Ended with Join Us and Die.

Ted and Jenny. Jenny got disintegrated.

McNamera and Wilbur. John lost Wilbur to the black and white.

Lucy and Brisby, then Ted. Killed by Hidgens.

Deb and Alice. They both got infected.

It’s not supposed to last.

#starkid

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socialjusticeinamerica · 3 years

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theguywhodidntlikestimboards · 3 years

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hii!! requesting a john mcnamera x president howard goodman stimboard!! i ship them but platonic is also good if u dont feel comfy with that!

no that’s completely fine! but i’ll tag it as not a ship too just incase :)

🖤Pres. Howard Goodman and Gen. John Macnamara🖤

🤍-✨-🖤

🖤-✨-🤍

🤍-✨-🖤

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gaycheeseandcrackers · 4 years

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POV John Mcnamera is pointing at the depressed, musical obsessed gay

#black friday #black friday musical #starkid #tgwdlm #broadway #broadway memes #john mcnamara #jeff blim #musicals #musical theatre

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the-sociest-soc · 4 years

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I'm having a moment - bf theory

Weird take but what if the tgwdlm and bf universes are the failed results of someone trying to stop something happening. Someone like, idk, a high ranking government agent?

The only character that's consistently had a large plot role in the story is General John Mcnamera, and in both instances he's been on the front line of stopping a threat. Except for when he died in tgwdlm.

But when he died, how can we be sure all of him was dead? Maybe part of everyone's soul lives on, even when overtaken by alien shit. Maybe he has the same power that Lex and Hannah have, and similar to when Lex conjured up the gun he had enough belief that he could bend the laws of reality that he actually did.

So he tried to prevent it.

And when he did he found the entity responsible for what happened and monitored it to make sure nothing went wrong, and because it didn't send a metor down to the starlight theatre he assumed he's solved the universe. But he hadn't.

Cut the long story short, every installment of the hatchetfield series so far have been the result of one man trying to solve a very big problem.

Oh and dont even get me started on wighly's weird eldritch nightmare ass--

#i had a big brain moment #or a brain vomit if you will #no idea where this theory came from but heres my take #black friday theory #black Friday #starkid black friday #general john mcnamara #tickle me wiggly #starkid #jeff blim #jon matteson

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