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chernobog13 · 3 months
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Darkseid and sons by Walt Simonson.
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kekwcomics · 1 year
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JACK'S GOLDEN AGE "GRABBERS"
Can't remember which comic this back-up intro is from -- one of the Fourth World 52 page giants when Marvel and DC briefly up-sized -- gonna have to check my Fourth World comics to find it...
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craigfernandez · 1 year
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vertigoartgore · 2 months
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The worshipers of Darkseid by Chris Bachalo.
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cantsayidont · 3 months
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December 1988. Overall, the Jim Starlin/Mike Mignola COSMIC ODYSSEY miniseries is pretty awful — it has cool art, but, like most of Starlin's DC work during this period, it's gratuitously brutal and ugly, and both Starlin's offensive treatment of the Kirby Fourth World mythos and the senseless character assassination of John Stewart did lasting damage — but it does have its moments.
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cupcakegalaxia · 10 months
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Yall would not believe how much of Yetenek took Wingfeather saga as a massive inspiration and just ran with it.
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krafty1 · 8 months
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"Super War!"
Image Credit: DC Comics The Forever People #2 Cover Artist: Jack Kirby Publisher: DC Comics Publication Date: May 1971 In recognition of the Kings’ birthday this week. If you haven’t read Kirby’s Fourth World Saga, what are you waiting for? The 57-issue run spans from the pages of Superman’s Pal, Jimmy Olsen, The Forever People, New Gods, and Mister Miracle and culminates in the Hunger Dog’s…
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george228732 · 3 months
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The most important number in Kirby, Number Four
I've seen a pattern in the Kirby Series that not many have talked about, or at least not that I'm aware of, being a consistent number in the saga, Number 4.
From the easiest to hardest things to spot this number we have:
How you can only use four players in games like Return to Dreamland and Star Allies.
The Four Heroes of Yore and Heart Spears.
Kirby's most famous friend group, Kirby, Bandee, Dedede and Meta Knight, being Four People.
Amazing Mirror's Four Kirbys
Kirby's main knights (Meta, Dameta, Galacta and Morpho, although this may be a coincidence.)
Elfilin's Kidnapping on the Fourth World
Star Allies' Four Worlds.
Void Terminas' Four Phases in Star Allies.
Four main groups in Star Allies for each DLC.
Four main members of the Jambastion Cult
The Four Matters of Void (Heart, Soul, Darkness and Dreams)
The odd use of fourths on some final boss battles (Sectonia's Four Eye flowers in her final phases, Star Dream's four legs on the Access Arc Phase, etc
Kirby's majority of the OST being in 4/4
Four voices voicing Void Termina
Etc
Now, what Number Four means, varies on what source you ask.
In numberology, It means, Support and Stability, rooting to care about yourself and your life.
In Tarot, it means Kingship, Power and Authority.
But the one most should be familiar with, is the common one which states that Number Four is a number that represents Death and bad luck.
What do you think? Does it make sense? Am I reaching too deep? Found other sightings on the number four in the Kirby series I missed?
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charlesoberonn · 3 months
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You got any book recs? :)
I do!
The Ash and Sand trilogy by Richard Nell is a great and interesting dark fantasy series.
For fans of Sherlock Holmes and detective fiction in general I recommend some of James Lovegrove's Holmes books. Particularly The Stuff of Nightmares and The Thinking Engine.
Yahtzee Croshaw's (yes, that Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation) DEDA Files books are also great. Mystery/fantasy/comedy series about the world finding out about the existence of extradimensional deities and their effect on our world.
One of my favorite books of all time is a pretty old one, Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Edwin Abbott. It's about a 2-dimensional world of geometric shapes and it's got some of the best worldbuilding in any work of fiction.
The Conqueror's Saga by Kiersten White is a pretty unique romance/historical/family drama series about a female version of Vlad the Impaler.
The Bobiverse Trilogy by Dennis E. Taylor is also very fun (didn't like the fourth book tho). His Quantum Earth series is also good.
The Last Dance by Martin Shoemaker is a very engaging mystery/character exploration book about the captain of an Earth-Mars cycler ship (a ship that goes back and forth between the two planets).
The Chrysathamere Trilogy is a fantasy/military series about a pair of twins who go from being the children of a prostitute in a brothel to the top of an empire's political system.
The Wells of Sorcery series by Django Wexler is a fun series that reminds me a lot of Avatar in a good way, albeit much darker.
The Long Earth is a unique series about humanity discovering the existence of an infinite series of parallel universes and how they explore and settle these parallel Earths.
I also have a lot of non-fiction recommendations.
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bunny-heels · 6 months
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AW2 Spoilers. About Warlin Door and what he means in the story.
gonna start this off by saying; i fully think Door is Saga's dad. and the game gives lots of implications and context for it.
Tim Breaker told Alan he'd been having dreams about Door for years, and even drew a picture of what he looked like. When asked by Alan about being related to Sarah and Deerfest still being a thing, he mentions that she helped him find a case about a man going missing in the 80s who apparently got struck by lightning at Cauldron Lake, who looked just like the sketch that he made of Door.
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When Saga goes to see Odin, there's a paper that talks about the times he's lost his eyes. It mentions that he had it taken out 3 times. It says that the third and last time he had it was in 1988, and that "he who stands on the threshold took it from me".
There's a manuscript that gives the exact details on that very event. Odin and Tor were apparently "facing something even more powerful, something harder to define even." The person they were facing was described as "the dark one who yearned to stand in between, who has always stood in between, who would soon stand in between". It details that the brothers made a deal with this "dark one" to help him, in exchange for him leaving the family alone. The "dark one" makes sure they remember the deal by taking Odin's eye as collateral, and then he leaves in a flash of lightning Odin has been without his eye ever since.
Saga mentions that she never got to know her father, that he died before she could ever remember him, and her mother, Freya, didn't tell her anything. Odin tells her that her mother did the right thing by leaving and taking Saga with her.
Saga asks Tor about him being her grandfather and why they were distant. He apparently wasn't a good father to Freya, which he admits he was wrong to treat her like that. But also mentions that Saga's father was also causing problems for the family.
When Saga asks Tor about her dad, Tor says that "Some doors are better left closed." He explains that her dad was a "complicated bastard" and "always thinking too many steps ahead". He says "there was trouble, and then he was gone.", then says he "didn't handle it well". And that event is what caused Freya to finally separate from the family all together.
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When Alan meets up with Door for the fourth and last time, Door seems upset with him, being genuinely irritated by what he's doing. Alan's confused and doesn't understand why he's suddenly like this. Door says that Alan is lucky to have so many people fighting for him, mentioning his wife. Alan states that he needs to get to Alice because she's in danger. To which Door says;
"She is, because of you. And so is someone important to me, someone you pulled into this. You keep opening doors, peeking in. Reaching through to get what you want, and that puts you in my path."
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When Saga goes into the dark place and finds Tim, he gives her a page that describes how Door travels through it. She profiles Door, trying to figure out who he is. He ends up just saying this;
"A door that stands between two rooms is in both. A door that can lead anywhere is everywhere. That door is the center. He governs the currents of reality."
Saga is confused because of all the powers she's seen recently and doesn't "know who is playing who". She then goes; "Opening too many doors. This isn't important right now, I can look into it later."
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So not only is Saga the granddaughter of the god of lightning and the grandniece of the god of war, she's also the daughter of an entity that can seemingly travel through realities without a problem and can go to any world he chooses. So it's very possible she MIGHT have this power, and that it needs to be unlocked.
This still doesn't really explain why Door seems to have a connection to Tim, why he tried talking to Dylan and telling him about the other worlds, or why he chose to keep Alan entertained from losing his mind in the dark place. There's also nothing to give context as to why Odin and Tor truly didn't like Door, because it can't have just been that they didn't like his powers. Or maybe that was it, Door was so powerful that they knew he would end up hurting Saga, intentionally or not.
It could be that Door is the true owner of the dark place, and that Alan getting mixed up in all this was terrible luck, because it did just end up hurting his daughter, to which he shifts the blame fully to Alan for writing her into the story.
Maybe Door created the dark place originally as some sort of prison for evil entities like Scratch and Baba Yaga and all that stuff, and now it's all back firing because Alan got trapped and had to use real world events to try and escape.
Tor was not kidding when he said the family was fucked up.
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repo-net · 6 days
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EO5-Styled intros for the stratums from EO1 and EO2!
I finished playing EO5 a while back, and one of the things I really liked about the game were the short narrated sequences that played when you reached a stratum for the first time. The voice actress kills the role, and just the music slowly kicking in as she introduces just what you're about to get yourself into - aaahh, it's so good.
To help practice a bit of my description writing when it comes to locations and short tidbits of lore, I decided to try my hand at doing my own renditions of these sequences for the EO1 and 2 stratums! Hopefully they look alright, eheh.
Spoilers under the cut!
EO1
Every adventurer has a dream: whether it be for glory, for riches, for knowledge, or for purpose. Without fail, all of them flock to this mighty tree.
Regardless of the purity in their heart, the first step into these vast greenlands is filled with ambition.
That very same ambition is what has led to the end of so many. And yet for you, it may just be the start…
The legendary story born from hope blossomed here.
The first stratum, Emerald Grove
Descending down the stairs, a new layer of the labyrinth welcomes you.
Darker than the last, the tropical wilderness buzzes your ear with the sounds of trickling water, and cries of a new set of beasts.
Those who basked in their success of survival of the basics; learned far too late…
… That here, nature reigns supreme.
The second stratum, Primitive Jungle
Conquering the lord of the jungle, a mesmerizing sight shines against your eyes.
A moist scent wafting in the air, with a cobalt hue that makes one forget you’re still within a forest.
A queen of the insects lies in wait here, and below even her grasp is a mystery only a handful have seen, yet one question continues to prod.
Has that secret been forgotten by age, or has it grown into something more?
The third stratum, Azure Rainforest
Layer after layer of blooming life, comes to a harsh, arid halt upon this new arrival.
These wastelands filled with long stretches of beige and grains scraping against skin, is the very home of an ancient race.
They speak of a century-old pact, fully ready to defend their turf. To hide what’s below, and to see what’s below.
Wills even in the face of death are about to be tested here.
The fourth stratum, Sandy Barrens
Only the cursed king on his throne in the abyss remembers that golden age.
A world overwhelmed by verdure and promises of revival. A time and tragedy that only one man can tell the true story of.
Structures and mechanisms that you have never seen the likes of, with memories so distant, but so near all the same.
The mysteries that have been kept under for a millenia, it is your destiny to unravel them and see for your own - the secrets of Yggdrasil.
The fifth stratum, Lost Shinjuku
Below even the origin of creation is a place past the naked eye. 
A system of organs solely out of the blood dripping from stratas above, drenching the pulsing and veiny walls with a sickening red.
Screams and wails of agony from a creature tortured by its purpose, engulfing itself in this cavern to take its revenge on trespassers that were never meant to reach here.
For descending to the roots of this labyrinth, its very core will stop at nothing to engrave you into it.
The sixth stratum, Claret Hollows
EO2
The second saga of a legend already born, or the first for the arisal of new ones.
Whoever the author may be, this story begins all the same, with an invitation from a new land to ascend to heights yet to be reached.
These grassy woods that surround the bottom of the mighty tree…
Mark the intro for an adventure unlike any before.
The first stratum, Ancient Forest
Pushing through the daunting beginning trials, an opening paves way into a new flavor of woods.
These orange lands filled with prickly tails and segwaying paths; they provoke the explorers with a dilemma.
Will you grit your teeth through thorns for instant gratification, or will you dance with the roars of beasts seemingly undentable?
Be decisive, lest you go a route that leads to a pitiful end.
The second stratum, Auburn Thicket
Biting through fragile flesh, as soon as getting past the heat of the thicket.
Grazing against the adventurers, a stinging test from the polar opposite on the journey up north.
This icy surface, disrupting the pursuit towards the top, has spelled the end of many tales thought to be on the road of destiny.
Pass by these freezing storms, and at the peak awaits a tragedy long foretold; yet this is only one of his many, many failings.
The third stratum, Frozen Grounds
Lagaard knew not what was past those snowy acres, until they arrived; and now - they continue to soar.
Like the monsters and curious souls that reside here, these pink, rosy blossoms mark the start of heights never been reached.
Through echoes heard upward, each footstep through this cherry territory serenades the adventurers.
Keep on climbing, recite a long lost grail, and you’ll be one step closer to the heavens. But tread carefully - the war ahead may overwhelm even those chosen by fate.
The fourth stratum, Petal Bridge
The world was once overtaken by Earth itself. Those fortunate enough, built a stronghold to survive.
Centuries passed. And eventually, not even the stronghold could hold its strength. 
The one constant… was him. 
Renewing it to his liking, a phenomenal palace not even fairy tales could mold. A castle glistening with gold, proudly idling above the skies where no one could reach him. No matter how long it takes. No matter how many will be lost.
Despite all the years, he’s always kept one promise burned into his mind.
“Humanity must survive.”
The fifth stratum, Heavenly Keep
Eternity - a word no mortal could understand the true weight of. 
An eternity of mistakes. An eternity of lives lost from obsession. 
An eternity of abominations created by his hand. Yet not one was worse than his first.
Over his created heaven, was a forest so eden, so seemingly tranquil; yet nothing was more dangerous. It’s a sanctuary with just a singular purpose.
A forsaken prison, to house his darkest criminal.
The sixth stratum, Forbidden Wood
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chernobog13 · 6 months
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Big Barda by Steve Rude.
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grimdark-gnostic · 2 months
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ok so the thing with tgwdlm is that everything seems to fit into the right places right? like, it's a story about pokey, the world's first vriska kinnie to end the fucking world, doing a invasion-of-the-body-snatchers upon some random fucking town which i initially headcanoned was in oregon but like. in all 5/6 years of having this thang in our collective conscious, as well as 2 other musicals and 2 seasons of a anthology series under our belts, i have never ONCE seen ANYONE mention THIS???
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which is like, it makes absolutely no sense! not in the context of the show, not really in the context of hatchetfield as a whole! seems like a fourth wall break in a way but hatchetfield, despite being centered around the narrative [see: @/singalongpokey's numerous posts on tgwdlm] never reallly breaks it. maybe it's supposed to be foreshadowing in a way, for something later on in the saga, or maybe its just a fucking bit im overthinking, but it's still really fucking weird and we all need to talk about it more.
however, my personal theory is that the infected - by extension pokey, and maybe the other lords, are aware of the fact they are fictional, in a story. TTO, where what appears to be a proto-blinky gets introduced, we are "the watchers". maybe we're meant to be extensions of bliklotep, his eyes. and this kinda means we may be the reason they're suffering, after all, what's a show without a audience? we did pay for tgwdlm after all.
anyways im probably otherthinking a bit
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upagainstthesunset · 6 months
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Calling all escape artists, reporters, free spirits and celestials! It's time for...
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[ID: "New Gods November" event title card. The text uses the font from the original New Gods comic, and is white against a black rectangle with white and gray dots. Behind the black rectangle is old four color comic art of flowing lines and dots. /END ID]
New Gods November
Introduction
In the early 1970's, comics legend Jack Kirby came back to DC with his most ambitious project to date. It was a grand story about a new generation of gods and their battle against a terrible evil, spanning across four separate titles: Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen, Mister Miracle, Forever People and New Gods. This tetralogy would quickly become known as The Fourth World, and many of its key players known as the New Gods.
Now, over 50 years later, these stories and characters still resonate deeply with fans of all kinds. So to celebrate the Fourth World saga and all its space opera glory, we bring you New Gods November!
Details
This fan event runs from November 1st - November 28th, 2023. See below for the full schedule.
One of our goals is to make it comfortable to do as many or as few prompts as you please. The event is split into weeks, where each week has a bucket of five prompts to choose from. Participate by picking one per week, or get ambitious and pick several and do them daily! We only ask that when you post, you stick to the current or previous weeks and not jump ahead to a future week.
Another goal is to give people the freedom to create what they want. We've left the prompts fairly open to interpretation, and each week has enough variety to give a wide selection of characters to choose from. Just don't forget to mention somewhere in your post which prompt you picked!
Contributions of all kinds are welcome. From art and fics, to meta analyses and character playlists and beyond, anything is fair game since the format is entirely up to you! Just make sure to use the tag #newgodsnovember so others can find your creations. And if you post on AO3, you can add your work to the New Gods November collection.
And of course Fourth World must be the main focus of your work, but other DC characters are certainly allowed.
Last, I'd like to plug our New Gods discord. If you'd like an invite please message!
Ready for the full prompt list? Click "Keep Reading" to see it all!
Schedule and Prompt List
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[ID: List of four weeks with dates, where each week has four prompts and a comic title's logo under it. The dates and prompts are described below. /END ID]
Week 1 - November 1 to November 7
Stranger in a Strange Land¹
Destiny
Celestials on Earth²
Characters who never met³
Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen*
Week 2 - November 8 to November 14
The Ties That Bind⁴
Trust
Character Foils⁵
Create A Character Backstory⁶
Mister Miracle*
Week 3 - November 15 to November 21
Then-- There Was New Light!⁷
Freedom
Late/Post Kirby Characters⁸
OC or Character Redesign
Forever People*
Week 4 - November 22 - November 28
The Hand or the Knife⁹
Scars
New Genesis vs Apokolips
Alternate Realities¹⁰
New Gods*
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Footnotes
* = Characters, themes, settings or anything else from the pages of the comic title mentioned.
This prompt could include being somewhere foreign, not fitting in, or trying to find where you belong.
"Celestials" refers to the characters from New Genesis and Apokolips.
Create something for characters that haven't yet interacted in a published comic.
This prompt could include family and friends, things that keep people together, or blood relations for better or worse.
A foil is a character that contrasts with another character.
Show something that could in theory fit into a character's past.
This prompt could include progress, optimism, or looking to the future.
This means a Fourth World character that was created after Kirby's original run in the early 1970's.
This prompt could include nature vs nurture, the ability to choose, or the ability to change.
This means universes and timelines that aren't necessarily canon, but have been published by DC.
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Special Thanks
I want to give a very huge shout out to two people who made this event possible...
@ant-ifascottlang not only created our awesome graphics, but was so great to brainstorm and discuss ideas with and really pick their brain about all aspects of this thing. The prompts, the logistics, everything.
@shadethechangingman generously and graciously shared his prompt list, which we used to inspire this event. What we ended up with is different, to be sure, but I'm not kidding when I say that things would not even be half as good without that contribution and all the work that went into it.
And you know what else? I want to thank all the other New Gods fans I've interacted with here on tumblr over the past year. There aren't a lot of us, but what we lack in numbers we definitely make up for in passion. Thank you for being so welcoming, and thank you for making this a fun place to be.
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epicthemusicalstuff · 2 months
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Do you wanna hyper analyze the subtle differences in the epic logo between album covers?
Who am I kidding
Of course you do
Pls? :)
ABSOLUTELY I DO!!!! (I’m so sorry this took me so long to get to, I started writing it, stopped because I knew the fourth cover was coming out soon, and then completely forgot!!!! But I’m here now!)
You know what I realized? I didn’t read the logo part, and just wrote a page about the art itself-
(disclaimer, will I over analyze things that don’t need to be over analyzed? Absolutely I will!)
(the break is there cause this is about to be long)
LETS START OFF WITH TROY!!!! The one thing the covers share with eachother is a reliance on symbols of the saga, and so with the Troy saga we see the Horse. (First of all I love the shape of the horse, it gives off such lovely vibes). We see the fire, providing contrast to the darks and blues of behind it. I love this and the way it’s quite even in structure.
Onto the Cyclops album art, the design does become more simple, but it also helps to focus on what’s important in the saga. The cyclops, and the ominous air it brings. Those teeth? The fire in the eye? (A repeating motif of fire if you will? Carrying the flame of the dead, of those they wish to remember?)
Next, the Ocean saga, is where it becomes more interesting. It has less open space, more full, more action packed. The songs are more desperate. The focus is still on getting home, but surviving too in a rapidly expanding world. The ship, the main centerpiece, has walls of water closing in on it!!! The art style also has a noticeable change!
Lastly (for now) the Circe saga!!! And holy moly (pun intended) is this thing great! Not only does it take a whole new stylistic approach, but it also leans into the more abstract. The more fanciful! They have entered a world of an enchantress, and it shows! The danger isn’t over yet, but it feels less pressing, less sense of doom, if you get what I mean.
I’m going to predict that the next cover will get slightly more abstract, slightly more out there, and absolutely more gorgeous! (Though I don’t know how to beat the others!!!
Thank you for sticking through this analysis, and let me know if there is anything else you notice!
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csolarstorm · 1 month
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Pokemon Legends: Z-A: What is Λ?
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Lo! It's a Λ! 
When you take the Z off of Z-A, you're left with Λ, or the Greek letter lambda. So what does this lambda mean? What is the Λ in Pokemon Legends: Z-A?
This Λ is most likely the symbol for the Infinity Energy coming from AZ's Ultimate Weapon.  Infinity Energy is the reoccurring power from Generation VI. It's sometimes created from the life energy of Pokemon, but not always. Some fans like BirdKeeperToby use the term to refer to the energy, power, or magic that Pokemon use in general.
In the real world, Λ is tied up in all sorts of equations of radiation and light, so it fits perfectly with Infinity Energy.  The most powerful and prolific energy associated with Λ is dark energy.
Now, a disclaimer: I'm not a physicist, so I might get some of this wrong. I'll try my best to stick to the sources.
Albert Einstein used the letter Λ to symbolize the Cosmological Constant, a hidden factor in the universe that counteracted the force of gravity and kept the universe static, neither getting bigger or smaller.  Except, he miscalculated.  The universe wasn't just expanding, the expansion was accelerating.  (Source: LiveScience)
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In the 1990's, scientists named the hidden force dark energy.  It's the hidden factor that is pushing against gravity, causing the universe to expand.  And while it's invisible to the eye, and accelerating too far to access, some scientists believe that in billions of years the expansion could rip apart the universe. (Source: LiveScience)
It feels like a very anime idea, like something from Gurren Lagann. An overload of crazy, accelerating energy (three-fourths of the universe!) that expands the universe beyond its limitations.  We could liken dark energy to the untapped potential of Pokemon. Pokemon have special powers and abilities, but in certain circumstances, they can unlock a special potential within them that allows them to evolve their limits.
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Mega Stones were created when the blast from the Ultimate Weapon irradiated normal evolutionary stones with Infinity Energy. When a Pokemon Mega Evolves, it reveals within them a potential that was hitherto unknown, energy that lets them expand beyond their limits, just like dark energy expands the universe past the force of gravity.
Of course, there are other things that Λ can symbolize.  Lowercase lambda (λ) symbolizes half-life, and radiation is tied closely with Pokemon evolution itself.  The Mega Stones were "irradiated" with Infinity Energy.  λ is also used to symbolize wavelengths on the electromagnetic spectrum, including light, which works well with Lumiose City's Prism Tower.  (Wikipedia) Lumiose City is after all, based on the Paris, the City of Lights.
While I find Dark Energy the most exciting explanation for the Λ on the cover of Legends: Z-A, our big green Λ probably incorporates multiple concepts of energy and light into the idea of Infinity Energy.  Infinity Energy is the connective tissue of Generation VI, so it's very likely that it will appear in Legends: Z-A again.  While this doesn't tell us much about the game itself, it might give us an idea why GameFreak used the letter Λ.
Edited by @fluffybunnybadass.
Previously, in the Legends: Z-A Saga!
Part 2: Is Z-A Just Zygarde-A? (%1000 Zygarde and the Fragments of the Tree of Life)
Part 1: Aaah, it's an A! Is the A in Z-A the Tree of Life?
Part 0: How much longer am I going to have to wait for a freakin' Unova remake?! (Not really a theory.)
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