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lilithbts · 9 months

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thank you for your reply!

hello!

could you tell us about this expression "저 그렇게 쉬운 사람 아닙니다"? your translation of it, the context it was said in and how you interpreted it?

also what do you think of the fact that jungkook wanted to go to jimin's house to do the live and he said he'd take his things to take a shower there? O_O

thank you so much!

Hi, there! Thanks a lot for your message.

Oh well 🤭 let's take a look I guess!!

(*screenshot not mine)

To start off, I've seen a lot of discourse around this and also as to why/by whom it was deleted. To answer that first, it's hard to say because Jimin just commented:

"삭제해 버리네" which doesn't indicate who performed the action as the pronoun here is missing. He just wrote *he he he* "deleting" or "deleted"

He did use a grammar form 해 (어/아) 버리다 as to indicate that the action was completed in full; this grammar form can also carry an emotional undertone -as if someone was glad/regretful that the action happened. The best or closest interpretation of what he wrote then would be "he he he it's all deleted/gone" (alternatively: "he he he deleting it all") Did he mean he was glad he deleted? Or was he laughing that it got deleted? Hard to tell... You can see Jungkook understood it in that way, but I don't really see a reason why such action would be taken by anyone from the staff or moderators on the platform (if there are any).

Simply because what he wrote was very... brazen to say the least (we'll get into that) but in no way vulgar or inappropriate for broadcast.

Now looking at the preceding comment which you asked about... Jimin knew what he was doing with this comment 🤭 (and the nature of it leads me to believe even more he regretted posting so he deleted it quickly and was laughing about it)

"저 그렇게 쉬운 사람 안입니다"

This phrase closest translates to:

"I am not such an easy person" / "I am not that of an easy person"

First, this sentence is a commonly used phrase, you can also see by the formal tone in which Jimin wrote it as if he was quoting it- he normally doesn't have to / shouldn't talk with such high politeness with Jungkook and Jungkook responded in a highly formal tone and the typical Jimin-ssi for that very reason => which all adds another layer to this whole interaction (teasing upon teasing 🫣)

It's very commonly used when someone is in pursuit of someone else, whether it be trying to persuade you, make you do/feel something or make a move on you.

You would typically say this in a setting when a stranger is trying to get to know you/get your number or in other words is hitting on you and you want to politely and also a bit playfully reject. Of course, the context can also be that when a friend is trying to get on your good side, please you or persuade you. This answer is kind of teasing way to say "huh you think this would work on me?" It is a lot of times spoken in situations when you want to be playful/teasing/flirtatious and say: I'm not such an easy person (but)... [I'm not that easy to sway/your attempts have not been enough, you should try harder]. It can read as an invitation, a sort of cheeky rebuttal to say you know your worth and you expect more to be persuaded.

When put in the context of the wlive, there is more to consider. Jungkook was talking about taking it easy prior to Jimin posting that, when he read a few comments saying that Jimin should "go easy". I feel like Jimin's idea for the comment came from this moment. What leads me to believe he ended up deleting it is that the context in which he said it made it inherently flirtatious and very suggestive: Jungkook naked in bed, trying really hard to persuade Jimin over a livestream to go see him and Jimin making prior remarks to Jungkook to uncover himself 🙈 And that's how it was understood by Jungkook as well as he then went on to reason that it was Weverse that deleted the comment (for it being somehow explicit).

(**Also just to note, "an easy person" 쉬운 사람 as a standalone term in Korean doesn't carry an outright sexual meaning- an easy person in Korean is understood as more of a 'negative' term when you are too agreeable, when you don't stand up for yourself and let people walk over you and you are too easily taken advantage of. It doesn't have to do anything with someone's promiscuity. In the phrase Jimin used however, the implied meaning is different as explained.**)

Very shortly to the last part of your message, he said: "I'll bring stuff to wash up with" most likely implying he was to stay at Jimin's after the proposed live and sleep (and from my guess wash up before his schedule).

"내가 갈게, 내가 씻을 거 챙겨가지고 갈게"

"I'll go, I'll bring stuff to wash up with and go."

(he was emphasizing that he has no problem doing it, he is ready to go).

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lilithbts · 1 year

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So I just want to ask you, what made you change your mind on jikook? I just read an ask of yours stating that you thought they were something in the past but not anymore...what was it that changed your mind? Also, how do you view their dynamic now?

just that i think jikook don't talk like they see each other a whole lot and don't tend to frequent each other's places often over the last year. also there were several things jungkook didn't know about jimin's activities that i think a partner would know. but i don't really want to get into it a whole lot.

tumblr has become a place for shipping fundamentalism and shipping jikook is like a religion with a bunch of fanatics flailing around. i find the energy on tumblr extremely hostile and aggressive when a few years ago it used to be much more chill and people could discuss theories and different ideas in a more level-headed way.

i have a private twitter and a curiouscat i shared only with some respectful twitter followers that asked me for the link to discuss theories and my opinions.

#jikook #kookmin #bts ships #jeon jungkook #park jimin #jimin #jungkook

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lilithbts · 1 year

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Jkkrs are so delulu, the ship is not real and we know that but why you don't talk abt all the hate that jm gets from tkkrs ? Accusing him of r*pe and harassment ? I hope you're reporting these deranged people on twitter. Jkkrs are so ready to defend tae but they're nowhere to be found when tkkers drag jm

why the aggressive tone? i'm not even active on here lol do you even know me? yes i do report those mfs thank you for asking. also tough luck for you but i think jikook used to have something beyond platonic in the past but don't anymore. i'm just shocked by people saying they're being forced to "hide" their relationship like stupid taekookers do.

#jikook #kookmin

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lilithbts · 1 year

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dang jikookers giving taekooker energy more and more as time goes by

like wtf am i seeing all over the jikook tag? the level of delusion someone needs to reach to say certain things...

the defensiveness is giving toxic shipper to the ultimate degree.

this is some intense clownery.

#jikook #kookmin #jimin #jungkook #park jimin #jeon jungkook

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lilithbts · 1 year

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lilithbts · 2 years

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Jeez. So much buzz about Color: Freedom. Do you think it might be a nice balance between self-reflection on gender norms and a lil spicy LGBTQ+ hint just to create some space for discussions and interpretations? Because gosh, people are shouting either THAT’S BAITING or HE’S BISEXUAL. Nothing in the middle 😌

I'll briefly talk about this because I'm saving a more detail analysis once I look into gender identity/sexuality/masculinity and Jimin.

You said something really important here which is the idea that the concept can create space for discussions and interpretations. Which is great. It should be like that. Except a debate on social media usually turns into something ugly because everyone thinks they know better, there is only one interpretation, the other camp is either projecting or dismissing. When in turn it shouldn't be like that. Unfortunately we are at a stage in which nuance is a notion long forgotten and rejected.

As to the subject at hand, well let me tell you. It's not that complicated if we remember this incredible thinking tool we have on our hands called semiotics. We all know about it, we all operate with it unconsciously even if we don't know the exact definition and its academic purposes. Because semiotics, to put it simply, is nothing but the study of signs and how they create meaning. The easiest and first example anyone gives is the one with the traffic lights. When it's red, we know we stop and if it's green, then it's good to go. The color green does not have in its core definition the meaning of being allowed to do something or able to continue, but it's a meaning that has been attributed to it due to social norms. Social norms that have to exist in a functional society. We attribute meanings to objects, signs and so on. We are in a constant process of decoding what we see around us and once we get familiar with a meaning that becomes unanimously acknowledged, the decoding process becomes instantenous. And why is it important to understand the purpose of semiotics? Because – and I found this really easy explanation somewhere – semiotics is a tool to ensure that intended meanings are unambigously understood by the person on the receiving end. That's why we all must know that a red at a traffic light means we need to stop and there is no room left for ambiguity. But, to nuance this discussion as well, cultural context is relevant here. A thumbs up can mean ok in most cultures, while in other situations it can have a different meaning. So we always need to keep in mind the bigger picture.

Now, why did I took this theoretical detour to answer your question? Because by using semiotics, it becomes much more easier in trying to decode and interpret the signs in the photoshoot. If a certain combination of colors are turned into a recognizable symbol for people part of a community, then the meaning of it is decoded based on that knowledge. To put it simply, it's fine and expected if some can interpret the colors in The Freedom photoshoot as being a symbol associated with bisexuality. At least. And then there are people who can come and say that they only thought the colors are pretty without thinking more about it. That means they didn't go through the process of decoding because they symbol is not universally acknowledged or is an essential part of every person's life, like the traffic light for example. But that doesn't mean that those who were able to decode it are just exaggerating or attributing some meaning to it that is supposedly non-existent.

The truth is, there were several ''symbols'' and markers throughout time until this photoshoot which add context that is adding to the possibility of looking at the photoshoot through the lens of self reflection on gender and sexual identity.

But the issue that I see now (without having yet the time to fully explore it) is that people need verbal confirmation. They refuse to use their semiotic skills in order to interpret what they see. It's either they're not confident in their interpretation or they refuse the possibility of that interpretation to be real, so they want a verbalized message. Otherwise they call it queerbating. Which in that sense, it shows that they don't really care about the person they are supposedly interested in. It's more about their satisfaction and confirmation and not the actual real life. And that can be frustrating because people should be allowed to express their thoughts on their identity however they want. And just because others can do it loudly, it doesn't mean everyone can.

Then there's also the moral standpoint reason which is when fans say that it's wrong to look at the photoshoot through that lens because it's projection on part of LGBTQ+ fans, and sexuality shouldn't be assumed. In one way or another (or multiple) we as humans, assume. We look at someone and through our own life experience and the markers we are able to identify and decode based on our personal knowledge, we end up assuming someone's sexuality. It's just that assuming someone is straight is considered by fans more morally acceptable, while assuming any other sexual identity is wrong.

But this last aspect also needs to be nuanced. Our perceptions that lead to us assuming can be influenced by stereotypes. Stereotypes do have a base in reality, but they are also used to make negative judgments about people.

We also need to take into consideration cultural differences. Which is a double-edged sword. Fans can use this argument in order to better understand that an artist from an East Asian country does not automatically align himself with Western understandings of queerness and its symbols, but it also doesn't mean he's completely oblivious in this very globalized world that combines elements and knowledge from different parts of the world (I mean, all those Koreans at Seoul Pride must know what a rainbow flag means, as they do use it. You understand my point?). And then there is the other side who uses this argument in order to create this image of the artist who is ignorant because of its cultural background. Because if he's not from a queer-friendly Western country, then first of all, he is not gay and second of all, he doesn't have the knowledge of the superior Western thinking. That's an orientalist point of view (which is harmful, in case it's not obvious).

The conclusion to all this is yes, there needs to be space for interpretation because we have the tools to do it. But we also have to be willing to do it. And not everyone wants to go there. Either they choose to be ignorant, or they don't have the appropriate knowledge and they don't want to learn, or it makes them uncomfortable. Fans like to to speak in the name of the artist they like so often, but they also fail in listening and paying attention when that artist tries to express himself the way he wants.

This is a very long discussion and quite a complicated one because it's a huge topic in the fandom. And I'm not referring only to this photo-folio, but the way fans see Jimin is something to be studied. I think it's hard for them to wrap their head around who this man is and what he tries to say. He's obvious and ambiguous at the same time, which is hard to stomach for those who need everything to be very clear and delivered in a digestible way.

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lilithbts · 2 years

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are u back to thinking that jikook are dating? just curious

hmm, no, i'm not. why would i? also i was never fully certain they were 'dating'. i thought that in 2019 they had something going on that was beyond platonic, although i couldn't be sure of it, of course. then i stopped thinking there was something more last year and the festa dinner in 2022 pretty much cemented this thought. although i may be wrong, and if i am proven to be wrong one day it would actually make me happy!

to be honest, leaning more to the side of the spectrum that thinks they aren't romantic has made my outlook on the boys and shipping a lot healthier. i am not looking for things to prove or disprove my thesis like a lot of shippers (or supporters as some call themselves - which don't exist really, because no one knows if they are together as a fact). absolute, blind certainty for one way or another fuels obsession, and in turn that fuels an irrational need to defend your point of view against nay-sayers. that is why there are so many ship wars.

it's important to keep your mind open and just enjoy them. i still enjoy jikook immensely even though i don't think they are dating/romantic.

#jikook #kookmin #my asks #replies

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lilithbts · 2 years

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Hi Hello why did you delete all your posts? 🥺 will you abondoning this blog?? Please don't!! i'll really miss you so much 💔

hi! not exactly. i just moved blogs, so my posts are still in my old blog. i just changed urls, i also explained what happened in the last post on my old tumblr.

i'm not gonna lie, i am extremely annoyed with tumblr, because on this new blog, the DM function suddenly stopped working, like the drop down menu won't even appear, so i can't message anyone normally. i also made new posts for my fics and they were on the jikook tag just for some hours and then got taken off of it. i don't understand why that is. if it's about adult language, then why aren't all the smuts people write off of the jikook tag as well??

i feel like this app has a personal vendetta against me or something.

anyway, i am much more active on twitter, so you can interact with me there if you would like ^_^

#my asks #replies #tumblr sucks

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lilithbts · 2 years

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