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Big fan of Dean’s single man tear. Great for a laugh when things are getting dire

#2x17 #heart #not sure I liked this one #kinda made me mad but #I am in A Mood #so I don't know if that was me or the episode

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I think there’s a pattern of Sam being pretty hard-line on keeping civilians uninvolved, while Dean is comparatively more likely to sympathize with the reasons a person might choose knowingly to put themselves at risk.

#not a judgement on one choice or the other #just an observation #which may or may not develop into further thoughts #roadkill #2x16

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The thing about Houses of the Holy is that, in context of what is to come, this episode is made so sad and poignant and tender and hopeful and also? SO funny.

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Sammy </3

#1x13 #houses of the holy

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See I understand that if you’re talking about a biblical warrior angel Micheal is your guy. I understand that it’s not confusing that he comes up in the ‘angel doing righteous murders?’ episode. But also. Micheal and his flaming sword.

#spn watch #houses of the holy #1x13

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Okay but also this line coming as an accusation from Sam only for Dean to reveal a few lines later that he has gathered valuable information on the case. Dean successfully sells himself as a hedonist, but by my count he has not one single time let pleasure interfere with their work. 

“You’re like one of those lab rats that presses the pleasure button instead of the food button until it dies” is such an eviscerating line, and I simply did not expect it to be a throwaway about Dean wanting to use the massage bed while bored and locked in a motel. 

#sam lives in his pocket and has yet to notice this <3 #spn watch #2x13 #houses of the holy

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“You’re like one of those lab rats that presses the pleasure button instead of the food button until it dies” is such an eviscerating line, and I simply did not expect it to be a throwaway about Dean wanting to use the massage bed while bored and locked in a motel. 

#also because like. #it's a line that is true but only when twisted around #and made tragic #I always fully pictured it as part of a villain monologue or something #spn watch #2x13 #houses of the holy

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Dean loves his car like you love your favorite blankie or your childhood treehouse or your bedroom, not like most men love cars.

It's not an extension of his ego it's security it's comfort it's home.

Know how I know?

He leaves the soldiers in the ash tray. He leaves the legos rattling in the vent. He leaves the carvings in the upholstery. He leaves the doors creaky. These are the textures and sounds of safety comfort home and yes she would be perfect without them but she would not be comfortable without them. Not for Dean.

Know how else I know?

Dean sits on her hood to stargaze or relax with a beer. Lets Sam put his feet up in the back seat when he's tired. Lets Cas lean against her when he's upset and just needs some support. He isn't fussing over fingerprints or Sam's boots scuffing up the vinyl. He lets the pwople he loves rest against the car like you invite the people you love to sit down in your home and take a load off.

#this is why I have feelings about dean and baby #even though I have none feelings about cars #at least not in a car guy sort of way #spn watch

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Sam was in such a mood this episode. I kept waiting for an explanation and I probably missed something but. So far as I could tell the guy was just having an off day <3

#it seemed to be something about Ronald that set him off so much? #I mean sam would be annoyed with him #but to that extent? #was it something about dean liking Ronald? #but he also seemed more angry than annoyed when sherry was gushing over dean tohim #best guess is that sam felt like he was making all the wrong choices while dean was the big hero #and that got to him because of how scared of himself he is right now? #tbh though I cannot say #spnwatch #1x14 #nightshifter

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Why is the shifter in a lil’ white shift. Yeah yeah I know the show has a disturbing obsession with killing women in little white dresses. But the woman the shifter turned into was wearing a full work suit. So. Why.

#spn watch

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Look I’m sure they’re doing their best etc. But why. Do they keep insisting on locking all the innocent people in a vault when the shifter could be anyone. Such as, I don’t know, someone in the vault. Where everyone is locked with no defense or escape.

#I mean I guess the shifter wouldn't have motive to just kill everyone #but still? #?? #spn watch #nightshifter #1x12

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Oh hey, Victor! :D

#spn watch #nightshifter #1x12

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"I like him, he says ‘okey-dokey’.”

Gee, Dean is such an endearing wee threat to society <3

#there's a whole essay somewhere about how dean relates to people #still forming though #spn watch #2x12 #nightshifter

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Dean is less brainwashed by John than Sam thinks he is

Sam is more brainwashed by John than either of them thinks he is

#yeah.

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Time for a round of: was John using his sons for bait? Shadow (1x16) edition.

The thought occurred the first time I watched the episode and John, having made no appearance at the trap designed to lure him in (the trap holding his sons), he turns up hangin’ out in their motel room. He insists he came to them as fast as he could but arrived just as Meg fell from the window, danger eliminated; I think that’s darn specific timing but tell myself I’m making things up to extra-justify my dislike of the man and write it off as a run-of-the-mill tv plot-contrivance. 

Still I think—why didn’t he call them? He thought it might be a trap, he got their message in time to drive from wherever he happened to be, but he made no attempt to warn them. It can’t have been about his (already unjustifiable, if you ask me) secrecy, because he meets them after—not impulsively, running to see if they’re alright, if there are more assailants than the unknown woman who crashed through the window. His meeting is calculated, deliberate, seemingly calculated to discover in person (not over phone lines that may be tapped) if they have discovered anything useful.

So I can’t shake the image of him arriving early. Hiding the car. Watching the meeting place from the shadows until Meg crashed out. Slinking to motel to wait for his good, dutiful sons, who all unknowing took the danger and the damage meant for him onto themselves. 

And even I think, ‘would he really do that?’ Upon first watching the episode I thought probably not. But then there’s Home, where John again came for what might have been a lead and sat in Missouri’s house while Sam and Dean (unknowing) scoped it out, then got the report from Missouri. Then there’s the shtriga; all the piled evidence (whether intended by the writers or not) that he used his near toddler and his preteen son as bait. And I think—I wouldn’t put it past him. Really I wouldn’t.

#spn watch #shadow #1x16 #legendary hunter John: imma let my sons take this one #and this one #how bout this one too

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Okay, just to lay this out clearly. In Shadow (1x16):

Sam and Dean come across a possible lead on yellow-eyes, and call John to let him know.

John guesses it might be a trap, but makes no attempt to call and warn them.

Regardless, his sons suss out that it was a trap and escape, wounded but alive, without any help from John.

They find John chillin’ in their hotel room. 

Presumably he has come because despite the possibility of a trap, he thought the lead was worth checking out. He has proven on multiple occasions before now that no level of danger posed to them will convince him to show himself. 

They are attacked, and Sam saves them all, with none help from John. 

They at no point put John in any danger that he doesn’t choose to place himself in, and the evidence points to him having chosen to do so for his own aims, not for their sake. Doubtless if the demons hadn’t decided to try using Sam and Dean, the energy used to lure them in would have gone into trapping John instead. Sam and Dean did not weaken him, they did not make him vulnerable; they absorbed and overcame the danger he otherwise would have had to face himself, then saved him when it reappeared. And then:

Dean says that their presence endangers John. This is so divorced from the reality of what has occurred that I can only assume it is the final cause of John always forcing Dean to see things that go wrong as his fault, not John’s (a pattern that will repeat several times in the scant episodes for which John is present). 

John smiles, and smiles, and says ‘that’s right, son.’

The only way the events of the episode demonstrate that John is a better hunter without his sons is if one imagines an alternate scenario where it all goes just perfectly when he’s on his own. But that is pure speculation, divorced from the reality of what occurred. And what occurred is that, in his first on-screen encounter with monsters, we were given no evidence of his hunting abilities at all.

#spn watch #1x16 #shadow #sorry. #I'm back on this again #drives me crazy.

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Update: excluding flashbacks (and tbh even that’s pretty unnecessary), and keeping in mind that John’s demon deal wasn’t made during a hunt, it’s official: from the start of the series to John’s death, Mary (dead) was more help to Sam and Dean on hunts than John (alive, crocodile tears about how he loves his sons sooooo much and then explains how the problem was secretly their fault every time they dare challenge him). 

It’s a pity they didn’t take the opportunity to expand Mary’s character beyond ‘Mom’, but I’d to observe that at this point in the show we have officially seen Mary accomplish more hunts than John.

#spn watch #1x9 #home #okay fine he doesn't *always* make it their fault. #just usually. #and he does *always* explain how he can't be blamed #if you rlly think about it