#tinted my perspective on intepreting him based on knowing his starting point and way of working

[mejomonster]

I could talk for days about their relationship in general and how insane they were for creating Kenzan as the third game ever given the way their relationship is depicted in that game.Ishin is something else about them,too.These two can't go without having high tension that settles into something deep and emotional,becoming closer to each other than anyone else.To think it happens three times.It would be funny if they created a spinoff game that takes place in the future,and Majima and Kiryu were still like t h a t

Also worth mentioning that 3 presents you with interesting parallels to another duo in the game that really sneak by the majority of the players.That alone can wind up in a lengthy discussion.You're playing the remaster right?Looking forward to how you go through the third game!

Kenzan is the 3rd game made?? Like 1 then 2 then Kenzan then 3??

Also ah. How much of Kenzan would I understand if I played with a low level of Japanese (like can read slice of life simple manga)? I'm not sure if Kenzan has a game walk-through. Part of why I bought Ishin was its newer and there's an online guide with translations if I do happen to get stuck or not grasp some part of the story. You are making me want to buy kenzan too...

A spinoff game in the future would be. So much. Incredible.

Yes I love their dynamic a lot. I played 0 first which felt lovely as standalone stories paralleling and explaining how they grew into the men they'd go on to become. Then kiwami 1 I really liked how majima puts on acts and both attempts to help and yet has a really realistic nuanced grasp on how you need to be certain ways to not get used, not get read, be useful, etc. And also being despite all that acting, able to be More Himself and less trapped Because he knows how to navigate things better now. I'm playing kiwami 2 now majimas chunk and especially isolated it really emphazises those parts of his personality - the opening with bringing money to tojo clan to point out a bad idea, the way his own family tends to dress less like the others (he stands out intensely in that room of suits in the tojo meeting), the way he can get along with cabaret club girls he asks questions of, can get scary when needed, is searching for his own family man who ran but also investigating rather than jumping to conclusions I only played 2 chapters of his so please no spoilers lol).

Like... in the original 1 and 2 I assume he was much less clearer this way if at all, and the mad dog persona may have been nearly or all that was visible. I'm playing kiwami 1 and 2 so can only judge by that. But to me they integrated really well wirh rhe implication created in 0 that he's very adaptable and smart, but in the end Hates lack of freedom and being controlled and leads/chooses with his heart. And seeing nishitani be so intensely Himself, and also so Wild people struggle to control/play him, the way he led with his passion, and how majima certainly took from that and from makotos friend who helped her.

The scene in Kiwami 1 when he kidnaps haruka was so interesting to me for a lot of reasons. One being it's a more serious rendition of Majima Everywhere - the actual mechanic in the game, is mostly majima acting like a rival (and even a potential threat sometimes since hey this is an outside family guy learning your weak spots and clearly better at fighting you who gives up when you're good enough) but his goal seems overall to just help kiryu get strong enough TO survive because he appreciates the man and his values and wants him to survive and thrive (thats why he does give up, why he admires kiryus decisions, why he shows up to socialize in the non fighting scenarios like bowling and pocket racing - he cares about kiryus emotional state and isolation, wants to honestly connect to some degree to with someone who might even Vaguely get him and the Need for that). In their first meeting in kiwami 1 majima sees kiryus stubbornness to his values and when kiryu sees him post prison majima keeps fighting him ultimately To Help kiryu. So the scene in the battling cage is like, a reminder majima is a potential threat to kiryu. A lesson, thar even majima, even a friend, even someone who'd like for you to be okay, might not be trustworthy. Especially in their kind of lives. Might hurt you or hurt your loved ones, might use what they know against you, you NEED to be on the alert more kiryu (oh the nishiki foreshadowing). I'm sure it's also part showing Shimano he IS doing something, seeming useful ish, keeping his position secure. To be a mad dog people fear, he has to act outlandish and frightening and unpredictable and back that up. The fact though... that at the end of the batting cage scene, someone tries to stab kiryu and majima takes the knife. That majima doesn't ultimately want kiryu hurt (majima going wirh his heart) and yet saying he's the only one who gets to kill kiryu (a reminder of the lesson majima meant to teach - even he or any close person could hurt you so be prepared, and also kiryu PLEASE get strong enough to be the kind of person able to fight me and people like me, to be worthy of going against each other, live up to the dragon you used to be that I believe you can be again, the kind of man who deserves me killing him and not someone less). I love Zhao yunlan in guardian who is not much like majima mad dog wise but very much like majima in valuing freedom and leading by heart, and acting as a Part of who he is in a way to get what he wants (being informal and friendly to insult people or warm them up for info etc, able to change for his needs, but also the act is so much him it sort of Is him). So while majimas in some ways a lot more impulsive, I click a lot with how he's working his intelligence under the scenes to move toward his goals.

Theres a scene in Kiwami 2 where in purgatory after he fights kiryu, kiryu asks him for help, and majima tells him he's being played like a puppet and explains.. quickly grasping from what kiryu tells him that there's a plot, helping kiryu notice it and figure it out, and highlighting a bit how kiryu isn't always thinking in the perspective to notice manipulations like that. Makes sense, kiryus generally quite forward and stubborn. Majima though, he works angles to keep himself out of shit and being trapped again, and steers clear of getting manipulated when possible, so he's always a lot more aware of those things and how to act in relation to them than he seems on the surface. Then lol there's scenes like the bomb diffusing where he's leading on instincts and his heart. (I do think kiryus stubbornness to his values reminds majima of his own stubbornness to following his heart).

I'm in Kiwami 2 now and a much softer scene but I did the Cabaret sidestories and Majima joined the cabaret and reunited with yuki and worked with kiryu and I loved seeing them all as a team. ;-; it reminded me of the way majima was like family to the cabaret club Sunshine in 0, then to see kiryu who'd done the same in kiwami 2 get to meet THAT majima that side of him that friendly slightly silly gentler majima With people he considers actual friends like yuki was so freaking nice. I'm softhearted despite my love of action and angst lol, and I loved that little bonus at the end of that side game area. If majima construction has any similarly rewarding sidestories maybe I'll go play that side game more next ToT

Kiwami 2 comparing Ryuji and Kiryu is again really interesting from a character perspective. I expected daigo and ryuji to be the two compared in kiwami 2, based on them being introduced at similar times and in the same age range. But when ryuji met kiryu I got why okay he's the other guy on the cover, why he's a dragon, why he's fascinating to compare. (I like daigo too he's mmm interesting with potential, and like ryuji an eventual successor to a clan leadership... I Love his mom).

I'm really excited for yakuza 3! Mine seems mmm fascinating as a potential villain from the little I know, I love daigo and am happy he'll be there. I won't look up spoilers but ohhh what is the duo to look out for in 3?

And yes I'm playing the remasters. I think nearly all the yakuza games have a version on ps4 right now. I think maybe Yakuza Dead Souls is for ps3 though, but I am mmm somewhat tempted to get that too it looks fun.. just not sure I'll like the shooting combat part. I like the very simple fighter game style/action game fighting the yakuza games mostly have.

Curious of your (and maybe the general opinion on) the kenzan and ishin versions of the characters. Do they seem like ancestors, or like potentially other lives of those characters, or like alternate universes?

#replies #yakuza #anonymous #ask #yakuza kiwami 2 #totally cool if u interpret majima very different! ToT i realize yakuza 0 definitely #tinted my perspective on intepreting him based on knowing his starting point and way of working #and then also just like. idk my perspective might not be great yet knowing i havent seen a lot of the games yet #then theres also judt lol i may interpret different than another lol #thank you for the yakuza messages!! its fun discusisng these games and hearing about them!!! #<3 <3