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immaturityofthomasastruc · 3 years

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Sorry, I don't have the translation, but Thomas Astruc said in this tweet that he intended for Adrien to walk with a crutch ( and that he also wasn't a model in his early concept ), with the crutch becoming his baton as Cat Noir ( his disability would've been removed while transformed ), but the channels didn't think they could handle a disabled main character, so they dropped the idea. What is your opinion on disabled Adrien ?

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It would honestly depend on the way Adrien’s disability is portrayed.

The thing about disabilities in media is that they’re usually portrayed in one of two ways:

A disability becomes the character’s defining trait, and most of their moments are spent highlighting their disability

The disabled character is seen as a prop for the other characters to use and/or be inspired by when they see how hard they work to make up for their disability and how we should all be inspired by them too.

We have gotten characters that avoided this pitfall, like Toph from Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Billy from the 2017 Power Rangers movie, but this is generally what most disabled characters are like.

I think if Adrien wasn’t a model, it would make Marinette’s crush on him a little less creepy, and I could also understand Adrien viewing being Cat Noir as a ticket to freedom too.

I guess I’d be open to it just don’t want Adrien to mention his disability in every single episode focusing on him.

#immaturity of thomas astruc #iota #thomas astruc #miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #adrien agreste #cat noir #chat noir #remember in the show dragon tales when they had a dragon in a wheelchair?#how the hell does that raise more questions that the dragon who is somehow fluent in spanish despite living in another world?#submission

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parismystere · 2 years

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It doesn't matter that Adrien is a sentimonster. They're not gonna kill him off or anything like this doesn't mean that he's worth less because he's. one. of. the. main. characters. And also the audience's favourite!! So nah, all this meta abt how if he's a sentimonster then he's non-human is dumb. He's one of the main characters and him being a sentimonster doesn't make him less human or important at all! He's literally The most important character of the show (in a very unbalanced way w marinette btw who has only half a personality, sadly). And no, the fact that the other sentimonsters were treated like nothing doesn't mean Adrien will. Yes this is an inconsistency but also Astruc is a shitty af writer. He's ADRIEN they're not just gonna disappear him lmao. Imo I think people are projecting their own personal issues w their own parents on ML, something I understand but it's also good to take a look back and see the context. Sentimonster Adrien thing is nothing but a shitty metaphor for abuse in a way children can understand bc that's the audience. Sure, the show could be smarter and more serious but it is what it is.

anon, i know you mean well but i'm gonna be a bitch for a second and say that i obviously don't think the meta i reblogged is dumb, and if you think it is, you should go debate that with the writers of these metas instead of commenting on their posts like that in my askbox.

that being said: the issue isn't exactly adrien's future as a sentimonster main character, the issue is what are the implications of this writing choice, how does it fit into the whole narrative (hello, plot holes), and what message are the writers communicating.

you are very right that adrien being a sentimonster is, at the end of the day, irrelevant. implications for his worth aside, of course he isn't going to get killed. in fact, we might even get an arc in which adrien uses the wish to become a Real Boy. which begs the question: why even make him a sentimonster in the first case? for shock value (i guess for the little kids watching)? for the #drama? when it's possibly the least original and interesting thing to do with the agrestes?

what does adrien being a sentimonster add to his character? well, nothing but more angst and more trauma porn that goes unaddressed. i think s4 proved pretty quickly that adrien and the agrestes are nothing but a Mystery Factor to add an illusion of depth to the show, but at its core, the show isn't interested in helping adrien gain autonomy. the show isn't interested in adrien getting better. the show isn't interested in helping him find a way out of his inferiority complex. the show doesn't see him as a full-fledged character with a ton on his plate - he is a prop, he is the genderswapped love interest, he doesn't matter at the level we want him to matter.

that i was projecting really hard became clear to me when kuro neko aired. [thomas astruc to me: you have a very personal understanding of things] [funny because i described gabriel as abusive in my tweet to him] call me dumb, whatever. but the fact that this entire fandom got fooled for years is hilarious. apparently this show was so vague and wishy-washy that we were being sold one message and understanding something completely different.

i am going to end with something i found in my drafts (i think it's pre-kuro neko) but didn't want to post at the time:

overall, we can conclude that what is happening to adrien in s4 is to break him down until his anger explodes and he becomes more assertive, but a good question is if this the right way to portray an abuse victim gaining independence, as it's completely unrealistic (imo) for children at home, and it's a bizarre path to see, given astruc's insistence that the show works with psychiatrists and child psychologists. instead of adrien meeting people who build his self-worth with kindness and understanding, or instead of adrien being put in situations that ask of him to take a risk that pays off and that builds his confidence, adrien is consistently presented as unappealing to the people important to him when he's chat noir, he's repeatedly shut down for not being a little doll the few times he tries to open up as his civilian self, he never got the chance to build a relationship with the man who chose him to wield one of the two most important miraculouses, and he obviously can't be in situations that demand growth of him if he's struggling to get screentime against temp heroes and third-rate characters.

adrien becoming angry to the point when he snaps on his household members (or ladybug) in the end won't make his situation better in any way; even though he's angry at how he's treated, he's still willing to do what others want of him instead of standing up for his needs; and even if he stands up for himself, gabriel suddenly going "oh, you're right, adrien, you can do whatever you want now" would be laughable, ooc and an insult to the previous episodes that portrayed adrien's situation as abusive. adrien's problems can only be solved when gabriel is out of the picture.

#the most important character in the show who struggles to get screentime #ml spoilers #adrien is a sentimonster

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into-september · 4 years

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Party Crasher

While the rest of the fandom is presumably flipping out over the NY special, those of us relying on Disney Channel dubbing schedules running months behind will have to live with the re-runs until we can be bothered hunting it down, and today happened to be the only episode I hadn’t seen yet. Speaking of the dumbass comedy which makes me love this show and all.

- It’s sad that I’m honestly a bit surprised to find that they remembered Wayhem’s VA. (Mr. Banana hasn’t got the accent from “Kwamibuster”, though.) His and Adrien’s friendship is really sweet and I so hope he’ll be around in S4 too

- Gabriel is “going to Tokyo” and I instantly start low-key shipping him with Kagami’s mum for no other purpose than hilarity. This is not entirely without precedent, because I probably have a fifteen hundred word essay in me about my feelings on Gabriel/André (the mayor, not the ice cream man). Which I mostly ship because god damn does Adrien deserve a positive, loving parent

- Ivan might be incapable of lying but the episode running straight after this one was “Puppeteer II” and Nino, you are not one to talk

- World championship of bad excuses indeed. Props to Nino for supplying one for Kim, who didn’t owe one to anyone

- Anyway Gabriel’s little beekeeper outfit while harvesting butterflies is excellent

- I don’t know what I love most - that Adrien keeps his bathtub always ready with rose petals and a rubber duckie, or that Kim spends most of the party snorkelling in it. How can anyone hate this show.

- The Grand Piano released from the floor by scoring at the basketball hoop is a strong contender there. As is the joy with which all those teenage boys greeted it.

- Of course Max runs enough hardware at home for the question of power supplies to be a topic about which he is learned and can wire into digitally???? I guess in a universe where macarons and now also hot dogs can be split clean in half by hand

- I’ll admit to having lost some of the dialogue but that sounded to me like someone suggested Gabriel had a personal nuclear reactor installed

- I love how Marinette starts out playing detective FOR JUSTICE and slips into “but why aren’t I allowed that’s so unfair” the moment she realises what is going on

- The Mulan-joins-the-army energy is strong

- That scene between her and Fu is a homage to “it is I, LeClerc” and you cannot convince me otherwise

- Please consider: Tom Dupain at Adrien’s party. Everyone else is there for good or less good reasons, so what’s keeping him?

- Thank you Thomas Astruc for giving us Chloé using the mayor of Paris as a make-up doll. And the fact that he ran around around like that in relative public.

- My favourite minor character is the fireman man. He’s so lowkey funny in both “Despair Bear” and “Riposte”.

- It says so, so, so much about the Agreste home that Gabriel is shocked and appalled to register JOY, PURE JOY happening in his house. I mean, he’s got a history of personally bullying others to get them upset and ripe for akumatisation. But expecting everyone close to him, his teenage son included, to spend their days in misery? Lord allmighty, what a piece of human garbage.

- Gorilla ships Majestia/Hawk Hero and clearly I don’t know how that goes yet but it’d be the best thing ever if his “now kiss” game was foreshadowing (yeah yeah I know this is MLB Ladybug’s accidental confession to the pharmacy lady was probably the best they could get away with. let me dream)

- I like Chuppu and I like King Monkey’s transformation music and his chaos is excellent. We were robbed by this being his only episode

- One of the biggest mysterious of this ‘verse: how does Adrien Agreste know how to clean. That little scene with Marinette and Nino was cute, though.

- I cannot stop thinking about the how Gabriel had to spend that weekend skulking around his own home like some ghost. Sneaking into the kitchen at night to eat. Keeping track of Adrien and Gorilla before flushing. Probably sleeping down in his secret lair.

- Unless I’m forgetting something, this is the first episode where Ladybug goes down and stays down for the entire battle until it’s time to de-evilise. The only other time I remember her being taken out by an akuma at all is in “Desperada”, and all those times are second chanced instantly.

#miraculous ladybug #let's watch cartoons #mlb fireman

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