#shiv joins in on it

[tomwambsgans]

some sick and twisted part of me wants to read a succession fic that features taylor swift as a character. i just know she'd fit right in

#kendall rents her for sophie's next bday party and spends more time around her than sophie does #every roy would have SOMETHING to say to her #i think roman would bring up the jet pollution thing to her face #not bc he cares but just for fun #shiv joins in on it #greg gets an autograph and tom is like i've never ONCE seen you listening to her music #he claims to just be generally starstruck. like it would be a waste not to get it while she's here yknow #then behind greg's back tom gets one as well #which he intends to put behind glass that says 'in case of bankruptcy' #btw do not think for one second that i'm saying this as a swifty. no i want to see her and the roys tear each other apart #mine

[anywhereforadime]

that episode was a lot to process and i can’t believe the pregnancy reveal isn’t even in the top 10. like i’m genuinely surprised by tom’s complete non-reaction. utterly unperturbed. the scene was so anticlimactic it barely registered. it is so over for their marriage, i really don’t think any audience members could root for a reconciliation after this.

#succession spoilers #tom enjoyers and shiv enjoyers join hands to sign the divorce papers #the failmarriage is so good #and greg getting in the middle of it yes please #tomgreg

[finitevariety]

shaking my head pointedly as shiv downs her drink so everyone knows i disapprove of this arguably extremely cunty move

#hellooooooooo it's so pointed #joining the war on FAS on the side of FAS #succession #shiv roy #tomshiv

[failbaby]

I think people confuse “Shiv is Logan’s favorite,” which is undoubtedly true, with “Logan treats Shiv better than his other children,” which is not true

#oc #trying to determine which of the Roy kids ‘had it worse’ is like the lowest tier of succession analysis #it’s on the bottom rung with ‘L to the OG should join the disgusting brothers’ and ‘shiv is abusive’ and ‘Roman can’t be gay he’s a fascist’

[kendallspatricide]

happy national siblings day to them i guess

#succession #succession s4 #shiv roy #roman roy #kendally roy #honourable mention to #connor roy #who was too busy gettin married to his sugar baby to join this hug

[sameasieverwas]

Is there a Succession discord server yet? If so, I need to get on there asap. Conheads unite.

#succession #kendall roy #logan roy #roman roy #shiv roy #my application to join is i went as kenstewy for Halloween

[abnormalpsychology]

Someone pointed out that “it’s not my fault you didn’t get his approval. I have given you endless approval” could be interpreted as Tom thinking his love should be equivalent to Logan’s, which is just… it’s not! Of course it’s not!!!! No matter what he does, there’s always going to be a part of Shiv yearning for that. No amount of a good man’s love can cure not getting that original parental love. Something something “you’re not Logan and I’m not Gil. and that’s a good thing.” Like I don’t think I would wish being cheated on or being in a relationship w/ Shiv on anyone, but I also wouldn’t wish what happened to her on any child. Even if she’s “broken”, I don’t think his love could ever “fix” her, even if he wanted to believe that. What makes it a tragedy is I think that both Shiv and Tom did the best they could 💔

#something that’s always been so interesting to me is like . how willfully Tom seems ready to ignore the amount of abuse around them #shiv saying ‘your mom likes me more than she likes you’ was super interesting bc #1. it implies that tom also came from a fucked up bg with a lack of parental love #but also like #shiv firing that back was her trying to even the playing field #like ‘you think I’m fucked up? you think Logan didn’t love me? well YOUR MOM HATES YOU SO.’ #something something ‘you should be so lucky I was fucked up long before I met you’ convo last episode #something something Tom not knowing when is the right time for romance somethign something fucked up love is in his blood too #that line is so funny bc wHAT #was tom an ‘I can fix her’ bitch??????? #this show is driving me insane #how much of it is projection? how much of it is *real*? #tomshiv #succession #failmarriage #succession analysis #bbge.text #or maybe it’s not that deep idk #idk this all is prolly incoherent but what an interesting debate #what the fuck happened to tom to give him a fuckedup enough view on love that he was willing to join the Roy fam? tag your answers below!!!

[esotericfloozy]

it’s funny— i thought selling the company would be a happy ending for the sibs— anything can happen right? but as mark mylod said, this tragedy was inevitable and these characters cannot overcome their natures. the door to the cage is open. and yet. the kicked dogs stay down. kendall will spend the rest of his life regretting this day. shiv will stay stuck in a marriage she hates with a child she can never truly love. roman? well, i think he has the best chance of being free. but i don’t think he even knows what freedom is.

#succession #succession spoilers #roman roy #shiv roy #kendall roy #ok so i think roman could do a couple of things #i could honestly see him joining the mencken admin LOL #maybe not though

[loubaby52]

I want to talk about Kendall and Shiv (who are absolutely my favourite characters and always have been). Anyways, Shiv looking straight into Kendall’s eyes and telling him he is a good person was deeply fucked up. Like in S2 Kendall begged Shiv to help him in preparation for when he inevitably he fell out of favour with Logan and she decided to help Tom instead and let Kendall go to jail. Then in S3 she published that letter about him which destroyed his vaguely manic high and sent him spiralling. Then in later in S3 she watched him sob in a dirt parking lot and vaguely comforted him as he repeated that he wasn’t a good person. Now she’s using his fears against him to cover her ass. Like something about her manipulating her deeply mentally ill brother while he is trying to be honest with her was so fucked it made my heart break a little.

#succession season 4 spoilers #rachael talks to no one #kendall roy #shiv roy #Kendall was honest with her because he wanted the dems to win the election for his daughter and she used that against him to keep her #position with ‘I need to invent a second India’ Mattson #the most heartbreaking thing is that if shiv would have been honest with Kendall in return he probably would’ve tried his best to get the #dems to win #this is not me supporting Kendall endorsing menken because he was hurt by his sister though to be clear #however I understand why he did it #shiv has been screwing Kendall over since she joined the CEO race and it was going to backfire at some point always #basically what I’m saying is that Kendall’s choice made sense dramaturgically (wink wink) but it made me deeply sad

[pixelshiftexe]

Does anyone else with multiple concurrent BG3 runs like to imagine a scenario where their Tavs are part of the same party? Because I do, and it's incredibly amusing to picture them interacting.

#my two current tavs are such wildly different people its hilarious to imagine their dynamic. #like you have 'shiv roy if she dropped out of college to join a cult and made a deal with cthulhu' #and 'lolth drow who was so goddamn sweet she got kicked out of the underdark and also sometimes sponaneously explodes' #bg3

[georgeromerosanalcavity]

If tom and greg were tumblr mutuals they would both actively prevent the other from improving in their adult lives to ensure they would never leave tumblr and never separate from each other. Soft blocking be damned

#succession hbo #tom wambsgans #greg hirsch #tomgreg #i want them toxic. i want them inseparable #this would also happen with shiv but i think tom and greg have just enough lack of dignity to join tumblr #i think ken and roman might have that but i dont think they’d bother with it so #tomgreg tumblr mutuals

[tomwambsgans]

made damn sure that pilate washed his hands and sealed his fate

america decides.

#america decides #4x8 america decides #tom wambsgans #shiv roy #tomgreg #this of course joining with all the devil jesus judas stuff #i'm gonna make a huge post with it all soon #anyway it fucks me up how clearly nauseating the decision is #and making greg a totally unnecessary middleman just so that he doesn't carry all the guilt.... #mine

[goldlightsaber]

kendall and shiv were having the 4.07 balcony fight their whole lives actually......

#kendall really said 'fine. if you won't join me i will make this impossible for you' #(with playing the 'r*pe me' song during her speech) #he really went against the council of his lawyer JUST to get back at her..... #like does he even wanna win at this point? he just needs to make his sibs hurt for not joining him. but ESPECIALLY shiv #his primary concern isn't complying with the advice of his team but being like #'oh shiv is making moves. we have to stop that immediately' #he's obsessed like a villain being obsessed with the hero #except no one is really the hero of course #it's villain on villain violence #but also he obviously knows shiv is an extension of logan #and maybe he sort of masochistally craves her betrayal #knows she'll dampen his high and that he can't stay in it anyway. so he self-sabotages via trusting shiv #anyway. ignore me having a psychoanalyzing field day here in the tags #she was going to SEND HIM....to FUCKING PRISON! (fave line to quote btw) #succession #succ rewatch #text

[zaricats]

I'm interested, what do you think of Roman and Kendall's relationship overall? I feel like they were close when they were little but got driven apart when Roman's psychological issues got him sent to military school and Logan covertly encouraged him to blame Kendall for making him turn out weird (mainly to take any responsibility off of himself). I don't believe Kendall was aware of anyone other than Logan hurting Roman or that Kendall abused Roman himself, but... it's complicated.

!! i don't think roman and kendall were ever very close, actually - i think they've always been pretty distant

this got away from me in the extreme so im going to put this under a cut (i'm so sorry)

the dog cage story in the episode with tom's bachelor party i think is indicative of two things: how siblinghood in the roy house functioned, and how kendall (as well as connor) react to guilt/abuse.

connor says, when roman asks him if he really did enjoy being put in a dog kennel, that they all had a hierarchy to learn and that once they learned it, they would be happier. we're meant to take this as a sort of metaphor: in childhood, the siblings were likely pitted against each other (by logan) to be the 'stronger dog'. roman was the 'weaker dog' because he was the one stuck in the cage - kendall was stronger because he put him in there. kendall rationalizes it by the idea that roman somehow belongs in this position, wants to be there and is happier for it, so that kendall can feel better about participating and winning.

i don't necessarily blame kendall for participating (he was also a child), but that sort of competition and play would likely prevent any sort of close relationship. roman was four - that would be an extremely early memory for him. logan likely intended to prevent any close bonds anyway, because in order to have control over someone, you have to be the most important person in their life. a close relationship with a sibling could ruin that; it could be a threat to you, even.

the dog cage story is also extremely tied up with roman's "sexual perversity", and is also, imo, extremely indicative of csa (bed-wetting, 'you enjoyed it', etc). kendall doesn't really remember the story at all, at first, and his next reaction is to get defensive. he insists it wasn't that bad, and that roman wanted it. i agree with the idea that kendall wouldn't have known if someone other than logan was hurting roman, but that sort of denial and avoidance still wouldn't (and doesn't) play very well with roman. it hurts when your suffering goes unnoticed and/or unprevented.

even if roman isn't a victim of csa (i don't think anything fits better, but i digress), it's very possible kendall exhibited this sort of avoidance/denial in regards to just logan's physical abuse. i know he defends roman at argestes, but that doesn't necessarily indicate anything about their childhood (for example, logan's already snapped at iverson at this point - this would have changed kendall in a fundamental way).

i do think roman was close with shiv as children - they seem closer in age, and they have a rapport/banter/cadence with each other that neither have with kendall. this could be because kendall just isn't good at that sort of banter, but i think we're meant to read a special sort of closeness out of it. it's a mean sort of affection only roman and shiv have.

shiv also isn't competition in the way kendall is. her distance from waystar in the beginning of the show is non-threatening, and i think her position as a woman also prevents her from intimidating roman in any sort of significant way (this goes for kendall as well). even still, once shiv exposes logan's offer to make her CEO, roman's relationship with her becomes a lot more aggressive. their teasing becomes acidic and cruel - the way they poke at each other about sex (shiv having too much, roman having none at all) grows exponentially in both amount and cruelty. i think this is where roman and kendall have been their whole lives.

i think theres a lot to be seen in the way roman wrestles with both shiv and kendall as well. with shiv, roman wrestles just to wrestle - its very reminiscent of two kids getting into a scuffle because its fun and they need to get the energy out somehow. when they wrestle in the hospital, its almost cathartic; its a strange way to process logan's sudden and eminent mortality.

with kendall, wrestling is a competition - its a genuine fight. think of the hunting retreat: kendall is trying to take something away from roman, kendall is trying to get roman in trouble, kendall is trying to put roman down so he can get a leg up with logan. again, their relationship is about competition.

i do think something changes after roman gets back from turkey - he starts showing real concern for Kendall, makes attempts to get closer with him (and shiv) by suggesting they talk seriously, etc. i think this is a new thing, however - i don't think they're going back to something they once had. it feels new and awkward - i think they've always been dogs at each other's throats.

#succession #kendall roy #roman roy #shiv roy #im SO sorry for how long this is #also im so sorry if its incoherent... i had a real hard time putting my thoughts into words #asks #myplasticadversary #tw csa #it just feels like theres a cavern between them #i dont think they know each other very well. #take that scene in sophie's bedroom: when shiv says that cruel thing to roman she understands what shes saying to him; she takes what she #knows about him and twists it cruelly #kendall joins in but its a stab in the dark; his remark isn't quite as cutting because its not very accurate #he doesn't *know* the way shiv seems to #god i cant believe i still have more to say #i didn't even get to the military school thing but i agree: i don't think it had anything to do with kendall #however - i dont think logan really encouraged roman to blame kendall either #i think its romans attempts to rationalize what happened to him #and i think roman's blending of the dog cage & military school is indicative of a spotty memory - he sounds like he's figuring it out as he #goes when hes explaining to connor #i am NOT saying roman shouldn't be believed - i think he should #but #blanks in memory is often a symptom of extreme trauma #(eating disorders as well)

[lavenderhaize]

holy trinity

#look at them please #oh i can't wait to see them joining forces #quality is shit but still #succession #kendall roy #shiv roy #roman roy

[kendallroygf]

big day for ken shiv sisterisms understanders !

#kendall roy #shiv roy #this is so so so important to ME !!!! they are sisters they are cain and abel they are autism siblings they’re my personal cinnamon apples #ND THEYRE ON THE SAME TEAMMM. free to be on the same wavelength as wellll #i hope their joined at the hip i hope they cuss out logan i hope they act cunty and dramatic nd insane nd roman is soooooo embarrassed #of them !!! #the first one is bringing tears to my eyes like EXACT SAME FUCKIN EXPRESSION POSE MAMNERISMS … HELLOOOOO THATS HIS BABY SISTERRRR #p