#ronnel penrose

[targsource]

TARGARYEN PORTRAITS: PART 7

by riotarttherite on twitter

featuring: Ser Jon Waters (1), Lady Jeyne Waters (2), Lord Ossifer Plumm (3), Lord Viserys Plumm (4), Lord Ronnel Penrose (5), Lord Robin Penrose (6), Lady Laena Penrose (7), Lady Jocelyn Penrose (8), Lady Joy Penrose (9), Ser Michael Manwoody (10)

#house longwaters #house plumm #house penrose #michael manwoody #book: twoiaf #artist: riotarttherite #other tags: #jon waters #jeyne waters #ossifer plumm #viserys plumm #ronnel penrose #robin penrose #laena penrose #jocelyn penrose #joy penrose #the world of ice and fire #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #valyrianscrolls

[atopvisenyashill]

imagine you are baela targaryen and you want to name your daughter after your long dead mother. your husband lets you because it’s a suitable Velaryon name. the husband that you love because he acts like your dad is acting like your dad by fucking your niece, who is the same age as your grandson. he will carry on this affair until you are both dead.

you are elaena targaryen and the only freedom you’ve ever known is with your aunt’s husband who is older than your father. when they are all dead, you marry the grandson of your lover. you want to name your daughter laena, as a way of remembering baela & alyn and everything you all put each other through. your husband agrees because you’re both half Velaryon and he likes that you share this. you are not in love but you are happy. a war breaks out and he is murdered in front his mother. you have just suggested his niece marry a prince.

you are laena velaryon 2.0 and you marry a nice man around your age and have many children. your first born doesn’t marry for a long time but when he does, he makes a match with your cousin, who had an affair with your father that emotionally wrecked your mother. a war breaks out and you watch all of your sons die one by one except the very youngest, and they call this a mercy.

you are aelinor penrose and your husband refuses to consummate your marriage and you attempt to shame him for this. a lifetime ago, your auntie elaena told you a story about her sister who did the same thing, and it got her locked up for years, but your smart, savvy auntie elaena tells your husband he can live his life as he pleases without destroying his wife, and you think of the way your auntie elaena and grandma laena can’t even look at each other anymore, and you figure maybe you got lucky.

#you are laena penrose and you are sweating bullets rn #something something can’t escape your mother’s blood #baela targaryen #elaena targaryen #laena penrose #laena velaryon #ronnel penrose #aelinor penrose #but also. family tree like a christmas wreath aksjdjdjjd these people are so inbred. #getting on my soap box #rani attempts meta #IM SORRY I CANR STOP THINKING ABOUT IT #like imagine being elaena and proposing this match as some sort of. personal atonement for blowing up your aunt’s marriage. #and then the penroses are targeted in the war BECAUSE of this match she proposes. #can you imagine. how could laena and elaena ever look each other in the eye again. #the grief would be never ending #insurmountable.

[highgardenart]

Lord Ronnel Penrose

“Elaena [became] known to be the true master of coin, for her husband was said to be a good and noble lord but one without a great facility for numbers.”

#a song of ice and fire #game of thrones #got #asoif fanart #asoiaf #fan art #hotd #house of the dragon #digital art #house targaryen #house penrose #ronnel penrose

[thevelaryons]

Laena → namesakes

LAENA VELARYON, daughter of Rhaenys Targaryen and Corlys Velaryon LAENA VELARYON, daughter of Baela Targaryen and Alyn Velaryon, named for her grandmother LAENA PENROSE, daughter of Elaena Targaryen and Ronnel Penrose, likely named for her great-aunt

#valyrianscrolls #preasoiafedit #asoiafedit #velaryonedit #litedit #asoiaf #laena velaryon #laena ii velaryon #laena penrose #gifs #*mine #elaena giving her daughter that name sure was a choice #and one I love considering the implications of 🤭

[sansas-amythest-hairnet]

Princess Elaena Targaryen, daughter of Aegon III Targaryen and Daenaera Velaryon, wife to Ser Ossifer Plumm, Lord Ronnel Penrose, and Lord Michael Manwoody, mother to Jon and Jeyne Waters, Viserys Plumm, and Robin, Laena, Jocelyn, and Joy Penrose. Elaena was one of the sisters who was locked in the Maidenvault by her brother Baelor the Blessed. She was not a pretty girl, with her crowning beauty being her hair, when her brother locked her up she cut off her hair as protest.

#a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #asoif/got #game of thrones #asoif fanart #asoiaf fanart #house of the dragon #house targaryen #elaena targaryen #baelor the blessed #aegon iii targaryen #daenaera velaryon #house plumm #House Penrose #House manwoody

[sugarbarbiefae]

HOUSES THAT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY HAVE CONNECTIONS TO VALYRIAN BLOOD

House Targaryen

House Velaryon

House Celtigar

House Baratheon

Through their founder Orys Baratheon who was said to be the half-brother of Aegon Targaryen.

Through the marriage of Lady Alyssa Velaryon to Rogar Baratheon.

Through the marriage of Princess Rhaelle Targaryen to Lord Ormund Baratheon.

House Arryn

Through the marriage of Princess Daella Targaryen to Lord Rodrik Arryn.

House Hightower

Through the marriage of Princess Rhaena Targaryen and Ser Garmund Hightower.

House Penrose

Through the marriage of Princess Elaena Targaryen and Lord Ronnel Penrose.

House Plumm

Through the marriage of Princess Elaena Targaryen and Lord Ossifer Plumm.

House Longwaters

Decent from the bastard children of Princess Elaena Targaryen and Lord Alyn Velaryon.

House Tarth

Through a marriage of Larissa Velaryon and a second son of Lord Tarth.

House Estermont

Through the marriage of the daughter of Larissa Velaryon to the elderly lord of Estermont.

House Martell

Through the marriage of Princess Daenerys Targaryen and Prince Maron Martell.

House Blackfyre

Decent from King Aegon IV Targaryen and Princess Daena Targaryen.

#a song of ice and fire

[queensend]

HOUSE TARGARYEN ♔ the maidens in the tower

Daena was wild almost from birth. She was strong, beautiful, and willful. She was an expert horsewoman and also a hunter and a fine archer with her short recurved bow. She had a a fearless “I’ll dare anything” smile. During her time of confinement at the Maidenvault, Daena escaped several times and had an affair with her cousin Prince Aegon, despite his marriage to his own sister-wife Naerys. When she became pregnant she refused to name the father and became known as “Daena the Defiant.” Rhaena was the second daughter of King Aegon III Targaryen and Queen Daenaera Velaryon. Two years younger than Daena, Rhaena was just as lovely as her sister, but hers was a softer, sweeter, more feminine beauty. Where Daena was willful, wild, and adventurous, Rhaena was dutiful, meek, and passive. She loved lace and gold trim and often embroidered depictions of faith on her clothing. Rhaena, unlike her two sisters, never chaffed at her confinement. She was almost as pious as her brother Baelor, and eventually became a septa. Elaena lived a much longer life than her sister Daena, and a much more tumultuous one than her sister Rhaena. Although Elaena had three husbands during her lifetime, the great love of her life was her cousin, Lord Alyn Velaryon. She gave birth to two bastard children by him, the twins Jon and Jeyne Waters. Elaena had hoped to marry Alyn, but he was lost at sea. She would go on to marry three times, first to Lord Ossifer Plumm who died on their wedding night, then Lord Ronnel Penrose. He sat on the king’s small council as master of coin; but it was widely known that Elaena was the one performing the duties, as she was shrewd and intelligent with money. King Daeron trusted her with many important matters of state, and she grew influential. Elaena birthed Ronnel four children: Robin, Laena, Jocelyn, and Joy Penrose. Not long after Ronnel’s death, Elaena married once more, for love and by her own choosing. With King Daeron II’s blessing, Elaena was married to Ser Michael Manwoody, a Dornishman who had attended the court of Mariah Martell.

#asoiafedit #pregotedit #gotedit #preasoiafsource #targnation #preasoiafedit #targaryenedit #daena targaryen #rhaena targaryen #elaena targaryen #pre asoiaf #asoiaf #* #gifs #*asoiaf #*targaryen

[sarcasticsweetlara]

What crown would Aelinor Penrose wear?

Aelinor would use the crown of the Good Queen Alysanne.

Aelinor Penrose is a character that even though has not been truly explored, she is one of the most interesting ones.

A great example is how Aelinor being related to the Targaryens is a good example.

If Aelinor does indeed have Valyrian blood, then just like with Alyssa Velaryon, they both had connections and blood ties to House Targaryen even though they belonged to different Houses. However, more than trying to find a bride with Valyrian features, Aelinor Penrose was chosen for the reputation of her House.

If King Daeron II had only been concerned with getting Valyrian-looking grandchildren he could have looked only for Velaryon brides for his sons or great-granddaughters of his great-aunt Rhaena; instead Daeron was more focused on looking for alliances. Aelinor Penrose may have been chosen as House Penrose was respected and was part of the Stormlands where the majority of the Marcher Houses are, as Daeron II was trying to secure the support of the Marcher Lords once again as many of them seemed to prefer Daemon Blackfyre's Anti Dornish sentiment over Daeron's peace terms as King Daeron II had a Dornish wife: Myriah Martell, and wedded his sister Daenerys to the Prince of Dorne Maron, the brother of Myriah.

And one would think, why give the (possibly looking like) Valyrian - Marcher bride to the second son instead of the first son who by the way looks more Dornish than Targaryen? That's because as the firstborn son Baelor needed to cement his position with the Marcher lords by marrying the daughter of an important Marcher Lord, and he got what he needed with Jena Dondarrion as the daughter of the Lord of Blackhaven as the Dondarrions were more inside the border than the Penroses; and if in any case something happened to both Baelor and Jena, Westeros would still get a Marcher queen in the form of Aelinor Penrose.

That's why Daeron searched for Marcher maidens as wives for his two oldest sons, and it's also probable Daeron gave one of his Velaryon cousins as a bride for a Marcher House, like House Caron.

House Penrose is noted for their erudites and their vast knowledge and how much they invert on it as well as aiding House Baratheon in the Marches, note the Marcher lords were not particularly happy with having a Dornish queen and Daeron knew he would need a lot to improve those relationships, so Aelinor's marriage to Aerys' I Targaryen must have been like a double checkmate.

We don't know what exactly Aelinor looked like, maybe she did have the Valyrian look or maybe not but even if Aelinor does not look like a Targaryen or is not a Targaryen, her family history speaks a lot, and therefore could be used to enhance the Targaryens who still dominate Westeros whether they have dragons or not, having a special card of legitimacy against the Blackfyres.

Aelinor must have been part of the Court as a noble lady who would have eventually been chosen to be a princess consort. Queen Myriah could have had her as her lady-in-waiting and maybe that's why people in later generations thought she was Aerys' sister, as Myriah and Aelinor must have been close.

Credit to @alaynasansa and @tumbledrylowwest

Using the crown of Alysanne would be a symbol for Aerys' reign as Aerys I Targaryen is legitimate and that they are the rightful monarchs and will give the realm peace after all their suffering.

We don't know from what parent exactly whether Aelinor has Valyrian blood or if Aelinor being Aerys' cousin is through simply being the biological niece of Ronnel Penrose the second husband of Princess Elaena Targaryen, and then her uncle Ronnel was wed to Princess Elaena Targaryen and that's how their lines are parallel.

Also, maybe Larra Rogare's sister Marra - who had been noted to be an erudite and deeply active in politics - had married into House Penrose and eventually Marra's great-granddaughter Aelinor would marry her cousin Aerys.

After all, House Rogare did have an impact within the Targaryen family: they gave them new riches to both House Targaryen and House Velaryon, they seemed to have helped diminish the tension of Dorne with the rest of Westeros for a while due to the respective marriages of Drazenko Rogare with Aliandra Martell and that of his niece Larra with Viserys II Targaryen.

Either way valyrian genetics seem to be quite different from the other ones, being stronger in some cases and prevailing, while being run over in others either by intermarrying or even magic as it was that way they began claiming dragons; it seems that whether Aelinor had Valyrian features or not, many thought of her as a Targaryen; Marra's children must have grown up speaking both the Westerosi Common Tongue and High Valyrian as well as the Low Valyrian dialects of Lys, Tyrosh and Myr.

Just like Alyssa Velaryon (Queen Alysanne's mother) had been seen as the best match for Aenys due to her heritage, it was the same for Aelinor with Aerys; and similarly to Alysanne her marriage was a matter of great importance for the realm.

Aelinor must have been deeply respected as a lady, since it seems the smallfolk and lords never said anything bad about her in the court regarding her role as queen (note: not as the queen consort, as what made Aerys' council tell him to divorce her was the fact Aerys did not seem to be physically attracted to her), unlike with her husband who was criticized for his passive role during all his reign.

Once her uncle Ronnel married Princess Elaena Targaryen, then it would be fair to say House Penrose would be proud to say they have royal blood tied to them through two marriages. Aelinor Penrose was known as the Maiden Queen, but there was more to her. There was pride, intellect, practicality and a sense of security that it's fair to say she's one of the most interesting queens as she was visually and to some degree culturally a Targaryen and a Penrose as well. Similar to Edgar II Ætheling and/or Queen Margaret of Anjou, her family would be set apart but still be considered royalty. And even then, Aelinor would like to show everyone that she has noble blood and is part of the royal family and should be respected as such.

Aelinor would like to reflect her entire heritage through her whole life and even if she didn't have children with Aerys she would want the people to know she is the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, that her husband's claim is legitimate and that her subjects will have peace.

Edited: 25 February 2024

#aelinor penrose #house targaryen #queen aelinor #aelinor targaryen #westeros #awoiaf #a world of ice and fire #house penrose #queen aelinor penrose #marra rogare #house rogare

[asongofsilks]

ASOIAF FANCASTING --> EVERY NAMED FEMALE CHARACTER ABOVE THE AGE OF FIVE, PART XIX

Elaena Targaryen (c. 150-220 AC): Youngest child of King Aegon III and his wife Daenaera Velaryon. For the entirety of her teenage years, she was imprisoned in the Maidenvault by her older brother, Baelor I. She fell in love with Lord Alyn Velaryon and gave birth to his twin bastard children, Jon and Jeyne Waters. After he disappeared at sea, she eventually agreed to marry another after a year had passed. She was wed to the aged Lord Ossifer Plumm, but he died on their wedding night. Nine months later, she gave birth to a son, Viserys Plumm, whom some whispered had been fathered by the ruling king, Elaena's cousin Aegon. After Aegon's death, she married Lord Ronnel Penrose, Daeron II's master of coin. Daeron trusted Elaena with many matters of state, including doing her husband's job. She had four children with Ronnel, then declared that seven children was enough for her. After he died, she married once more, this time for love. Fancast: Kirsten Dunst.

Eleanor Mooton (b. 286 AC): Daughter and heir of Lord William Mooton of Maidenpool. She is wed to Dickon Tarly, the youngest son and heir of Randyll Tarly of Horn Hill, who has occupied Maidenpool at the end of the War of Five Kings. Fancast: Bella Ramsey.

Elenda Caron (b. approx. 97 AC): Wife of Lord Borros Baratheon of Storm's End, and mother to his four daughters, the Four Storms. In the Dance of the Dragons, Lord Borros was initially courted by both sides, but came out in support of Aegon II after betrothing one of his daughters to Aegon's brother Aemond. Elenda became pregnant once again during the Dance and gave birth to a boy, Royce, seven days after her husband died in battle. She ruled the Stormlands as regent until her son came of age. Fancast: Meryem Uzerli.

Elenei (Age of Heroes): The daughter of the sea god and the goddess of the wind, she loved the mortal Durran Godsgrief, who became the first Storm King. Angered at their union, her parents destroyed every castle that Durran built, until the seventh castle withstood their anger. Fancast: Andie MacDowell.

Eleyna Westerling (b. 287 AC): Younger daughter of Lord Gawen Westerling and his wife, Sybell Spicer. Her older sister, Jeyne, becomes the wife and queen of Robb Stark during the war of the Five Kings, and Eleyna and her mother and siblings join his retinue. Fancast: Bonnie Wright.

Elia Martell (256-283 AC): Daughter of the ruling Princess of Dorne and wife of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, with whom she had two children, Rhaenys and Aegon. Elia's health was ever fragile, and the maesters advised that it would be dangerous for her to bear any more children; this may have been the reason that Prince Rhaegar abducted Lyanna Stark, since he believed that he needed to have three children to fulfill an ancient prophecy. However, Rhaegar died in battle during Robert's Rebellion, and when King's Landing fell to Tywin Lannister, Elia and her two tiny children were brutally murdered at his command. Fancast: Anna Shaffer.

Elia Sand (b. 285 AC): Eldest daughter of Prince Oberyn Martell, younger brother of the ruling Prince Doran, and his paramour Ellaria Sand. She accompanies her cousin, Princess Arianne Martell, on her way to meet the Golden Company, and gets into trouble along the way. Fancast: Ivana Baquero.

Elinda Massey (b. approx. 115 AC): Lady in waiting to Queen Rhaenyra during the Dance of the Dragons. She was with Rhaenyra in King's Landing until she fled from the rioting, and landed with her on Dragonstone, where she witnessed Rhaenyra's death by her brother Aegon II's dragon, Sunfyre. Stories say that she gouged her own eyes out at the sight of Rhaenyra being devoured by the dragon. Fancast: Doutzen Kroes.

Elinor Costayne (b. 28 AC): The widow of a knight named Theo Bolling. After he was killed by the king, Maegor the Cruel, for supposedly conspiring with the Dowager Queen Alyssa to put her son Jaehaerys on the throne, she was summoned to marry Maegor in a ceremony with two other brides. All three women, known as the Black Brides, were widows and had borne children; Elinor had given her first husband three sons by the time she was nineteen. She became pregnant with Maegor's child, but the son was stillborn and deformed. After Maegor's death and the accession of Jaehaerys I, she was one of the Seven Speakers who helped convince the realm of King's Jaehaerys' fitness for the crown and the Targaryens' exceptionalism. She eventually devoted herself to the Faith of the Seven, joining the great motherhouse in Lannisport. Fancast: Joely Richardson.

Elinor Massey (b. approx. 120 AC): She was one of the noblewomen suggested as a marriage candidate for King Aegon III after the death of his first wife, Jaehaera. After it was announced that there would be a ball held on Maiden's Day for the king to choose a new wife, a tale of how she had been deflowered started to spread, probably instigated by the Hand of the King, Unwin Peake, who wanted to marry the king to his own daughter, Myrielle. Fancast: Ece Çesmioglu.

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#asoiaf fancast #valyrianscrolls #elia martell #elia sand #elinda massey #elinor massey #elinor costayne #elenei daughter of gods #eleyna westerling #elenda caron #eleanor mooton #elaena targaryen #allfancasts #asoiaf fashion

[aegor-bamfsteel]

Do you think Daemon would have named Aegor commander of the Goldcloaks if he had won?

I certainly think it’s more likely than naming him Hand of the King, or any other Small Council position; one of the reasons for the Blackfyre Rebellion was Da3ron II enriching his extended family with court positions no matter how competent they were (Ronnel Penrose, naming Baelor and Brynden to the Small Council despite their young ages), and after “agreeing to wed” Aegor and Calla (though I think that was more of a test to see if Aegor wouldn’t hurt Brynden were they to capture him), it wouldn’t do to give him a position too high. Aegor showed (at least in the Daemon wins AU) that men are willing to die on his very tough orders (I’ve read about Pickett’s Charge; even I know that running across an open field up a ridge with deadly projectiles raining down is going to result in heavy casualties), that he won’t retreat, but that he’s also prone to acting rashly when his family is concerned (despite that rashness probably saving Daemon’s life in the victory AU). He’s very disciplined, believes in meritocracy, and money is less important to him than loyalty, so at least he wouldn’t be taking bribes or extorting his men like Janos Slynt. But he’s also very young at 23 compared to some of Daemon’s senior lords/knights (Fireball, probably Lord Costayne, Lord Peake, Gareth the Grey, if you think Bulwer was a rebel then him as well), and doesn’t have experience with running an organization (though he proved an effective leader of the Rivermen); however, it seems that the Gold Cloak Commander responds to the Master of Laws, so if a more senior lord with whom Aegor works well were to fill that position, that could balance out his inexperience. Yet leading men into battle is one thing, training watchmen (the gold cloaks are not “true soldiers” according to Tyrion) is another; does Aegor have the patience and instincts to do an effective job? That’s getting into headcanon territory, although his actions in canon indicate he’s patient. It’s not a bad position for him.

Considering Aegor sort of occupied the same position for the Blackfyre boys as Quentyn Ball did for Daemon (an older man skilled at arms at least occasionally being around the young sons of a single mother), I thought it’d be interesting to see him as master-at-arms of the Red Keep. Or although the position is usually held by smallfolk, the Master of Horse (as I headcanon him as better with horses than people, due to being raised at Stone Hedge). He’d probably dislike being in King’s Landing due to his history there, but being Gold Cloak commander is an effective way to keep an eye on him, have him affect social change, while still honoring him.

#ask #asoiaf headcanon #asoiaf #aegor rivers #what if #daemon wins au

[jaenaravelaryon]

The Kingsguard of Queen Daenerys I and King Jon I of Westeros

Lord Commander Davos of House Baratheon

Ser Ermund of House Hightower

Ser Arten of House Penrose

Ser Edric of House Dayne

Ser Willem of House Redwyne

Ser Allard of House Blackwood

Ser Ronnel of House Lannister

#ts4 screenshots #sims 4 #the sims 4 #ts4 edit #asoiaf #ts4 #house baratheon #house hightower #house lannister #house dayne #house blackwood #House penrose #house redwyne #kingsguards #knight of the seven kingdoms #jonerys #game of thrones

[targsource]

TARGSOURCE CHARACTER TAGS (part 2)

Queen Consorts

• Queen Alyssa Velaryon

• Queen Ceryse Hightower

• Queen Alys Harroway

• Queen Tyanna

• Queen Aemma Arryn

• Queen Alicent Hightower

• Queen Daenaera Velaryon

• Queen Myriah Martell

• Queen Aelinor Penrose

• Queen Betha Blackwood

Spouses

• Elissa Farman

• Jocelyn Baratheon

• Rodrik Arryn

• Corlys Velaryon

• Rhea Royce

• Laenor Velaryon

• Laena Velaryon

• Corwyn Corbray

• Larra Rogare

• Jena Dondarrion

• Dyanna Dayne

• Alys Arryn

• Michael Manwoody

• Kiera

• Jenny

• Jeremy Norridge

• Elia Martell

• Lyanna Stark

Houses

• House Velaryon (Alyn Velaryon and the Velaryon children of Baela)

• House Hightower (Garmund Hightower and the Hightower daughters of Rhaena)

• House Longwaters (Jon Waters and Jeyne Waters, the bastard twins of Elaena and Alyn, and Jon's children)

• House Plumm (Ossifer Plumm and Elaena's son, Viserys Plumm)

• House Blackfyre (the children and descendants of Daemon Blackfyre)

• House Penrose (Ronnel Penrose and the Penrose children of Elaena)

• House Martell (Maron Martell and the Martell children of Daenerys)

• House Tarth (Daella's husband and the Tarth children of Daella)

• House Baratheon (Ormund Baratheon and Rhaelle's son, Steffon Baratheon)

Great Bastards

• Daemon Blackfyre

• Aegor Rivers (Bittersteel)

• Mya Rivers

• Gwenys Rivers

• Brynden Rivers (Bloodraven)

• Shiera Seastar

and the other characters tag, which includes Jeyne Westerling, Elinor Costayne, Androw Farman, Alaric Stark, Harwin Strong, Addam Velaryon, Cregan Stark, Alys Rivers, and Drogo, as well as various other Baratheons and dragonseeds; and Aegon IV's other bastards and their mothers: Megette, Bellegere Otherys, Barba Bracken, Melissa Blackwood, and Serenei.

#targsource #blog post

[atopvisenyashill]

This Is How I Can Still Win: How The Penroses Are Related to House Targaryen

SO. In case you don’t remember - you probably don’t, it’s a throwaway line and likely just George retconning and not doing it on purpose - Jeor Mormont misremembers Aelinor Penrose as being Aerys I’s sister instead of her cousin. Here’s the quote, from Jon I in A Clash of Kings:

"No, this was Aerys the First. The one Robert deposed was the second of that name.” “How long ago was this?” “Eighty years or close enough,” the Old Bear said, “and no, I still hadn’t been born, though Aemon had forged half a dozen links of his maester’s chain by then. Aerys wed his own sister, as the Targaryens were wont to do, and reigned for ten or twelve years."

Potentially, this means that Aelinor has ~the Valyrian look~ and that’s why Jeor got them mixed up. But when you look at the information surrounding the Penroses that existed in this era, it looks a little wonky because of this line from The Mystery Knight:

"At the crossing of the Mandel, he cut down the sons of Lady Penrose one by one. They say he spared the life of the youngest one as a kindness to his mother."

So how can Elaena marry Ronnel, Lord of the Parchments, only have one son, yet Quentyn Ball slew all of “Lady Penrose’s” sons? How is Aelinor related to the Penroses and the Targaryens? What woman of Targaryen blood would marry into this random ass house in the middle of Stormlands? Why was it so important to retcon Aelinor from a sister into a cousin? Well - let’s have a think about what other houses have recent Valyrian blood…we have some female lines after all…perhaps even Targaryen women that married into politically active houses, who would love to marry back into the main branch again…I wonder who that could be…..Oh what’s that? Is that-

DRAGON TWINS TIME.

Allow me to spin two family trees for you, one where Rhaena’s daughter marries into the Penroses, and one where Baela’s daughter marries into the Penroses:

(pls applaud me for the amount of math i did for this very unserious post!) green is a romantic/marriage line, black is a parental relationship.

I am noting that this would mean Alyssa (I made her name up btw, mostly because I thought it would piss Daemon off to have a Hightower named after his beloved mother) gives birth at around 34, which is a perfectly reasonable age to have a child at, and Laena gives birth at like 40, which is definitely a lil risky! BUT there’s plenty of time for Laena to have other children, and for a second born son to have had a child at that same age, so if you think it’s a stretch for Laena to have a kid at 40 (perfectly fair) just pretend there’s a son there named “Roland” or something as Aelinor’s dad and Laena’s second born.

Now, FIRST OF ALL, this makes the cousin thing make sense, but also it makes it deeply funny - Aelinor is Aerys’ great aunt’s granddaughter. That’s a close enough relationship that you would consider them a cousin but it’s also the exact relationship Robert has to Rhaegar (because Rhaegar is Robert’s great uncle’s grandson). Both Aerys and Robert avoiding incest/kinslaying on a technicality lol.

But SECOND OF ALL. Do you know what makes me absolutely fucjing feral about this. Alyn Velaryon is messing around with a woman so much younger than him. That she marries his GRANDSON. because SHE IS THE SAME AGE AS HIS GRANDSON. i feel like george is weird enough to do the Baela scenario too.

And LASTLY OF ALL. Notice there’s plenty of time for Alyssa/Laena aka Lady Penrose after she’s married, to have several sons for Quentyn Ball to slay on the Redgrass Field, including Elaena’s husband, Ronnel himself, and for Elaena’s son, Robin Penrose, to inherit the seat afterwards. It also means, since it’s mentioned that Elaena married Michael Manwoody soon after her second husband died, that the two of them got a long time together. Why is this important? Because Michael Manwoody was her marriage for love and I want Elaena to have been with him for a long time.

This scenario gives her like 9 years with Ronnel (kinda sad, their kids don’t get to know their dad very long) and a minimum of 15 years with Michael Manwoody, who is apparently not the step dad but the dad that stepped up.

#me giving myself ronnel/elaena feelings for no goddamn reason making this akskkd. also used show casting but its book canon. #valyrianscrolls #elaena targaryen #aelinor penrose #michael manwoody #rhaena of pentos #baela targaryen #rhaena targaryen #aerys i targaryen #ronnel penrose #house penrose #getting on my soap box #rani attempts meta #i realize this is basically a secret targaryen theory. but the targaryens they're descended from are THE DRAGON TWINS so its fine #also don’t talk to me about the aerys fancast. yes it’s wwe superstar sami zayn. what about it. #i wanted to fancast someone with some sort of swana heritage that could pass for white. had a bitch of a time not repeating anyone from my #dornish graphic. gave up and threw in my man sami bc he’s a white passing syrian icon. #i'm otherwise very proud of these fancasts. if we ever get the blackfyre rebellion and elaena isn't played by kylie bunbury #i'm gonna be disappointed now lol. also if you are wondering yes the aelinor and ronnel in the rhaena graphic have one (1) black grandparen #alfred molina is probably too sexy to play aegon iv but mark addy is already robert so. #also the longwaters sigil is from the asoiaf rp wiki bc i didn't want to give them a velaryon one #bc fuck alyn that's why #echoes of sansa and arya

[highgardenart]

Princess Elaena Targaryen,

Her lover Lord Alyn Velaryon; and their children, Ser Jon Waters and Jeyne Waters.

Her first husband, Lord Ossifer Plumm and their son, Lord Viserys Plumm.

Her second husband, Lord Ronnel Penrose and their children, Lord Robin Penrose, Lady Laena Penrose, Lady Jocelyn Penrose, and Lady Joy Penrose.

Her third and final husband, Ser Michael Manwoody.

#a song of ice and fire #game of thrones #asoif fanart #asoiaf #fan art #hotd #house of the dragon #digital art #house targaryen #valyrian scrolls #someone asked for them all together !

[dwellordream]

I'm pondering Elaena Targaryen's marriages and I keep wondering... why those men especially? Why did the King decide for Ronnel Penrose and Ossifer Plumm as potential husbands? Any theory?

See this post re: Plumm

And this post re: Penrose

#elaena targaryen #ask #ossifer plumm #ronnel penrose

[nobodysuspectsthebutterfly]

Kind of going off that bastard ask you received, why do you think (so far as we know) Elaena Targaryen was never treated poorly despite having twin bastards from her affair with Alyn Velaryon? If she had been shunned at all, that seems like something that would have been pointed out, but instead the fact that she had bastards is merely a passing mention. Did Daeron prohibit negative talk about her? Was she left alone because she was so beneficial in her de facto position as Master of Coin?

Wellllll… you have to consider the timeline, it helps give context.

Princess Elaena Targaryen was freed from 10 years of imprisonment in the Maidenvault in 171AC, at age 21, after her brother Baelor’s death. It’s not certain when she began her affair with Lord Alyn Velaryon (nor whether his wife Baela Targaryen was still alive at the time), but she agreed to marry Lord Ossifer Plumm in 176 AC, a year after Alyn was formally declared lost at sea. Elaena’s cousin Aegon IV became king in 172 AC.

So I’d say it’s most likely that Elaena and Alyn’s affair primarily took place during the early years of Aegon’s reign. And after King Viserys II’s sudden and mysterious death, and then with Aegon the Unworthy on the throne… going through one mistress after another (the Bracken scandal was in 172 AC), sleeping with every maiden and whore and married woman in King’s Landing (that the gold cloaks would bring to him)… quarreling with his son Daeron, accusing his sister-wife Queen Naerys of adultery… attempting to start a war with Dorne in 174 AC… Well, with all that going on, a love affair between a princess and the hero Lord Admiral Oakenfist probably wouldn’t have even been noticed.

Also, this might be a bit ficcy, but I’d bet that Elaena only discovered she was pregnant after Alyn set off on his last voyage. She had hoped to marry him, probably on his return– it may have been that they were even formally betrothed before he left. I’d think a major reason she held out for a year after he was declared dead was not just the hope that her greatest love would return to her, but also the hope that their marriage would post-facto legitimize their children Jon and Jeyne. Alas, it was not to be.

But note that it was Aegon who insisted that Elaena marry the elderly and wealthy Ossifer Plumm. You can imagine the pressure he was bringing to bear, as she was unmarried with twin bastard children… maybe Aegon was the one who shut down any potential negative talk, for her cooperation? Maybe he even offered a carrot of legitimization? Also note that it was Aegon who almost certainly fathered Viserys Plumm on Elaena after Ossifer died on their wedding night… and while it’s been speculated that Aegon was “comforting a widow”, or that she was tempted because Aegon was still handsome and not at all gross yet… maybe it was a little more hinky than that. Maybe there was pressure there, too. :/  And considering that the infant Viserys was used by Aegon to take the Plumm wealth and lands away from the more definitely legitimate heirs… well, whether Elaena had a real choice in the matter is something, knowing GRRM, that I’d be hesitant to say.

But after that extremely brief marriage and the birth of Viserys, it was at least another 7 years before Elaena married again, to Ronnel Penrose, King Daeron II’s master of coin. (Daeron came to the throne in 184 AC.) So in case you’re wondering why Ronnel might have been willing to marry a woman so touched by scandal (or even why Ossifer was), you have to remember that it had been a pretty long time since those scandals. Also, note that Elaena was really the only marriageable princess the Targaryens had to offer. Rhaena and Baela of Pentos (if widowed) would have been in their late 60s if not dead already, Naerys was dead, Daena was almost certainly dead (as she drops out of the narrative after Daemon’s birth, therefore GRRM=“she died”), Rhaena was a septa, and Daenerys was only 12. (Also Daeron was setting up the Dorne betrothal/treaty with her.) And a princess is a princess – and Elaena grew more beautiful as she grew older, per GRRM. When Daeron requested the match, I doubt Ronnel made even a peep of protest. And even though the marriage was by royal command, Elaena probably found Daeron’s requests far more pleasant than Aegon’s.

So, for the years of her second marriage, Elaena was entirely publicly respectable. She had four perfectly legitimate children. (And after her seventh child, she said if 7 was good enough for the gods, it was good enough for her, and stopped.) Ronnel had a perfectly respectable job as master of coin. (Never mind that Elaena’s brilliant mathematical mind was doing all the work.) And Daeron’s court was such a change from the decadence of Aegon the Unworthy’s, I doubt anyone would have snarked at Elaena’s (ancient) history with Alyn. Even Elaena’s son Jon Waters became a famous knight during this time. (He would have been about 12-16 at Daenerys’s wedding tourney in 187 AC – the final tilt was won by Baelor Breakspear over Daemon Blackfyre, but I bet Jon performed pretty well.)

By the time Elaena was widowed again, I sincerely doubt anyone spoke negatively about her at all. I mean, there was Bittersteel and Bloodraven and Shiera’s triangle, then Daemon’s rebellious rumblings, then the First Blackfyre Rebellion – the court gossips would have had much more interesting things to talk about than Elaena. Her romance and marriage with Michael Manwoody was likely a quiet love of 40-somethings (he played the harp for her, gosh) – perhaps not the kind of thing singers call passionate, without that touch of scandal they enjoy writing about, but just the love she needed after all that time.

Anyway, to sum up – even though a noblewoman having children out of wedlock is normally a huge problem (let alone a princess), Elaena Targaryen’s scandal with Alyn Velaryon was probably overshadowed by Aegon the Unworthy’s far greater scandals at the time. By the time his reign was over, everything was so far in the past, and she was so necessary for marriage diplomacy and her skills with money, that none of it was likely to ever get in the way of her success. I hope that helps!

#samwpmarleau #asoiaf #asoiaf meta #elaena targaryen #alyn velaryon #aegon the unworthy #daeron ii targaryen #jon waters #jeyne waters #ossifer plumm #viserys plumm #ronnel penrose #michael manwoody #house targaryen #i love elaena so much