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hircyon · 2 years

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I’m conflicted about posting this because, despite what I say, I still have a healthy self-awareness of how cringe this whole AU/crackship thing is and it takes conscious effort to post about it publicly anyway. But I wrote this bit of a larger one-shot this morning because I’m trying to put into words the complexity I want to write into Osi’s character.

I know I’m asking a lot of the audience to just believe me when I say the cold-hearted Citadel warden who ordered (and almost certainly executed) extensive torture of prisoners can still be a multifaceted person capable of sympathy and love. I know I’m woobifying him a bit; if you want to see Osi Sobeck as a cruel, one-note character, I’m not really going to convince anyone otherwise. I’m too much in my own head on this one.

But I really want to make him believable as a person who has a deep well of emotional need. He shut it off for a long time--to fulfill his duties, to survive--but once he finds a more stable post-war life and is faced with the time and energy to make something new, to redefine his purpose, that neediness beats close to the surface.

Just so happens I like to write him trauma-bonding to a man who isn’t capable of responding to that part of Osi, or seeing it in himself.

So, for context, this takes place in 0 BBY. Moralo left entirely in 2 BBY, just abandoned Osi and Nuuka without a word or a trace. He felt stifled and needed to run. It’s the only way he knows how to live. He comes back because it turns out he really is getting old, and he likes not being dead. So for two years he gets himself into trouble and spirals a bit, then walks* back into his own house in the middle of the night as if he didn’t step out for a carton of (blue) milk two fucking years ago.

This takes place some time after the bulk of their reconciliation. Osi is still figuring out how to act around Moralo, and how he feels about all of this. But the man has needs.

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Late morning sun painted streaks over their bodies, still entwined, because Osi refused to let go. He’d let his husband go once; now he felt justified in clinging like young lovers. Moralo…relented.

Osi settled in, skin warm and still a bit sticky. He just wanted to bask in the scent and sensation, Moralo’s undeniable weight against his body. There were times Osi was still afraid he would turn around and find the house empty again. That he would wake up from this dream to a cold bed, a colder reality. Which reminded him…

“I want another baby,” he rumbled, without preamble. Moralo’s whole body twitched against him, startled out of post-sex drowsiness.

“What, really? With who?”

“You.”

Moralo made a noise of disgust. “You really want another one of those things running around? At your age? Kriff—at my age?”

“I’d like to get a couple more out of you before you die,” Osi teased.

“No, really. What does it do for you? I’m curious to know what you get out of it.”

Osi paused thoughtfully. His heart knew, but he couldn’t quite grasp the feeling to describe it. Especially not to someone who never seemed to have felt love, despite Osi’s best efforts.

He’d tried to give Moralo everything—safety, space, freedom, companionship, stability, trust, sex, a beautiful daughter, unconditional fucking love. Moralo had his own way of showing affection; possessive, rough, unattached, burning affection. But it was always fleeting, like he was afraid of losing himself.

“I love Nuuka, and she accepts it. She needs it. I get to hold her and shelter her for such a short time, and watch her turn into her own person, and know that she’s ours. Our flesh and blood. I want to do that again.”

He couldn’t quite explain how it felt. Like there was something inside him, some spring of emotion bleeding freely, pooling and stagnating. How children needed that genuine and endless love. How he needed a vessel to pour it into.

Osi really pitied Moralo at times. He tried not to show it. But how could he not? There was no way of knowing how the man had grown up, but something had trained him to reject genuine love. Like a bent sapling, he had grown into this twisted shape, cutting himself off from his own need for affection.

Osi refused to believe it had never been there at all.

Moralo made a dismissive tch noise through his teeth. “You’re still so sentimental.”

True. Osi was overcome with a sudden need to make the older Phindian breathless and powerless. To communicate to him in the only way Moralo knew.

#*he actually picked the lock #he broke into his own house bc he'd lost the keycode #hircy writes #in case anyone else is invested in this crackship or just morbidly curious #here you go

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ourimpavidheroine · 4 years

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It’s been such a wild ride these past weeks as folks finish watching ATLA on Netflix and then move on to TLOK. There’s been a sudden resurgence of Wuko shipping and my hits/kudos reflect it, as does a reemergence of fanart and fanfic for what was first a crackship (although never by me) and then a rarepair.

It’s been so dead for years! There’s been such a bare few of us that have remained active that I know exactly who each and every one of them are and now suddenly new names are appearing.

Most of the people reading my fic on AO3 stop once I timeskip 10 years in the future. I get it; they come for Wuko, not their kids or anyone else. It does seem a pity to me since my writing has improved considerably with these later fics but hey, people know what they want to read, so. It’s there for folks to read however they want to.

I’ll tell you, though. I have gotten a few anon messages asking me why I timeskipped and/or started writing about the Beifongs and/or Qi and you know what? I’m not answering those. Imagine, if you would, walking up to a mother with two teenagers and a toddler and asking her why she would bother having another baby when you’d rather just get to know the teens. I do realize that most of them are not trying to be rude (well, one of them was for SURE trying to be rude) but that’s a really thoughtless thing to ask a writer. Writers write for two reasons: either it is a story they want to tell or it is a story that someone is paying them to write. Last time I checked no one was paying me for any of this so the answer to that question is I am writing what I want to write. No one is forcing anyone to read it! I’m not going to defend or justify what I am writing, however. That’s just foolishness.

I appreciate that some people might prefer to read fic that is happening either during or very close to canon, but I’ve told that story the way I wanted to tell it and I’ve moved on. I don’t take commissions because I’m not, at this point, interesting in writing any other stories but mine. And that’s why I will continue to do that and why I won’t be answering anyone who asks me why I bothered with a good four years worth of writing that I put so much time, effort and love into because they don’t feel like reading it.

#manners people #have some manners #also how about a thank you #instead of a demand for something else I didn't write

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nyxelestia · 7 years

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Let me assure you, Nyx, that Hoechlin's comments on Sterek (I think you're mainly referring to his comment about Sterek being disrespectful), has by no means been forgotten, and absolutely not in one week lol! Just yesterday there was a long discussion on it between many of my mutual Stereks. The difference about Hoechlin and Posey's comments, though, is the spiteful nature of Posey's comments. He also hasn't tried to apologize or explain his comments, not even to save face, like Hoechlin. 1/2

There are many of us who are very disappointed in Hoechlin, and who are now side-eyeing him. I think there’s a truth to the saying that you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Lastly, another difference between Hoechlin’s and Posey’s statements is that Hoechlin replied to a question to him, while Posey hijacked a question not directed at him to take out his frustration on fans. 2/2

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Do you have any links where I can read up on how Sterek fans harassed Posey into calling Sterek fans bizarre, weird and twisted?

I’m pretty sure you are two separate people, but since my response is mostly the same, I’m lumping you into one post.

A slice of what Posey had been dealing with:

People literally not knowing that that his character is the main character of the show, or sometimes not even knowing he’s in it at all.

Panels and cons about Teen Wolf getting constantly derailed by Sterek. There have been bans on Sterek fanart, and Hoechlin avoiding signing Sterek fanart, as a result.

And as someone on Reddit point out (on a post about how Tyler Hoechlin finds Sterek to be disrespectful), the cast and crew may appreciate the publicity and support, but that doesn’t mean the sheer prevalence of the fandom ship doesn’t burn, given, “…it is slightly insulting to the cast and crew. They’re pouring their efforts into doing X, and all they get asked about is Y. Also…people are practically leering at these guys when they ask about it usually.”

Literally cutting Posey out of gifs and pictures to make it about Hobrien (aka RPF Sterek).

Calling for the show to kill off Tyler Posey and make someone else the main character.

It’s not just “shitty people being shitty on the Internet” - this has had ripple effects on cons that Posey has absolutely noticed.

And it’s not just racism - there’s misogyny, too!

Complete with tremendous victim-blaming of Allison.

We don’t see it as much now, but Allison hate was extremely widespread, back then. And this absolutely hit the actress - such as being asked, in a con, “Is Allison going to dress like a slut this season?” So it’s not just Posey watching himself get marginalized - it’s watching a friend of his get mistreated, too, and that’s on top of the overall show getting drowned in a fanon/crackship.

Also, the fact that people claim Posey insulted or slammed on Sterek fans is one of the ways people twist him into something he’s not in order to justify hating him.

Posey never called Sterek fans “bizarre or twisted”. He called the ship that, which sucks - it hurts when someone you like looks down on something you like.

But as so many other Sterek shippers themselves have pointed out, he already had a really shitty history with Sterek fans and fandom.

Given how often Sterek fandom has overtaken everything else about the show, I don’t blame him for overtaking this single question.

Quoting from another Sterek shipper on Poseygate:

“It’s like going up to an actor playing Hamlet each night after the performance and asking him what it’s like playing… Macbeth. Eventually, the guy playing Hamlet isn’t going to want to talk about Macbeth any more… and will get a little pissy when you continue to badger him about it.

When fans and the press focus on the Sterek phenomenon and ignore almost every other aspect of the show, you are not only ignoring the incredible fact that a young Latino is the lead in a popular television show, you are also ignoring the story that everyone who works on Teen Wolf is trying to tell you.”

His word choice was terrible, but Posey was speaking out not against fans of Sterek, but, “anyone who pays more attention to Sterek than the show”. As some of the aforelinked Redditors have pointed out,

“if you’re only watching for Sterek, there’s a 99 percent chance it won’t happen, and you’re missing the rest of the show.”

As another one said,

“It’s okay to watch Teen Wolf for inspiration for Sterek. It’s not okay to demand that the creators include it or to insist the actors discuss fanart/fanfiction about their characters when they are at an interview/panel expecting to discuss the show.”

Yet after “Posey gate”, people were saying Posey needs to get raped (by Hoechlin, no less).

All of this is accompanied by a long history of hatred of Scott - the main character of the show, and Posey’s character - that was largely perpetuated by Sterek fandom. Things like:

Claiming that the show is all about Stiles.

Injecting Sterek-derived Scott hate onto non-Sterek fanart (Sterek derived in that the language, argument, and intent are all derived of Sterek fandom), and saying that Scott needs to die.

People trying to remove Scott from his own story by claiming it’s really about Derek and that everything is from Stiles’ POV, and if he isn’t actually in the scene, we should just assume it was “told” to him and may never have actually happened (which conveniently means you get to ignore quite a bit of Scott’s storyline and development, as well as many of the other characters’ evil and villainy).

Erasing all of Scott’s (and Derek’s!) character development.

All on top of a long history of erasing Derek’s abusive behavior while calling Scott a rapist and victim-blaming him.

Calling Scott selfish for making tough decisions to save as many lives as possible in really shitty circumstances, such as falsely accusing someone he thought to be dead of murder to protect his peers (and then still trying to help Derek anyway, even when Stiles didn’t want to); blaming Scott for Gerard’s villainy and making a choice to save as many people as possible (especially while ignoring some of the Hale mens’ own actions), and erasing Scott scenes to paint him as putting Stiles and Derek in danger so he can spend time with his girlfriend.

And the rest of us can’t avoid it.

For all that people claim Scott-stans and non-Sterek fans go into Sterek tags to bully them, most Sterek fans seem to have no idea just how much Sterek infects other fandoms/the rest of fandom.

People will make non-Sterek fanart, and it still gets tagged as Sterek - even when the post is captioned with Scott, or when there’s some pretty clear disparities in skin tone.

They turned a picture of Stiles and Scott into a post about Sterek. And somehow a Scerek fanart became a Sterek post.

And we’re all supposed to be grateful because turning non-Sterek fanworks into Sterek and getting reblogged by Sterek fans will give it more notes.

Yes, there were crazy fans from all ships sending hate to all the actors, for a variety of reasons.

But, something a lot of people fail to realize is the sheer scale of the Sterek fandom compared to all the rest of Teen Wolf fandom combined. The numbers may have been even worse back then.

The last two paragraphs of that link, neatly summarize why I side-eye a lot of the claims that Sterek fans were unfairly bullied, especially by Scott fans, and my sentiments on the matter overall:

And this is just a sampling of some of what this fandom throws in Scott’s direction (and not even bringing in the shit and the fuckery that they throw at Tyler Posey). So, yeah. In conclusion: you are not a special and unique snowflake because you hate Scott McCall; you are falling in line with about 90% of the rest of the fandom on this count (at least). It is not hard to be a Scott McCall hater in this fandom just because a handful of vocal people call you on your shit when the reasons you give for hating Scott are hot problematic nonsense; most of your fellow fans agree with you and think you’re being unfairly bullied when people criticize you.

No one is saying that you are required to like Scott McCall—but when the majority of the fandom hates him, demeans him, demonizes him, belittles him, flings ableist and racist shit at him on a regular basis, mischaracterizes him in order to valorize their faves, and actively wishes death on him (usually so Stiles or Derek can become the star of the show), and when this behavior and these attitudes are not only common but actively encouraged and supported, with an undercurrent that suggests, “but why would anyone ever like Scott, I don’t like Scott so clearly no one else would ever like him either”? Then yes, people have a right to be pissed off.

In conclusion, as I’ve literally already said before:

If my understanding of a ship was predominantly made up of people erasing me from my own TV show, saying I deserved to be raped and murdered, and making the rest of my friends uncomfortable or harassing them in the process? “Bizarre and twisted” would be the nicest way to say what I think of them.

(In my case, it really is.)

#tyler posey #scott mccall defense squad #teen wolf fandom problems #teen wolf fandom racism #racism in fandom #teen wolf fandom meta #anti teen wolf fandom #teen wolf fandom #anti sterek fandom #nyxie answers #long post #for the record i actually tried to put this under a cut #but that fucked up my paragraphs and with this many links i'm too tired to do it properly #so yeah #you just get a long post tag i'm sorry #Anonymous

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