#natla show crit

[autism-alley]

ik it’s been forever in internet time but i’m gonna die mad abt the way the live action atla show got a good amount of backlash and criticism from the fanbase meanwhile the pjo show was THAT horrendous and the fanbase treats critics like they’re out to kill their mother. as someone in both fandoms am i crazy bc i keep fucking seeing people say yes 💀 like!! these shows, whose original series were both about a 12 year old boy born with godlike powers going on quests with his friends to save the world, released in the 2000s, and had a shitty movie adaptation, now reboots released within weeks of each other, both committed nearly identical crimes of character assassination, exposition dumping, dumbing down their source material, sanitizing “problematic” elements (that the characters originally had to overcome), and wasting actor potential (also at least live action atla had good action scenes CANNOT say the same for the pjo show)—and i’m seeing like mainstream(ish) social media coverage of new atla show critique by people with millions of followers all across different sites, but nothing even close to that for the pjo show?? if that coverage exists for the pjo show somebody fucken send it to me bc like!! the pjo series is Not an unpopular series, i get it’s a book series and not a tv series so i didn’t expect the popularity to be exactly the same, but Damn! i feel like i need an hours long video essay comparing the two audience reactions to these series’ first season releases bc they were WIDLY different

#i need a full blown analysis someone pls scratch the itch in my brain i can’t put it all into words #like atla remake had the og creators packing their bags meanwhile author of pjo out here lying to his fans abt the show #what the fuck is that about #anyways this is a petty post and not my best put #not directed at the atla fanbase at all!! none of the pettiness for y’all #i am looking the pjo fandom dead in the eyes like just?? #why the fuck pjo fans gaslighting the hell out of anybody who breathes wrong on the show?? #like actual gaslighting. that term gets thrown around a lot but i mean gaslighting for real even from people in my personal life #the atla fandom has its Moments don’t get me wrong i’m in both but can we have a little bit of sanity in the pjo show fandom #pjo show crit #pjo tv crit #anti pjo show #and i guess #natla show crit #anti natla #natla criticism

[ruegarding]

see the problem w adaptations is that they get too confident. if you're changing something, it needs to be better than the original. it needs to add something. every. single. change. if you start changing everything bc u want to or bc you can, you start losing the things that made the original story good and unique.

#natla crit #pjo show crit #🪸 #putting this here bc i don't want pjo stuff on my main blog lol #i liked atla more than pjo but both were mid

[itsmoonpeaches]

Episode 4 of the Netflix Avatar series was so bad. I would've quit the show right then and there if I hadn't watched it with someone else. It sucks because after that episode 5 was really enjoyable, and creative, showed us scenes that were so strong, and combined lore in a way that I loved. Then I think about how episode 4 exists.

#episode 4 was the worst episode in tv i can think of that i've ever seen in a long while #i think it actually brought down the show a lot #hopefully we continue on the trajectory of ep 5 because i can't believe i'm still thinking about how bad ep 4 was even after watching ep 5 #natla #atla #netflix atla #avatar the last airbender #natla crit

[kay-lalala]

So far its a WAY better adaptation that PJOTV imo. I don't agree with some choices tho like Aang knowing what happened to the air benders before going to the air temple takes away so much of the emotion? And there is a lot of exposition and awkward dialogue. It also feels rushed of course like they cut stuff like the penguin sledding. Has some funny moments though and visually it looks really good and the actors are well chosen.

This just shows that pjo could have done SO much better because Netflix ATLA and PJOTV have literally the same episode budget

#pjo show crit #natla #atla

[sabreurs]

natla thoughts/critiques in no particular order

let's not girlboss too close to the sun

we need fun silly time w the trio. i want to see them just hang out

zuko needs to say the word "honor" at least once. maybe more. idk why i just think it'd be neat

less dramatic pausing. pls. it's ruining the flow.

before mashing things like wan shi tong and hei bei and koh together, let's ask ourselves, are we doing too much? the answer is yes.

katara teaches aang to waterbend. AND. aang focuses on earthbending. pls his bending is important let's focus on this in s2

let's have katara win more things (like arguments) ok. also can she hold grudges. for me

instead of iroh telling ppl what to do/feel, have him actually advise ppl (zuko). he offers guidance. remember that

um. why were mai and ty lee there. figure that out

why is zuko attacking katara when she's curled into a ball having a flashback and not a threat. what is this

the fish. no thanks.

MOMO??????

why is katara not explicitly the reason aang was freed from the iceberg. what did this change achieve

#maybe there's more idk but that's the main things i'm thinking abt a week after finishing the show #natla #natla spoilers #natla crit #feels silly to add that tag considering the posts i've seen but #🪸

[autism-alley]

i don't know if you answer asks but you're one of the few blogs still consistently posting pjo tv crit and it's been such a relief. with the amount of praise it's gotten i feel so gaslit like am i just being a baseless hater?? but no there's a reason a lot of the people criticizing the show are writers. it's a poorly written show and the more i think about it the more problems i find

like i was thinking about the way the kids in the show just know everything and how boring it is to watch, especially the casino scene, and something hit me

the lotus casino functions perfectly as a metaphor for traits associated with adhd--the need for stimulation and time blindness. anyone would fall for the casino's lure, but especially adhd kids. the fact that the show takes that away is REALLY weird to me, to put it kindly

if i were being less kind? i would say there's grounds to argue that having these characters, who are children with adhd, be impervious to something that is designed to trap people exactly like them is, on some level, erasure of their disabilities. especially since the one character who does get affected by it is the one who doesn't have the same neurodivergencies as the two who don't. the explanation for why percy and annabeth didn't start to forget themselves was such a lazy cop out and i can't believe people ate it up

i don't know what that writers' room has against literal adhd children falling for traps that are designed to trap people, but it's embarrassing for them tbh

i’m so glad to hear it anon!! i’m a little surprised to hear it too tbh, i wasn’t sure if anyone else was still. interested in discussing it? it seems like the pjo/atla fanbase overlap means most people have moved onto to the live action atla show. and while i am an atla fan, i didn’t grow up with the show the same way i grew up with the pjo books, so based on what we’d already seen/heard of the natla show before it even released + my utter disappointment and heartbreak regarding the pjo show, i decided to spare myself the watch. i would rather keep my memories of the original show untainted; what i have seen of the show resonates with people’s criticisms of the writing (and as someone who has done costuming work. one look is all you need to understand THAT criticism lmfao).

but i’m honestly… surprised? the pjo show did not get the same level of criticism as the natla show? it’s not like pjo is not also very popular with that same generation, sure, atla being a show perhaps made it more appealing and accessible to more kids, etc etc, sure. but from the fan bases themselves, size aside? proportionately? the pjo fandom is FULL of show defenders just blatantly ignoring the show’s major foundational issues if not just outright parading them around as successes, meanwhile the critics are in the minority. compare that with what i’ve seen where the complete opposite is true of the atla fandom, it’s weird!! and especially jarring to me bc it seemed pretty clear to everyone in the atla fandom the show had Issues, meanwhile the pjo fandom heard the promise from rick riordan’s very own mouth this show is going to be faithful to the series’ spirit. it’s so weird to see the wildly different responses to what i think are prolly equally bad reboot shows, with a fandom of similar demographics (clearly not the SAME demographics or the response would prolly be more aligned but you get my point). so i agree anon, i do feel a little gaslit by the pjo fandom, and watching the atla fandom’s very reasonable response to the natla show is like. whiplash. another sign you and i are not losing it lmao

as for the lotus casino, this is an excellent point! i don’t even think it can be called unkind to point out how this episode is a symptom of the show’s overall disability erasure. i would say it’s unkind of the show to erase adhd and dyslexia representation. in fact, because of the explicit promise by its creator to see that representation, i would go as far as to call it cruel to then erase it. if anything, based on rick’s promises to add more representation, i was hoping for elements like autistic annabeth confirmation, since when pjo was first written, it was based off rick’s son and his friends who were all ND, and at the time it wasn’t thought to be possible to be AuDHD, but likely some of those kids probably were (and that then made its way into the books in characters like annabeth!). that would have been the perfect opportunity to add something with the foresight of modern times, but instead we got… absolutely no disability rep from the show aside from a few short lines of dialogue as a lame-ass bone-toss to the book fans.

the pjo show’s biggest crime is its lack of spirit of the original book series, and that book series cradled myself and every other ND child or child in an abusive situation who read it. it offered us a mother who never got angry with us when we showed “difficult” symptoms. it offered us camp half-blood, the idea of a place, a home, where people like us were not just accepted, but thrived. it offered us a new world. it offered us a friend in percy jackson. i do not feel the show truly offers anything substantial. it only takes.

#anon going ‘i’m so glad you’re still posting pjo show crit’ had me whipping my head around like ‘YOU ARE?’ #so thank you anon lmao #i’m still like. marinating in the idea of making a pjo discord server (where crit is welcome) #i don’t know if anyone would still be interested now the like. hype/reverse hype for the show is dying down #and truly excellent point i had not been able to put my finger on why that scene got under my skin so bad #pjo show crit #pjo tv crit #ris raves