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Let's say Yuanzhi does something bad, would Shangjue betray the Gong family for him? Or would he choose family over his didi?
I think the answer to this will depend on the version of Shangjue that the situation is being posed to
Are we talking about the Shangjue that we met at the beginning of the show?
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Or are we talking about the Shangjue we met at the end?
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Because my answer will depend on that.
If we are talking about the RBF-card-that-never-declines, then I would say, No. He wouldn't betray the family for him and he wouldn't choose Yuanzhi over the family. That man is someone who doesn't see himself as anything more than just a vessel for his family's interests.
I mean. We already know he was willing to let Yuanzhi be imprisoned, though yes he did give the caveat that Yuanzhi must NOT be harmed, his exact words iirc were "if he died under suspicious means". Someone correct me coz my brain is a bit of buzz.
If we are talking about the Shangjue we met at the end of the show, we should also note that that is a version of Shangjue that has been tempered enough by purpose and drive to do this 👇🏼
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Dude deadass rocked up to essentially his clan leader's abode, straight up said bitches better let my baby bro loose or else I'm gonna huff and puff and blow your fucking house down. And every single one of the people there knew he meant it.
And I think that the Shangjue that is formed by the end of the show is someone who is more settled within himself. Less bogged down by his place in the family and how he can serve it. I do think that he is more open, or at least more open, about the idea that he does have a favourite didi; even if he wouldn't hesitate to look out for the rest of his kin (the reveal of him being the one to leave that note that helped ziyu master his moves will remain one of my favourite things about that last arc of this show)
Also, it just may be a "me" thing but gaddamn Lei Lei's face in this scene. The rage. The pure discontent. The sheer THREAT that came right from his chest because HOW DARE THEY (╬ಠ益ಠ) I would pay good money to see him level the whole of Yu residence tho. Who is with me and who do we need to bribe.
I think on some level, should it ever come to Yuanzhi doing some fucked up shit that violates the precepts of the Gong family, the first thing Shangjue -- regardless of the version -- will do is ask for Yuanzhi's reasoning because he's not about to make a judgement without knowing the cause for that action. Yuanzhi's brash and young, but he's the furthest thing from stupid. Shangjue would never tolerate stupidity.
Then, once satisfied with Yuanzhi's reasons, he would murder and bury anyone who could incriminate Yuanzhi. The next thing he would do is confine Yuanzhi to his side where he can see him (lbr that brocon would love it) and where he can't get up to mischief. Because while Shangjue may not put Yuanzhi above family, it doesn’t mean he isn’t wholly and utterly devoted to Didi.
He would keep him safe to the best of his ability. In a way that the family wouldn't be dragged into it and he wouldn't have to make a choice.
@romchat you wanna jump in on this, fam? ~ヾ(^∇^)
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Hit my ask box with anything Mysterious Lotus Casebook related: meta requests, prompts, general thoughts and chatter about something you'd been thinking about. etc
I'll respond through the week with meta or a drabble or something.
Previous replies [here] in case you missed my earlier responses. All the MLC ones are done - still writing up a thing about Wufeng for MJTY.
Anyway - any characters for MLC, or thoughts, or anything.
if you want me to babble about relationships, the ones im interested in: Wudi, Difang, Dihua, OT3, dfs x FDB's parents (lmao), dfs x shan gudao
Also some additional ideas:
dfs + hulijing
wuyan + hulijing
qwm and dfs parallels
jlq and dfs parallels
send me an image you like
send a youtube link to a song
sigu sect and jinuan alliance economics, politics and cultural impact on jianghu
(Basically I need to keep my brain active while trying to stay up all night)
Feel free to send me more than one.
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WIP Title Game
Thanks for the tag @14carrotghoul
Rules: post the names of all the files in your WIP folder, regardless of how non-descriptive or ridiculous. Let people send you an ask with the title that most intrigues them, and then post a little snippet or tell them something about it! and then tag as many people as you have WIPs.
I know my core audience on this blog is mostly rwrb peeps but I've gotten into a lot of cdramas/c-ent recently so I've got a couple of ideas cooking for those fandoms as well. Pick what you want based on the fandoms you're into! (Or don't and venture into the unknown lol)
difanghua thoughts [mlc/lhl]
hello saturday [ajtl/yngs]
id lie [rwrb]
june wait for it [rwrb]
noteworthy au [rwrb]
oceans echo au [rwrb]
orange au [orv]
orv au [mlc/lhl]
philip innocent [rwrb]
yuanzhi angst [mjty/yzy]
bonus: every time my heart swings back to you (since I'm not technically done writing it) [rwrb]
definitely echoing carrot on being one of the last ones to do this so just tagging a few peeps who I don't think have yet @formorewishes @raysletters @sherryvalli @daisymae-12 @cheesecurdsgravyandfries @celaestis1 @adreamareads and passing onto a different fandom space with @bbcphile
also if any of y'all have meta in the works I'd love to see those included in your wips list
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In your opinion, how many years difference is there between Zishang, Shangjue, Ziyu and Yuanzhi? In the flashbacks there didn't seem to be much difference between Ziyu and Yuanzhi but the latter is treated like an entitled child while everyone expects everything from Ziyu.
Hm… based on the info we got, I reckon the gap between Yuanzhi and Ziyu with Shangjue and Zishang could be at least 5 to 6 years? Maybe less between Zishang and Ziyu?
For me, Ziyu and Yuanzhi could be a short year or two at max in terms of age difference.
Alright. Okay.
Addressing the “entitled child” commentary.
We did watch the same revelation that Ziyu’s dad was hard on him on purpose right? He straight up put Ziyu through the wringer coz he wanted him to “toughen up”. Who said Ziyu wasn’t pampered by his dad when he was younger? He was obviously doted upon until a certain age.
And the “everyone expects everything from Ziyu”? Fam. The dude is a straight up dandy because no one expected anything from him. While his dad might have said that he should get more involved in familial things, with his position in the family as Zhiren, did you think the dude could actually enforce that as a command? Instead, Ziyu is allowed to be wilfully idle.
In comparison to Yuanzhi:
Yuanzhi who is already holding a position of responsibility and command in the family even though isn’t yet crowned (of age)
Yuanzhi who is the poison master/prodigy of a generation; one that Elder Yue risked punishment to sneak out into the front hill to take a peek at (seriously. The back hill boys are freaks of nature so how insane must he be to have piqued their interests like that)
Yuanzhi who we know Shangjue had to acclimatise to being around other people/teach how to emote & socialise with others
Yuanzhi who probably knew very early on that there were eyes on him as Gong Shangjue’s precious person, as someone that Shangjue helped to raise, knew that he had to perform to a certain standard?
Tell me. Who do you think had more of everything expected of them?
[Edit To Add: the horse race for the next Zhiren was down to Gong Huanyu and Gong Shangjue. NO ONE was expecting Ziyu to ascend to the position. If there was any expectation on that front, it would be to stop hanging out with the prozzies so much and drink a little less coz think of your liver omfg. The dude was two shakes away from packing a bag and bouncing from The Valley and if everything hadn’t gone down the way it did, I’m dead sure he would have gone through with it and his dad wouldn’t have stopped him]
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The original meta thread between @romchat and I was getting a little too long so I thought I would take the initiative to start a new one 😌
So here are my thoughts about the light colours in Yun Weishan’s wardrobe as per that original thread. I won’t be talking about all the wardrobe choices, just the ones that stood out to me.
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We start off by seeing her start her journey into the Gong family in red. That’s the colour that she carries with her into The Valley and that’s how Ziyu sees her for the first time. Not much to say here, just establishing her as a bride candidate.
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Then we see her as she is living in the hostel. She’s dressed in white. To signify purity? A crossroad of choices? What’s fascinating is the embroidery there. I can’t make out what it is, but I’m sure it was an intentional and deliberate choice. This show doesn’t do accidents, I feel.
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Once chosen, she is predominantly dressed in black with gold and red accents and designs. @romchat said that it is to tie and complement the wardrobe colouring on Ziyu’s clothes, and I agree.
I like that the red is just a cut of colour on her. Not dominant in her colour palette but just there. Enough to remind you that she is meant to be here to marry into the family (red) but it is hidden under subterfuge (black).
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Then we also get this one. I love how the red bled through a lot more in the fight between her and Jin Fan. An indication of her shifting loyalties? A wavering of the foundation?
From the looks of it, this one had a bit of purple injected into it. Subtle enough that in certain lighting it still looks black, but upon closer inspection, you can see the way it flashes.
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Then we come to this scene. Her and Ziyu were like two peas in a pod and I think it is in this scene that they’re the most complementary in colour palettes to each other. I deeply adore the golden stitching of clouds on her clothes. Don’t you think they look a little like clouds at a sunrise?
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Then we come to this number. A lilac shade. Following the theme of a sunrise perhaps? @romchat had pointed out that between this and the mint number she wore when getting poisoned by the trickbox given by Lady Wuji, these are the two “lighter” colour shades we see on her.
Fascinating when you think it’s definitely standing out from the rest of the darker & heavier draped characters.
Rom said that it perhaps symbolises her acceptance of her freedom and her place by Ziyu’s side. I’d like to also agree on this point and add that it is possibly her way of coming out of the night (divorce with Wu Feng) and firmly settling into the new era of her life.
Also, can we just also appreciate how different Esther Yu is on this show? I’ve only ever seen her in very happy, bright, and sunny roles, which kinda befits how she portrays herself in her public persona. It’ll be interesting to see what other type of roles she could possibly grow into in the future.
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That's exactly what he meant about Ziyu, everyone except everything in a blink without caring about who he was. A person can't change in a day.
As for his father he was shit as a parent you can't let your child do everything then expect that one day he will choose duty over freedom.
For Yuanzhi I still stand in my position and call him entitled. First he openly attacked Ziyu in front of the brides for no reason, he didn't show him respect when he was chosen as Zhiren (Shangjue did even if he didn't like it), he tried to bad mouth young elder Yue, he poisoned a girl and killed a housekeeper without a second thought, he put himself in danger just because he knew his brother had his back, he talked back to his brother wife.
I don't mean he is a bad person but I don't see his attitude much differently from Ziyu's. The real difference was that Ziyu was public shamed by hi father (and Yuanzhi was pleased by it) while Yuanzhi was backed up and pampered by Shangjue.
Ps. Sorry for my bad English.
Oh no, you’re cool don’t worry about it, I understood you just fine. Which is why I’m going to treat this as a query coming from a basis of good faith.
You can believe he is “entitled”, but lets just have a look at what that word actually means as per the dictionary definition
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First he openly attacked Ziyu in front of the brides for no reason
Oh wow. Okay. We have only gotten this small sliver of a glimpse into their lifelong relationship with each other. Who is to say that this isn't par for the course when it comes to their interactions with each other?
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has complicated relationships with members of their family and every time we meet or gather, must put on a smiling face to deal with the snarky/sarcastic remarks and the occasional physical assault that is always passed off with a "I'm just joking". Not excusing anything, but my parameters for what "attacking" might be skewed here.
No apparent reason? Have you ever met anyone whose sheer existence is reason enough for you to have a distaste for them?
he didn't show him respect when he was chosen as Zhiren (Shangjue did even if he didn't like it)
Okay, I've said this in one of my previous treatises about Yuanzhi, but Yuanzhi is literally an employee for the Gong family. When you work for an entity/institution/corporation, the decisions made by upper management will trickle down to you and affect your work.
It's quite literally the worst things about working btw.
But I digress.
Let's put this out there; Ziyu was not CHOSEN to be the Zhiren, he was the ONLY ONE AVAILABLE, and therefore they had to go with him. We know he rose up to the challenge and will prove himself a capable simp to his wife Zhiren, but at the time when Yuanzhi "didn't show him respect", what was Ziyu most known for? That's right. Being a drunk who spends too much time in the whorehouse and has no wits for the family business.
Was Yuanzhi "entitled" for backing his apparently disrespect towards someone who DID NOT work for his position? Was Yuanzhi "entitled" to flaunt the fact that he IS the person everyone turns to for poisons/knowledge about cures? No. Every attitude he and Shangjue gave is backed up by their track record of service to the Gong Family.
Respect isn't given, it's earned. At that point of time, has Ziyu (bless him) done anything to be earning the respect as Zhiren? No.
Let me also remind you of the scenes where Ziyu returned Yuanzhi's hidden weapons that Shangguan Qian filched and when Yuanzhi gave Ziyu the Chuyan Chonglian meant for Shangjue after the battle with Wufeng.
Tell me. Do you remember what was the most important thing in those scenes? That's right. Respect earned by Ziyu as the Gong Family's Zhiren that Yuanzhi gives willingly. Yuanzhi literally poured him a cup of tea under the guise of not wanting to owe him a favour; Yuanzhi literally giving him the special flower he painstakingly raised to keep his brother safe. You know. The one person this crazy poison didi is a brocon for?
he tried to bad mouth young elder Yue
And after Shangjue tells him that Elder Yue is someone he has to respect, what did he do? I keep saying this about Yuanzhi but I think it bears repeating; he's young, he's egoistical, he's brash, but he's the furthest thing from stupid. And Shangjue is his moral compass.
If you are then talking about the scene where he was captured in Yu residence for snooping, bruh. Be for fucking reals here. Please meet me in the middle. The dude saw something shady going on. Didi legit heard Yun Weishan admit that she's from Wu Feng. Didi heard the admission that Elder Yue was working to collude with an agent of Wu Feng. Fam, please. I'm pretty sure you can see the bigger picture.
he poisoned a girl and killed a housekeeper without a second thought
Ok? And? Yuanzhi was brought up under a precept of rules that pretty much had no mercy and a kill-first-ask-later policy. I'm failing to see how this is entitled behaviour.
he put himself in danger just because he knew his brother had his back, he talked back to his brother wife.
Okay? And? I'm seriously failing to see how this is entitled behaviour?
Shangjue is his most precious person and obviously the one person in the show's universe that he can trust with his life and have his back. When you have someone like that that you trust so implicitly, why wouldn't you have the belief that they'll come through for you? Which Shangjue has obviously done time and time and again for him? And something Yuanzhi will do for Shangjue too?
And about the wife comment. The woman is a suspected Wu Feng agent. Him and Shangjue deadass DO NOT TRUST her. They may buy into certain aspects about her dog and pony show, but they definitely trust her about as far as they can throw her. Which is a very short distance. Is a bit of sass and snark back talking? Perhaps if you take it that way. The way I see it, Shangguan Qian is very amused by Yuanzhi's jealous little wife act and is actually very entertained. To her and her smiling wiles, Yuanzhi is worth the effort to tease and toy with. Like a cat batting at a ball of yarn.
And furthermore, who is indulging the back talking? Shangjue. The exact person who is the center of the power play.
And again, I fail to see how this is, as the literal dictionary definition, "entitled" behaviour.
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You wanna talk about entitled behaviour? Let's look at Ziyu. Let me just list some closing arguments off the top of my head coz I need to go pee:
Ziyu who feels entitled to Gong Yuanzhi's help when the man from the outpost collapses in front of his carriage even though Jin Fan had protested with valid reasons
Ziyu who was entitled enough to waltz into the bride candidates hostel just to talk to Yun Weishan even though the senior maid told him she could get into trouble and he isn't allowed in there
Ziyu who felt entitled enough to start ordering people about as Zhiren even though he doesn't have the a) credentials and proven track record for leadership b) hasn't even completed the Trials of the Three Realms
I love Ziyu but if you really want to talk about "entitled" behaviour,
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Also, I don't know if by "pampered by Shangjue" is also the equivalent to "letting your didi get taken off to jail where there's a chance some guard might get a little trigger happy and torture him", but wow. That's some D/S level pampering.
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If the Yue clan is a poison based clan then why Gong yuanzhi is famous for the poison adept tho?? Because we can see Yue has more knowledgeable (im not sure??) Or Gong Yuanzhi is more good at it and knowledgeable??
Okay, let's just run through what we know. MJTY peeps please feel free to correct me on any of these points.
Zhi lineage is the one directly connected to medicine/the clan clinic so we can assume that Yuanzhi would have always been meant to be raised in that vein.
Him being famous for his poisons was clearly stated that it's because he's a prodigy (Young Master Yue broke clan rules by sneaking out of the back hill to have a peek at Yuanzhi's chuyun chonglian.
I believe that we can posit that the line between poison and medicine is a very thin one. Too much of a good thing may become a bad thing and all that, so to say that one lineage is 'superior' than the other is kinda reaching here. It's an established fact no matter the branch of medicine you believe in that poisons can be used as medicine, medicine can be poison if you aren't too careful with it.
From what I have seen, the Yue and Zhi lineages play off each other -- Yue lineage develops the poisons in the back hill, Zhi lineage is the front facing (i mean, makes sense).
Again, Yuanzhi's a prodigy. Meaning he has talent with poisons that, we can also safely assume, "surpasses" that of the Yue lineage.
But that would be putting it lightly wouldn't it? Because we also know that Yuanzhi's super good with poisons for the reason that he tests them out on himself instead of testing them out on a subject (i.e. when Yun Weishan was poisoned by Lady Wuji's box vs. Yun Que being held as a poison test subject).
The implication that Yuanzhi is more knowledgeable is just one-half of the equation because the reality, and as canon has shown, is that Yuanzhi has more practical experience with poisons. He knows how to treat the poison effects because he actually goes through the poison.
That's not to say that the knowledge stores of the Yue lineage is any less than the Zhi lineage, or that Elder Yue is any better or lesser than Yuanzhi. They're good in their own ways and I think canon backs this up.
But that's just my 2 cents on the matter.
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Would you be amenable to showing the various reactions of the gege's and jiejie's front and back in the aftermath of whatever prize Xue Tongzi claimed after peach week, I'm assuming Yuanzhi's state after raised even Shangjue's eyebrows XD
Gege’s face card that never declines:
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Bro is deadass looking forward to 啪啪啪 that 菊花 coz I get the vibe that Gege is into 毒龙钻
Though I also reckon on the inside he’s also doing this
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:)
Jiejie on the other hand would be more
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Before diving straight into erotica note taking coz I got haunted by someone’s comment about jiejie being a secretly successful erotica writer and basing it off of the exploits of her family members
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There is a thing I don't get, why Yuanzhi was so against the idea of Ziyu becoming the sword wielder?
Just because he wanted his brother to be it? Or because of the rumors about Ziyu's mother? I mean, Shangjue was always logical on the reasons why he didn't want Ziyu to be the leader while Yuanzhi seemed to just do what he was told to do.
I read an answer on Reddit where Yuanzhi was described as Shangjue's dog, with no opinions of his own, petty and oblivious. Many people regarded him as the true villain of the show because he caused pain and played tricks for no real reasons. Do you think he is like that? Only smart for poisons?
Me to the Redditor who said that:
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Knuckle and buckle, kids, you're on the Gab Meta Train.
1. Gong Ziyu started out hella unqualified and everyone knows it
Don't come at me and tell me Gong Ziyu was the most worthy candidate to be the Sword Wielder because based on the first character setup, he definitely was not it. He was known to frequent the pleasure house, he stumbles home drunk in broad daylight, he has no involvement in the family's affairs, and he is most definitely more known as a dandy than anyone who is being groomed to take over the helm of the family.
Honestly, off the bat, in real life, would you want someone with a proven track record to lead you and protect you and your interests, or would you want some dude who is better known for hanging out at a brothel than he is actually handling paperwork or has a track record of maturity?
Yuanzhi, who is younger than Ziyu, but already is contributing to the day-to-day running and the development of tech and research for the family.
Which means...?
He has skin in the game about who he wants to lead him in the family. And that's a very valid stance to take. It's more than "oh Gege told me to do this, so I will" because that's such a sad 1 dimension take, and again, to that Redditor:
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Of course, we as the audience know that Ziyu will shape up. He will step up and he will answer the call, so to speak. But Gong Yuanzhi and Gong Shangjue did not. And if you really think about it, they're pretty much 'employees' of the Gong company. They just didn't agree with what top management decided and vocally voiced that opinion.
If you reeeeeallly want to think about it, they were just unionising :)
(gonna put this under a read more coz it got long)
2. Gong Shangjue has instilled a mentality of "Family First"
Relating to the first point.
Shangjue is obviously Yuanzhi's North Star. He is who Yuanzhi is shaping himself to be, and for all we know of his character, of course he would. He's basically the perfect man to aspire to be in a society like theirs.
So, when Shangjue says, "Family is the Most Important", don't you think Yuanzhi is gonna listen? Gong Shangjue is Gong Yuanzhi's most important person. He's family in a way that the rest aren't. Even if he doesn't outright say "I want that position", Yuanzhi would have done anything to help support him and get him there.
And going on the point where Shangjue and Yuanzhi were on Ziyu's case coz of the rumours that his mom was possibly pregnant when she married into the Gong family; I know other users on the MJTY tag have quite possibly discussed this matter (shoutout to @kingsandbastardz @swiftletinthecloud @romchat for their lovely metas and analysis posts ❤️ I consume them with much gratitude and glee), but let me crudely try to wrangle what has been beautifully said into my my own words;
For a family that prides themselves with being very strict about their familial rules, the fact that there is some measure and level of doubt persisting about Ziyu's parentage should have and must disqualify him from the position itself. Ziyu's dad could have easily kiboshed the rumours but he didn't, why?
More than that, the implication given to Shangjue over tea was that the position of Zhiren was always meant to go to him. Rewatch that scene where he last saw his uncle. Tell me differently.
The whole paternity issue is just one facet of a very Ziyu shaped problem. Having a murky paternity will raise issues of succession. Why do you think the nobilities of Europe back then had a court of people, usually people of importance, to be present when a marriage was consummated and a child was born? This is to make sure that there was no doubt that the marriage was legitimate and the line of succession and paternity remains unbroken.
(there were always exceptions to the rule, of course, but you get my drift, right?)
Of course, we got the resolutions to all of these issues; Ziyu was always the bio son of the Zhiren, he probably didn't kibosh the rumours because he never wanted to have his son carry that burden of leading the family when he could tell that his son had always wanted to leave the Valley, and Shangjue never coveted the position in the first place, he just wanted the right person to lead.
3. Yuanzhi has no opinions
Yuanzhi's just a dog to Shangjue? Well, if he's a dog, I wanna be one too Woof Woof.
Yuanzhi has his own motivations and drive. They just so happened to be Gege-shaped. I don't see how that warrants being called someone's dog.
He doesn't have his own opinions? Bro quite literally almost died to prove a point that the porridge was poisoned and Shangguan Qian cannot be trusted. HOW IS THAT NOT HAVING AN OPINION?
WERE WE EVEN WATCHING THE SAME SHOW???
Honestly, it's Reddit so I shouldn't be this surprised about the hot takes that happen on there, but damn if some people lack two brain cells to rub together to critically consume the media in front of them.
4. Yuanzhi is a reactionary character
Think about it; how many times throughout the narrative did he cause problems for no apparent reason?
If anything, don't you think that Ziyu & co. are the ones who deliberately do things to antagonise him and Shangjue? It's almost midnight as I am typing this and the old noggin is starting to lag, but let's focus on the blood GPS incident.
Yuanzhi saw that the people in the Yu residence were being a bit suspicious so he goes to snoop (cause + reason = reaction). Jin Fan is best boy, but Yuanzhi did not instigate that fight, he did (with good reason i know i know). (offense + defense = reaction). Ziyu & co. tried to stuff him into the closet (*snerk*) and what does he do? Bites down until he bleeds because he knows Gege will find him if he sniffs him out. And he did. A successful reaction.
In my opinion, he's like gunpowder -- left alone, they'll be fine. When given a spark, will react.
And again with feeling... To the Redditor who spouted such utter shite;
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Class dismissed
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(also the way lei lei is dragging rui rui with him like an unruly puppy is just A++ content i love that my cheeks still hurt from this episode)
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