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#mike and eleven are endgame tho
bylertruther · 2 years
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ok now tht i’ve gotten my mushy gushiness out can i just say.... that it is soooooo funny tht midlevens FINALLY got their i love you after four seasons..... and it.... lmao... i can’t even say it 🤭... it was... 🤭 bdjshfbdj based on a literal boldfaced lie that mike’s boy best friend told him and it was that boldfaced unbelievable and so painfully clockable lie that made mike feel loved and seen and safe enough to give eleven what he previously could not and stubbornly would not and that even when he did finally give her his speech after his boy best friend told him to it just made the vines around her neck tighten and was filled with things that the show itself refutes and proves to be yet another lie. because even when he says it... he isn’t saying it. he can’t say it. not really. not to her. not in the way she wants. LIKE LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO 🫣🤭💀
#byler#so insane. rip in peace to eleven tho and max who literally died bc of mike's gay ass. other things too bt im ignoring tht rn. BDFHJBDJHBFJD#thinking abt how mike has tried to recreate moments he had with will with her but failed [which implies tht they are romantic and moments he#felt were important to him and ones that he believes you should have with a lover which makes u wonder why he had those with will#when HE'S the one that initiated said moments with will and claims tht they're just friends seriously JUST friends but ok..]#and when she begs him while crying to please tell her he loves her he cannot do it and refuses to do it because mike is NOT a liar#and he won't lie not about this and not to her which is why he won't even WRITE it as a goodbye he's never said it#bc he knows the way that she'll take it and he knows he won't mean it that way#and it's only when his boy best friend who is JUST his friend and ONLY his friend confesses his love and makes him feel seen#for the very first time in his life probably and shows him that he IS worthy and he IS MORE than enough and that he's so very loved#and SEEN and WANTED that he goes and does it but ONLY after being pushed to by said boy best friend who's JUST a friend#and then when he DOES tell her he loves her finally his speech is a direct response to his boy best friend's confession that contradicts#everything that she wants and is and needs and lies because he's scared and overwhelmed and doesn't want her to fucking DIE#because if SHE dies if SUPERMAN dies then they're ALL dead and it's like season one when mike CANONICALLY says that they need her#because they're no use without her#and they can't fight this evil in hawkins and save the literal world without eleven#but like. yeah. okay. midleven rulez and she's definitely NOT going to dump his ass and that painting and entire confession is#definitely NOT EVER going to come up again not even ONCE not even in PASSING nope absolutely not surely bc midleven is endgame<3#bc of course the girl who just went through an entire fucking journey this season to AS SHE SAYS WITH HER OWN MOUTH find out who she is#is going to want to go back to someone that she CANONICALLY does not need and has not spoken to and tha#--t made her feel like a monster at her lowest and that simply does not see her as anything other than the weapon they found in the woods#of course she wants to go back to someone that idolizes her and it's totally meaningless that the memories she thought of#while reviving max were 'not hopper. not mike. you.' and 'there's more to life than stupid boys' literally right after tht monologue.#like im srry bt. girl what world are u living on<3#the crazy together scene was planned before the kids were cast it was part of the audition dnd is canonically code for mike and will#eleven literally thinks tht mike is going to be her brother in s1 and everything that she asks him to do or that everyone expects him to do#for her is something that he UNPROMPTED does for will without hesitation and their first kisses were put in bc of millie not written in#but yeah. ok. midleven is endgame. sure. ofc. yes. ur so right. mr shawn 'nothing is an accident' levy is wrong. the duffers r wrong. yup.#[and mike does love her platonically n see her as a person bt. she's superman before she's el hopper. he idolizes her. max sees her. u kno?]#mine
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lordystrange · 1 year
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It’s been way too long since I’ve last seen a post about this:
Season 3 promo… Noah and Finn are wearing the same clothes as they did in the interviews with Millie, so Millie was there… they could have the promo pics taken of all the ”couples”…
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Season 3 itself tho… again they could have gone with all the couples together, since Mike only has eyes for Eleven… but this is probably just a coincidence again, because the Duffers never put any effort into the details right…
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Season 4 promo probably has all the actual couples there right… right?
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And to add one final point into our delusion here, have this: the final shot of s4
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I wonder which couples are endgames…
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byleriscanon713by · 6 months
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So I might be reading too far into this but I took the duffers funko pop thing and sorted it
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Yellow- friend pairings
Green: romantic pairings
Blue: familial pairings
Red: not currently present
Okay so we’ll get into the friendship parings first.
So I think will and robin will get to have a fun friendship this season. I think they prob want robin to hang out with someone other than Steve and Nancy so will and her would bond well since they’re both part of the lgbtq+ community. I also think there’s potential for her to help in the buildup for byler. i also see a lot of potential for Mike and Lucas to kind of mend their friendships that’s always been a little rocky throughout the seasons. I think they’ll get some (not a large amount) of interaction together to kind of mend their holes throughout the seasons. I also have seen the theory that Lucas will be integral in helping Mike realize his feelings for Mike which is possible. It’s 50/50 but I do think Lucas may just say something unintentionally that triggers Mike into being like “oh god I’m a homosexual.” (Even tho he probably ALR knows that from the ending of season 3)
The Dustin/Johnathan/Nancy/Steve pairing is interesting and I think it’s gonna be a great quartet thing-a-ma-bobber. So we know Dustin and Steve are joined at the hip and Nancy and Johnathan are also super close so they’ll def stick together. However we’ve also seen previs’ of steve and Johnathan having a conversation in episode 1 of st5 so I think the two of them will become friends. There was also a previs from episode 5 I believe and it looks like they’re in the upside down and you could see Dustin in the passenger seat of a car and Nancy and Johnathan in the back. I think it’d be weird for Dustin to just casually be hanging w/ Nancy and Johnathan so I bet Steve is driving. Also, we know Eleven is gonna be an integral part of the series and so is Will, so the four of them kind of are on the outskirts a little. They’ll prob have a more separate storyline where they’re discovering things unrelated to the core problem. Now why would robin and Lucas not be with that group? Well Lucas just lost max so I think he might need some separation time from that group and he might want to rekindle with mike and will cuz he was kind of distant with them in season 4. I think Robin may be with that group part time, but I also think she may take up some sort of fondness for Will where she wants to protect him (especially if he’s susceptible to vecna) Also if Will is susceptible to Vecna, Lucas has seen Max get vecnad and saved her the first time so he might have that instinct to “I need to save Will since I didn’t save Max.” Robin may be there because she’s the one who discovered the whole music thing and she may want to be wills lesbian protector idk. And obvious mike would want to be there but we’ll get into that later.
Now why did I put Steve/Nancy/Jonathan in green? I think they’re gonna be a love triangle. Not the love triangle where they all date, but just the fact that Steve and Johnathan are both obviously pining over Nancy. As much as I hate admitting it, I think stancy is endgame with the way they set them up in st4. I also think there’s a large possibility of Johnathan well… perishing. I’ve seen a lot of people saying “omg stonathan” cuz they saw Steve and Johnathan touching heads in that photo but I am skeptical of stonathan ever happening. I think they’ll be friends, but I think the head touching could still meaning there’s some head butting over Nancy going on. They both love her so I do think they’ll both have romantic moments throughout the season with her. Idk. That love triangle is quite a mystery. Let’s get into the best ship: Byler! I believe Byler is endgame and I could go on for probably eight hours about all the proof and all the queer coding they’ve gone through. Now why do I think byler is a logical thing going to happen in a straight to the point way? Well you saw Mike at the end of st4 when Will was talking abt feeling Vecna. Mike looked terrified. Mike has that instinct of needing to protect Will, and I think as st4 went on Mike started gaining it back and releasing el didn’t love him as much and that will was the one who needed him. The duffers have also teased a lot about circling back to the og relationships and dynamics from st1, but they’ve also said a lot of it is based on st2. Now in st2 Mike was practically attached to Will since he was possessed by the mid flayer. I am 100% sure Will is going to be under Vecnas trance and I’m pretty sure that’ll happen early in the season. I think once Mike sees that he’ll snap right back into his protector mode and be joined to Will for the rest of the season. From there, the potential of the painting being recalled and basically them confessing their love is quite obvious. I’m not gonna get too into byler here but it you love hearing about byler you should follow me cuz I post about them a lot :) (Also if your a st account or like any fandom I’m interested in I’ll prob follow u back and stalk ur page cuz I adore reading yalls theories and fics and ahhhh)
Now let’s get into the familial relationship!!! I forgot to circle Joyce and hopper in green but that’s okay cuz they’re endgame and it’s obvious. Now since Joyce lost hopper for so long and it took so much tension building over the seasons for them to get together, I think they’ll be partnered up again. They typically are anyways. I think Eleven will also be with them. I think Eleven is going to break up with Mike and become her own character. Now I think eleven is going to die at the end of the season by using all her powers and instead of fainting, destroying the upside down for good and killing herself in the process. I think it’s a full circle but also depressing and plausible ending for her. It’s very likely. This season I think they’re going to focus on her character. In every season her character has either been based on her powers or on being mikes girlfriend. I think her having time with Hoppet and Joyce will give her some good character qualities and depth that we haven’t seen. She’s also reeling from the death of Max and I feel she’ll just want some space (especially from what we see at the end of st4) However she also misses Hopper cuz he was the primary influence in her life and personally I think he loves her more than anymore. She wants to makeup for the lost time with him. Also wherever hopper is Joyce will be too, especially since she’s always had that kind of motherly dynamic towards El (and she is her mom now technically.) I’m just so excited for el to finally get to be her own person.
Lastly I think Max will be MIA for a while. I think that she will come back but not until later. She may help fight Vecna from inside his mind, but I doubt she will truly not come back till Eleven is able to kill vecna. Not seeing Sadie sink in this season much would kill me cuz I love her, but it’s realistic.
Anyways thank you so much for reading this super long rant!!! Reblog and add your opinions cuz I would die to see them. Like I love hearing new theories!
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byersfanclub · 2 years
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it’s fine if millie ships microwave oven, but the thing is, half of what mike told her in the monologue was a lie and we the audience know this because we saw what happened season one. mike truly did not care what happened to eleven, he was ready to have his mom send her back to an asylum. it’s very obvious if we watch back that he did not fall in love at first sight. (note: stranger writes twt said they don’t believe in love at first sight) all mike wanted was to find will. and while i do believe mike loves eleven platonically, they aren’t meant to be in a romantic relationship. season three is full of relationship issues but “resolved” (not really tho) and they could have kept it that way into season four but they didn’t. they cause more issues for them. why keep adding issues? and it’s not just small ones— not even normal ones. it’s huge plot heavy issues. i truly believe that will has officially been brought in as another love interest for mike in season four, it makes too much sense for that not to be the case. we all know if will was a girl, people would see it so clearly. everything is shot how a love triangle would be shot. there’s not reason to introduce will as a potential love interest for mike if they aren’t planning to do anything with it. and i’m sorry but having will be rejected but get his best friend back is still not enough for will to get a truly happy ending in my own honest opinion. will deserves to be happy, mike makes him happy, mike makes him feel like he’s not a mistake even when he does feel like one, mike is his knight, mike is his heart. will has gone from having a crush to having full blown real feelings for his best friend. meanwhile mitochondria happened so quickly you could barely blink in between. eleven doesn’t even really understand relationships— why is she being tossed into one so quickly? it all just… doesn’t make sense unless byler is endgame.
sorry for the rant.
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a-whole-new-specie · 2 years
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|Byler and Jancy is Endgame and here is why|
To be clear is just a theory that i had after rewatching St(1-4), so i can be totally wrong, but hear me out.
Let's begin with the Hellfire gang playing D&D in the beginning of season 4. At the end of the game, Eddie says that unfortunately an 11 is not strong enough, it can't beat Vecna, so then Erica rolls the dice and gets a 20, which is a success meaning that El can't win Vecna (she can tho win 001, which she did in a way).
I find it interesting that before the success(20) it was a failure(11)
So where does It leads to Byler and Jancy being Endgame?
Well, In the Hawkins Lab we get to see what really happened, El managed to win 001 with the power of ¿Love? Kinda. We see El's memories which shows her mother saying that she loves El, so instead to using a memory that brings the feelings of anger or sadness, Eleven used one that brought her the theme of love. She was loved by her mother.
Since, i've noticied that the theme love is important in this season, like:
Mike not being able to say he loves El
We have Will loving Mike (finally)
Lumax making peace with each other
Jonathan and Nancy being distant
Steve and Nancy getting closer
Hopper and Joyce meeting again
All the plots in a way leads to this love thing
Also, words always have meanings in stranger things ( bullshit, crazy, crazy together, love...)
I think Stancy is a parallel to M*leven strongly in this season, and Jancy would parallel to Byler, we've got a scene actually of them exactly like a Jancy one
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Then, remember Eddie saying that Nancy must love Steve coz she jumped in the water to save him?( She didn't hesitated) It interconnects with all the Mike getting in the front line, worrying about El and literally getting defensive of El sometimes.
Mike does love El, but is just like Nancy loves Steve
Not in a romantic way.
It's also interesting here that both Nancy and Mike never said they loved Steve/El, and that's why there is this rapprochement of Nancy and Steve, it's not because they gonna be together at the end, but because Steve still loves Nancy. Same for Eleven, she loves Mike and there is a need for a closure for the characters to move on.
So it' s a dinamic of Steve loving Nancy romantically, Nancy loving him platonically and Nancy being reciprocal.
It's the SAME thing that's is happening to Mike, El and Will
It's like El = Steve, Mike= Nancy and Will= Jonathan
That's why I think Jancy and Byler is endgame, they are setting this interactions to close the arc that was m*leven and Stancy so they can move on with the finale couples to season 5.
They have to solve this first so they can be finally happy. Same goes to the couples Lumax and Jopper ( that I also think is endgame) they are reuniting, they are solved.
That explains why Mike can't say he loves El, even if he lies it won't save El if she gets vecna'd, but it would save Will 👀
The thing is 11 is a miss. It just won't be.
The Duffers brother said themselves that everything that is going on is planned, so Will liking Mike this season, Mike not being able to say he loves El being brought up this season, Nancy being apart and Stancy acting like a mirror to M*leven this season is not a coincidence.
Coz it's 99% of sure that Will is gonna get Vecna'd, just music is not gonna save him, it's about the feelings too. Vecna targets people with traumas and Max was able to run away not just bcz of the music but because of the good memories of the ones she loves
Both romantically and platonically
Noah also said that Byler is being built up since season 1 and that now it's on it's peak just adds to why Byler is endgame and it's gonna make to S5
I also think Will is way more important than people give him credit for, when he gets the Hawkins shit gonna get crazy( I think he have powers, pls Duffer brothers 🙏)
Well, wrapping it up, I think at the end El will finally learn what love is (even more if she reunites with Hopper) learn what kind of love Mike have towards her and honestly, this season is so self growth to her that I think she's gonna be alright, she needs some alone time, be her own persona.
I think she's gonna love herself more too :) wishing her all happiness, to all characters honestly loves them all.
I just think that if someone dies it will be Eddie :/
That's it, sorry any English mistakes it's not my first language and I should be sleeping 😩 Byler see what u do to me. Aaa.
Leave your theories, what u think, I love reading it.
Also, Jonathan is gonna reunite with Nancy soon too in Hawkins( we hope) , so we'll see, even more bcs Nancy is under Vecna's curse 👀
Very interesting, good night Byler lovers
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jeroidk · 2 years
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Erasing or just plainly ignoring the good moments in both Mike and Eleven's relationship and Mike and Will's relationship will lead you to not be able to fully apreciate the show.
Stranger Things is not just about Mike and Eleven or just about Mike and Will. Is about both (and of course, about all the other relationships too).
It would be bad writing to have build-up Mike and Eleven's (romantic) relationship to later just throw all those beautiful moments and heartbreaking scenes to the trash in order to say that "Mike is actually gay, he was with Eleven just because of his internalized homophobia and heteronormativity".
Especially bc anyone can see that their narrative was about romantic love/attraction (at least to a certain point). Besides, it would turn Eleven into a mere tool for Mike's character development and that would suck*.
But the same goes for Mike and Will's relationship. The scenes and the development between these two are there for a reason. And i do think it would be bad writing to build-up this sort of "gray area" in their relationship (between platonic and romantic) and in their feelings (Will is clearly in love with Mike, Mike's behaviour doesn't make any sense if you try to erase the queer-coding of his character, especially in s3 and s4) if they are going to throw all of that to the trash and have Mike reject Will.
Is like Joyce and Bob and Joyce and Hopper, in a way.
Joyce's romantic relationship with Bob in s2 doesn't erase in any way the development between her and Hopper, and we all knew since the beginning that they were going to be a couple (or at least, have canon reciprocated romantic feelings) at some point.
And viceversa. Joyce and Hopper being endgame doesn't erase the fact that she and Bob were a good couple. He was what she needed at that time: someone gentle, attentive, caring, loving, who would support her and her kids after all the traumatizing shit she went through. But Joyce and Bob couldn't be endgame because even tho he was what she needed at that time, and even tho she loved him a lot, he wasn't what she needed in a long-term relationship.
Joyce and Hopper developed a beautiful friendship throughout the years and the seasons, and when they were finally ready, they became endgame.
I see Mike and Will the same way. Mike did love (romantically) Eleven, and they were what the other needed at the time. But they are not what each other needs in a long-term relationship.
But that doesn't erase everything they went through, all the good and bad things.
Anyways. Both Mileven and Byler are valid because Mike loves both Eleven and Will and because Byler being endgame doesn't erase the beautiful relationship Mike and Eleven had.
(But making Mike gay would, and that sucks)
* Edit. I'm sorry, i didn't mean to say that a closeted queer person dating someone and later realizing they are actually homosexual and not in love with that person means that they are using that person. I know that it's a very common and valid experience within the queer community. I meant to say that in the narrative context of Stranger Things, in my opinion, it would turn Eleven into a narrative tool for Mike's character development, and that doesn't sit right with me. But again, i should have explained myself better, i'm sorry.
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poppin-fandoms · 1 year
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Bro i just finished season 3 and there’s too much mileven ;-;
I mean I do think they’re cute but NOT ROMANTICALLY. Platonic eleven is where its at.
It makes me lose hope lowkey but then I remember that season 4 exists and Mike Wheeler is NOT straight at all. As straight as a mfin circle. You cant tell me he wasn’t infatuated with Eddie CMON its confirmed he even grew his hair out to be like him 😭
I get scared sometimes tho 💀 like what if they don’t break up. But they def will. Honestly as long as Mileven breaks up PLZ
Mileven just doesn’t have that chemistry that Lumax and Jancy and even Elmax and Byler have. And they never will and its so OBVIOUS like you don’t even have to be a Byler to notice it. Bro even one of my teachers said Byler has so much more chemistry than Mileven and she thinks will and Mike should get together and I love her for that 😭 and shes like in her late 40s sooo
It’s not even delusional to think it’ll be canon like there’s stuff everywhere cuz everything is so intentional. Its so POSSIBLE and in my opinion they ARE endgame 100% idc you cant change my mind.
I mean the szn is really good and I like the aesthetics too like the MALL and the OUTFITS r all so cool. it’s fun I mean I love Stranger Things but I just hate how apart Will and Mike were the whole season and the way Mike ACTED like dude chill tf out 💀💀 and then Will was hardly ever shown again, this is like the last few episodes of the season.
But ofc we have the famous “its not my fault you dont like girls!” Mike, your internalized homophobia is showing 🤭
Its funny cuz I always LOVE the first 2-3 episodes of each season and then obviously it gets sad 😭 and hella action too but its still good BUT I HATE WHEN CHARACTERS DIE LIKE POOR ALEXAI WTF?? He deserved better and so did Bob obviously.
Nobody better die in season 5 istfg. Like all of the OG cast has to survive PLEASE LET THEM LIVE.
I also watched the first ep of season 4 and I love Chrissy but ofc, vecna put her out of her suffering, and unfortunately I think Will is also gonna get vecnad in szn 5 cuz my boy has been thru it ALL. When is he not being hurt in some way he deserves nothing but happiness.
Like whats gonna happen after Will confesses to Mike? I mean I still can’t believe it, it’s actually happening and the painting and all that and then he’s gonna be so sad cuz he’ll think Mike doesn’t feel the same and I have SO many fanfic ideas honestly
Also I adore Elmax SO MUCH I honestly wish they could be canon I just love them they’re so prefect for each other. Max is the #1 Mileven anti lmao. I keep remembering how she wanted to be friends with Mike in szn 2 but he was so rude to her like BRO WTF. I still like Lumax but like…consider Elumax.
But El deserves better and she does deserve to be on her own away from Mike.
Also Robin’s coming out scene will never not get me I LOVE HOW SUPPORTIVE STEVE IS i freaking love Steve I mean like honestly who doesn’t?
BUT CAN YOU BELIEVE STRANGER THINGS LITERALLY STRAIGHT BAITED EVERYONE WITH STOBIN? LMAOO
So is it rlly a reach to say Mileven was straight bait cuzzzz
I rlly love Robin and Vickie which r definitely ending up together (with Byler cuz they also kinda parallel each other) but I am very fond of Ronance I love it.
AND THEN JOPPER I ALSO LOVE THEM. Remember when they were like “theres nothing romantic between us we’re just friends.” And then the “we’re a team” and it reminded me so much of that one Byler scene in szn 4 which im pretty sure has been pointed out but yeah the PARALLELS.
And also Jancy had that “oh we’re just friends” moment before they got Murrayed like Jopper. Murray getting matchmaking all the Byers? PERIOD. He better finish that in season 5.
Also why do I lowkey ship Murray and Alexai like that wasn’t just me right? Fuck it
But yeah just some thoughts…
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beepboop358 · 2 years
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Hi! (Every time I see your name on my dash Bibbitybobbityboo comes into my head? I feel like your analysis fairy godmother anyway so it fits)
But, I feel like I took something away from Season 4 that I haven't seen many people talk about? Or any to be quite honest. And I just wondered if you had an opinion on it?
So we know the Duffers are Nerds(tm) and think that being Nerdy is like, the ultimate burden to bear apparently. But, particularly over the last two seasons I've been noticing the Superhero/marvel references, like your previous Anon said, about spiderman? Just little stuff, like Joyce and Hopper in S3 doing a Captain America and arranging a date only to have Hopper "die" before they can. All of Eleven's refs, Mikes etc, you get the point.
But I am now, 100% certain that Eleven is going to die "saving the world" and she'll get Iron Man'd.
I am absolutely positive. We caught a glimpse of it with Eddie for sure, but the sheer amount of Hero Insecurity she's had just kind of sticks out. She was supposed to die anyway in S1 so whilst everyone in their corner of the internet is banging on about MildEven being Endgame, all I can think about is actual End Game. And how I can absolutely see an El death scene on the horizon, because let's face it, she's the character that has "no place" and who "struggles for purpose" and to a GA she holds a lot of emotional capital, whislt maintaining this constant aura of other that wouldn't make her death seem totally tragic and pointless.
From a writing POV, the way the Duffers lean in terms of story telling, I am absolutely positive El will either die or be "banished" to the upside down mirroring 001.
Also, if we don't see a Red Dragon next season I'll be very surprised. All the colour coding and Will's drawing? The Red Dragon is Chaotic Evil in DnD as well so that smacks of something they would go with.
Idk, this turned into a ramble. I hope you have a lovely night and I am very sorry for thoughtdumping on you <3 xxxx
hello!
ahaha I kinda like that, has a nice ring to it LOL. And i am unworthy of that title but thank you for the compliment aha <333.
It really is hilarious in the worst way that they seem to think being a nerd is the ultimate burden to bear LOL. There is quite a bit of Marvel-esc influence this season. And El is doing the Iron Man Pose a lot this season too..., so you bringing up that she'll get Iron Man'd at the end seems like an eerie connection and possibly foreshadowing... El was supposed to die in season 1 to fulfill the E.T. parallel, and assuming they don't just keep her alive to do spin-offs, I think it's pretty likely she'll die at the end of the show. I think it's possibly her death somehow mirrors 001's "death", but I do see her having a big hero moment and sacrificing herself for her friends. I think El's death would be very emotional, but there is a narrative point to it. I love El tho and I just want to see her happy but...
I think we could see a red dragon next season too. I hope that painting was foreshadowing for something!
hope you're well! xx (no need to worry about thought dumping it's always welcome ,3)
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Just finished Stranger Things 4 and i have thoughts:
1- Nancy and Steve: stop. Just stop, please.
I love them both so much, but I do not ship them, never have never will, and I've always shipped Nancy and Jonathan and to me Nancy and Steve broke up for some very good reasons and, even tho they make great friends, they don't really make that much of a fine couple from my point of view.
2- Steve: 1: fucking ally or what?! 2: it's because you're the best babysitter, sweetie. 3: (most important) him ripping the demobat's head/body off was really hot. Like, sexy and hot and it got me all hot lol. So hot. Rip that head off! 4: i shipped him a lil with Eddie at some points. 5: he's such a great person. How he supports his lesbian girl at a small town in the 80s is amazing. Like Eddie said -he said something, i forget fast.
3- Robin: i felt represented. She won't shut up. Not great with the social skills. I love her and want her to be safe. Wish we could've seen more of Vickie. Her friendship with Nancy got me shipping a lil, but i loved their friends dynamic. Beware of rabies.
4- Argyle and Eden - ❤️ the way he was just instantly smitten was so cute. Him freaking out was also cute.
5- When i saw the promos saying El thought Will had a crush i was so happy thinking it might've been someone new and that liked and appreciated him, maybe that guy in the pink jacket. But no. He's still into Mike. It broke my heart when we knew the painting was for Mike and then he got there and everything was just super awkward. I'm really curious about the painting. And, it just got pointed out to me here, that Mike may not be able to say he loves Eleven bc he's into Will too? He said it in the last season and he's been treating Will kinda weird for some time... So i have no idea what to make of this. I just thought Mike and El were endgame. I can see it both ways. Adding: that moment they were talking in his room, i thought Will would kiss Mike for sure.
6- Eddie: what can I say about this man? He's so cute and awesome. Such a caring drug dealer. An extra lil dad for Dustin and the others. He seems like he could be friends with Robin very easily, but him and Steve bonding over Dustin was my fav. And jumping into a Watergate for three basic strangers was pretty cute. Even if it was for shame reasons. It also looks like he's filling in for both Billie and Jonathan at Hawkins, but not too much because he has his own manners and personality that diverge from both characters, and i love that.
7: I missed Erica. A. Lot. Just the facts. The couch is on fire lol she's always a badass. And speaking out in the middle of an "adult" conference was pretty cool. Also, calling their bullshit and noticing the lights.
Extras:
My fav Dustin moment was: "I overestimated them". That was some beautiful moment right there.
The fact both Steve and Eddie felt jealous of Dustin is so wholesome and weird at the same time. Just wanna see those three together.
The ending caught me by surprise. But if i stop to think about it, it was kinda predictable?
Susie's family was fun. Hope to see her in Hawkins one day.
I love Russian. That one Russian prisoner was Svetlana's husband in Shameless.
Me, everytime that one basketball player spoke: Hey, Garrett? Shut up. (He played a character named Garrett in Teen Wolf)
Liked how their parents got all involved together this time.
When that cop said Max was mean. Lol. Hell yeah.
I wish Vickie was one of the number children.
Me, hoping to see the new Xerife's reaction when Hop comes back.
I want a hellfire T.
Dead pool:
Eddie, the cutiepie who is winning over my heart just like Alexei did.
Will, who decided to bring his very important painting with him to a rescue mission and is being way more obvious about his crush nowadays.
Karen, it's just a feeling, but I think she'll start getting more into the actual problem eventually and it may end up bad for her.
Murray, he's one of my favs and it just seems like it would fit very well.
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chesterprotector · 2 years
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so!! here's my wishlist/predictions for volume 2!! i'm going to watch it with my friends friday i'm so so excited you can't even imagine.
will byers has POWERS!!!! he's plot relevant again, becomes the main character again and we learn more about his connection to the upside down
will's painting is a metaphor to his feelings towards mike ; i'm thinking alot about the swingset i'm not sure its going to be this but i hope it is because that would be so great (also i would LOVE a flashback where we ACTUALLY SEE the first time they met at the kindergarden)
i really hope i'm wrong about this one but erica, eddie and robin (PLS NO) dies :(
max is getting vecnaed AGAIN!
karen is going to play a much more important role this season than the other seasons and we're gonna learn something about her that we didn't (almost) suspect
murray and enzo dies.........
jopper and lumax kiss !! 💗💞❤️
brenner FINALLY dies for real and eleven's the one killing him because she is an absolute girlboss
a lot of people are getting vecnaed at once
we will see robin's coming out (i think it will be to nancy !)
jancy is endgame periodt
it is finally made clear to the audience that will byers is gay and in love with his best friend and its going to be the saddest scene ever
eleven has to fight [vecna] and she's about to lose but then hopper comes back and she sees him and it will give her the strengh to finally win!! then the whole byers-hopper family has a reunion and everyone cries
WE LEARN WHATS UNDER LUCAS' BED???????????
i have a feeling argyle either dies/is NOT the character we all thought he was. i hope i'm wrong about both tho
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ao3feed-byler2 · 11 months
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Your Teeth In My Neck
by FoodieHoodie
“Were you cyberstalking Will again?!” She sounds childishly excited when halting at the stairwell banister, like she’s cracked an impossible case, always relentlessly seeking the truth.
Or
Mike and Will used to be friends. Best friends! But after one fight they couldn't come back from during the summer, they haven't spoken to each other since. The only time they cross paths is on the piste, with epee swords brandished, as fencing rivals for their opposing boarding schools - Hawkins High vs Lenora Hills Prep. This year is no different, except it kind of is. Something pulls them together and this time they can't escape it. Because there's no Mike without Will and there's no Will without Mike. Simple as that.
Words: 3120, Chapters: 1/27, Language: English
Fandoms: Stranger Things (TV 2016)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Categories: F/F, F/M, M/M
Characters: Mike Wheeler, Will Byers, Lucas Sinclair, Maxine "Max" Mayfield, Dustin Henderson, Eleven | Jane Hopper, Jonathan Byers, Argyle (Stranger Things), Steve Harrington, Nancy Wheeler, Robin Buckley, Vickie (Stranger Things), Jennifer Hayes, Joyce Byers, Karen Wheeler, Ted Wheeler, Holly Wheeler, Erica Sinclair, Jim Hopper, Scott Clarke, Henry Creel, Bob Newby
Relationships: Will Byers/Mike Wheeler, Minor or Background Relationship(s), Lumax (Max Mayfield/Lucas Sinclair), Henderhop (El Hopper/Dustin Henderson), Stoncy (Nancy Wheeler/Jonathan Byers/Steve Harrington), Will Byers/Original Male Character(s), But like these dudes Will is with is nameless faceless nobodies bro so chill Byler endgame, Rovickie - Relationship, Robin Buckley/Vickie (stranger things no last name how bruh), Jopper (Joyce Byers/Jim Hopper)
Additional Tags: Ex-friends to Strangers to Rivals to Acquaintances to Rekindled Friendship to Lovers, Fencing, Alternate Universe - Boarding School, Rich Kid Mike vs Poor Kid Will, Mike plays for Hawkins and Will plays for Lenora, Senior Year of High School, Flashbacks to how it all fell apart, Strict boarding school rules, Unreliable Narrator, Boys In Love, Childhood Friends, The fencing swords are metaphors for Byler's affection, Underage Drinking, Cuz teens go out and party, Mike misses Will dearly he's so down bad omg it's pathetic, Cyberstalking each other cuz Mike and Will are extra like that (cringe kings yay), Sneaking Around, Sneaking Out, When your rival understands you the most, Angst in the beginning - comedy/romance romcom towards middle and last arcs, Slow Burn, Hate crushing, hate flirting, Hate makeouts?, Sharing a Bed, Secret Relationship, Jealous Mike Wheeler, Jealous Will Byers, Modern Day Byler somewhere in the 2020s, Sexual Tension, cuz Mike be having some dreams (more on the pining side tho), preppy school uniforms, ghosting culture, burner accounts, attachment issues vs abandonment issues vs isolation issues
from AO3 works tagged 'Will Byers/Mike Wheeler' https://ift.tt/VfBrR1w
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toiletguy04 · 2 years
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I think people should read this especially in this mainstream fandom where internalized or even blatant homophobia are still somehow relevant. Basically the vid talks a lot about capitalism towards queer people which includes "Queerbaiting" and how it runs in the show to loot on gay ppl.
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It's real tho, people have been calling Bylers delusional because we're apparently making Mike gay even though he's "straight" as if an obvious subtext that can be seen throughout the whole series isn't real. I'm not saying it's intentional, probably a little, but I'm sure it's 100% implied since one character (Will) has already been identified gay. We need to see Mike and Will romantically for us to establish Will's lovely admiration for Mike. However, in doing so, we can also see how much they made Mike care so much about Will and the complete contrast of it from the main "straight couple" melvin. You can't even deny it. It's always parallel. The Byler rain fight vs the "I dump your ass" melvin breakup. The "You care but you don't love me anymore?" "Who said I didn't?" Vs the "It's hawkins, it's not the same without you". Like somehow, Mike is always torn between the two. And if all of them were only for Will's own romantic "unrequited" plotline, then I can see it. But the problem is how it affected the main couple. Cause if they're planning on making them the "end game", then the byler bits shouldn't be as special as that, but based on their— god forbid— heart to heart sceneSSS and tender emotional musics, which happened more than once btw (*insert homophobic dog stare*) it's almost as if they're selling Byler to the audience. Like "Here, Will is beautifully in love with Mike and we can see how different Mike is with Will than with El and also did you see how selflessly Will gave up his love for Mike just so he and Eleven can get back together? 🥺". Tell me I'm wrong. I also saw a tiktok once explaining why we loved Will despite his little appearance in the first season. The person said that we were unknowingly drawn to Will because the Duffers established his character from the very start as this honest quiet kid who cannot lie "It's seven, the demogorgon, it got me ", it got us rooting for him. That's the first thought that came in my head during the van scene. Will's selflessness got us bawling our eyes out because he literally helped rebuild Melvin. And even though it's heartbreaking, it gave us more reason to love Will Byers. The question is... for what?
Now, realistically (the most realistic aka society-approved outcome I can think of), Byler won't happen. Since the duffer bros also stated they won't be focusing on their character's lovelife for s5 hence it was all cramped during the last volume. Will's "ripping off the bandaid" (although the script was apparently fake, the possibility of Will really letting go of Mike can still be real), Mike finally saying I Love you. But if they're not planning on making it endgame then it's pure... bullshit? Like what do you mean? You're going to leave us broken over Will's unrequited love? Eleven's indifference during the last episode was because of nothing? Obviously there's something MORE.
If you really think about it, they could've ended the episode with a more clear path on where they're planning to steer their character for the next season. Watch Will looking at them from afar as Mike and El hold hands like THE REST OF THE COUPLES. Because isn't that what they're supposedly trying to show us because of the Van scene and Mike's monologue? Melvin endgame, Will sad gay pining. Shouldn't El and Mike be unbearably sappy comforting each other because they love each other and no matter what happens, Mike would always be with her because he "loves" her and he's scared to lose her especially since he was so close to also losing El back there? But why didn't they? It's so easy to just simply show us that Melvin is happy, Will is happy for them if they won't be focusing on their character's lovelife for the next season? But they didn't?
It was left open-ended, Mike and Will at the end, El ahead of them, flowers decaying, the Hawkins' downfall, the subtext, the implications, you can't blame Bylers if we believe it'll be endgame because that ending was SERVED in front of us. The potential, the possibility, that at this point if all those evidences or subtexts were for nothing then what was that for? "Queerbaiting"? Wasted potential? Shitty writing?
Idk dude but one thing's for sure, we ain't delusional for reading into the subtext, for eating up the possibility of byler endgame. I honestly dk what the duffers are planning about the romantic plotlines of their characters but there's also a possibility they would break everyone up. Specially since Finn also stated something about leaving hawkins and such. But as I see it, I think Melvin would indeed breakup, and Byler won't get together BUT I believe they'll be HEAVILY implied in the last episode (maybe, hopefully). I mean, there are huge confrontations that'll happen specially with Will's lie alshxjshsjd I believe they wouldn't just... leave it there? 🤭 But yeah, idk, the duffer bro somehow still manages to surprise (or sometimes disappoint honestly) me everytime so 😔
Anyways yeah, that was so long, just venting cause I'm tired of people saying we're wrong and weird for making everyone gay as if it's our fault it was implied like, you really think we would be hellbent on proving a character is gay if they're straight just for fun??? 😭 Make it make sense??? Anyways bye, byler canon period.
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hawkinsp0st · 2 years
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i need to scream!!!
s4 recap going into season 5…
we found out 001 is behind all the evil in the whole show. brenner is dead. el’s powers are back. everyone is reunited. the battle is clearly laid out ahead of our main characters, they don’t even have to set that up.
and sure, the battle of hawkins is going to be huge, but ST has shown us time and again that they’re going to spend lots of time on relationships even amidst life or death situations.
taking byler/melvin out of the equation, what relationships do they have to focus on now? once max is saved, lumax has clearly fallen back in love and will be reunited. jopper is basically married at this point, robin seems to have gotten her girl, jancy seemed mostly okay……
i’m just saying. i’m just SAYING… mike has been paralleled with brenner (“you can fly”, urging el to find vecna and fight him, etc). brenner is dead and el is framed by herself in the final shot of 4x9.
literally the ONLY thing that makes sense at this point AT ALL is for s5 to be byler’s romance season. i’m talking long flirty scenes like we saw with steve and nancy in s4 (probably a lot more angst tho bc have you seen these boys lmao). i’m talking romantic look after romantic look. i’m talking, as one wise melvin put it, a massive straightbait!!!
and yes, they still have to resolve jancy/stancy, but i doubt that’ll take up enough screentime to be THE central love story of s5. we already did that in s1/2.
even if melvin is endgame, what would their love story be in s5? mike finally said those three little words, so where could their relationship go now, growth wise? they’re weirdly distant rn but how could that even get resolved in a satisfying way other than a breakup, since they already had the big ily monologue?
as viewers, our reaction to this show is holy shit, these are kids and this is traumatic for them please give them hope. so the audience roots for them, wants them to win, and to be happy and healthy. and for eleven, someone who is…ahem…LIKE PAPA in some respects is not gonna be the healthiest partner for her at the end of the day. i just don’t feel like any audience will be satisfied seeing her go thru no personal growth and gaining no independence from mike by the end of s5.
TL;DR: i’m not saying they’ll do it bc who tf knows, but literally, everything about this sets up a byler s5. the relationships are the core of the show, and the current relationship setup of s4 makes nOoooOoOooo sense if we’re not looking at a byler centric s5.
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erectionsandtea · 3 years
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OKaY GuYS, listen, I'm sorry to do this but I need to get this out bc I can't sleep bc it's bugging me so much, okay?
I want to say a few things to people who claim that mileven is fake/not in love/toxic in ST3 (and I don't mean byler/byeler fans specifically, jsyk), things that have probably been said before but I'm going to say them again anywah
Sorry in advance
1) I DON'T CARE if you think 14 year olds can't be in love. I'm not watching ST for its realism, I just want my babies to be happy
2) "mike and eleven's break up was so colorful and upbeat, so clearly they don't love each other" pREpARE tO BE TOLd
Eleven knows next to nothing about relationships, and most of what she DOES know (if not everything) she learns from max in those moments when max is convincing her to dump mike. Max tells el that she's dumped lucas like five (5) times, and he has always come crawling back. With how little el knows, she's probably thinking that's what will happen with Mike, she will dump him and he will come crawling back and all will good and whatever
"mike doesn't love el cos he didn't cry when she dumped him, also he just sits around in the basement eating cheetos and burping at lucas" while true, it could very be because MaYBE This dumping came out of NOwHERE, literally nowhere. They hadn't fought (yet), everything was fine (or so mike thinks), and then out of nowhere he just gets dumped?? Maybe he was just so shocked and confused that he wasn't registering it at first, mAYbE he was in denial, idk!!
Also I'm sure mike doesn't love el bc he doesn't spend the entire rest of the season trying to figure what he did wrong ,what's wrong with her, and trying to win her back, oh and also caring for and about her even tho they are still broken up Oh WAiT-
3) "mike doesn't love el, he loves will bc" etc, other stuff in s3 -> are we just ignoring that fact that mike is literally ignoring will a lot of the time bc he's stuck on el, I'm sorry but of our boy loved will maybe he would have stopped to play dnd with him
4) pleaSE zTOP comparing mileven's breakup to mike and Will's fight outside castle byers in the rain. They are not the same and shouldn't be compared like they are (and I am NOT saying that mike doesn't care about will at all or anything bC OFC He DoES)
5) mike literally does that cliche movie trope thing where he blurts out his feelings for el without even thinking or before he realizes what he's doing "I love her and I can't lose her again!" You can see the shock on his face after he says it, that shit isn't planned, it was spontaneous which often (THO NoT AlwayS I AdmIT) means it's true/real in tv and movies
6) "if mike loves el, why doesn't he say it back at the end of the season?"
*ahem* fIRST of all, because he already said it! SeCOnD of all, when she says it, she says "I love you too". You don't say it back to the person who is saying it back after you already said it once. It would just sound awkward. It doesn't matter that they both said it at different days/times, they can still both mean it
7) "why does mike avoid saying his feelings when el confronts him at the end?"
Picture this: you blurted out your feelings to the world, and then you find out mAYBE the person for whom you feel has heard it, but you don't know for sure, and they don't say it back. Then that person confronts you about saying it. AND you're a fuckin teenager!! You're probably going to be awkward and weird about it, and you might try to pretend you have no idea what they're talking about bc maybe if they don't feel the same way, you can just brush the whole thing off as a joke or pretend it never happened
8) "mileven's relationship is toxic/unhealthy, all they do is make out" -> they. Are. Teenagers. They're probly horny as fuck, aLSO who's to say they didn't talk and get to know each other over the MaNY mONthS separating seasons 2 and 3? You can't say, I can't say, we don't know, not to mention they did get to know each other (EVEN IF JuST A liTTLE bIT) during season 1, remember? You honestly expect me to believe that horny teens won't be all over each other at every fuckin opportunity?? Please
"well max and lucas weren't making out all the time" well max and lucas could be at a different stage of their relationship, couldn't they, they haven't know each other QUITE as long, haven't been through QUITE as much trauma together...see what I'm saying?
"neither mike or el spend any time with anyone else, their relationship is so unhealthy" um yes they do, after they break up their time together gets quite limited okay, and I will agree with you that I think they needed some of that
9) and maybe, MayBE mileven won't be endgame, okay, it is possible, but I will not sit here and pretend that the reason they are not endgame is because they don't care about and love each other
EDIT: 10) "el isn't ready for a relationship" maybe so but y'all think will is?? (Okay this one may be directed at byler/byeler)
Will basically went from pre-pubescent to puberty without properly transitioning between the two, because he was either missing, possessed, or suffering from ptsd for like two years!! And when he's finally okay (mostly), all he wants to do is pretend things are how they used to be. He's not interested in relationships or love or whatever, poor boy just wants to play dnd and not worry or think about stupid grown-up stuff
The last thing he needs (imo) is MORE drama from a relationship. What he needs is someone to just be there for him.
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I know, I'm a bitch, byeler/byler shippers will hate me (if they don't already) or maybe everyone hates me
But
I'm just tired
You can't just claim a ship is real or not but at the sAME TIMe ignore crucial details or facts okay ? (I mean okay, I guess you can, but like why??)
I am going to bed now, of I think of anything else to say, I will add it in the morning, and I am ready for the hate
❤️
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kaypeace21 · 3 years
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maybe stalking your love intrest was a common romantic trope in 80s movies 😂 (this is a joke im a byler stan but im curious tho was it a common trope XD)
Original post they’re referring to
It was. But they’re clearly subverting the problematic trope. I get you’re joking but some shippers will use the excuse of - it’s an 80s trope (to continue thinking they’re ship will be endgame) . And I’m saying... I (personally) don’t think thats the case cause it sends the wrong message.
They had max and others point out what lucas and Jonathan did was “creepy” and “stalking”. Had max in s2 say “stop spying on me, creeps” and mike the next season says horrified to El “were you spying on me? That’s against the rules!” And later in that season, mike implies it’s the reason he doesn’t trust her. “You want to talk about trust?! Really?! After ... eleven spied on us. I guess girlfriends don’t lie they spy!” Imagine if he knew about her (in s2) spying on him for a whole year?! In s2, they had lumax and mileven dance to a song (every breath you take) that the writer said isn’t a love song but about a breakup- and stalker ex . The other song lumax danced to was “time after time” another breakup song. Then in s3 they have mileven breakup & lumax breakup literally 6 times- once for every month (and have El and max spy on lucas/mike when they were broken up-like the song). Not to mention when the mf or the lab “spies” it’s bad ... but when our human characters do it - it’s not?! No it’s a parallel.
If they were ignorant and problematic- they wouldn’t constantly bring attention to the spying being messed up in the first place.
In a Duffers’ interview (beyond stranger things) they said they had Steve purposely give horrible romantic advice to Dustin (aka where he told Dustin to ignore and be rude to Max to get her interested ). Yet , I’m supposed to believe they’re against that ... but somehow fine with -stalking? Nah 😂
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katnissgirlsmakedo · 4 years
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what your favorite stranger things ships say about you
joyce x hopper: you probably just think winona ryder and david harbor are cool, and you’re right. we all know they’re endgame, and you’re like, why even try to resist it? yeah they have flaws, but you do not care and this show is about d&d monsters and you think will and eleven should be siblings so let’s just do this already, you know?
joyce x bob: rip bob. you really liked seeing joyce happy, and there’s nothing wrong with that. however, he is dead, and you should learn to move on from it. 
lucas x max: you just think they are neat. and you wish lucas has more screentime in st3, and more development in general. you are correct. 
dustin x suzie: you thought the never ending story scene was cute, and you don’t think st3 was that bad. you’re happy that these two nerds found each other at summer camp, and who wouldn’t be?
eleven x max: so you like madonna, and you thought el’s outfits in season 3 were bomb, good for you. you have never once belived that max mayfield is straight and that’s valid. 
will x mike: i bet you get/got good grades on your english essays. to ship byler is to be a crackhead, bless your heart. with every new piece of st4 information, your theories get more insane. however, some of you have a tendency to be Too Old, and you should check yourself for that. please stop being too hard on mileven shippers, the fact that you are gay does not automatically make you right. congrats on your english essays tho
steve x nancy: you probably just want steve to be happy, tragically, being in a relationship with someone who does not love him will not do that, get well soon. also, you’re het <3
nancy x barb: you believe strongly in the rich girl/ weird friend dynamic, and you thought barb was cute. you were doomed from the start. 
tommy h x carol: you think they were fun and you miss them. you’re probably gay and also homophobic :)
steve x jonathan: your brain is massive, your meat is huge, and your third eye is WIDE open. you see this garbage show not as what it is, but as what it could be, if it was written by cool people and not two guys who are still upset about being losers in high school. you will never be satisfied with the narrative of the show, but that doesn’t matter because you can live off your own dreams of what could have been. you tragic bastard, keep being a fucking genius. 
mike x eleven: you think you’re stanning an endgame couple, and you’re probably right, but you have forgotten that people do not marry the person they dated when they were 13. you think season 1 was sweet, and you loved their dynamic because it was genuine and nice. i can’t verify this but you probably hated the lost sister episode. please stop being mean to the byler shippers, you are more alike than you realize. 
jonathan x nancy: you are too tired to care about a non-canon, non-endgame ship, and you decided to settle. they’re kinda sweet, they have a nice vibe most of the time, and you like that natalia dyer and charlie heaton are a couple in real life too. or, you are just boring. 
steve x robin: brain worms. worms in the brain. het. :(
robin x nancy: you are a well meaning lesbian. there’s no hope for you at all and i’m so sorry <3 
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