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mysticdragon3md3 · 7 months

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Y'know what?

I don't wish for a fe3h anime adaptation anymore. Intelligent Systems would probably just force everyone to be written out of character, just to simp for the devil empress.

Recently been learning that's what they did with the games' writing. First, that nonsensical Lysithea/El Support. Now I see this quote from 3Hopes Marianne??? wtf ( Referencing: [1] https://mysticdragon3md3.tumblr.com/post/730950195559497728 [2] https://mysticdragon3md3.tumblr.com/post/730306978225831936/dmasterxd )

I recently remembered how us Ryuji fans criticized Persona 5 for bad, inconsistent, or nonsensical writing. More and more i see Intelligent Systems is capable of the same.😮‍💨 "Some people accused us of being selective about which canon characterization to accept, but the truth was that Atlus did some bad writing and it wasn’t wrong for us to call them out on it." [2] If the story establishes a certain characterization for a character, through specific motivations, demeanors, and patterns of thinking, then later writes them to act in an opposite way, that contradicts all that established character, then that just does not make sense. And we don't have to pretend it's good writing anymore. "That type of contradictory characterization, though canon, was BAD WRITING."[2] I thought I could forget about these types of fandom discussions with Atlus, but I guess Intelligent Systems is proving that you never have to feel safe from inconsistent character writing…and then fans arguing from canon quotes/actions that don't make sense to the characters. Yay….x_x;;;;;;;;;;

Our only hope is that a FE3H anime would allow the writing to diverge a lot from the games. Like what Production I.G. did with Sengoku Basara (2009-2011 version). They rewrote that whole thing, so that the focus character could become someone else---Date Masamune, even though the games were trying to keep the perspective evenly across all characters, and at the time, were more heavily marketing Ishida Mitsunari vs Tokugawa Ieyasu---and focus on an overarching theme. Which coincidentally, I still say is very similar to FE3H. "Every group has their own reasons for going to war, their own reasons for what's right and who/what to protect, but generally, if a warlord ingores the toll of their dreams onto the people around them, especially subservient to them, here and now, then they're the villain, no matter how much they thing they're doing Justice." It's like Takeda said, "A man who is careless in small matters cannot be trusted with the larger."…something like that. All the definitive villains in Basara 2009, were defined by not caring about the toll their battles took on bystanders, civilians, the land resources they needed to live, and even the quality of life of the soldiers under their power. Oda burned everything to the ground. Mori treated all his soldiers as disposible pawns (because his idea of protecting his nation was only protecting his literal land territory, because it was sacred or blessed or something). And Toyotomi was creating, as Masamune described it, "a world where only soldiers could live". A world where only the strong would survive. One of the smalller but important points of his season, was that he was conscripting EVERYONE into his military, forcing EVERYONE to become soldiers, which was in direct conflict with what his former best friend Maeda Keiji advocated for during all of the previous season: People who die on the battle field could have had different lives, where they would be free to pursue their own happiness, become scholars, artists, repay their families, and be there for their loved ones; not die needlessly on the battlefield. One of the ending montage shots of Basara season 2 was of Toyotomi's conscripted soldiers, finally able to return home to their villages and take off the armor they were forced to wear for Toyotomi's world conquest. It's really important to me that Basara 2009 took the time to name and characterize their "common soldiers" and think about thier plight. Despite how much I love to suspend disbelief and watch bodies go flying at exploding attacks, during the same series, merely so rival generals can settle their rivalries, I also love how the series really emphasized the weight of war taking people's lives, instead of reducing humanity to disposable for lofty goals (that end up actually rooted in the villain generals' insecurities over their unresolved past traumas). Also, that scene, where Keiji threw away his sword to continue trying to talk Toyotomi out of continuing his war. Even after Keiji was revealed to be one of the strongest fighters. He knew that fighting wars wasn't as important as living simple lives.

How did this FE3H rant turn into reminiscing about Sengoku Basara 2009? omg… I love that anime adaptation. It's so good, I can barely play the games without wishing I was watching the anime instead. lol

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mysticdragon3md3 · 8 months

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Some recent blog Activity, reminded me of an older reblog, and for the first time i noticed someone's reblog counter argument on that post.

Been hearing a lot lately about FE3H writing, bending characters out of reasonable suspended disbelief, just to simp for El. I took their word for it, because I'm not interested in subjecting myself to Crimson Flower or Scarlet Blaze. (After all, it's only fair, after i spent so many years taking Edelstans' word for it, on their reports of plot points...though all those later proved wrong, with counter evidence backed up by screengrabbed quotes.) But, wow! It's true! El routes just straight up make characters OOC, just to simp for El! Wow...

Lysithea analysis post in question:

Simping reblog counter argument:

I gotta agree with OP: Lysithea's actions in Verdant Wind feel more credible as her canon, because she's a Golden Deer. Also, it doesn't make sense---in terms of general reasonable characterization---for a character to be ok with teaming up with someone who is working with the villains who tortured her family. As i skim these Support quotes, it feels more like a setup, for Lysithea to later become disillusioned with El, after seeing how many people her unnecessary methods hurt. ...Unless she was already disillusioned, after seeing what the Agarthans did to Remire village, then later seeing El working with the Agarthans. This Support conversation actually reminds me of being a Ryuji Sakamoto fan in the Persona 5 fandom. Some people accused us of being selective about which canon characterization to accept, but the truth was that Atlus did some bad writing and it wasn't wrong for us to call them out on it. Why would they set up a character like Ryuji who had a background of watching his mother being physically abused by his father, enduring physical abuse from his father himself, and spent most of act 1, rushing to defend women abused by men, multiple times, then later write him as being a horny guy cliche ogling down girls' shirts, trying to get a peek up their skirts, and making grabby hands when they showed up at the beach in their swimsuits. That type of contradictory characterization, though canon, was BAD WRITING. And we don't have to put up with bad writing. So if Lysithea's established characterization doesn't make sense for her to team up with El, then I don't care about their contradictory Supports. I'm more inclined to call that bad writing, bad characterization, and just nonsensical.

Even if El is planning to eventually backstab the Agarthans, she sure did compromise a lot with them, helping them do a lot of bad things in the meantime. She helped them kidnap people, burn villages, use villagers as experiments, and start a war. She just became their Nemesis 2.0, ultimately fulfilling their goals of killing Nabateans and slaughtering humans (which the Agarthans see as less than animals). And i cant help but remember how her reactions, during gameplay, to Bernadetta's death at Gronder (in Verdant Wind & Azure Moon) and her final words before starting the Battle At Gronder, were just so accepting of losses IN PEOPLE'S LIVES. "As long as she gets to move forward, the ends justify the means, right?" 😮‍💨 Every other hero in almost any story realizes that risking themselves or their goals, putting themselves in danger, is preferable vs sacrificing others, even for the sake of their lofty goals. Yet, I'm supposed to treat El as a "hero", while she sacrifices others for her hypothetical goals, and spouts about how the path she won't be deterred from, will EVENTUALLY save people LATER? While killing and harming LOTS of people right now? And continuously? This is supervilllain behavior. Didn't we all learn at least that much from comic books, movies, and fairytales? I guess not. I'm fine with a villain-protagonist, but let's not act like she's not that.

(I'm so glad I'm drifting out of this fandom.)

All I can say is that whatever setup the FE3H writers did to make the audience sympathize with El, was not effective FOR ME personally. There are plenty of other stories about villain-protagonists, the "Revenge Fantasy" genre, characters rampaging, violently, unnecessarily, etc. that I love. But FE3H didn't prime me for that. A lot of other people could sympathize with El. But it just didn't work for me. And that should be okay.

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mysticdragon3md3 · 9 months

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This is my reminder there are 2 posts attached to this 1.

I had heard second-hand, that fans of the Emperor would make-up fictional "reasons" for why she or her route was the best for Fodlan/Byleth. But honestly, I couldn't fully believe people would make arguments with the general fandom, based on fictional headcanons. …And then Twitter plopped it, unprompted, onto my TL. WTF It's almost 3am, and I'm too tired to coherently deal with all these nonsensical, deluded ideas. ...But I can't go to sleep again, after seeing such nonsense. ...I wrote for almost 3 hours...the hell... x_x;

Summary of my private posts:

Fearmongering, particularly over imaginary issues, is a really convenient manipulation tactic, especially to start wars, and the Agarthans used it effectively. I don't understand the need to rage against Byleth not being physiologically human. I don't understand the need to "restore Byleth's autonomous personhood", "disregard godhood", and "reclaim Byleth's humanity". BYLETH ALREADY HAD THOSE THINGS.

#post20230812a0234 #reactions #twitter is a hellsite #processing thoughts #i'm so tired #fandomfrictionfracas #please don’t pick a fight over this as i don’t have the emotional resiliency to deal with internet fights #and you’re not going to change my mind so just ignore my idiocy #fe3hfuukasetsugetsu #elredeaglescrit #beretoberesu #mypovclaudecharacterization #marysuewarpsuniversetosimp4el

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