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why does resentful energy corrupt while spiritual doesn’t? and why does wwx seem to be so unaffected by it in mxy’s body?

i think it’s because spiritual energy comes from nature and (eventually when a person has condensed enough to create a core) from (that) person.

meanwhile, resentul energy is created anytime when a person feels resentful but can mostly only ever really be registered if that person is super resentful after their death (because then their souls are without body’s and free to convert natures (spiritual) energy into resentful energy.

in his first life wwx underwent horrible suffering (physical and psychological) which made him a bit unstable and controlled hundrets (thousands?) of resentful corpses and spend three months in a place where resentful energy festered for decades (centuries?)

this resentful-ness alone these constant voices urging one to violence would be enough to drive someone who is unstable (and even someone with a stable mind) to madness.

wwx also had the stygian tiger seal which corrupted his mind and sought violence. (and i hc that the stygian tiger seal talks inside ones mind while the rest of wwx’s army just battered at his mind from the outside)

wwx was in control of the resentful energy until he slipped up a bit in the heat of a very tense moment, gave wen ning too much, and jin zixuan died for that.

but still, we saw that wen ning acted like wen qing (someone alive in almost the same position) did and can see that wwx was still (mostly) in control (of the resentful energy not the situation) at that point in time.

(pretty sure wn went out of control when wq was burned because she was his beloves sister and he still was (is) an undead resentful creature and his emotions took the best of him)

then wwx got to nightless city to rescue wn & wq (?) and they fought. here we can see him slipping (because of his grief for wq & wn) a bit more but still be in control - not sure if it’s canon that wwx didn’t attack the jiang disciples)

but then jiang yanli dies and he completely looses himself in his grief & consequently his grip on the resentful energy. it fully invades his mind and he kills 3000 people (3000! 3000! wei wuxian. the boy who took in wen cultivators - the people wo destroyed his home and killed his loved ones - because they were treated unfairly. that wei wuxian killed three. thousand. people)

then lwj takes wwx away from the battle and cleanses him with spiritual energy until the elders show up.

wwx makes it back to the settlement where is of sound enough mind to hide a-yuan. (pretty sure the wen knew that they couldn’t all be hidden and chose to stay and die with him)

so then the cultivation world lays siege on the burial mounds and attacks them and wwx, still trapped in his grief wanting to die, and too smart for his own good knowing he won’t survive either way, destroys the stygian tiger seal, lets his army from his leash, and is ripped apart by them in return.

then when he gets summoned into mxy’s body he’s had 13 years of being partially aware (otherwise he wouldn’t be so calm. also i think it’s kinda like a dream - you aren’t aware of time passing or of thoughts but when you wake you know some time has passed and (maybe) feel calmer).

so he’s in control of himself again. he controls resentful energy again but it can’t touch him. his mind is as good as it can be in that situation.

he can control wn again, mindless and bound to another that he is.

even during the second siege of the burial mounds (a place where he has suffered undescribable) where he is around so much resentful energy (both controlling it and being attacked by it) he doesn’t loose control and isn’t affected by it.

so i’d say that yes, resentul energy harms the body and mind, however, it only does so if you can’t control it. sth wwx was (is) clearly able to do and would have been able to keep up if it weren’t for the situation he was stuck in.

#mdzs #wei wuxian #meta #mdzs meta #resentful energy #and it's effects and wwx #mo dao zu shi

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mxtxfanatic · 1 year

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If you don't mind me asking, could you explain more about your thoughts regarding JC and LWJ's actions re: the Wens? I think that part was the span of a year, right?. Seeing Kim's post about the actions, those are within his control but he can't do much outside of that related to the Lans. I remember Ava (@/jiangwanyinscatmom) taking about Clan positions and how little power LWJ would have held regardless if people saw him as Hanguangjun or the Second Master.

I feel conflicted about JC because he's in a similar position where those in power are telling him what is good and what should be done. How can he speak out against it? But isn't that what LWJ and WWX do? Albeit LWJ acts late in taking a stand against his clan, he does so knowing the consequences. He doesn't repent though. I think there's a fundamental difference between JC and LWJ here but I'm not sure how to conceptualize it.

Alright, so my take on this will likely differ in small ways from the other two’s, but the gist will be the same: Jiang Cheng abandoned Wei Wuxian to the mob that he also had a hand in creating, while Lan Wangji had always tried in his own ways to defend wwx and defuse the volatile situation.

For Jiang Cheng, no one was “telling him” what’s right from wrong; he already knows that he would be wrong to persecute the Wen remnants and is also even close to admitting he owed the Wen siblings a life debt. Plus, even if he didn’t, he’s a whole sect leader by this point and could’ve done whatever he wanted unchallenged, just as the Jin did. There’s a reason the clans keep calling conference after conference when shit goes down, even when it only affects one of them; they are not yet powerful enough to act alone with impunity like the former Wen clan was.

What ultimately gets jc to betray any moral uprightness he may have had is petty jealousy and resentment. Jc’s greatest weakness is allowing his inferiority complex to override his logic, making him a perfect puppet for the actually politically savvy characters. We see this when Madam Yu weaponizes jc’s fear that his father doesn’t love him in order to get jc to stand on her side against his own father. We see this when the Jin purposely spread rumors about how all of the Jiang glory is (rightfully) due to wwx’s actions in the sunshot campaign and jc’s hearing these rumors causes him to lash out against wwx as the Jin want. And we see this when, just as jc is about to explain why he owes the Wen siblings a debt, Nie Mingjue interrupts to say that the Wen killed his parents, reminding jc of his resentment and causing him to fall silent, never revealing the debt that could maybe have saved the Wen remnants lives. Jc had the power to protect the Wen remnants and wwx; he chose to give in to resentment instead and led the charge to murder them all.

Lan Wangji is in a similar position of power (clan heir to jc’s clan leader) but takes a completely different course of action pertaining to wwx. When everyone gathers to hear what happened at the Jin flower banquet, lwj publicly calls out Jin Guangyao and Jin Guangshan for lying about wwx’s words and actions to try and paint wwx as rebelling against the Jiang. He only falls back when his brother, knowing that the Jin are lying, steps in to side with them in their smear campaign. Lwj alone goes to check on Mianmian after she leaves from the slander against her for sticking up for wwx. As I’ve mentioned before, lwj was likely the only who inadvertently got the Ghost General rumors spreading by trying to reason with his brother and/or uncle about the truth of the Burial Mounds settlement, as he was the only one not of the settlement who had seen the newly awakened Wen Ning before the rumors spread. And let us not forget that lwj spoke up for the Wen siblings before their “deaths,” before rescuing wwx from Nightless City and fighting his own clan’s disciples to protect him.

I think in wwx’s first life, lwj did hold back on ways he could have helped, but whereas jc’s inaction was due to resentment at wwx, lwj’s lack of strong action came from a myriad of sources: not knowing what wwx needed/fearing rejection from him, his sense of duty to his clan (who he never had to go against before) vs. his morality, and just his personality. We see his conflict of wanting to help wwx vs. wwx’s boundaries and “clear” distrust of him when we get lwj’s convo with lxc before the fated flower banquet: lwj tells his brother that he wants to bring wwx back to cloud recesses, but wwx is unwilling. Lwj knows that something is wrong with wwx even if he doesn’t know what, but his wish to respect wwx and his choices is stronger than his wish to protect him at the expense of wwx’s boundaries. We get this same melancholic acceptance at the Yiling reunion parting, where lwj accepts wwx’s words that there is no other course for him regardless of his actions, as wwx would not (and morally should not) return the Wen or give up his yin tiger tally. For the duty to clan: lwj had never had to stand against his clan on anything, but the wwx/Wen remnants issue actually tested his sense of morality against his family. Yes, lwj was a clan heir and still beholden to his clan leader, but lxc never commanded lwj as a clan leader, only as an older brother. When lxc sides with jgy in his slander against wwx rather than siding with lwj calling out the lie, lwj is hurt by this. Just to make jgy’s life slightly easier, lxc was willing to forsake clan rules and his own brother to put the man he knows his brother loves on the path to destruction, and lwj knows this. But there’s still an issue that comes with this second conflict: his personality.

Lwj is a doer, not a talker. The moments he speaks up for wwx in wwx’s first life are shocking for the people present, but also easily diverted from by people who do not want others to realize the truth of his words. Lwj also doesn’t press what he is saying when he is diverted, giving people the chance to just condescendingly chalk his words up to “lwj is a nice guy so of course he’d speak up, but he’d never really side with someone we all ‘know’ is bad!” The most crucial moment that he should have pressed should have been that very first moment after the flower banquet, but the fact that his own brother sided against him hurt him into silence. All the other moments were a little too late until Nightless City, where it was a fight for wwx’s life. There he is able to show unambiguously whose side he’s on, as you can’t really say that someone only accidentally drew a sword against you or unintentionally injured 33 senior disciples of your clan. This is the moment where his clan realizes that he is serious about standing with wwx, though again by then it is much too late.

Lwj and jc in wwx’s first life aren’t being constrained by the hierarchy, they are being constrained by their own personal struggles: jc and his resentment and lwj his list of reasons. That’s why in wwx’s second life, jc has leaned fully into his resentment to the point of completely deforming all of wwx’s actions to poison Jin Ling’s understanding of his circumstances, while lwj has raised wwx’s son with love and respect and physically stands by wwx’s side in his second life.

#mdzs asks #anon #this is very long but this is what i believe about them #just because wwx is constrained by classism and hierarchy #does not mean that the actual ceritifed clan leaders are too #nothing in the story suggests this #they (the cultivation world) are their own worst enemies by being power hungry and immoral #lwj breaks free of this by never prescribing to it to begin with even if he was born into it

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