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nahobinobrunestud · 11 months
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One of the wonderful things about When They Cry is not only how Ryukishi07 noticably improves as an author and builds upon his themes and ideas from his previous works, but also how each successive work gets more blatantly queer than the last.
Higurashi has quite a bit of plausable deniability on whether its characters are lgbtq. The most obvious ones are Furude Rika and Houjou Satoko for each other, but this can plausibly be denied by someone who doesn't see it without too much of a strech in the original eight episodes. Personally I'd argue that literally the entire main cast of girls are lgbtq of some kind except maybe Hanyuu, but each of those arguments do require interpretation. This is Higurashi from 2002.
Umineko gets more blatant with explicitly queer characters, more often on the magic side but there are some on the human side as well. It's a coinflip on whether Zepar or Furfur is trans (though some clowns will use real life voice actors to try to give a definitive answer). Bernkastel and Lambdadelta are notorious toxic witch lesbians. Furudo Erika and Dlanor are in a less explicit relationship that's a bit dicey at times and coming after Furudo Erika's unpleasant breakup with her boyfriend. Williard seems to be in a relationship with Ushiromiya Lion by the end even as Ushiromiya Lion explicitly states they're unsure of their gender and or don't want to say on the matter and Williard accepts that without hesitation and explicitly states that the audience should too. Ushiromiya Ange has a relationship with Mammon that can be interpreted as romantic as well, and with the open ended ending of her future, one can imagine Ushiromiya Ange as all sorts of sexuality and potentially still in that relationship with Mammon if not closer. And then of course there's Yasuda Sayo or as I'd like to call the queerest and most gender and sexuality character of all time. If I tried to count their potential queer identities, I'd probably miss at least one or two, but they ain't straight and they ain't cis even if their individual personalities might be. There's even more that you could say about the themes of Umineko overall that also tend to involve Yasuda Sayo to some extent, but I'll leave it there. By the latter half of Umineko or the answer arcs, some people reading at the time were wondering basically "Where'd all this gay shit come from?" among other things. Some people couldn't handle it at the time and many still can't, and some are somehow still in denial of Umineko's queerness to this day more than likely. This is Umineko from 2007.
Ciconia even with only one episode out and presumably an eighth of the way done by traditional When They Cry standards manages to be EVEN MORE explicitly queer within said one episode. This time, with no interpretation or any serious level of reading and understanding the text and characters needed, the main protagonists Mitake Miyao and Mitake Meow who share a body are either transgender one way or the other with Mitake Miyao being a boy and Mitake Meow being a girl. To this they're like Yasuda Sayo except they definitely know their sex, and like Ushiromiya Lion they'd rather not say at least yet. Mitake Meow's boyfriend Jayden respects this and that his girlfriend might be trans and that she can tell him and they can work whatever out when she's comfortable about it. There's a whole ass scene or so about this and is impossible to deny. Ciconia also mentions explicitly there being surgery to acquire a penis in the futuristic setting as well, and possibly even artificial wombs if I'm not mistaken too, things that are at the moment still medical hopes and dreams for so many trans people. There's also discussions about the struggles of lgbtq people as well as gay moments mostly among girls but even with a guy as well (not listing them partially because my memory of some of their names is fuzzy, lol). There's a pro yuri nun idol squad even who states that love has no bounds and yuri is the best thing ever essentially, you literally can't get more explicit and in the text than this unless your measure of gayness deems sex to be the epitemy and ideal of gayness at all times. I'm not even sure how you could be a queerphobic When They Cry fan without blatantly ignoring at least one work or malding about it constantly. This is Ciconia from 2019.
This post doesn't say much about Higurashi GouSotsu from 2020 because I haven't watched it myself, but that's pretty explicitly gay too and much more explicit than the original and makes the queer content in the original as well more blunt and obvious. Not necessarily recontexualization so much as a potential fragment that builds upon what was already previously alluded to for nearly two decades by that point.
To people who genuinely think any When They Cry work is definitively and undeniably straight...I really don't know what to tell you lol. Like there's room for intepretation for quite a bit of this including towards a cis or heterosexual explanation at times, but at some point you're just not reading the text very well to think that it's all just cis and straight and that the gays are just delusional somehow, lol.
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batbeato · 11 hours
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What is the relationship between witches and their human selves in Umineko? Thinking about that today. (Also has Higurashi spoilers.)
The first thing to look at should be the simplest: Bernkastel. Bernkastel is only associated with one human self, Furude Rika. In Higurashi, Rika is shown to sometimes act as her "witch self": this is her "self" which holds the trauma and knowledge of all of her loops. In Saikoroshi, Rika feels entirely divorced from the human Rika she was meant to be, 'the Rika of this fragment', and feels like she is no longer Rika, but the witch, Bernkastel. Contrast this with the end of Matsuribayashi, where Bernkastel seems like an entirely separate entity to Rika, speaking as though Rika is someone else and going on in the world of Fragments.
We know that Rika is on the "gameboard" in Hinamizawa celebrating her victory with her friends, but the witch-Rika, Bernkastel, is still trapped in the loops/scenario, toying with possibilities - the traumatized part of Rika that was left behind.
Rika embodied and was Bernkastel, and Bernkastel originally was Rika, but ultimately, Rika and Bernkastel have become separate existences. We can see callbacks to Rika in Umineko, like when Bernkastel names her piece "Furudo Erika" (a riff on Furude Rika), and we can see that Bernkastel is still affected by what happened to her as Rika from her response to Erika mentioning it in EP6.
Since I've brought up Bernkastel, I should also discuss Lambdadelta. Thanks to SotsuGou, people primarily associate her with Satoko nowadays, but she actually bears resemblance to two Higurashi characters: Takano and Satoko. For example, her eyes were originally yellow, and she also has a side story showing her interactions with a child who wanted to become a god - Takano. It's also mentioned that she lost a game against Bernkastel in the past (which Takano did, though as of SotsuGou, Satoko has as well). She lays a trap for Bernkastel in another side story, which links her to Satoko, and she has red eyes in other versions of her sprite, which link her again to Satoko.
However, Lambdadelta is never confirmed to have been born from Satoko or Takano, despite her connections to them. I can't really speak further on her relationship with them as human-to-witch-self without assuming one or the other or both.
Then there's Featherine, who seems to be a mixture of Hachijo Tohya and Ikuko. She has Ikuko's appearance, but also uses Tohya's name. As the witch-author of the story, she likely comes from both of them. Her primarily being based off of Ikuko in terms of appearance and personality may arise from Ikuko doing most of the writing, or from something in their relationship (interpersonal or as writers).
However, she often seems to show feelings that may come from Tohya, such as her kindness towards Ange in EP8. And yet, this contrasts her cruelty at the end of EP6/in EP7. This likely comes from her existence being based off of two different people: she is the witch born from the author 'Hachijo Tohya', who is in truth both Tohya and Ikuko. She is a single entity disguising two people.
Featherine's given backstory is that she sleeps for long periods of time, only to be revived by a new story. She is Bernkastel's master who taught her how to "eat meat" (likely, to cannibalize stories for entertainment, rather than being part of a story), and Bernkastel also revived Featherine at one point. Featherine is also connected to Hanyuu by Eua in SotsuGou, who appears to be similar to her. However, there is no known connection between the humans here, only the witches.
This can have various reasons:
The simplest is that Higurashi and Umineko have the same actors in different roles. In Higurashi, Bernkastel may have been born from Rika, but in Umineko, Bernkastel is born from Ikuko's cat, Bern. The links between the two Bernkastels are fun easter eggs without much consequence, and the same goes for any other cross-VN relations or connections. This is also the most boring answer, in my opinion.
Another is that, even if Higurashi and Umineko have both taken place in the same universe, that does not mean that the Hinamizawa and Rokkenjima gameboards exist in the same universe. Higurashi in the world of Umineko might be a story that Ikuko wrote. It is possible that Hanyuu was a character she projected a lot onto, as a woman who was rejected by her community, killed by her husband, and now clinging to the companionship of her descendant, Rika. Ikuko herself was exiled from her family, removed from the outside world, and was very lonely. The story was abandoned, but somehow Bern, her cat, gave her inspiration to finish it: thus Bernkastel the witch, a mixture of her cat and her character, Rika, was born and had saved Featherine. Some other explanation of events may also serve to connect the characters together.
Overall, however, regardless of reasoning, Featherine seems very disconnected from Ikuko and Tohya. Part of this may be due to the additional layer that Featherine is in the story, while Ikuko and Tohya are alive, human writers that exist outside of it.
This is very different to the close, interwoven relationship that Eva and Evatrice have. Evatrice is separate from Eva, but in the sense that Evatrice is Eva's childhood trauma and discarded dreams personified as a witch. They share a body on the gameboard, and are only fully separate in EP8. For them, there is no full separation or denouncing of them as Eva: they are both Eva, just with a focus on different parts of their lives.
I also want to mention Ange: her final transformation into the "witch of the future" at the end of the story coincides with the 'death' of Ange, and her rebirth into Yukari. Ange was a witch, but in order to live on, she is reborn into Yukari who is a 'white witch' and an author that brings happiness to children. She leaves behind her old identity while still carrying the memories of that time (as evidenced by her emotional reunion with Tohya). However, up until this point, Ange as a witch had no separation from Ange as a human. Maria and Battler are similar: they become their witch-selves, with no separate human self remaining (except, in Battler's case as a higher-level witch, for his gameboard/piece self).
...Technically Virgilia is a witch, but she is one made by a fantasy conception of her, rather than Kumasawa's own decision to become a witch. There isn't much of a relationship to be had.
I saved Beatrice for last for a reason.
Some people consider Sayo to have become Beatrice, given the events of the Confession chapters of the manga. However, there is also room to interpret them as similar to Bernkastel and Rika's relationship, where the witch and human were once one, but have since separated.
For example, Beatrice's red truth that the sin Battler committed wasn't against her, as well as her discussion with her piece-self (Sayo) in EP4, promising her that she will take care of everything, may indicate that Beatrice does not feel that she is 1:1 with Yasuda Sayo.
Another thing to consider is Sayo's conception of herself: she speaks of the world as though she is like a director or god, distinct from it. "I'm modifying the world so that Beato is me." "I'm done acting the part of the servant." Sayo herself doesn't appear on the stage: only Beatrice does. Her personas (Beatrice, Kanon, Shannon) are the only versions of herself allowed to appear. She also narrates separately from the trio in EP7 - "Then, Beatrice. From now on, you will carry the bud of love. In other words, the role of being infatuated with Battler and waiting for his return will go to you."
Much like Rika, Sayo embodied Beatrice, considering her to be a secret "witch-self" separate from her "daily-self". However, Sayo did not even consider her "witch-self" to be herself completely, instead speaking of Beatrice in the third person. In that case, where is Sayo, if she is not Beatrice (and certainly not Shannon or Kanon, who are also explicitly created by her)? She refers to "us" (all three personas and herself), indicating that her "true self" is none of the three, but separate.
In that case, with Sayo holding themself to be separate from Beatrice, Shannon, and Kanon, can Beatrice really be said to be Sayo, and Sayo to be Beatrice, rather than the relationship of "Beatrice was once Sayo" that Bernkastel seems to hold with Rika? Is it more of the enmeshed relationship that Eva has with Evatrice? Or is it the disconnected relationship that Featherine, as the author-avatar, has with Ikuko and Tohya?
If we go by Confession's depiction, Sayo's truest self is Beatrice, as she becomes her within the catbox and acts out the role of Beatrice. But if we go by EP7, Sayo doesn't seem to align with any of her personas as a truest self, even Beatrice. All three of them are acknowledged as separate from Sayo, which fits with all three of them existing separately within the catbox. Sayo did not directly or fully "become" any of the three, so all three hold equal status as 'furniture' that need a soul to become real and to be loved (see: the EP6 love duel).
Since the two depictions appear to conflict, I would say that both of them (and all others on this spectrum) should be permitted in the catbox.
Witches seem to have varying relationships with their human forms. Are they cocoons they were nurtured in and they left, or are their human selves still an important of them, witch and human interlinked? Or do they distinguish themselves so much from their human forms that the connection is difficult to see? However, their human selves always shape their past and who they are now. There is no fully severing the connection between reality and fantasy.
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whenthechickencry · 2 months
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Umineko EP8 Tea Party, ??? and End
Featherine is writing and starts talking about when is an appropriate time to finish a tale, remarking that this kind of tale should probably be left in a cat box. Bernkastel is sewing Lambdadelta back up in very sexually charged language, Erika comes to the room, Bernkastel reveals Dlanor is still in touch with her, LambdaBern flirt some more and Erika gets jealous.
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Gertrude has earned a promotion, Cornelia is learning martial arts. Will is.... a landlord who plays Badmington with Lion. Dlanor is still hard at work. Lambdadelta and Bernkastel promise to see each other when something else cries.
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I think I mentioned it before, but one of my goals for this replay was to have a deeper appreciation for Bern and Lambda. I played the game originally as my first WTC game so I was constantly like, "Well that's definitely hinting at something I don't get". On replay, I appreciate them a lot more and I think reading their lines also gives you a lot of understanding towards other characters, as well.... a lot of scenes are even further contextualized by GouSotsu. If you don't have the context for Higurashi it is very easy to villainize Bernkastel a lot and not understand her as anything more than evil, which I think is a disservice for any Umineko character. I also appreciate Erika a lot more, she feels kind of like a tertiary main character of the answer arcs haha, I mentioned it a lot but I really do pity her a lot and I do kind of hope for better for her anyway. Meanwhile....
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Sakutarou is now famous, and also Ange I guess. Or Kotobuki Yukari. Ange is spending her life writing books, hoping to help more children find magic and happiness. Then the name Hachijo Tohya gets brought up... Ange remembers how Hachijo's refusal to reveal the truth ultimately led to the Rokkenjima Mystery to die down, and thanks her. Ange agrees to meet with Hachijo and it is revealed that Hachijo is 2 people.
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Ange doesn't really know how to deal with the reveal Battler is "Alive", other than shock. Happy he's alive though. She mentions how if it happened at another time, she would probably be pissed he hadn't shown himself up earlier, but right now she's just happy the miracle happened. Battler confirms what we saw at the very end of ep8, and Ange seems to blame herself for the reunion taking so long, due to her changing her name. But then she thinks about how she did try to meet with Hachijo once and was denied, but then instead of blaming anyone decides to just thank God for the miracle. I am so happy to see Ange so.... at peace. But Hachijo and Tohya reveal that they were perfectly capable of meeting her before, which throws her for a loop, and starts getting actually angry. Tohya explains how he has Battler's memories, but isn't Battler.
I forgot Tohya tried to kill himself, damn, considering Sayo's own issues with identity I can imagine writing the forgeries also helped him cope with his own fragmented identity....
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Those tears are so pained... I want to cry. Ange accepts that Battler is both dead and came back to her, and is doing her best to hold herself together for Tohya.
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I am a little relieved it is an entirely different Gospel House, the original was kind of fucked up, but this is a house for children to learn of magic. Ange reveals that not only is this a replica of the Ushiromiya Mansion hall, but it's the same as EP8's Halloween party... certainly showing the Battler inside Tohya that he can rest easy with everyone else now.
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Battler is back home, Ange and Tohya can keep living in the future with no regrets.
Man, I really don't know what to say. I have already said so much but it still feels like I have so much to learn from Umineko. Umineko and Higurashi have meant so much to me across the years and I am so glad my replay led to me loving this experience more than I did. I hope one day I can revisit the game in Japanese, I am on classes and I want to come back once I am good enough to read this. That's uh, very far in the future though. I still have a lot to say and I will make more posts about my general thoughts once I finish reading all the side content. For now, I will say this replay made me appreciate a lot more how carefully handled the mystery was, and how it made me appreciate the answer arc in a lot of new ways.... first time I thought ep5-6 were one of the weaker arcs and now I think they are among the strongest. It's kind of funny though, I don't really feel the finality I feel when ending a lot of games. I still have so much more to learn about the world of Umineko and When They Cry, so finishing a game doesn't feel like an ending but just a step toward understanding more. This blog has mostly just been a tool for me to force myself to think a bit deeper into scenes than usual, via forcing myself to write down my thoughts. It's a little embarrassing but it has been a fun thing to do. I will probably keep doing it in the future, and I hope doing this will help me improve myself if only a little bit.
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overflowchute · 6 months
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didnt realize why lambdadelta was candy themed until i just saw a tumblr post mention it and now i feel so fucking silly oh my god IT'S SO OBVIOUS
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nanjokei · 10 months
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one reason i don't mention a lot for hating sotsugou is that i was ALWAYS a satoko=lamdadelta truther. from the first time ryukishi mentioned it publically maybe a decade ago that lambdadelta was more like satoko and not takano i was there. so seeing how much of a shitshow the "origin story" is, how much it assassinates her character, how much it shits on her original arc i can only feel disgust. even though it hasn't really ruined lambdadelta or satoko for me, i cannot deny they are like 1% tainted as a result
how the fuck do you take a character whose arc was that she is an abuse victim who is seemingly destined to be a victim for the rest of her life due to circumstances she as a child cannot control, only to turn her into a manipulative psycho who actively lies about her abuse. you know, it's especially egregious when the reason why child protective services would not help her in the first place in the original continuity is because she did the whole boy who cried maneuver ONCE as a child which got her marked as a problem case not worth investigating anymore. the entire struggle to break her out of her fate by her friends where adults have failed, literally reduced to nothing because ryukishi wanted to jack off to his poorly written yuri yandere loli fanfic (you guys DO know that ryukishi's cp artwork is out there? i literally stumbled on it by accident on a mega folder that had all his works archived (since nuked) and i wish brain bleach was a thing. i'm not firing blanks here just to insult him, i am not that kind of bitch, the guy is a nonce.)
like, as dear as higurashi and umineko are to me, i still love them, i just cannot support this guy anymore. if you wanna know what other bullshit he's been up to i implore you to read this review/summary of g*rokasu, one of his recent romps, where the moral of it is basically "changing your birth gender is bad actually" so warning for transphobia when you read the review. the more time passes the more i think yasu was a whole ass fluke.
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kassandra-the-witch · 8 months
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Glad to see more umi liveblogs around here! Btw, how much do you know about it since you mentioned Lambda and Bern in one of your posts?
Hello there! Excellent question. I try not to know anything about Umineko before it is revealed in the story itself and try to avoid all additional spoilers because I do like the idea of solving this story as is as fast as possible. I do know about Lambdadelta and Bernkastel from @siphonophorus sharing no-context memes with me that suggest some sort of dadaistic unhinged lesbian tension between Bernkastel and Lambdadelta
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kob131 · 10 months
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Is it pathetic of me that every single line out of Lambda’s mouth is giving me chills?
Sorry if I get a bit intense but...jesus.
Beatrice’s faces and lines don’t even begin to compare to her. Beatrice was always so forceful and upfront with her emotions and intent that it just came across as forced and comical. Like you could tell she was trying harder than she felt.
But jesus fuck, Lambda. Mirage Coordinator really does a good job emphasizing how intense and oppressive she is unlike the soaring orchestral tracks that accompany Beatrice. And the fact that her face usually doesn’t distort as often as Beatrice’s means the intensity feels all the more real. Not to mention- she’s a far better tormentor and strategist than Beatrice.
Beatrice is an adult woman with the mindset of a cruel but innocent child.
Lambdadelta is a child with the mind and obsession of an adult.
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fostersffff · 8 months
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Other stuff on Umineko Episode 4 pre-Tea Party I forgot to mention because I was piecing things together:
I Definitely Don't Trust Bernkastel No More
This has almost nothing to do with the fact that she deceived Ange (which, again, I didn't even realize was supposed to be a deception at first) and more to do with the fact that she brought Battler back. Because... why would she do that? I figured she had intuited that Lambdadelta's angle was to keep her trapped for all eternity, and took Beato's withdrawal as the perfect out. I don't think she did it for Ange, because she pretty readily admitted she was, ultimately, just a piece on the board, and therefore below that kind of polite consideration so my only conclusion is that she wants to win, which... is worrying!
Kasumi Was Ultimately Used Well
Kasumi still sucks, but I think having her ultimately be a utilitarian vessel for Eva Beatrice's malice/black magic/unhealthy coping mechanisms that perpetuate The Cycle of Violence was about as well as she could have possibly been used. So, big feather in Ryukishi07's cap for that.
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agwic · 2 years
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since I'm about to start watching higurashi gou which will inevitably change my opinions on bernkastel and lambdadelta, I'm gonna state my opinions on them now. which is that I don't get why people act like lambda's good and bern is bad? like I feel like the story makes it pretty clear that they're both evil people who would kill people for fun because they see them as nothing more than pieces in a game, and the only reason bern is being evil is because she's playing that role for this game, and lambda's playing the role of the good guy. but like, lambda doesn't actually sacrifice herself, she just gets an epic battle and then is relegated to being a spectator, but still solidly alive, seconds later. honestly I feel like bern helps more than lambda because in playing the bad guy, she really makes the good guys a lot more confident in their beliefs. like, without bern, ange would have just gone along with battler in episode 8 without really thinking about why, which I feel like everyone can agree would be worse than what happened with bern. not to mention that bern introduced clair to lion, giving her hope that in another reality, she could have been happy. and like sure bern does traumatize lion and ange but lambda also traumatizes people and doesn't help in any way except as just brute force near the end of episode 8, so I still feel pretty confident in saying that the two of them are just as evil as each other.
now erika is in fact far more evil than both of them, combined. there is nothing but malice in that little gremlin. she's the best.
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livecharliereaction · 1 month
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UH UH UH UH COOL CHAPTER INTRIGUE GOING UP AND UP im worried im doing it too fast and its ending soon but i cant help myself! im surprised bcs i did not have this flow during most of higurashi only really during 3-6 chapters which is a lot its like all of it but in comparison its crazy do u think thisll hold up the whole thing well probably not anyway
best scene awards go to
Rosa Torture: What can i say. Shes just horrible enough for me to not really feel too bad about it and well beatrice is fun
Murders in Jessicas Room: first time seeing beatos furniture???? the blade shit???? the two corpses being described to lay in the shape of a gemini constellation before beato erases his body and says shell show us what disgracing the dead is all about???? this whole thing with kanons regrets and inhumanity this chapter anyway???? love it
Imposter Kanon in The Servant Room: Sorry its been stuck in my head the whole day. The way that thing was. Im sorry but fingering is the only word i can think to describe it so sorry. The wound anyway. What the fuck. Shannon rushing out so fast The knocks on the door anyway ur like "i guess its beatrice" and then well. Ur frantically checking the tab where it says Kanon is dead. There was no corpse but "She said it in red so it must be true." But the characters are all talking like kanon showing up is normal because they dont KNOW. (except shannon Why did she realise??? Bcs theyre so close she could see somethings off???) The spider thing crazy detail. I dont know man. Im going to kill myself no im not. ok chapter 3 when i can yup yup yup...
HONORARY MENTION: Lambdadelta u look cool ive seen u around ive seen the yuri but i never fully looked at her Full Design well she looks sick. im going to lose my mind if its somehow satoko do u remember my whole thing w satoko doubts in higu livetweet. THEY NEVER SHOWED HER POV THEY NEVER SHOWED HER POV RHAHRAHAHRHARHAHRHARH satoko i promised to never doubt you again. But oh my god. What thef chk
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lamda-erika · 2 months
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HEYYY heres my introduction to get to know me better!
im lambda-erika
im an agender asexual faggot that simps over men to a totally normal degree
my main hyperfixations incluce :
umineko
hazbin hotel
lost media
homestuck
trolls
i simp for fictional characters and date them if this is something that for some god foresaken reason gets on your nerves dni!!!
im also a satanist that respects all VALID religions (one of my besties is catholic sooo)
i am also a furry!!
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interact :
umineko fandom
hazbin fandom
cool awesome valid people (furries, therians, etc)
thin ice :
south park fandom
THOSE genshin fans
people over 20
selfcest / autosexual people (if you don't mention it much you're fine :3)
dni :
basic dni criteria (if you dont know what this is, GOOGLE IT.)
proshippers
anti-furry / anti-therian
rcta / ncta / dcta / acta
political people
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the kin list (closer to the top means most irl) :
pitaya dragon cookie (cookie run kingdom)
mizuki akiyama (project sekai)
erika furudo (umineko)
lambdadelta (umineko)
kat stratford (10 things i hate about you)
husker (hazbin hotel)
vaggie (hazbin hotel)
hope to meet new and awesome people!
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umicatto · 8 months
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(Huge Spoiler/EP1) The sixth body in the first Twilight and identification errors
In the official explanation the first Twilight in the first game says there was nothing. Kanon and (the accomplice) Hideyoshi are pretending that Shannon was lying in a dark corner. The sixth corpse doesn't exists. Lambdadelta also confirmed the deaths of all unidentified corpses (which is an actual problem, explained later).
Battler was saying this when he saw the crime scene:
"How many people died…?……You're fucking kidding me! That's more than I can count on one hand! Damn iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!
This is also true in the Japanese version. Retrosprectively, many noticed that it's kinda off. Battler has all his 5 fingers on each hand so I can exlude that one of his hands was missing a finger. Maybe it was exaggeration or assumption, but let's say Battler has a good overview of the scene. Of course he could see 5 very clearly and could described the damage of their faces
A side note of this, Battler was identifying 4 corpse by their clothes. It was briefly discussed by Gretel, Battler and Beatrice in EP4. I saw many people said "Battler is the detective and says X is dead so it's true". This might be true but identifying by clothes is a huge mistake by the detective and Battler intuitively assumed the corpses are the people he know. Thankfully, Beatrice won't use this move anymore. A second note: Any bodies who haven't seen in full shouldn't be declared dead. This is true for later Episodes. In that means the sixth body that Battler "could" see a part of can be dead or alive.
Anyway, back to the sixth corpse. We have a simple problem with the narration because it was George who asked if a sixth person was in the garden shed and the pov narration switched to the unreliable authorial narration. Hideyoshi is really unreliable here because could lie about even seeing the face (as George mentioned Shannon's face Hideyoshi responded accodingly in a wiser manner.
"...Why...? After all, I won't be able to see Shannon's face again, right...? So, why can't I see... her last face...?"
From here, we have more possibilities.
"Illusions to illusions. ...The corpse that cannot return to earth returns to illusions."
(let's forget about the canon culprit for a while) Will's explanation is vague and speaks about faking death. The obvious answer would be lying about the existence of the corpse. Incorporating the previous collected information could also mean that the body (dead or not) was real and was tainted with a false identity and fake blood, Kanon and Hideyoshi failed to identify it and Hideyoshi felt to give George a proper, delicate answer and an excuse not to see his dead girlfriend and lied about the smiling face.
"OMG there are only 16 humans on Rokkenjima! YOU R WRONG!"
If we forget the canoncity for now that can easily means that the sixth body can belong to someone who prepared one of the 4 daceless body with their clothes and a wig, effectly faking their death. Taking into the account that the sixth body belongs a female (breasts) it could be Rosa or Kyrie.
"It's not CANON!"
There's a possibility that a substitute corpse exists. [Gold Truth] The sixth body belongs to Erika Furude who was found dead before by the culprit comitted the crime. Thus, the culprit changed their plan and included the extra corpse in their plan. It was hidden in the dark corner just in case.
If you think about it, in the canon, EP1 was the only Episode where Shannon "dies" first before Kanon and it was avoided to remove her corpse by actively lying about it and place it in the fate of the roulette. In my theory, I think it was strange to create such a crime because Battler was free to go in. If he went in before Hideyoshi made a remark about Shannon's corpse then it would a whole Episode about "is Shannon the killer because she didn't go to her guest house shift?". If Hideyoshi made a remark about Shannon's corpse and Battler disproved this it would Shannon and also Hideyoshi/Eva suspicious. In these cases, it makes more sense, for the culprit's best interest, to change their plan (using another person as the 6th corpse and "killing" Shannon or Kanon in the 2nd Twilight) or using a real substitute with make-up to complete the 1st Twilight. The garden shed is a nice hiding place and Kanon usually tends the garden. This might be a good reason to consider a substitute corpse.
(yeah I know about Eva's hints but it was started by Battler anyway) . Since I mentioned that Hideyoshi lied for George's sake I think it can be explained rationally. After a heated discussion in the parlor Eva tried to convince George to go with them. I'd say it's a 50/50 chance Eva/Hideyoshi were accomplices. The 2nd Twilight can be explained with an assault (cutting the chain/unlocking the room with a master key and rushing the guest room, the chain could be cut afterwards). I read people said they let the culprit in but it doesn't really explain why Eva found lying on the bed.
Well, that's all for today. Happy thinking!
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whenthechickencry · 4 months
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Umineko EP5. Tea Party and ???
The tea party starts by discussing what most magical beings are, starting with the Seven Sisters being cheap souvenirs.... they point out the Chiester Sisters are rifles but not that they are Maria's toys, which is kind of interesting. Dlanor tries to stop Bernkastel from defiling their executions and gets shut down because of Bernkastel's authority,
Bernkastel finally mentions Erika as her daughter after lovebombing her for a while and Erika is happy for like, the first time since her introduction... I always feel really bad for Erika in spite of it all.... narration points out she literally starts shaking at being allowed to call herself a witch.
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Lambdadelta walks to Battler's corpse and talks about how disappointed she is. Dlanor just did this as well. Battler has disappointed everyone. Lambdadelta and Bernkastel flirt for a bit and Erika reveals the totally real title of Episode 6: Checkmate of the Golden Witch (ignore than in this version you can see all the titles from the main screen)
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I will do the ??? as well since the Tea Party was really short. Beato NOW comes to tell Battler he is a liar and disappointed her, like everyone else by this point... the different voice she uses for I am sorry breaks my heart.
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We flashback ad get an extended scene of Dlanor Virgilia Batller discussing the mystery genre more broadly, Battler doesn't like Knox commandments because saying shit isn't even worth investigating is arrogant and limits the genre (and also obviously doesn't like how Erika uses them to shut down theories before they are even looked into) but Dlanor talks about how they are there in order to have the trust in the writer in that the mystery is solvable. The discussion about how humans need assurance that what they are solving is solvable resonates with me..... often I assume I shouldn't even try to fix problems or solutions because I assume I am too dumb to solve them anyway,
So, the red is Beatrice giving Battler the tools he needs to solve her heart, and after enough failings and forcing him to try without much success....
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im going to kill you Battler
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As we move forward, Battler begins to realize how everyone has been throwing and throwing hints at him and he has been throwing them away, Battler starts making his final theory, his last attempt. With Knox's 1 he realizes everyone after EP1 must not be the culprit. Uses Knox second to realize that all the magic scenes had a deeper meaning in them.
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Battler realizes EP3 was easy mode for babies, lol.
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Battler's first words at realizing the truth: "Idiot..." Battler realized it was too late for Beato. Battler wasn't able to reach Sayo's heart when it mattered the most.
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The game is allowed to continue because of Lambdadelta acknowledges Battler as the new Golden Witch, Lmand might not hand answers but she will help the people truly put in effort and create certainty. Erika feels humiliated by the fact Battler has a higher rank than her now... Battler's role as a Witch is pretty interesting too... he isn't interested in creating a truth so much as in creating enough truths to cast doubt into Erika's theory.... in other words, furthering the Illusion of the Witch. He could deny the Natsuhi theory but that would expose the game and destroy the witch illusion.
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The usage of "Demon's script" is pretty interesting haha, still see yourself as the heroine of this story, Bern?
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Battler starts putting down the foundations for Battler culprit theory.... Battler putting an insane theory first thing after reaching the truth must have gotten some people really confused. Battler immediately destroys everything Erika has been building up to in a single red.
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Battler points out they eren't dead when he yelled, which is true, and then Ronove points out they only need to be dead by the end of the game for the red truths to be valid. Ronove, Gaap, Virgilia and even Dlanor for good measure group up to dunk on Erika.
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The Golden Truth.
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Jesus Christ.
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Erika accepts her role as Detective before Witch.
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mechahero · 8 months
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@certitudinis asked- “ that was fun, man, you're fun, dude. ” rotb sentence starters (accepting)
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"I'm really not." Ow. His hand hurts. Ow. A thumb rubs soothing circles over aching knuckles (which does not do him any good as the contact only hurts more.) He curses himself out for that last punch he threw. Not the smartest idea he had, now that he thinks about it. It could have been worse though and he's at least thankful he didn't do anything dumber than that.
Though he sure did think about it.
"Why are you so... like that?" He questions with a circular motion of his hand. Whether he was referring to Lambdadelta's status as a witch, he didn't know. But if she did mention that, he was going to teleport a hat in and eat it right then and there. "Like, holy shit. Were you tryin' to kill me or somethin'? What the fuck?"
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ultraericthered · 1 year
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A great video that puts into perspective just how well Meguri has done at fixing the basic fundamental premise of Gou/Sotsu’s narrative and the development of its most central characters so that hopefully it can come to a more satisfying conclusion next year.
Two points worth mentioning:
1. Since this video was made, Looper Satoko has gotten to show how vile and cruel she can be, especially in the Demon Revealing arc, which does lessen the sympathy you’d initially had for her but only so much as is needed to sell her as a villain all while still making sure to give us bits that humanize her and remind you how pitiful her whole character and circumstances are. We know her heart has to fracture as her trauma and regrets overtake her and her Witch self (proto-Lambdadelta) is born, so I really cannot wait to see that again.
2. No, there will never be an Umineko answer arc anime that could be workable. The Umineko question arc anime was hardly workable to start with! Umineko is unadaptable as an anime series, period.
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blue-scorpion-king · 4 years
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“I was always here.”
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(Artist: Unknown, for now)
- Chara (Undertale) - [https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Chara]
She is simply the force of conflict and evil when an world's story needs, send by Lambdadelta, The Witch of Certainity. Even as an 'protagonist' herself or an corrupting force behind an certain 'character'. Along with a liking to knives, Sans not liking her, and being an 'demon' that appears when her name is called.
Age: ????
Personality (Similar to Kain and added to her canon personality):
[SPOILERS for Undertale, even after 5 years later]
While initially cast in a sympathetic light, Asriel admits at the end of the True Pacifist Route that Chara "...wasn't really the greatest person." Asriel states that Chara climbed Mount Ebott for an unhappy reason, and adds that Chara "hated humanity". At the end of the Genocide Route, Chara behaves in a polite, deliberate manner, thanking the protagonist for guiding them, and teaching them that power was the reason they awoke. They tell them that their determination woke them from death when entering the Underground. However, if the protagonist refuses to destroy the world, Chara becomes frustrated and confused, wonders what the player wants instead, and then finally gives in to the frustration, erasing the world anyway.
But, besides traits from the 'story' of the Underground, Chara also has these traits: Cunning, going for subtle actions, relentless, arrogantly wise, one who would be the one who works through evil in a story, or be the face of evil and conflict in a 'story', or none of the two, like being an source, an giver of great power that comes at a dark cost, shouldering past regrets and doubts, prevalent sense of irony and dark humor, though having little hint-filled moments of compassion, appreciates honesty to a fault, only telling half-truths or partial truths if 'necessary', values loyalty, hates insubordination and betrayals, well to her anyways, those who work hard to earn their happy endings, even with dark deeds that have been done, like her master, Lambdadelta, when she feels like acknowledge, and fulfills her role as an bringer of conflict and evil to the fullest extent, down to her corrupted SOUL.
Tier level (Her full on tier level, but it also is dependent on the 'story' of the world, by the reasoning and whims of Lambdadelta): ***Complex Multiverse level.***
~The Bat~
Disclaimer: The music does not belong to me. It is that simple.
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