absolutely sick at the parallels between red and you’re losing me. red is all about what it’s like to lose the other person (“losing him was blue like i’d never known, missing him was dark grey all alone, forgetting him was like tryna know somebody you’ve never met…”) but you’re losing me is all about the feeling of being lost BY SOMEONE ELSE. red is watching someone else slide away, you’re losing me is sliding away.
makes me soooo afraid that tortured poets is going to be about where both of these feelings meet: how terrible it was to lose you while knowing it also meant losing myself
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did the zenin every try to convince megumi to stay with them by not beating the hell out of him? like were they ever nice or kind? other than maki and mai and the few times together, does megumi have any positive memories of anyone in the zenin?
idk just seems a bit counterintuitive to continuously isolate and destroy your relationship with the biggest thing since sliced bread by never showing him an ounce of kindness or sympathy even when he’s a kid.
So yes and no.
In their minds, they absolutely did, but Megumi would say they didn’t. The key issue is that they never tried to appeal to Megumi for who he actually was, but who they wanted him to be. They were trying to be nice to someone who wasn’t real to begin with.
Megumi got special treatment from the rest of the clan. He had the nicest clothes. He had personal trainers. He had the direct attention of the head of the clan. He had a private bathhouse and servants to attend him in it. He had a private room in the home of the clan head, who had the nicest home in the entire compound. All his meals were prepared for him and brought to serve him directly.
In the eyes of the clan, they were spoiling him. Everyone else was fighting for scraps. They all trained, but it was in crowded, sweaty rooms where they didn’t get attention unless they were already exceptional. The Zenin clan is very old fashioned, so they don’t really have private baths in homes. They were all bathing in communal bathhouses where you had to wait for your turn and half the time you got there and realised that you were out of soap.
Beating him was never a big deal, in the Zenin’s mind. They all got beat. It was a part of training. You learn to think through pain and react in a fight if you’re experiencing real pain, which is the exact reasoning Maki brings to hitting Yuuta during training. If they made the Ten Shadows exempt from that, they’d be weakening the person who was supposed to be their strongest by coddling him.
So the Zenin would say Megumi was already being spoiled by the clan, and any attempt to stop his training in handling pain was just another attempt at sabotaging his development.
The thing is that Megumi didn’t want any of the things that they were “spoiling” him with.
He hated the clothes they had made for him. He wanted to wear his own clothes. He couldn’t even pick what to wear. It was another way he lost control. Yeah, they gave him his own room in the nicest house, but he was getting locked into it, and he was only in there when they had finished training him to the point of collapse. The bathhouse was a traumatizing experience for him. He was stripped down and forcibly bathed by strangers. It wasn’t a luxury to him; it was a violation. He would have taken the communal bathhouse any day. He had no say in what he ate, and his meals were brought to him because it allowed the Zenin to pack his schedule even tighter, because he didn’t even get real meal breaks. He just paused to eat and then immediately picked up with whatever they were teaching him. But they never registered any of this as driving him away, because they were too deluded by who they wanted him to be rather than who he actually was. The Ten Shadows in their mind would not only not be upset by this, but he would appreciate it. Megumi was meant to be honoured by the clothes and the room and the private bathhouse. And he would be, as soon as they broke him of Gojo’s control. Any time he expressed upset was just another show of what Gojo had done to him. He needed to be freed from it, so they never actually heeded him begging them to stop.
It’s also important to note that most of the Zenin didn’t know how bad the beatings were.
Again, all of them got beat. The clan head got beat when he was a kid. It’s expected for them. But none of them got beat as badly as Megumi, except for maybe his father when he was Megumi’s age.
Because a lot of the beatings weren’t coming at the hands of someone who wanted him to love the clan. They were coming from Naoya. Who hated him.
Naoya wants him to hate the clan. Fuck, he wants him dead. Megumi is everything he was supposed to be, and he wants him gone. He wants to hurt him.
Naoya got more access to Megumi than anyone else in the clan when Megumi was a kid. He was one of their most gifted fighters and high up in the clan, but not so high up that he was busy with actually running it, so he was tapped in as his trainer. He went farther in hurting megumi than anyone else in the clan thought or expected he was. He was just supposed to hit him when he taught him how to fight, to train him how to take pain, and as a disciplinary measure to break him of Gojo’s influence. But even then, discipline in the Zenin compound usually stops at a few slaps. Like, they still all are abusing their children, don’t get me wrong, but the extent of the abuse that all of them face was no where close to the abuse that megumi was under.
Naoya wasn’t beating Megumi to train him. He was beating him to hurt him. He wanted Megumi to suffer as much as possible. He wanted to make him feel pain.
The rest of the clan never heard Gojo’s claims that he had taken Megumi away because they were beating him, but they wouldn’t have believed them if they did. Megumi was supposed to be their strongest, so if they could take training, he could take training. He was getting every luxury and benefit that they weren’t getting. The whole clan thought he was being treated like a little prince. Of course he didn’t need to be protected from them. They all have the mindset of “my parents hit me when I fucked up, and I turned out fine.”
If Megumi hadn’t had cursed energy, Naoya would have killed him with how badly he was beating him within a month. Even with cursed energy, he almost killed him.
It’s not the expected norm to beat clan members within an inch of their life, unless they’re failures like Megumi’s dad who they actually want to kill. That would be counterintuitive. They need their members in peak physical condition to be fighters. No one there would believe that’s what Naoya was doing if they knew.
The worst of the abuse came from someone who actually hated megumi and wanted to hurt him. But none of the “positive” things they said they spoiled Megumi with actually had any kind of positive impact on Megumi, because they refused to accept him as he was. They were trying to spoil the fantasy they had of him. But the actual child had lost all control of his life, was terrified of them, and was traumatised every time he set foot on the compound.
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what i find interesting is how minth 'regrets' or carries guilt for her hand and body being used (against her will) under the absolute. she says "i remember every face and life" or something to that extent. it is important to her that we, the player, know this. she thinks about them. they weigh on her.
it's not regret in any traditional sense. minth herself says she has violent intentions - and how she was raised to respond with violence has shaped her interactions with others and the world around her. when she is violence, there is, in minth's mind, always a cause to justify it - she has been hurt, she is making a statement - or in the case of raiding (because girl has razed towns while raiding) for supplies, territory, defense et cetera. it's the regret of senseless violence, it's the regret of killing without any sort of justification for it in minth's mind other than sick bloodlust and impulse - it's the regret of losing control of her body and mind, literally, and being unable to stop it or gain control again until intervention from the prism.
minth responds to hurts and slights with violence ( and she enjoys doing so )- but she wants these things to be justified, because she cannot get the satisfaction from striking without that justification. she'll never strike without what she considers to be just cause or provocation; doubly so if it falls in line with the tenants of her oath.
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I've been thinking a lot about what might happen next, with Jet. Specifically, I've been thinking about the execution and the what and why of Sasha's plans - plans that, I assume, have been in place since she started rising through the ranks in earnest. Because she absolutely has a plan.
The obvious assumption, and the assumption that Juno, Buddy, and Vespa are all making, is that the execution of the Unnatural Disaster is going to end with Jet Siquliak's death. And it could! That could be the extent of what Sasha is doing by capturing him and holding him: push drugs into his system to coax the Unnatural Disaster out so he's a prime example of the worst of what space criminal activity has to offer, put him in front of the cameras, and show the world Dark Matters' commitment to a swift and certain end that other law enforcement failed to provide. Unfortunately, as he is now, Jet is a good candidate - loud, brash, unrepentant, or so he would seem to a public who knows him better for the grandiose stories of who he was than who he's become. He's remembered specifically for the hurt he's caused, and right now he's leaning into the "monster" in him - exactly what Sasha would want for her demonstration. Dark Matters already has a reputation. Sasha could mean an end to crime in the sense that the shadow organization is no longer in the shadows, an intimidation tactic that she can follow through on.
I could be making more of it than it is, but that feels too simple. Buddy talked to Juno about his ability to empathize, to understand - according to her, that's where his skill as a detective comes from. So if Juno still doesn't fully understand what Sasha is going for, and his assumption based on the information he has now is execution = death, maybe there's more to it than what it looks like. Maybe execution isn't death, but Sasha's own version of rehabilitation.
After all, she picked Palomine Aurinko's prison for this demonstration. He was known for shaping people into what he wanted them to be - he was also known for experiments that fell outside of what Dark Matters asked of him, and while previous Dark Matters directors weren't interested in those results there's nothing to say that his research wasn't kept by the organization, somewhere. Prisoners are kept in separate locations, two entirely different prison systems with completely different methods and presumably different end goals. Something I've found telling from the beginning, too, is that the "Unnatural Disaster" was going to be executed - not "Jet Siquliak" - even though that name is tied to the same reputation.
What if the truth is this: Sasha isn't looking for a way to kill all criminals. She can and will if she must, but that's not a long term solution to crime in the way Sasha is apparently looking for. What if, instead, she had the technology to alter the mind? Excise the problem area, remove the pieces that cause people to make bad choices - addiction, risk-taking, anger, fear? What if she replaces the parts that are hard to predict and even harder to control with something more… understandable? Logical? Is it worth the sacrifice of the extraneous, the roller coaster of highs and lows of a person's life, to put humanity on an even, stable baseline? Sasha might think so. "Sasha" might have done so already, proof of concept (and she did mention, more than once on the Carte Blanche, the sacrifices she'd made personally towards her goals), and now she's ready to remove everything dangerous and unpredictable from Jet Siquliak - everything that's the Unnatural Disaster.
Like the Theia, in concept, but more.
Maybe, if Juno had cooperated - if Juno had been who she'd predicted him to be - she would have offered him the chance first. Maybe she would have been confident that she'd know exactly what to take from him, to help him - to save him.
I don't think what's about to happen to Jet is what anyone's expecting, and I don't know what the end result will be if Sasha manages to go through with it. No matter what Jet thinks about the monster in him, that part of him is him and I can't imagine losing that part of him wouldn't meant losing everything.
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